Friday, July 31, 2015

[gita-talk] Giving birth to child is biological or spiritual process ?

 

One of my friend has put some question to me.

Now a days young couple make love frequently and below are the questions.. 

how many child one should have ? 1  2 or 3 or more?
is giving birth is a biological process or a spiritual process (new soul take a body).
What to do for unplanned child? 
Now a days abortion pills are easily available in market & people use it frequently.


I have answered the question as below.
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Self realisation is the goal of life and sex has lease priority in that.

Sexual relation ship are allowed only for reproduction not for pleasure.
So if we do sex only for reproduction then these kind of situation will not come.

According to me the process of giving birth is biological & spiritual both.Even i ended up with a conclusion that 
birth is totally spiritual as the life come to the body by the Grace of God only.
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My friend was satisfied with the answers but in turn he said the point which I made are not valid for this generation.
Practically it's not possible to make love only when you want kids and keep unplanned child.


As i had no answer for him so I thought i will put you to you guys. 

Ram Ram...

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Ram Ram,

I read the answers, most of them are same as I have already quoted to my friend.

I reiiterate the below point again & Please enlighten us by keeping in mind that the audience is Young generation.

<<Practically it's not possible to make love only when you want kids .>>


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  • बड़े भैया श्री Vyas N B जी!
    आपकी एक बात [there are other living forms ( yonis ) where you can indulge in sense gratification better] समझमें नहीं आयी। मनुष्यका यह अपने मुँह मियाँ मिट्ठू बनना जैसी बात है जो वह समझता है कि मजेके लिये सेक्समें प्रवृत्त होना पशुता है, जबकि तथ्य यह है कि कुत्ता-कुतिया, घोड़ा-घोड़ी, गधा-गधी भी तभी सेक्समें प्रवृत्त होते हैं जब कुतिया, घोड़ी, गधी प्रजननके लिये ऋतुमती (on heat) होती है अन्यथा (non-heat period में) दोनों लिपटे पड़े सोते रहते हैं (मनुष्यकी तरह नहीं कि जहाँ स्त्री दिखी नहीं कि लार टपकने लगी)।  
    क्या कभी गर्भिणी कुतिया या गर्भिणी घोड़ी या गर्भिणी गधीसे सेक्स होते देखा है आपने? यह मनुष्य ही है जो अंत तक 
    (प्रसव होनेके पहले तक) गर्भिणी स्त्रीसे भी सेक्स करनेको आतुर रहता है फिर भी अपनेको पशुसे श्रेष्ठ समझता है। 
    अस्तु। 
    सविनय,
    साधक 
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  • Dear Sir,
               The question is raised about when आत्मा enters the body created by the married couple by sexual means for reproduction. As we are aware, many souls that have completed their कर्मफल (by suffering or enjoying as their cases might be), they are ready for rebirth to continue their progress towards मोक्ष in this (new) human birth. So they are in search of suitable parents where they may have better chance to continue their progress. As per नासदीय सूक्त in the last मंडल of ऋग्वेद, they crowd at a site where new body is generated. Whichever soul finds the parents suitable, enters the body of the embryo within 3 to 4 weeks after fertilization of the female egg is successful. 
             This being spiritual progress of the soul, the birth of a baby becomes spiritual.
             With regards,
             ------Mukund Apte . 
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  • श्री GA Mittal जी के कथन Sex is normal part of life. Having sex is biological as it involves human biology! "vasudeva sarvam" - So, sex is divine also. में समझना है कि sex biological (शुद्ध प्रकृति) होते हुये divine (शुद्ध चेतन) कैसे हो गया? प्रकृति जड़ कही गयी है (sex में involved सभी शरीर जड़ कहे गये हैं)। 
    divine का अर्थ यदि दिव्य ( चेतनके अतिरिक्त जड़ कभी दिव्य हुआ हो, इसका शास्त्रीय प्रमाण साधकको प्राप्त नहीं) समझा जाय तो फिर जड़की जड़ता विलुप्त हो जायगी और केवल चेतन रह जायगा। 
    थोड़ी व्याख्या और अपेक्षित है। 
    सविनय,
    साधक 
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Hari Om

When does Atman enters the body? - is the Q

When male sperm meets the female ovum and enters the womb !!!

As regards the main Q - if you go to your wife without desiring a child, what have you done ? One - You have made her a prostitute ! One does not go to a prostitute for getting a child - isn't it ? If the same thing you do with your better half, then what have you made her ? Is it a respect to a female ?  Two- You indulge in pure BHOG only, and thus you do not fall into exception provided in Gita 7/11 - DHARMAVIRUDDHO BHUTESHU KAMOSMI BHARATARSHABHAH !!

That your friend finds the correct answer given you to be impractical, does not change the truth. Truth remains that the only purpose of human life is Self Realisation and not procreation. 

Tell your friend - there are other living forms ( yonis ) where you can indulge in sense gratification better... Say dog, bitch, horse, donkey ...if you misuse the human birth by doing the same thing which animals do ( and of course they do that better than humans ) , then God will give you next birth as dog or bitch....He is a very affectionate father...just as You give your child perishable toys to make the child happy, what if God gives you rebirth as dog or bitch. Indulge as much as you relish, as long as you want. 

