Sunday, July 26, 2015

[gita-talk] What is the Truth about Realization?

 

What is the Truth about realization ?  

In Sadhak Sanjivani it is said :  Those who have realized God ...........  but those who have not realized God ..........  (Pg.  880 -  hindi) 
This sadhak wants to understand that when in this world,  every 'ansh' of Paramatma, becoming a "jeev"  (embodied soul),  is inseparable from it's source (Paramatma),  then how is there any possibility of any sort of separability,   in a 'jeev', pertaining to God Realization?  

Please explain. 

Humbly, 
Sadhak 

HINDI

सच क्या है?

साधक-संजीवनीमें कहा है : जिन्होंने भगवानको प्राप्त कर लिया है … … … परन्तु जिन्होंने भगवानको प्राप्त नहीं किया है … … … (पृष्ठ 880) 
साधक समझना चाहता है कि जब जीवलोकमें जीव बना हुआ परमात्माका प्रत्येक अंश अपने अंशीसे अभिन्न है तो उनमें (भगवानकी प्राप्ति संबंधी)
कैसी भी भिन्नता क्योंकर संभव है? 
कृपया समझायें। 
सविनय,
साधक 

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  • Hari Om

    There is no division ( bhinnata ) in reality, but if JEEVA accepts himself to be separate from God , then what can help him ? You are say a male , but what if you don't believe that and instead believe yourself to be female ? It is all a game of SVEEKRUTI ( acceptance / MAANYATA ) !!!

    • Know that when Saints or Scriptures use the word " drishti" it means acceptance, throwing the glance at.   

          • Yes Saritaji.... " SANKAR SAHAJ SAROOP SAMHARA, LAGI SAMADHI AKHAND APAARA" ....you are absolutely right
    Jai Shree Krishna

    Vyas N B 




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  • Hari SharaNam !

    According to TulsidasJi, JEEVA (i.e. ANSH of ISHWAR), is CHETAN (consciousness), AMAL (pure) and SAHAJ SUKHARASI (blissful by nature). But, it has put itself ( see the word "BHAYAU" ) under the control of Maya and got caught like parrot (sitting on a string and not flying away assuming that the string has caught it) & monkey (keeping its hand full of grain in a jar and not able to draw its hand out assuming that the jar has held it). This caused the creation of the knot between JAD/inert and CHETAN/consciousness. Though the knot is non-existent but appears difficult to untie. Since then, the Jeeva has become SANSAARI (worldly). Unless the knot is untied, it cannot become SUKHAARI (happy).
    ईश्वर अंश जीव अविनाशी                |    चेतन  अमल सहज सुखरासी     ||
    सो मायावश  भयऊ गोसाइन्            |    बन्ध्यों कीर मर्कट की नाईन्      ||
    जड चेतनहि ग्रन्थि परि गई              |    जदपि मृषा छूठत कठिनई         ||
    तब ते जीव भयऊ सन्सारी                |    छूट ग्रन्थि होइ  सुखारी      || (श्रीरामचरितमानस  - 7/117/2-5)          
     
     
    The same cause of "Jeeva being caught under Maya" is indicated by Bhagavad Gita.
    …. JEEVABHOOTAAM  …. DHAARYATE JAGAT – 7/5;
    PURUSHA PRAKRRITISTHO HI … KAARANAM GUNA SANGOSYA SADASDYONI JANMASU – 13/21
    MAMAIVAANSHO JEEVALOKE JEEVABHOOTAH ….…. PRAKRRITISHTHAANI KARSHAATI – 15/7

    Best Regards
    ND
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  • आदरणीया बहन सरिता जी! 
    कथन kewal apni drishti Paramatma ki aur karni hai,  jo abhinna hai,  kabhi apne se alag hua nahi,  hai nahi,  ho sakte nahi,  asambhav hai में कृपया आगे समझायें :
    apni drishti से किसकी दृष्टि समझी जाय? कहनेवालेकी या सुननेवालेकी? प्रश्न जरा टेढ़ा है। 
    जिस दृष्टिको इदंतासे देख सकते हैं, जिसके बारेमें बात कर सकते हैं कि अभी वह किधर है और किधर नहीं है, वह अपनी कैसे हुई? इदंतासे देखी जानेवाली कोई भी दृष्टि अपनी हो ही नहीं सकती। 
    यहीं तो गड़बड़ शुरू होती है। जहाँ इदंतासे देखी जानेवाली किसी भी चीजको मैं, मेरी (अपनी) या मेरे लिये समझा कि दिशा चूकी। मुझे परमात्मप्राप्ति अभी नहीं हुई है, इस मान्यतामेंसे 'मुझे' को जब छोड़ेंगे, सही दिशा मिलेगी। 
    तभी पता लगेगा कि सभी दिशायें उसी ओर इशारा करती हैं जिस ओर संतोंने बढ़नेको कहा है। 
    क्या कोई बता सकता है कि परमात्मा किस दिशामें नहीं है? 
    अस्तु। 
    सविनय,
    साधक 
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  • Dear Sadaks,
    Paramathuma is having NO form, NO karma, cannot be seen by human eyes (until GOD wishes) etc Vedic satras have clearly said this. In Sri Vishnu puran it is said that Sri Krishna was born from the hair of Sri Vishnu. Purander Doss was Naradh, due to his Karma. Jaya and Vijaya at the door of Sri Vaikunt was born as demons due to Karma. So are we. Once good and Bad Karmas becomes NIL balance one realises and goes to Paramathuma. 
    B.Sathyanarayan.


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Nitya praapt ki praapti ki baat ho rahi hai.   kewal apni drishti Paramatma ki aur karni hai,  jo abhinna hai,  kabhi apne se alag hua nahi,  hai nahi,  ho sakte nahi,  asambhav hai.   

Sarita  

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Dear Sadak Ji,
                                Namaskar!

Truth of realization is to feel that what you call yourself YOU  are in reality beyond your physical body, spiritual or metaphysical body, mind, budhi, ego and even your consciousness. This is because all those mentioned items are yours or, in other words are your properties while; REALIZING THEAT YOU ARE SOMETHING BEYOND BEYOND AND MUCH BEYOND....YOU NAME IT EVEN ISHWER!

I am aware, I have written this earlier occassions as well!
 
 Jai Shri Krishna (Narayana)

(Kuldeep Kumar Kaul)

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The atma is an amsha of God. God has produced this amsha (atma) with the intention that he will do His seva. This is possible only when the atma has priti for God. Every atma has the potential to have priti for God. However, this potential is not manifest in all. Those, in whom this potential is manifest from anadi-kAla (since eternity), are eternally engaged in the seva of God and they exist in the abodes of God (beyond material nature). Such individual atmas are called nitya-mukta. Those, in whom this potential is not manifest from anAdi-kAla have been taking birth in different life forms in this material world since eternity. Such individual atmas are called nitya-baddha. We all come under this category. It is only with the mercy of a bhakta that sometime, some fortunate atma gets genuinely interested in God and then, through the right kind of sadhana, does priti manifest in him and then he becomes God-realized and he goes to one of the abodes of God beyond material nature. -Japesh Bandyopadhya

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