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Tuesday, November 24, 2015

[gita-talk] देने-लेनेकी बात समझना कठिन है, जब सब कुछ भगवान् का ही है

 


जब सब कुछ भगवान् का ही है
जब सब कुछ भगवान् का ही है तो 7 नवंबर 2015 के सन्देशमें यह कथन : भक्त भावपूर्वक भगवान् को जो कुछ देते हैं, अर्पण करते हैं, उसको भगवान् ग्रहण करते हैं। समझना कठिन है। 
किसीके (यहाँ भक्तके) द्वारा कोई चीज देने पर उस चीजका देनेवालेसे (यहाँ भक्तसे) वियोग होता है। 
किसीके (यहाँ भगवान् के) द्वारा कोई चीज ग्रहण करनेमें उस चीजका ग्रहण करनेवालेसे (यहाँ भगवान् से) संयोग होता है। 
अन्यत्र कहा है : सृष्टिमात्रमें केश बराबर भी कोई चीज हमारी नहीं है अर्थात् हर चीजसे भक्तका नित्य वियोग है फिर पुन: किसी चीजका भक्तसे वियोग होना कैसे संभव है?
यह भी कहा है : सब कुछ, हम स्वयं भी भगवान् के ही हैं अर्थात् हर चीजका भगवान् से नित्य संयोग है फिर पुन: किसी चीजका भगवान् से संयोग होना कैसे संभव है?
यह देने-लेनेकी बात समझना कठिन है। 
कृपया समझाइयेगा। 
सविनय,
साधक

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हरि ओम

है तो सब कुछ भगवान् का पर मान तो अपना आपने रखा है या नहीं ? ख़ैर , कभी साल- दो  साल के बच्चे पर ग़ौर करें ! वह अक्सर फ़र्श पर पड़ी चीज़ें उठाकर पिता को देता है - और पिता प्रसन्न हो जाता है ! अब घर भी पिता का, चीज़ भी पिता की, बच्चा भी पिता का, लेकिन बच्चे का जो भाव होता कोई चीज़ फ़र्श से उठाकर पिता को दे देना, वह भाव पिता को प्रसन्न कर देता है - है ना ? इसी तरह सब भगवान् का है, पर जो भक्त का भाव होता है ना, वह भगवान् को प्रसन्न कर देता है । 

सविनयजी महाराज - आप कोरा माथा लगाते हैं, इसकी बजाय आप भावों पर जाइये - बुद्धि से आप कहीं नहीं पहुँचेंगे - भाव से पहुँचेंगे । 

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[gita-talk] मनुष्ययोनि साधनयोनि है, कर्मयोनि नहीं।

 



Shree Hari 



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25 अक्टूबर 2015 के सन्देशमें कहा है : मनुष्ययोनि साधनके लिये ही मिली है। यह साधनयोनि है, कर्मयोनि नहीं। 
जबकि गीता मनुष्यको कर्म करनेका ही अधिकार होनेकी बात कहती है। 
वैसे भी एक 'चुप साधन' को छोड़ दें तो अन्य सभी साधन कुछ न कुछ करनेसे ही सम्बद्ध हैं।  
क्या यहाँ भी कोई मुद्रण-त्रुटि हुई है? मनुष्ययोनिको 'कर्मयोनि नहीं' क्यों बताया गया है?
सविनय,
साधक

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हरि शरणम् !
कर्मप्रधान मनुष्य-योनि को कर्म-योनि कहा जा सकता है और सामान्यतया कहा भी जाता है | चूकि कोई भी कर्म बिना उद्देश्य / साध्य  का नहीं होता है, इसलिये उद्देश्य / साध्य  की प्रधानता को देखते हुए इसे साधन-योनि कहना ही बेहतर होगा | 

बडे भाग्य मानुष तन पावा | सुर दुर्लभ सब ग्रन्थनि गावा ||
साधन धाम मोक्ष कर द्वारा | पाइ न जेहि परलोक संवारा ||
सो परत्र दुख पावइ सिर धुनि धुनि पछिताइ | 
कालहि कर्महि ईश्वरहि मिथ्या दोष लगाइ || (मानस / उत्तर काण्ड / 43)

नर तन सम नहिं कवनिउ देही | जीव चराचर जाचत तेही ||
नरक स्वर्ग अपवर्ग निसेनी | ज्ञान विराग भगति शुभ देनी || (मानस / उत्तर काण्ड / 121 /.. )

सप्रेम !
नीतीश दूबे

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Thursday, November 19, 2015

[gita-talk] Clarification - If God is Unthinkable, how can He be meditated upon and vice versa?

