Tuesday, May 17, 2016

[gita-talk] What is the concept of Geetha - to reply in 10 lines or less

 




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Question No:1 What is the concept of Geetha - to reply in 10 lines or less.

BS


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1) Do your duty without desiring for extra benifits
2) From desire only all problems. 3) Do not show attachments in performing you dharma.
4) Surrender to god and let go fear.
5) You are bhraman and no one can enlighten you.
6) "You have to realise yourself and no one can do" says sri krishna
7) Dharma will be protected by taking AVSTHAR.
8) You are not the body.
9) Karma- manusa, kayaka, prarabdha affects even Gods and due to karma we come to this earth.

10th point of geetha I wish to add. SAMADHARASHANAM


Sadaks want citations for all the the above- ask.
B.sathyanarayan




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ShriHari 

Sharanagati is the central theme of the Gita. He who renouncing dependence on duties, takes refuge in God only, with exclusive devotion, is liberated from all sins by God.  The entire creation is nothing but a manifestation of God. God alone puts on the manifestation of the whole phenomenon. Everyone is eligible for God Realization. A devotee who with utmost faith fixes his mind on God, is most dear to God. If man become's God's then he will be most dear to God. There is only ONE divinity (Paramatma tattva) that is worth knowing, and the knower of That becomes inseparable from that Paramatma tattva. One who goes beyond the modes, attains Godliness. One can go beyond the modes of nature, through exclusive devotion. According to the taste, caliber and faith of a human being, three means i.e. the discipline of action, of knowledge, and of devotion (refuge) have been mentioned for God Realization. Each of them can lead him to God Realization.  

Sarita S

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Shri Hari

Know your necessity.You are part of God so your necessity is not the world but God.
You are feeling always some shortage in your mind that shortage can not be fulfilled by world.
Shortage feeling can be filled by realisation of God because God realisation is necessity.

What to do or not to do is main question of Arjun before Lord Krishna in Bhagwat Gita.
Arjuna seek knowledge to remove ignorance of attachment.

Concept of Gita is do your duty without any expectation and surrender before God for realisation of God. God is also doing his duty in favour of his disciples.

Main object of Gita is God realisation by evenness of mind. God realisation can be achieved only by mercy of God. I explained my views only because I actually do not know exactly what is concept of Gita. Only God knows actual concept of Gita.

Ram Ram
Pawan Kumar Singhal


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Respected Sadhaks,

GITA that is given by our GODHEAD paramatma has no parallel.   Herein Paramatma told that getting  human birth is to pursue spiritualism and to rid themselves off from birth and death.  GODHead also clearly stated that  HE is 100% made of SOUL and he is omnipresent.   HE has clearly stated the constitutional position of GOD.  Nobody  can become God.  At the most they can become messenger to GOD.  GITA clearly states how people can develop Krishna consciousness.  It also speaks about the responsibility delegation something similar to Management.   It also states that the previous births of everything is known only to the great GODHEAD Paramatma.

with namaskaram
S.Vaidyanathan 


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Gita 18: 73 
Nashto moha smritir labdha tvat prsadan mayacyuta 
Gita dispels the delusion of I and mine . It teaches that God is in every being hence service to man animals etc is service to God . 
We can attain the same result as jnana or Bhakti through selfless action . Work therefore yields the same result as worship. 
Gita destroys the bondage of action. Karmabandhan prahaasyasi. 

madan  jagdeo

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The original Bhagavad Geeta written by Maharishi Veda Vyasa is one chapter of Mahabharta. The original Bhagavad Geeta had only one concept "Perform your noble and divine Varna duty selflessly without any attachment".  Later some learned people added a number of chapters and included some additional concepts not related to divine Varna duties. Original Geetha strictly conforms to Vedic Brahmjnan and some later chapters are non Vedic.

