Tuesday, October 14, 2014

[gita-talk] How did the Existent Self become an embodied soul (jeev)?

 

Swamiji has said -  Jeev (embodied soul) itself falls into bondage and becomes liberated.  But the Existent Self embodiment of Self, itself neither becomes a doer nor an enjoyer;  nor happy,  nor sad,  nor bound,  nor liberated. 
 
Sadhak would like to know -  When the Existent Self neither becomes a doer,  nor enjoyer,  nor happy, nor sad,  nor bound,  nor liberated,  then where did that "jeev" (embodied self) come from?   (How did the Existent Self become an embodied soul (jeev)?)   If the Self became 'jeev' (embodied soul),  then why did Swamiji call it beyond any state (avasthateet) ?  
 
Please explain in simple language? 
 
HINDI
 
स्वामीजीने कहा है : जीव ही बन्धनमें पड़ता है और मुक्त होता है। परन्तु 
सत्तास्वरूप स्वयं न कर्त्ता बनता है, न भोक्ता; न सुखी होता है, न दुःखी; 
न बँधता है, न मुक्त होता है। 
साधककी जिज्ञासा है : जब सत्तास्वरूप स्वयं न कर्त्ता बनता है, न भोक्ता 
बनता है, न सुखी होता है, न दुःखी होता है, न बँधता है, न मुक्त होता है 
तब जीव कहाँसे आया? (सत्तास्वरूप स्वयं कब जीव बना?) यदि स्वयं ही 
जीव बना तो उसे स्वामीजीने अवस्थातीत क्यों कहा है?
कृपया सरल भाषामें समझायें। 
सविनय,
साधक  
 
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