Monday, June 20, 2016

[gita-talk] How to Get Rid of the Restlessness of the Mind? Share Your Experience

 





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ShriHari 
Please share your experience and understanding regarding  -  

HOW TO GET RID OF THE RESTLESSNESS OF THE MIND ?  

Gita Talk Moderators,  Ram Ram 

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Ram Ram 

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जिस मनकी खटपटसे मुक्ति पाना चाहते हैं उस मनको ही 'अपना' मत मानो तो हो गयी उसकी खटपटसे मुक्ति। 

This is the best answer completely according to Swamiji's teachings.  Please follow. Nothing else remains to discuss. 

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मनकी खटपटसे मुक्ति पानेका अचूक उपाय जो श्रद्धेय स्वामीजीने बताया और साधकका अनुभूत है, है : जिस मनकी खटपटसे मुक्ति पाना चाहते हैं उस मनको ही 'अपना' मत मानो तो हो गयी उसकी खटपटसे मुक्ति। 
सविनय,
साधक 

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राम राम !
जो काम यहाँ अँग्रेजीमें किया जा रहा है, काश वही काम हिन्दीमें भी किया जाता। 
सविनय,
साधक 

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summary   -  read spiritual books 

Man ki Ashanti ko kaise door Karen ..in jivan me kafi katuta bhari ho.he Lou bhi karte me safalta n mil pa rahi to ..dharmik pustaken padhne se bhi man ko shanti nahi Mile to kya Karen  

chaman nigam


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Sadhak, Pawan Kumar Singhalji, please consider first accepting, at-least momentarily, the restlessness that is being experienced. God listens to and helps those who are ready to help themselves. This is worth a try. If you can accept the restlessness for a while, few of the matters which were not visible to you due to the discomfort from restlessness, will become easily handle-able. God listens. Please prepare yourself to listen to HGis subtle Graceful response, not necessarily in words that we use. He has His own ways. Best wishes. Regards, Ram Ram. Om Shanti.  

Sanjay Jhunjhunwala 

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You are eternal even if you don't experience it. You may have fear of death. Still, you will not die. 

Same way, you are not mind and restlessness is not in you. Even if mind is restlessness, why you want to stop it if you are not mind. 

Accept it and accept the world as it is.  Give up notion that things should be this way or that way. Don't try to change the world, matter or subtle matter like mind.  Just accept the truth. 

gamittal

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Namaste,
Only desire ( I want this and that and you don't get it) your mind gets disturbed-restlessness.  Restlessness is because mind craving for something. This even saints experienced, as their desire was for god.
B.sathyanarayan


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Hari: Om:

Restlessness of the mind is due to rajasic and tamasic desires, anxieties, worries, greed, jealousy, ego problem etc. etc. These negative qualities in human beings are as a result of his/her ignorance of the Self and our true nature. To certain extend Yoga, prayer and meditation can help us to reduce these negative qualities but to get rid off them completely we have to study philosophy as taught by Sreekrishna in Bhagavad Gita and by reading and assimilating the knowledge contained in various Upanishads.The progress will be slow but steady and sure provided the Atma-bodh is applied and lived upto in our day-to-day life.
Mohanair

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Our Vedanta philosophy says that the source of restlessness of the Mind are i) Selfishness, ii) Egoism and iii) Egocentric Desires of the Mind for sensuality and materialism. The spiritual practices of Karma Yoga (Path of Action), Bhakthi Yoga (Path of Devotion) and Gnana Yoga (Path of knowledge) are prescribed in proper proportions with respect to the fundamental composition of the personality or basic nature of the individual. Just because one takes to spirituality doesn't mean that he or she can meditate peacefully from the next minute. Just as we need practice to play a game professionally or play a musical instrument well, we need spiritual practice to prepare our personality for meditation or getting rid of restlessness of the Mind.

Prasanna

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Hari om, please visit the website prjnanamission.org.Paramahamasa prajnanananda ji maharaj from orissa is a living kriya yoga teacher.I accepeted him as my Guru. Please visist the website and things will be clear on your way. Jai guru Bandana



Hello there,

Try "thinking divine, 24/7" for controlling your restless mind.

Bye!
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|| Shri Hari ||
21st May, 2016, Saturday      
Vaishaak Purnima  Vikram Samvat 2073, Shanivar

How to Get Rid of the Restlessness of the Mind?

