Thursday, August 21, 2014

[gita-talk] Naming first Male or Female in case of Couple

 

Dear All,
 
Namaskar.
 
I have a question for which I could not find answer. Can anybody enlighten me?
We call some lords as:
 
1.  Shanker Parvari.
2.  Ram Sita
3.  Brahma Sarasawti 
and like wise
 
And some as:
·       Radha Krishen.
·       Laxshmi Narayan.
and like wise
 
But why we call in first case male first and in second case female first. What is rationale behind this? Please educate me.
 
 
Hari Om
 
 Krishen Kaul


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Sri Sankaracharya taught us "Sankara Parvatibhyam namaha", whereas Sri Kalidasa has taught us "Vande Parvati Parameswarau". And both are accepted and used by Bhaktas/Sadhakas; so there is no such difference. When it comes to Loukika (worldly) expression, different Gurus use different order, depending on context and Chandas/Ganas to explain/expound further about the same ONE reality. This is from my limited understanding and other experts may explain better. Humbly submitted.

rv

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Dear Sadaks,
It has become fashion in calling divine names improperly and incompletely. Every sound one creates has energy in it with negative force or positive force. In simple term if I call you fool, it aggravates you. In Christianity – Bible it clearly says, be kind loving etc. So also in Hinduism it is told scientifically that how a sound can cause disease or produce health. These are Vedas and proved by many saints astonishingly.  Sant Tukaram could make blind see. Christ could make dead alive. But in Hinduism by sounds many saints made blind to see, dumb to speak, cure disability etc.
It is said in our scripts, sastras etc like this. Seetha rama, radha Krishna, Lakshmi Narayana, Parvathi Parameswara, Etc. NOT vise versa which is wrong. Krishnah or Krishna has specific sound energy. By cutting short as Krishen, that person may be well off but could face sudden death or face unhappiness inspite of having wealth. If you could get hold of good Microscope do this experiment. Take a clear glass fill with water and say Om or Sri Krishna just at a distance of 3 to 4 inches. You can see crystals in water with help of Microscope. Make some abnormal sound like Hey. You will see difference. Our body constitutes 75 % water. So when we hear pleasing sounds, loving words our body reacts accordingly.
B.S.

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भैया, आपने गौरी-शंकर, सिया-राम नाम भी सुने होंगे।
सविनय,
साधक 

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Namaskar & Happy Janmashtami to all.
As I understand it, there is no sexism in spirituality as it is in material world.  It's in our narrow thinking mind.
Manmade male aspect is Almighty God and female aspect is the energy.  Together they are ONE.  There is no superior or inferior in that. 
When we pray we are praying to both aspects of ONE, who is called by many other names as in Ekta Mantra: Yam vaidika mantra.... or simply Aum, Ek Onkar!
Ekam sadvipra bahudha vadanti, meaning wise call the ONE by different names (& forms) but the object is ONE.  Vishnu Sahastranam is an example. 
There is no reason to object to Radhe Radhe, Sita or Ram, Ram Sita or Sita Ram etc.  Valmikiji even had Mara mantra for Rama and he was enlightened by that.
Let's correct our narrow material thinking for wider spiritual progress for all.  Practise witjh our focus on the ONE aim, not the trivialities and a lot of discussion only.  Any spiritual practice is superior to discussions only.  You choose....and share....this important message from Gitaji.
Dr BalMukund Bhala.
 
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Dear ALL, Pt. Krishen Kaul in particular 
                                                                   Namaskar!
It is customary to write female name before male whether, it be in our social current day to day Life or naming deities! To my mind, Pt. Krishen Ji's notion that some write or recite Male's name first and then Female's name such as  & Mr. & Mrs.,  RamSita, NarayanLaxmi, KrishenRadha, ShankerUma..... and the like is not correct in itself! So no need to find a logic behingd it!

 Rather the fact is that it is customary to write or say the other way round like Mr. & Mrs  SitaRam,  LaxmiNarayan, RadhaKrishen, UmaShanker.....and the like! However, there is definitely a logic in it as well. The logic is that Female is considered as the energy of the Male counter part, so the value of any male is nothing without female, the energy part of it. Therefore, energy part (Female Name) is respected and written, responded  or recited before the male counterpart!

Now, the real question which is genuine once my brother-in-law very rightly asked me some three years ago, as to when in all the cases names of females come first as explained above then why in case of ShivShakti or even for ShankarParvati it is not customary to write female first as in other cases so accordingly why it is not said ShaktiShiv & ParvatiShankar!!

I did answer him the question but, before I would divulge my answer I like to give a chance to solve the riddle to others as well, Pt. Krishen Kaul in particular!

Narayana, Narayana!

I am
KKK
(Kuldeep Kumar Kaul)
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Sunday, August 17, 2014

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Dear All,
 
Namaskar.
 
