Wednesday, June 11, 2014

[gita-talk] Seeking to Understand meaning of "om purnam adah purnam idam"

 


I wish to understand  the secret of - When an aspirant narrates  -  om purnam adah purnam idam .... which means that everything is complete and perfect.    What does the word "everything"  and its meaning represent?  all things?  all thoughts?   what all ?  or whatever it may be,  that  all ?  Then 'everything' means that only which cannot be described, but is being done here as 'complete and perfect'

Humbly
Sadhak

HINDI

साधक कथन om purnan adah purnam idam .... which means that everything is complete and perfect का मर्म समझना चाहता है। everything शब्द को किस अर्थमें लिया जाय? सब वस्तुयें? सब क्रियायें? सब विचार? सब क्या-क्या? या जो भी हो वह सब कुछ? फिर तो everything का अर्थ वही हुआ जिसका वर्णन नहीं हो सकता पर किया जा रहा है कि वह complete and perfect है। 
सविनय,
साधक 

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very simple

om poornamada poornamida pooranat poornamudachayate poornasya poorna
madaya poorna mevava shishyate

this universe made of so many things will be incomplete with out one
another, the sun, the moon, the earth, fire, water,air, celestial,
stars.

i wonder why people are sadhakas are so much worried, is your day
complete with out doing a thing you are doing life long it will be
apoorna

when you dont pray it will be apoorna, if you dont take care of this
body temple it is apoorna, the breathing system the prana vayu being
inhaled and exhaled 21600 times in 24 hours, the blood circulation,
the heart, lungs, kidney,pancreas, liver, brain, cells working 24 x 7
will not be poorna if we meet with an accident the system will be
disturbed and it takes 21 days or 90 days to become poorna .again.

i humbly appeal all the sadhakas not to worry to know the how and why
of it but with full with keep on chanting as i had explained earlier
MARA being chanted will become RAMA mara means a tree in kannada for
the mundane it is difficult or sounds dull and insipid the name of
rama with all the dirty attractions but unfortunately even
vrukshadevata namah is no attraction they are cutting and their
attraction is flashy buidlings and concrete jungle destroying the
ecology

sorry i have dewelled little out of the track

god bless you
swamiji (Krishnanandji) 


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Dear Sadhak,


> I wish to understand  the secret of - When an aspirant narrates  -  om purnam adah purnam idam >.... which means that everything is complete and perfect.    What does the word "everything"  and >its meaning represent?  all things?  all thoughts?   what all ?  or whatever it may be,  that  all ? 
> Then 'everything' means that only which cannot be described, but is being done here as 'complete > and perfect'

As you know, "poorNamadah poorNamidam..."   is yajurvEda shAnti mantra.

PoorNam means Complete.   What does Completeness mean ?.  It simply means that  you can not add anything more to it.
adhaha means 'That'  
'idam'  means 'This'

Most people translate it as "Everything is Complete".   It is quite wrong.    If  this world itself was Complete
then we would not be in need of Veda at all,  and as a consequence there would be no need for God either.
Obviously,   Why would yajurveda shanti-mantra teach such things, anyways ?.

Veda calls God, The Creator of this Universe as PoorNa.   He is PoorNa  ( another name for It is Vishwa ).
Hence the word should not applied to the created world at all.

God in His Original form is PoorNa. (PoorNamadah)    God in an incarnation Form is still Complete ( poorNamidam ).   

I hope it helps.

Jay Nelamangala

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हरि ओम

साधकजी महाराज । आप ये everything कहाँ से ले आये ? पूर्णमद: पूर्णमिदं - इसमें everything कहाँ से टपक गया ? "यह" - इदम् - ! "सर्वम्" तो शब्द ही नहीं है श्लोक में, तो आप everything कहाँ से ले आये ? "पूर्ण सर्वम्" लिखा है क्या ? क्यों श्लोकों से तोड़ फोड़ करते हैं आप ? जीव पूर्ण है, जगत् पूर्णँ है,परमात्मा पूर्ण है- पूर्ण में से पूर्ण निकलता है, फिर भी पूर्ण बाक़ी रहता है । इसमें वर्णनातीत की बात ही कहाँ है ? प्रकृति यदि complete and perfect है, स्वयं भी पूर्ण और परफेक्ट है तो इसमें आपको क्या ऐतराज़ है? आपका प्रकृति से संबध imperfect है - यह बात मूल है ! प्रकृति अपने हिसाब से परफेक्ट है, आपके हिसाब से नहीं । जगत् प्रवाह रूप से अव्यय है, लेकिन आपके के लिये विनाशी है । भगवान् की शक्ति होने के कारण जगत् सत् है, आपकी साधना के हिसाब से सत् नहीं ! आपको जगत् से संबंध - विच्छेद करना है - चाहे जगत् सत् हे, असत् हो, वासुदेव हो, शुभ हो, अशुभ हो, भगवान् का बनाया हो, या प्रकृति का बनाया हो ! आपका जगत् से संबंध असत् है - यह निस्सन्देह बात है - फिर क्यों माथा-पच्ची करते हैं ? 

जय श्री कृष्णा

व्यास एन बी 

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