By not performing our divine Varna duties, last about 2000 years we are drifting away from Vedas and Geetha and became slaves to non Vedic dreaded materialists Charvakas, Muslims, Brutish and even now to non Vedic rudderless Socialism and confused Secularism. Every one is teaching Bhagavad Geeta. but not its original Vedic concept. Our independence has not given us Vedic Freedom, Swaraj, Scientific temper, equality of divine human beings of all followers of Chatvar Varnasharm. Non divine Avarnas, Vritras, marplots, fake gurus spreading pious forgeries have over taken non Vedic activities. 
Revive original concept of Geetha and attain Freedom, Swaraj and arrest pious forgeries now spreading like wild fire. 
 
  

Regards
Prem Sabhlok 

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Thank you for this morning wisdom
 
Loving and accepting ourselves opens the door to truth and loving all and everyone; in every circumstance
 
Baman K Mehta

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Question is not purely in English as it contains the word Geetha (Gita) which is Sanskrit (Hindi) word so insistence of replies to be in ENGLISH ONLY is not justified.
Sadhak 

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avier William जी के प्रति सविनय प्रस्तुत 
1) Do your duty without desiring for extra benifits
​So we should not ask for bonuses, DA and other allowances?​
आपकी इच्छा नहीं तो don't ask for bonuses, DA etc. कोई जबरदस्ती नहीं है। 
 

2) From desire only all problems.
​Is there a life without problems and desires?​
बतानेपर आप मानेंगे नहीं तो पूछनेमें समय लगानेकी अपेक्षा स्वयं खोजिये। जान जायेंगे। 
 

3) Do not show attachments in performing your dharma.
​Define Dharma!​
सरल शब्दोंमें 'जो आप स्वयंके प्रति नहीं चाहते, उसे दूसरेके प्रति न करना' ही धर्म है। 
 


4) Surrender to god and let go fear.
​Fear is the key to life. Nothing can live without fear.​
जिसे आप fear कह रहे हैं वही तो शरणागतिकी दिशामें पहला कदम है। 
 
​Even religion including the​ Vedic one is born of fear of god or some supernatural things
इस fear of God के परे (beyond) झाँकनेकी कोशिश कीजिये, आपका प्रत्यय (concept) बदल जायगा। 


5) You are bhraman and no one can enlighten you.
​Define Brahman!​
इसे शब्दोंमें परिभाषित नहीं किया जा सकता। 
 


6) "You have to realise yourself and no one can do" says sri krishna
​Why should we obey Krishna or Jesus blindly?​
आप नहीं चाहते तो obey मत कीजिये। 
 


7) Dharma will be protected by taking AVATHAR.
​They have been saying this for 5000 years and they are still saying this which means they have not been able to protect it after all these 5000 years.​
यदि protect नहीं कर पाये तो आज आप किसके बारेमें बात कर रहे हैं? बताइयेगा। 
 


8) You are not the body.
​What am I?​
आप क्या हैं, यह कोई दूसरा बतायेगा तो कभी समझमें नहीं आयेगा। इसे तो आप स्वयं ही स्वयंसे जान सकते हैं।
कैसे जान सकते हैं? यह भी आपको स्वयं खोजना होगा क्योंकि दूसरा उसे दूसरेके अनुभवसे ही बतायेगा जो आपके काम शायद ही आये।  
 

9) Karma- manusa, kayaka, prarabdha affects even Gods and due to karma we come to this earth.
​Do you have any evidence for all these claims and assertions?​
आप इस समय पृथ्वीपर हैं और प्रश्नोत्तरमें लिप्त हैं, क्या यह प्रमाण काफी नहीं?

सविनय,
साधक 

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My Respects to Sri Xavier William, My answers are in black lines. 

1) Do your duty without desiring for extra benifits So we should not ask for bonuses, DA and other allowances? 

Ans: What did Christ expect from HIS duty of his teachings? (Not Preaching) But killed on cross. If one does his duty perfectly and profitably, it is the duty of the Boss to give bonus, DA etc. Failure of Boss, the employer option to shift his job elsewhere. Geetha concept is not to mentally strain for Bonus, DA. Mental strain is costlier than money. 