A question has come up that how to get rid of the restlessness (lack of peace, disturbances, agitation) in the mind?
It is a very easy point.    We know about the restlessness of the mind.  Therefore, the thing that is known, seen by us, is not our Self (swaroop).  If I saw the building,  then, did I become the building?  I saw a stone, then, did I become the stone?   That which is seen is separate, and the seer is separate.  There is no doubt about this.  It is you, who has knowledge and awareness of the restlessness of the mind.  You are the one to see the restlessness.   Is there any doubt about this?  We see the agitation and the agitation is the kind that is seen, then what is the interference?  We saw a stone, now if it gets heated, then what difference does it make to us,  and if it gets cold, then what difference does it make?
This mental resolution that may this restlessness, this agitation go away, is the reason for this agitation.  It is due to this resolve that a relationship continues with the disturbances.   If you resolve that let there be no disturbances in my mind, then be assured that there will most certainly be disturbances.  Therefore server the relationship with the mind.  Really speaking, there is no relationship with the mind.  It is only an assumed relationship.  You have presumed the mind to be yours.  The disturbances come and they go,  resolves come and then they go away, but you remain as-is, In this there is no doubt.   Then whether these go away  or not,  you simply leave them.  Do not blend with them,  do not become pleased or displeased.     Just as when the sun beats down hard, and in the heat, the mind instinctively directs you to move to a shady spot.   But you do not criticize the sunshine or feel pleased with the shade.    We are neither to condemn anyone, nor praise anyone, this is very important for a sadhak (spiritual aspirant).


From book in Hindi 'Jeevan ka Satya' by Swami Ramsukhdasji  

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[gita-talk] What is the hidden message in these words - Eyes cannot be seen with the Eyes.

 


Swamiji says :   As long as man sees something exceptional in themselves,  as compared to others,  till then he can be a 'sadhak'  (seeker, aspirant),  but he cannot be a 'siddha'  (a perfected one).  

What is hidden in this message ?   
It is Sadhak's understanding, that compared to one's self,  if they begin to see something special in others,   then he is 'perfected one' (siddha).   
Perfected one can  only he one that whatever he sees,  he sees something exceptional in it.  The Self can be known by the Self,   but the Self cannot be seen by the Self.  Only the other is seen.  

Swamiji has also said:   Eyes (the power to see) cannot be seen by the eyes.  What is the truth ?   

Humbly,  
Sadhak
बातमें छिपी बात क्या है?
स्वामीजीने कहा है : जबतक मनुष्यको दूसरेकी अपेक्षा अपनेमें विशेषता दीखती है, तबतक वह साधक तो हो सकता है, पर सिद्ध नहीं हो सकता। 
इस बातमें छिपी बात क्या है? 
साधककी समझमें यह आयी है कि जब मनुष्यको स्वयंकी अपेक्षा दूसरोंमें विशेषता दीखने लगती है, वह सिद्ध होने लगता है। 
सिद्ध वही हो सकता है जिसको जो भी वह देखता है उसमें विशेषता दीखती है। 
स्वयंको स्वयंसे जाना तो जा सकता है किन्तु स्वयंको स्वयंसे देखा नहीं जा सकता। देखा तो दूसरेको ही जाता है। 
स्वामीजीने भी कहा है : आँख (देखनेकी शक्ति) को आँखसे नहीं देखा जा सकता। 
सच क्या है?
सविनय,
साधक 

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[gita-talk] PLEASE GUIDE ME - regarding GURU

 



Please Guide Me

Friends, Pranaam !  I am in search of a sadguru that is alive,  and is like Swami Ramsukhdasji.  If you are aware of such a Guru, then please guide me.  I will be most grateful

HINDI
मार्गदर्शन करें

मित्रों प्रणाम मुझे आदरणीय रामसुखदासजी की तरह किसी जीवित सदगुरु को खोजना है अगर आप कैसे किसी को जानकारी है तो मेरा मार्गदर्शन करें आभारी बना रहूंगा

Vivek N
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ShriHari 

Namasteji,  You must read Swamiji's book in english.  It will be a good guide in your pursuit.    


or HINDI 




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Marg Geeta Ji me bataye huye mantron ka chune, aur darshan Prabu Krishna ka Kare -  marg darshan ho jayega. 

Aham Tva sarva papebhyo mokskasyami ma shucha

Take refuge in the words of Geeta Ji, and make Geeta Ji your Guru.

Sanjay Mehrotra


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ShriHari 

Guru is not the body ... Guru never dies.  If you have faith,  you will receive guidance from Swami Ramsukhdasji.   All your doubts will be cleared.   Most importantly,  Swamiji directed everyone towards God as the Jagat Guru.  So it is best if you develop a relationship with God and ask God for guidance.   

Sarita  S

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Shri Hari

This is was my question also. I asked to Swami Ram Sukh Dass Ji Maharaj to be my Guru.
Swami ji replied me in writing that his nature is not to be Guru. Your Guru is Bhagwan Shri Krishan and slok of Gita is His teachings.

I believe the above & stop thinking to make someone Guru. Guru only can teach me but I have to accept the truth.

