Sunday, November 1, 2015

[gita-talk] How is one to realize God in this birth itself, when Gita 7/19 says after many births in the last of all births.

 



Shree Hari   

प्रश्न‒बहुत जन्मोंके अन्तमें 'सब कुछ वासुदेव ही है'‒ऐसा ज्ञान होता है (७ । १९), तो फिर इसी जन्ममें मनुष्य भगवत्प्राप्ति कैसे कर सकता है ?

Question: After many births, in the very last of all births when a 'jnaani (man of wisdom) realizes 'All is only Vasudeva (God) - Gita 7/19, then in this very birth itself, how is one to realize God ?

Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Hari SharaNam, Beautiful line "be serious and consider / believe this birth to be the last birth only" by Sri VyasJi.
Niteesh Dubey

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बड़े भैया, आपका कथन Your present human birth is the end of all births पचा नहीं। 
आपने तो सभी (वर्तमान present) मनुष्योंका अंतिम जन्म (आगे अब उनका जन्म नहीं होगा) बता दिया जो साधककी समझसे परे रहा। 
सविनय,
साधक 

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Read Sadhan Sudha Sindhu. There are many chapters in that book which explain this concept.

g a mittal

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Hari SharaNam,

The word "after many births"  ( as BAHUNAAM JANMANAAMANTE – 7/19, ANEK JANM SANSIDDHA – 6/45) does not indicate that it takes many births to realize the TRUTH.  Here, it is only glorifying the value of realization which we have been trying to attain for many births and we could realize it any moment in this life only.  The words YADAA (whenever) / TADAA (then only) as in "PRAJAHAATI YADAA KAAMAAN -2/54, YADAA VINIYATAM CHITTAM – 6/18, YADAA BHUT PRITHAKBHAAVAM – 13/30, ..." do indicate that the ETERNAL TRUTH could be realized any moment. Also, the time can not put any restriction on realization of the TRUTH which always exists and is beyond the concept of time.

May All be blessed!
Niteesh Dubey 

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जब तक परमात्मतत्त्वसे साक्षात्कार नहीं हुआ है, तब तक के बहुत जन्मोंके अंतमें जब किसी जन्ममें (न कि केवल मनुष्य-जन्ममें ही) परमात्मतत्त्वसे साक्षात्कार होता है (अर्थात 'सब कुछ परमात्मतत्त्व ही है' इसे जान लेता है) तब ही उस जन्मको अंतिम जन्म कहकर यह बताया है कि ऐसा अंतिम जन्म पाने वाला 'महात्मा' बहुत दुर्लभ है। 
साधककी समझमें यही बात है। 
सविनय,
साधक
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Hari Om

That "after many births" or "at the end of many births" time is YOUR PRESENT HUMAN BIRTH only. Your present human birth is the end of all births. You can be sure about the same. If you don't consider this present human birth to be the end of all births, you will have to then fall into a fresh cycle of births and deaths. So do not be over-smart, think properly and consider this birth only to be the last birth, and make it decisively to be your last birth...you can do so, if you believe so. If you try to know first hand, you will be utter failure in your endeavour. Human birth is only meant for God Realisation, and instead of believing that, if you start believing that it is not this birth the much much later, then surely it will be much much much later. 

Read commentary by Revered Swamiji Shri Ramsukhdasji Maharaj on Gita 7/19 - Sadhak Sanjeevani- and understand it more lucidly. Conclusion is - believe that this birth is the last birth for God Realisation , if you do not encash this opportunity , then you are starting a fresh cycle of births and deaths. 

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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its not possible to realize god in Kalyuga.
By means of  japa and kirtan in Kalyuga, one can atmost get free from material attachment, but not necessarily get to self/god realization.
Like a lazy tamsic person can wake up from sleep for sure, but cant become success like a saatvic person until he imbibe saatvic qualities.
The japa and kirtan wakes us up and lead to take birth in dwapar kala.
From dwapara consciousness upgrades to take birth in tretaa.
God realization happens only after reaching stayuga (tapa).
As we are in kalyuga we can do japa and kirtan but also keep practicing (whatever little feasible) mercy, purity and austerity.
regards

r m mehta

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प्रश्न‒बहुत जन्मोंके अन्तमें 'सब कुछ वासुदेव ही है'‒ऐसा ज्ञान होता है (७ । १९), तो फिर इसी जन्ममें मनुष्य भगवत्प्राप्ति कैसे कर सकता है ?

This is full of foreign urdu words, this is not what Bhagwan Krishna spoke????? please improve your language we do not want foreign language, it only downgrades our philosophy?

sarvakar vinayak
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They say this time is an illusion.

papachchi

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