2) From desire only all problems. Is there a life without problems and desires? Ans: Definitely there is NO life without problem. Christ faced many problems. HE had chased people sleeping in Church. Moses had problem in taking people across sea. (By opening sea). Animals have desire. But they don't kill other animals to save food for next day. Desire is natural. Having love with wife is desire. But trying love neighbour wife is Lust- One of the commandment. Duryodhana desire to acquire the kingdom in many many illegal ways from his childhood. Pancha Pandavas had desire to acquire their share of kingdom. That is acceptable. To desire to have good house is accepted in Sastras. (Holy Scriptures) But desire to have house that can make neighbours envy is Egoism leading to unwanted problems like cheft/ murder etc. 

3) Do not show attachments in performing your dharma. Define Dharma! Ans: Dharma is acceptance by universal conscience. Examples:- A minister does his duty to an extent that all people praise him. Like 1st President of America, like Gandhi. There was king in India (Not long ago) who ordered to kill his son by running chariot over his son, because his son drove chariot recklessly by killing calf. Another king who cut his wife`s hand since she took the flowers offered to GOD and smelled it as the flowers were not heir's. Christ defended a prostitute from being stoned to death, by asking people who were there to stone her, "Those who are not committed single sin may stone this lady". Christ embraced a person `A` who gave one silver coin as charity, but did not even praise a person `B' who gave 100 silver coins. `A` had only one single coin and whereas `B` had thousands of silver coins. `A` gave away the only coin with love. Dharma. Duryodhan was warned many many times over a period of 40 years not to indulge in greediness. He failed, so Dharma had to established to save Justice by punishing Duryodhan family. Bheeshama failed to object raping of Drowpati- Adharma. Dharma took it`s role to kill him. Karna and others stabled Arjuna`s son from behind- Adharma. Dharma took it`s role to kill him. So 1000`s of instances. Chirst was killed by Adharma. So HE rose from death- Dharma. There are few other like this in India. In simple terms cheating by act, by mind, is Adharma. Dharma is to return anything that is not one`s own. Woodcutter and the angel. Woodcutter when offered Golden axe, Silver Axe, "He said it is not mine". But when steel axe was given, he said that is his. That which is not yours claiming is Adharma and that which yours only claiming is Dharma. There is a script known as, " Yaksha Prashna" and " Prayachitha Dharma. One can know more from that. 

4) Surrender to god and let go fear. Fear is the key to life. Nothing can live without fear. Ans: Animals and humans have fear. Here the fear that what may happen, if surrendered to GOD, HE gives you an SMS how to solve it. But if you rack your mind, it leads to blood pressure, diabetics, wrong ideas to do wrong things. New born child has NO fear. But as it grows the fear is instinct. To get out of fear one is blessed with 6th sense to think. Even religion including the Vedic one is born of fear of god or some supernatural things Ans: Ask Christian who is GOD? Ask Hindu who is GOD? Ask Muslim who is GOD? GOD is common name. All will say GOD is almighty, omnipresent. Therefore birth is not based on religion. Birth is purely based on one`s own desire. Ask anyone where you a day before, entering your mother womb- Did you exist or not. Mostly answer will be existed somewhere. Rebirth Christianity misunderstood, by saying NO rebirth. Father, The Holy Ghost and the son. Paramathuma (God)- Athuma- and the body. Christianity saying NO rebirth is that the body only perishes and the Athuma takes new body. So it means there is NO rebirth for Athuma. In old testament it is said the world is square. It meant chatur yogas- 4 time span of this earth to end. NOVA ARC in bible and Macha Avathar (Fish Form) of Sri Vishnu is same in bible and in Sri Vishnu Puranam. If one in his whole life time loves food eating whatever he sees without limit and loves (Desire & Karmas ) in indulging, his own desire puts him to birth as a pig to fulfil that, as said by Sri Adi Sankara. Jada Bharath raring a deer gave him birth as a dear, due to desire. Sri Vaikuntam Door keepers desire to be born as enemies to Sri Vishnu, they were born so. Desire. 