You may read Sadhak Sanjivani, I believe it will be helpful to remove your ignorance certainly by grace of God as per slok 10(11) of Gita & you will get reply of slok 4(34) of Gita, slok 32 of chapter 3 of sakandh 11 of Shrimad Bhagwat.

Ram Ram
Pawan Kumar Singhal

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Hari: Om, Namasthe:

A Guru is not a must, but in this case to achieve self realization the urge in you must be so burning and your efforts must equally sincere. The Guru can supply a clear vision of what is involved, a glimpse of the goal to be achieved and logical arguments to convince the student of the blessedness and perfection of both the goal and the path, but each one must walk the path by himself and reach the goal. 

Mohanair

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Dear Sadhakas,
Hare Krishna.

This is in response to a question from a fellow Sadhaka regarding Guru for spiritual advancement.

In this Kali Yuga, the most practical way for spiritual advancement is " Chanting of the Holy Names."

In Bruhad Naradiya Purana it is mentioned,
" Harer Nama Hare Nama Harer Namaiva kevalam.
  Kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha."

which means
' In this age of Kali, the only means of deliverance is the chanting of the Holy Name, the chanting of the Holy Name, and the chanting of the Holy Name. There is no other way, no other way and no other way."

Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita,

" Man mana bhava mad bhakto,
 Madyaji mam namaskuru,
Mamevaishyasi yuktvaivam atmanam matparayanaha."
    ( Gitaji, 9, 34).

which means,

' Concentrate your mind on Me, worship Me with devotion, offer your namaskarams to me. If you take shelter in Me like that, then you will achieve Me."

Joining SATSANG ( Association of devotees) is important. Also studying of the Holy Scripture, BHAGAVAD GITA is very essential. Bhagavad Gita, also known as Gitopanishad  is the essence of all Vedas.

Once we are into devotional service and also into studying of the Holy Scripture, then Lord Krishna will show us the right GURU. Let us remember that Lord Krishna is the Supreme Guru.

Thank You.

Prasad A.Iragavarapu, MD

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Dear

All SadGurus are always alive. You have to change your attitude and criteria of life to find & feel them alive.

Om Guru.

dc misra

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You want  aGuru who is alive. Do you know or believe that Parama Atma is alive to all being sof his cretion at all times. He is the only Guru that will be alive anytime. Keep that Guru in mind an dheart Do what you have to do without fear, as thi sguru tells you do your job, Karmani eva adhikaar aste . Do not bother about kshanika and changing things like caste. Be of service to fellow beings. That is what thi guru will tell you. Rest is your job. Be happy an dmake others happy
krishna

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श्री Vivek N के प्रति :
आप 'जीवित' सद्गुरु की कल्पना करके जिस 'मल-मूत्र बनानेवाली मशीन' (भौतिक शरीर) को खोज रहे हैं, महान गलती कर रहे हैं। यदि वह (भौतिक शरीर) मिल भी गया तो जिस दिन प्राण उससे विदा होने क्या आप अपने उस 'तथाकथित' सद्गुरुको जलायेंगे, या मिट्टीमें गाड़ेंगे या पशु-पक्षियोंको खिलायेंगे? बताइयेगा। 

भैया, गुरु (आपका अपना विवेक) न जन्मता है और न ही मरता है।  अपने अंदर सोये विवेकका आदर कीजिये। 

भौतिक शरीरका नाम विवेक होनेसे कोई विवेकशील नहीं हो जाता।

श्रद्धेय स्वामीजीका भौतिक शरीर अब नहीं रहा तो क्या वे भी नहीं रहे? यदि इस समय वे 'जीवित' नहीं हैं तो इस मंचमें 28,000 साधक क्या शून्यमें सरकसी कलाबाजी कर रहे हैं?

सविनय,
साधक  

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First Guru is Brahma- our supreme Father
Perfect Guru is divine Nature Prakrti
Our immediate Guru is our Soul which contains all the knowledge of Vedas
Our next Guru is divine guidance contained in Vedas- Accept Vedas as Guru
Accept human being as Guru who guides on the divine guidance contained in Vedas

Do not accept any human GURU who thrives on donations/material benefits and who does not strongly 
oppose corruption and corrupt practices

Regards
Prem Sabhlok.