 




Shree Hari 
परमात्मा अचिन्त्य है‒'अचिन्त्यम्', उसका जो चिन्तन (स्मरण) करता है‒'अनुस्मरेत्' (८ । ९), तो जो अचिन्त्य है, उसका चिन्तन कैसे ? और जिसका चिन्तन होता है, वह अचिन्त्य कैसे ?
God is 'Achintyam' (unthinkable),  but Lord says to 'anusmaret' to meditate (to think, remember, contemplate) on Him.  (Gita 8/9).  How to meditate on, (to think of)  the Unthinkable ?  And that which one can meditate, think, contemplate  on,  How is He unthinkable ?  
Gita Talk Moderators,  Ram Ram
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सुश्री कृष्णजी समुद्रला! आपने एक अद्भुत concept (तत्त्व) दिया कि परमात्मा तत्त्वत: तत्त्व (concept) है, न कि कोई शरीर। शेताश्वतर उपनिषद् में इसको स्पष्ट किया गया है। 
साधक आपको नमन करता है। 
श्री B Sathyanarayan जी! 
संत जयदेवका चोरोंके प्रति किया गया व्यवहार आज कोई करे तो उसे क्या कहेंगे? 
सिद्धेश्वररकी भाँति कोई पहाड़ीसे सागरमें कूद जाये तो उसे क्या कहेंगे?
आजके समयमें इनकी प्रासंगिकता वैसी नहीं रही जैसी कभी थी। 
सविनय,
साधक
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Hari SharaNam !
The shloka 8/8 says that the Supreme can be attained by [always] meditating on him ( अनुचिन्तयन् ). Similarly, the shloka 8/9 says that the Supreme can be attained by [always] remembering him ( अनुस्मरेत् ). The same shloka (i.e. 8/9) says that his form (i.e. रुपम्) can not be caught completely even by the meditating/contemplating mind (i.e. चित्त)  (अचिन्त्य रुपम् ).  Since the meditation / contemplation (i.e. चिन्तन ) and remembering (i.e. स्मरण)  are saadhanas/efforts to follow (i.e. अनु ) the Supreme/TRUTH though its form can not be caught completely by the meditative mind, these saadhanaas (because of its association with the Supreme) of are also correct.  In other words, there is no contradiction.

May All be blessed!
Niteesh Dubey
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Dear Sadaks,
GOD said in upanashids as Apprameyam. i.e cannot be seen with our sense organs. Annatham- Omnipresent. So think of GOD that he is filled everywhere, and do only good deeds and do not abuse anyone anything, live totally dharmic life. This is contemplating on GOD. Ex: Sant Jaidev saw 2 thieves (who harmed him) as Adithi Devo Bava (as his guests) and gave gold and silver.Tukaram was beaten by a man for NO fault. Tukaram said it is all Vital game. Sideswarar tried to concentrate on Bhagavan Shiva. When NO results, he jumped off a cliff. But Bhagan Shiva caught him falling and raised him to ground.Surrender to unknown became known to Sideswarar and his temple stands as proof in Sholapur.
B.Sathyanarayan
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          Dear Sadhak,
          Yes परमात्मा is unthinkable so you find impossible to meditate on him. But you have your soul (or जीवात्मा) that is अंश of परमात्मा and also not visible from outside. So meditate on the Soul or Divinity within you. The meditation will reach परमात्मा without any special efforts.
         With regards,
         ------Mukund Apte

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Is the questioner referring to 8.9 of Gita.  Kavim Puraanam anusaasitaaram ANoh Aneeyam AnusmaredyaH, Sarvasya daataaram Achintya Roopam. 
Firstly, Parama atma is a concept or Tattva. It has no particular shape or body Hence it can be seen in any body or for those who canbnot see in every particle even in the smallest particle (Anoh aneeya) he cannot be "seen". Because PA is concept or Tattva he can be only thought of or thought of by a versy disciplined Mana. This is the implication of Anusmaredya.
As PA is capable of taking any shape we cannot think of a particular shape or form s his. This is Achintya Roopam. As It is achintya roopam (not unthinkable but un envisagable), It has to be perceived only by disciplined samayama thought or Mana.
Achintya roopa is also reflected in Svetasvatara Upanishat (4.19) Na pratimo asti. THus Upanishat is not in favor of worshipping PA as an Idol or Murti. It is right to say PA is in the Murty, but believing that Murty is PA is wrong
Krish Samudrala
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साधकने जो समझा है : 'वह' अचिन्त्य है अर्थात् मन, बुद्धि आदिसे 'उस' का चिंतन नहीं किया जा सकता। स्वयंसे 'उस' का स्मरण अर्थात् (शरणागत होकर) साथ (सम्मुख) रहना, हो सकता है। 
सविनय,
साधक




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[gita-talk] Why some masters say to believe - I am God and others I am just a servant for God ?