5) You are bhraman and no one can enlighten you. Define Brahman! Ans: Brahman is called universal conscience without any form. Human can attain that form, by which he / she can live eternally in bliss and happiness. This you can see from you tube showing that a form (Austral body) leaving a dead person. Sant Tukaram, Sant Poodhanam in 16th century left this earth in public view in flying object to abode of GOD. Recently, Pattinathar, Vemmanna, Bharmagaru, Vallalar vanished in thin air to universal conscience. So realization has to be achieved by oneself that one can become Austral body. It is not like teaching cycle driving. Guru is one tells how to handle cycle and it is you who have to practice driving. It has to be attained by oneself by knowing the occult powers that one has. IN Bagavath Geetha it is said to Arjuna that HE (Sri Krishna) cannot give mukthi as it has to attained and Mukthi is not object to be given. 

6) "You have to realise yourself and no one can do" says sri Krishna. Why should we obey Krishna or Jesus blindly? Ans: Sri Krishna and Jesus gave teachings. One need not obey forms of Sri Krishna or Jesus. But if one obeys the principles of teachings of THEM, one can become like them. Sri Krishna or Jesus never taught anything wrong. If you say at child hood, why should I say "A" for apple. You are the looser. You won`t know the letter "A" and the form of a apple. From form by knowledge one goes to formlessness. 

7) Dharma will be protected by taking AVATHAR. They have been saying this for 5000 years and they are still saying this which means they have not been able to protect it after all these 5000 years. Ans: Dharma will be protected by Kalki Avathar where all the very bad ones will be put to death. Kalki Avathar is predicted in a form- God coming on white horse with sword in his hand. White is unknown virus, horse is speed and knife is death. So unknown virus with speed will come. It is predicted to happen when man height become 3 ft and longevity 30 years, due to global changes in air, water and food getting totally corrupted. Ref: Bible and Srimath Bagavatham. 

8) You are not the body. What am I? Ans: You are separated from universal conscience (God) as Jeevathuma. Can you claim your shirt as you? You will say it is your shirt. Can you say your hand is you? You will say it is your hand. So you are NOT any object or matter on this earth. You are Non destructible formless energy. Great scientist Einstein said, I know E= MC square, but I don`t know beyond that how that works as `G` generates, `O` operates and `D` destroys- G-O-D. But Hindu scripts had cleared it saying, creation, sustenance and destruction. This process time frame is called Chatur Yugas. 1) Sathya Yuga- time frame is 17,28,000 years 2)Tretha yuga time frame is 12,96,000 years, 3) Dwapara yuga is 8,64,000 years and 4) Kaliyuga time frame is 4,32,000 years. This process of Chatur Yugas have taken place 23 times and we are in 24th time frame. The 25th time frame of this earth in which Sri Hanuman will be Brama- creation energy ( symbol of 4 headed God- representing 4 time frames of each yuga) 9) Karma- manusa, kayaka, prarabdha affects even Gods and due to karma we come to this earth. Do you have any evidence for all these claims and assertions? Ans: Christ was formless universal conscience. HE wanted humans to raise to higher level like him. So GOD sent him to this earth by predicting HIS coming on this earth. Naradha Rishi (Who can travel anywhere in universe 13 other worlds) said to Sri Vishnu, "why human are failing to be good". That desire made him to be born as Sant Puranderdoss. There are more like these. This is called Maanusha Karma. The man who betrayed Christ was Kayaka Karma. King Dasaratha killed a boy by accident in a forest where no one was witnessed. Kayaka Karma. Dasaratha had to die by Sri Rama Being separated from him- Kayaka Karma. Sri Rama killed Vaali hiding behind a tree in tretha Yuga. Sri Rama was born as Sri Krishna and Vaali was born as Jaara (Hunter) in Duvapara Yuga. So Jaara sent arrow on the feet of Sri Krishna whose Avathar ended. Siddha was disciple Sant Veera Bhramam of recent times. But when Veera Bhramam sat in Jeeva Saamadhi, Siddha wept. Veera Bhraman said to Siddha that he will become one with God in his next birth- called Bala Yogi. This Bala Yogi was born after years in Andra Pradesh and his disappearance was filmed by Britishers. The video is with me. By the accounts of these 3 types of Karmas, you are destined to be born to the place, to the parents and your character and habits. For example, if I know your star, I can tell your details. 