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जिस दिन आपको वैसा गुरु (जैसा कि आप खोज रहे हैं) मिल जाय, 
साधकको (इस मंचके माध्यमसे) अवश्य बताइयेगा।
 
जब तक आप स्वयं नहीं स्वीकार करते कि जिसकी आप खोज कर 
रहे हैं वह अनादि कालसे आपमें ही है (गीता ने इस ओर इशारा भी 
किया है, यह बताकर कि आप ही अपने मित्र हैं और आप ही अपने 
शत्रु हैं, कोई दूसरा नहीं), बाहर आप चाहे जितनी खोज कर लें आप 
रीते ही रहेंगे क्योंकि बाहर वह है ही नहीं। 

सत्य कटु होता है पर कहा ही जाता है। तनिक विचार कीजिये :
इस मंचमें लगभग 28,000 साधक हैं जो श्रद्धेय स्वामीजीको मानते हैं 
तो क्या मानते हैं? क्या उन्हें 'गुरु' (जो उन्हें असतके अंधकारसे सतके 
प्रकाशमें ले गया) स्वीकार करते हैं? स्वयं ही सोचें : क्या हमने असत 
का त्याग कर दिया है? क्या भोग और संग्रहसे हम मुक्त हैं? क्या हम 
हर क्षण मानव-जीवनके एकमात्र उद्देश्यके प्रति जागरूक रहते हैं?
ऐसे और भी अनेक प्रश्न हैं। 
यदि इन प्रश्नों में से एक का भी उत्तर ''नहीं''में है तो हमने केवल कहने
के लिये ही स्वामीजीको ''गुरु'' माना, वास्तवमें स्वीकार नहीं किया। 

जिस दिन संसारमें अपने मनका (जैसा आप चाहते हैं) गुरु खोज-खोज
कर थक जायेंगे और बाहर खोजना बंद हो जायगा उसी क्षण अनुभव 
होगा कि ''अटक'' तो अपने अंदर ही थी जो गुरु मिलनेमें रोक रही थी। 
जानते हैं वह अटक क्या है? वह अटक है - सुनना या/और पढ़ना सबकी 
किन्तु मन, वाणी और इंद्रियोंसे करना केवल 'अपने' मनकी। 

श्रद्धेय स्वामीजीने कहा है : 'यह हो जाय और यह नहीं हो', इसको ही 
छोड़ना है। छोड़कर देखिये तो सही। यह मत सोचिये कि 'गुरु' छुड़ा 
देगा। छोड़नी तो आपको ही होगी। फिर पता लगेगा कि परमात्माकी 
व्यवस्थामें अनगिनत 'गुरु' आपके आस-पास ही हैं जैसे दत्तात्रेयजी ने 
उनमेंसे चौबीस सबको बता भी दिये लेकिन वे तब ही काम करेंगे जब 
'अपने मनकी हो जाय' छोड़ देंगे इसके पहले होगी ही नहीं। 
अस्तु। 
सविनय,
साधक   

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Dear Sir, 
If you can devote yourself to the tehlivig god, who is the meeting of the pole, star sun and the moon, you may not need a human Guru. You can read the rest from human Gurus to guide you. How can we get someone like Rama sukhadevji now?
Hari Malla

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Namaste
Just Seek whole heartedly. When YOU are ready your guru will come. 
You can read Autobiography of a Yogi By Paramhans Yogananda. 
May you be successful in your quest in this life only. 
 
Shobha Mathur 

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Vivek ji, greetings and good wishes. 

Please mention place of your living (city and locality) for me to suggested.

Wish you the best. Regards, Om Shanti.

Sanjay Jhunjhunwala

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Dear Sadhak...
The Ishwara is All pervading Self.in the Age of Kali Sadguru is a Rare  occurrence.. so difficult to find..my sincere advice is Read 
1.the syntheses of Yoga by Sri Aurobino..
2.pantjalYog Pardip gita press..
You will find All your answers and also the True Sadguru...
Parnaam
Sitaram..ramram
Sincerely
Kuldip suri..

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Dear Sadaks,

Dear Sadaks,
One more suggestion. Daily saying, "Omkaram Bindu Samyuktham...." sloka will guide you to SAT Guru. Sri Adi Sankara clearly said in Vivekachudamamani definition on Sat Guru. It is a Guru will have only 3 cloths, never has Ashram and stays more than 5 days etc. So such Guru can come by the sloka meditating daily.
B.Sathyanarayan 


There is one person in Tirumala hills- Thirupathi close to Sri Venkatesawara temple. He is 97 years old and he was Bar at Law in London and Leading lawyer in Chennai High Court only for few months, renounced and gave away his huge property renounced. Normally he does not entertain anyone. He is well respected by highest officers in TTD Board. If Sri Vivek let know what he is looking for and his age, may be I can help. There is one more sant in eastern hill range called Kolli Hills (This place can be seen in site). He wares single bit of cloth to cover his hip area and rarely appears to passer by. He knows a person mind by just looking at him/her. I met him only once. He asked me "what I am looking for on this earth". I said, "I want to escape from coming again to this earth". He said you will succeed, smiled and in a minute he was on another hill.
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