Thursday, July 24, 2014

[gita-talk] Understanding Utility of this Human Body

 

Shree Hari 

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Gita Talk Moderators,  Ram Ram 
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Utility of this Human Body? 
Swamiji says : For God Realization,  there is no need whatsoever (not in the least bit) of the body or this world  (This is the Truth)
Question is : If this body is of no use in realizing God, then why has it been said ''बड़े भाग मानुस तन पावा'' "with much fortune this human body has been attained" 
Please explain this,  
Humbly,
Sadhak   

मानव तनकी उपयोगिता? 
स्वामीजीने कहा है : परमात्माकी प्राप्तिमें शरीर अथवा 
संसारकी किंचिन्मात्र भी जरूरत नहीं है। (यह सत्य है।)
प्रश्न यह है : यह शरीर परमात्मप्राप्तिमें काम आता नहीं, 
फिर ''बड़े भाग मानुस तन पावा'' क्यों गाया गया है? 
कृपया समझायें। 
सविनय,
साधक  

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Is vishay me swamiji ne kaha hai ki ....vaastav me manushya sharir me;..sharir ki mahima nahi hai balki ...is sharir me jo vivek hai uski mahima hai......isliye jo pagal ho jaate hai....jinka vivek lupt ho jaata hai ....unka sharir manushya ka hote hue bhi we manushya nahi hai....ram ram

on this subject Swamiji has said, that in fact, in this human body,  the greatness is not of this body,  but the greatness is of the "vivek"  (power of discrimination).  Therefore he who become "mentally handicapped"  whose power of discrimination gets hidden,  his body though being a human body,  is not so.   ram ram 
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Dear Sadhak,

Swamiji describes real (SAT) domain and unreal (ASAT) domain. It is important to understand and realize the difference. In Gita 13.35 states - "Those, who with the eyes of wisdom, perceive the difference between Ksetra (Field or body) and Ksetrajna (the knower of field, atma, self) and between prakritti along with it evolutes and the self (atma), attain the Supreme." 

From the perspective of real, you never die and you are eternal. From the perspective of unreal, it seems so hard to accept that we never die. 

From the perspective of REAL (SAT) domain --
Can you do anything to become eternal? No, you can't. 
You are always eternal. Are human or self enlightened people more eternal than animals? No, all are equally eternal. 
Will this human body help you to become eternal? No, you are always eternal.

Same applies to attainment of Paramatma.
Can you do anything to become attain Paramatma? No, you can't. 
Parmatma is always attained.. Are human or self enlightened people have higher realization or attainment of Parmatma? No.
Will this human body help you to attain Paramatma? No, Paramatma is always attained.

Even though we are eternal still death seems so real. Seeing self as dying is illusory but still real in ASAT domain. So, from perspective of ASAT domain, you attain immortality or freedom from death. Upanishads say -- mrityor ma amritam gamaya. That attainment of immortality is easiest in human birth. So, it has been said that we get this birth due to great fortune. These statements are in context of ASAT domain.

You need to understand the context of statement and resolve contradiction based on the context in which statement was made.

Regards,
Murari Das

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Life is a great mystery... we all keep guessing it.... 

Why a all powerful entity needs a human body for realizing his self? is one of the questions that humanity has been working on... Many of us have answers based on our meditations/experiences/understanding... but there is no consensus and clarity yet for everyone to agree...

One thing that is easily observable is that this world is about creativity...human body, like other things in the universe, is part of that wonderful creation process... 

Human body is considered unique/important because it appears to be the most developed form of creation... why we say "with much fortune this body has been attained" is because to keep the human beings humble, peaceful, with definite conduct, happy, caring, trustworthy, truthfull....for a truely happy, prosperous and peaceful world...

Scheel

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yes this was told by gandhiji in his experiments of truth and also by 
holy mother sharada devi that this human body has to be maintained to 
do sadhana over using abusing is also bad everything should be in 
moderation, when we are young we over use like sachin tendulkar and he 
had to be operated several times for tennis elbow of his hands and 
finally he retired, for sadahana like lata mangeshkar who did not 
marry for her magic in her throat 1000 of saints experimented with 
their body to qualify the supreme mind, 

pl remember everything in moderation 

god bless you  

swamiji  (Swami Krishnanand)

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Dear all,

THe moment we mention the word God,  we have no choice  but to go to  Veda.

God is  purely a Vedic concept.

If we did not have a human body,  we could not have studied Veda in this world at all  !!   

Hence the need for human body.   Hence the importance of  being born in a human body.   

Apart from humans,   which other species has preserved Veda ?.    Think about it.

Regards,
Jay N.

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