I have a question for which I could not find answer. Can anybody enlighten me?
We call some lords as:
 
1.  Shanker Parvari.
2.  Ram Sita
3.  Brahma Sarasawti 
and like wise
 
And some as:
·       Radha Krishen.
·       Laxshmi Narayan.
and like wise
 
But why we call in first case male first and in second case female first. What is rationale behind this? Please educate me.
 
 
Hari Om
 
 Krishen Kaul

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014

[gita-talk] FEEDBACK ON VARIOUS GITA SHLOKAS

 

15th chapter 20th shloka iti guhyatamam shastramidamuktam mayanagha etadbudva buddhiman syat kritakrityascha bharata sinless arjuna, secret of this shastra is taught by me to you, and after learning this man becomes intelligent and greatful here krishna teaches most secret science secret of secret, teaching jeeva jagat, eshwara and relevant things, purushottama is paramatma and parmatma is purushottama, his amsha is jeeva life, particle, he created this nature, and he is there everywhere like in narsimha avatara when hiranyakashipu asks his son prahlada where is your hari he says everywhere even in this tone pillar yes he says and lord comes out of the stone pillar, in life paramatma is ultimate, and truth which is eternal, he is first and then the world, this is secret he says, hidden, unable to see not tangible, we are unable to see him, we cant see him but he is doing we can feel, we need not search him all over the world he is very near to us people believe body food digestion etc, but not god, inside us, he is behind our ego, our organs, hence krishna says arjuna and arjuna finally confess please tell me my lord, krishna teaching here if we learn we will realize, in this chapter there is geeta sara means gist juice in the sugarcane, do duty of man, man should know god, dnt keep god as insurance, god realization should be our ultimate goal, our journey ends, not bound by anything, need not clear any loan,debt, we will be debt ridden god bless you swamiji  (Swami Krishnanand)  


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Re: [gita-talk] The Bhagavad Gita - Daily Message - 15 /16
abhayam satva samshuddhir gnana yoga vyavastiti danam damascha yagnascha swadyayastapa arjavam ahimsa satyamakrodhastayaga shantirapaishunam daya bhootesha loluptam mardavam hreerachapalam tejakshama dhruti shauchamadrohonatimanita bhavanti sampadam daivimabhijatasya bharata arjuna with out fear, nirbhayata, satvasamshuddhi, gnanyoga vyavastiti, dan, yagna, veda adhyayan, tapas, simplicity, ahimsa, with out anger, tyag, shanti, chugali nahi karna no back biting, bhhota daya, control of sensory organs, soft nature, shy, tejas, ksham, bravery, cleanliness, not chetaing or treachery, with out pride are the qualities to be developed once in a kingdom a elephant was creating havoc and king and minster were shouting from balacony to take shelter and a stranger was coming slowly chanting ggeta and when the elephant came before him he started chanting 16th chapter and when he uttered abhayam the elephant became calm and quiet and sat down king and minster were suprised came down and asked what magic did you do he said nothing geeta parayan is so powerful especailly this chapter when i said abhayam the elephant understood its mistake and was consoled, composed then the king took the stranger to his palace and requested to teach geeta and he realized god hence ggeta parayan is powerful with out asking why how with faith if we chant we can achieve siddhi god bless you swamiji  (Swami Krishnanand)  

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||   Shree Hari   ||

Fifteenth Chapter

||   15 / 20   ||


iti guhyatamaṁ śāstramidamuktaṁ mayānagha

etadbuddhvā buddhimānsyātkṛtakṛtyaśca bhārata

Thus, O sinless Arjuna, this most secret Sastra (scripture) has been declared by Me;  by understanding it in essence, a man becomes enlightened and the accomplishes the mission of his life. 

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The Lord in this chapter has revealed Himself in the form of Supreme Person i.e., in His divine entire form ( Alokika Samagra Roopa), therefore this chapter has been called the most secret Śāstra (scripture). 

In the preceding verse, it is specially said that the devotee worships God with all his heart i.e., serving with unswerving devotion. In devotion, a devotee of God acquires what must be acquired. Therefore, in the previous verse, perhaps that is what was meant. In this verse, with the expression 'buddhimānsyātkṛtakṛtyaśca', the sentiments of 'jnat-jnatavya' (he knows what needs to be known) and 'kṛitakṛitya' (he has done what needs to be done) are said here.

Laukik Ksara (perishable) and Aksara (imperishable) are attained; therefore Alaukik God is to be attained. In this verse, it appears that the devotee attains the fruit of both Jnanayoga and Karmayoga or in other words he also becomes 'jnat-jnatavya' and 'kṛitakṛitya' (Gītā 7/29-30 & 10/10-11). 


Thus with Om, Tat, Sat, the names of the Lord, in the Upaniṣad of the 
Bhagavadgītā, the knowledge of Brahma, the Supreme, the science of Yoga and the dialogue between Sri Kṛiṣhṇa and Arjuna, this the fifteenth discourse is designated:—

 "The Yoga of the Supreme Person".



From Gita Prabodhani in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji  


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