 



Very good video.  May I ask why some master say to believe "I am God /  I am Shiva",  whereas others say to think,  "I am just a servant for God /  I am dust before God?"  Is it because if those who believe they are their desires and karma,  think they are God,  will be disillusioned because they don't even know themselves ?  

What does Swamiji say ?   

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Dear ALL,
                           Namaskar!

 It is an Absolute Reality that not only "I" but, all living and non living identities of universe are God only! 

To begin with, it is very much essential to understand as to what one means by God! God and all other identities materialist or, non-materialist, physical or meta-physical, living or, non-living all are describable by their properties only. For example "I", am described by my physical body, internal & external organs plus memories I carry in physical so called brain as me and mine. Now, when I die the second and third persons say I died but fact is my body is well there so confirming that I am not in reality Body which I was being considered but something else! Same way, people say, may my soul rest in peace so again logically saying I am not even soul.......similarly, I am referred as final thing Consciousness that is to say again it is my consciousness so, fact is I am not even consciousness........finally confirming that I am something which is unknown so is GOD or anything else for that matter! Thus,  Absolute Reality is ONE only ONE that is SOMETHING which gets disillusioned into infinite identities having various physical and meta physical properties as universe(s)!

Different masters speak differently to different persons depending upon their level of spirituality which exist as we notice all around. That is to say the level of their disillusioned mind which has moved their individual identities away from the Absolute Reality that ALL ARE SOMETHING AND ALSO ONE AND THE SAME which can be named GOD, DOG, PARAM-BHARM, ALLAH and ISHWER or, whatever one wants to name!  

In conclusion, therefore Masters speak differently to different persons according to their spiritual level.  It is very much correct that absolute reality is that Every one is God only as explained above but, to the level of illusion of an Individual consciousness  involving itself into, turns away from that absolute reality! Those common persons are therefore just dust only compared to identities whose mind is erased of all illusions and have become Absolute  Reality only! 

Referring Lord Krishna who said in B-Gita describing GOD as SOMETHING without any name:

INDRIYANI PARAN YAHUR, INDRIYABHAH PARMAM MANH!
MANSAS TU PARA BUDHE, YO BUDHE PARTAS TU SAH!!

Your's   Humble

(Kuldeep Kumar Kaul)

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Hari SharaNam!
Essence is non-dual (i.e. there is not two essences). Until THAT is realized by the seeker, he / she tries to cross the individuality which appears to be dividing the essence. To cross that, various methods/ techniques are suggested depending upon the level and capacity of the seeker. The "I am God" and "I am God's " are in fact subtle or subtlest thoughts for the seekers to cross the individuality and realize the oneness.
 
In the case of "I am God" approach, the thought mainly revolves around "I" which requires the seeker to make sure that "I" is pure otherwise it will be very difficult to come out of "impure I" loaded with the heaviest "God". This is the reason, various Upanishads (e.g. ShukRahsyopanishad, Mahopanishad, Muktikopanishad etc. ), dealing with such approach strictly advise the seeker to approach the realized one to make sure he/she is not caught under "impure I" loaded with the heaviest "God" and assuming he/she has realized " I am God".

The other approach (i.e. "I am God's") primarily revolves around the God where the seeker has to first understand the concept & glory of God properly and then minimize the  "I" so that individuality (i.e. impure "I") can easily be destroyed and the essence "God" is revealed in him. After this stage, there is not two ("TASMIN TAJJANE BHEDA-ABHAAVAAT" - Naarad Bhakti Sutra/41).

May all be blessed!
Niteesh Dubey

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Dear Sadaks,
Rarely we come across a person saying "I am GOD". But if he is most humble and not dressed in polished cloths, NO make up, NO car etc we can have to think. May be he is one with GOD. Such a person will not seek attract ordinary men and easily teach divines. We have to be behind such person for some time/ years then HE may teach. Example:- Swamy Chinmayanandha learnt from Tapovan Maharaj. Others saying, "I am dust from GOD", is their own conviction. As far I know, my answer should be, " I do not know who I am, and seeking GOD".
B.Sathyanarayan .  

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Humbly,
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