B.Sathyanarayan

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1) Do your duty without desiring for extra benifits
​So we should not ask for bonuses, DA and other allowances?​
 

2) From desire only all problems.
​Is there a life without problems and desires?​
 

3) Do not show attachments in performing your dharma.
​Define Dharma!​
 


4) Surrender to god and let go fear.
​Fear is the key to life. Nothing can live without fear.​
 
​Even religion including the​ Vedic one is born of fear of god or some supernatural things


5) You are bhraman and no one can enlighten you.
​Define Brahman!​
 


6) "You have to realise yourself and no one can do" says sri krishna
​Why should we obey Krishna or Jesus blindly?​
 


7) Dharma will be protected by taking AVATHAR.
​They have been saying this for 5000 years and they are still saying this which means they have not been able to protect it after all these 5000 years.​
 


8) You are not the body.
​What am I?​
 

9) Karma- manusa, kayaka, prarabdha affects even Gods and due to karma we come to this earth.
​Do you have any evidence for all these claims and assertions?​
 




Xavier William


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कुलदीप भैयासे समझना है :
Concept of  Geetha:
 1. Get your legitimate right first peacefully and if needed use any other means even foul ones!
अधिकार भी क्या legitimate और illegitimate होता है? अधिकार तो बस अधिकार (गीता 2 : 47 में legitimate नहीं कहा गया) होता है या फिर नहीं होता है। 

 2. You are eternal so bother if your physical body is perished, you would any number as you desire before leaving current one!
जब सृष्टिमें लेशमात्र भी मेरा कुछ नहीं है (स्वामीजीने बताया है) तो यह physical body अपनी कैसे?

3.  Control of your mind is solution for everything!
मनको अपना मानना ही मन द्वारा नियंत्रित होना है फिर उसे नियंत्रित करनेका स्वप्न देखना भूल है। 

4.  One in many and many in one is Ishwara, Lord Krishna, you, me or anyone and everything is Ishwara only!
जब एक ईश्वर ही सब कुछ है (everything is Ishwara only) तो सब कुछ रहा ही कहाँ?

5. That  Ishwara is beyond all dual-ties and properties (Gunas)  
ईश्वर जिसे कहा गया है उसे वर्णनातीत कहा है फिर उसके बारेमें beyond all dual-ties and properties कैसे जाना?
यह केवल मानी हुई बात है जानी हुई नहीं। स्वामीजीने कहा है 'उसे' हम मान ही सकते हैं, जान नहीं सकते। 

6. Your acceptance as  doer of action is bound make you get reaction but feel action is done as per nature of Ishwara, you would not be bound by reaction of action!
पहले यह तो पता लगे कि जिसे you कहा है वह है कौन? स्पष्ट नहीं हुआ। 

7. Item 6. would turn to Ishwara swarupa!
वर्णनातीतका स्वरूप किसने जाना जो समझे कि अब (कोई) ईश्वर स्वरूप हुआ?

कथन कहना तभी सार्थक माना जाय जब सुननेवाला (या पढ़नेवाला) उसे उसी अर्थमें समझ ले जिस अर्थमें वह कहा गया। 

सविनय,
साधक 

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Concept of  Geetha:
 1. Get your legitimate right first peacefully and if needed use any other means        even foul ones!

 2. You are eternal so bother if your physical body is perished, you would any          number as you desire before leaving current one!

3.  Control of your mind is solution for everything!

4.  One in many and many in one is Ishwara, Lord Krishna, you, me or anyone        and everything is Ishwara only!

5. That  Ishwara is beyond all dual-ties and properties (Gunas)

6. Your acceptance as  doer of action is bound make you get reaction but feel         action is done as per nature of Ishwara, you would not be bound by                     reaction of action!

7. Item 6. would turn to Ishwara swarupa!

Kuldeep K. Kaul



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