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B 



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  • Dear Sadaks,
    Giving birth to a child is purely nothing but your own past birth Karma. Read Vivekacudamani and know perfectly.
    B.Sathyasnarayan- Chennai 

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Getting human birth is to pursue spiritualism and to getting rid off from chain of birth and death.   Giving birth is both spiritual and biological process.  The child is expected to do the final rites to the departed soul of the father to erase the sin of his father for giving him birth.

with namaskarams to sadhaks

S.Vaidyanathan

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श्री Japesh Bandyopadhyay जी !
कृपया यह और बता दें कि सृष्टिमें इस समय जितने भी जीवित zygote अस्तित्वमें हैं (संख्या शायद ही कोई बता सके, न तो जीव-वैज्ञानिक और न ही शास्त्र बताते हैं), निश्चित रूपसे सभी zygote में आत्मा एक ही समयमें (at same moment of time) enter हुई अथवा अलग-अलग समय (point of time) में? zygote बनानेवाले sperm और ovum एक ही समयमें (at same moment of time) unite हुये हों, यह कैसे संभव हो सकता है?
अब यदि आप कहते हैं कि zygote में आत्मा अलग-अलग समय (point of time) में enter हुई तो कृपया बताइये कि आत्मा (जिसे सर्वगत कहा गया है, या आप उसे सर्वगत ही नहीं मानते) जो अलग-अलग zygote में enter हुईं उनकी संख्या कितनी होगी? सर्वगत तो एक ही हो सकती है दो नहीं, दो होते ही उनमें space होगी। 
कृपया अपने कथनको स्पष्ट कीजिये। 
सविनय,
साधक   

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साधक 
Indrani द्वारा पूछे प्रश्न (
when does the atman enter the body?) 
को समझा नहीं। 
क्या जिसे आत्मा कहा गया है (जो पहलेसे ही सर्वगत है), वह किसी शरीरमें (जो सर्वगत नहीं है) प्रवेश कर सकता है? 
'प्रवेश करना' (enter) की परिभाषाके अनुसार प्रवेश वहीं किया जाता है जहाँ प्रवेश करनेवाला पहले नहीं होता। टीवी सीरियलों में जो कुछ भी आत्मा संबंधी दिखाया 
जाता है, उससे भ्रमित होकर सर्वगत आत्माको वह मत समझें जो वह नहीं है अर्थात आत्मा कहींसे आता या कहींको जाता हो। आत्मा (जिसको परमात्माका अंश कहा गया है) अपने अंशी परमात्मासे पूर्णत: अभिन्न (सर्वगत) होते हुये कहीं आने-जानेवाला हो ही नहीं सकता।  
अस्तु। 
सविनय,
साधक 

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 Every thing that happens in the Universe is divine spiritual process : some of these divine processes  are physical in form, content and as a phenomenon.
Basudeb Sen


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This is a response to sadhika Indrani ji's question, "When does the atman enter the body?" The atman, along with the sukshma sharir (subtle body), enters the womb of the mother during the time the sperm unites with the ovum and the zygote is formed. Which atman will enter? This depends on the samskaras of the parents and their mental state during their union. If they unite only for pleasure, a lusty individual will enter the womb. Hence we have provisions in the shastras on when to unite and how to unite. If we follow the provisions, a physically strong, emotionally stable, intellectually advanced and spiritually elevated child will be born. -Japesh Bandyopadhyay




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  • MY OPINION
  • Sex is normal part of life. Having sex is biological as it involves human biology!

  • "vasudeva sarvam" - So, sex is divine also.

    India cannot continue to increase its population. Otherwise, chaos and suffering will increase further. Environment and animals will also be destroyed. In current context, increasing population seems wrong to me.

    In India, there is concern for safety of women in India. Girl cannot walk on road at night safely. Men are so low grade that they can get excited easily by women who wear mini-skirts etc. Don't be such a low grade men. As long as you do sex for mutual happiness, it is good. At least don't hurt women for sex and control them as that is quite prevalent in India now.
GA Mittal

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साधक द्वारा मित्रके प्रश्नोंके उत्तर :
एक - बच्चोंको जन्म देना मनुष्यके हाथमें नहीं है। यदि है तो कृपया उन सभी निस्संतान दम्पतियोंको 
विधि बतायें जो संतान पानेके लिये तरस रहे हैं। बच्चोंकी संख्याका निर्धारण समाजमें कब-कब हो सका है?
दो - बच्चेका जन्म होना दैवी (मनुष्येतर नियंत्रित) प्रक्रिया है। शरीरका जन्मना जैविक प्रक्रिया है। 
बच्चेका जन्म होना आत्मिक (spiritual) प्रक्रिया संभव ही नहीं (न करोति न लिप्यते)। 
तीन - जिसे unplanned child कह रहे हैं वह deliberately done sexual act का परिणाम है। 
जब sexual act deliberately planned था तो उसका result (child) unplanned कैसे? 
किसीने सच कहा है : जैसा करोगे, वैसा भरोगे।  
चार - गर्भ-समापनकी गोलियाँ बाजारमें उपलब्ध हैं तो हों, हमें उनका आश्रय नहीं लेना। 
जो पत्नीको भोग्या समझते हैं, वही उसको इन गोलियोंका सेवन कराते हैं अथवा स्वयं vasectomy कराते हैं। 
हमें उन जैसा नहीं बनना। संतति नियमनका नैसर्गिक उपाय संयम है।  
समझ अपनी-अपनी। 
अस्तु। 
सविनय,
साधक 

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dears in fact the sex is good and divine when you use it naturally for reproduction. let us see where we stand in this cosmos of living beings. we are the only species of living beings who indulge in sex for pleasure sake rest of the whole life uses sex for reproduction once a year. more we indulged in sex more we were drawn to perversion to wards annual ,oral even telephonic sex and many more. we the crown of the creation the man has fallen worst than an animal. in order to be real humans in India sex beyond decent limits  is taboo and looked down upon. so let us try to follow the natural path set for the humans by the nature. if every individual acts positive the success is not far off.

c k kaul 

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when does the atman enter the body?
 
Indrani 

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