Saturday, May 31, 2014

[gita-talk] How the Sat Chetan and Anand are the properties of Self?

 

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Respected Divine Sadhaks,

How the Sat Chetan and Anand are the properties of Self?

Please enlighten me with the meaning  and elaborations so
that i could understand and accept that i actually am a part
of "Him".

Regards

Man Mohan Batra

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Dewar Batra Ji & Sarvattom Sadak Ji,
                                                                        Namaskar!
 
You have all the properties like you are having Suthol Body comprising of  5 elements, 10 Indriyas, (Mana/Bhudee/Ahamkar), your surely are SOMETHING meaning SAT (that is true about you), you feel that you exist meaning CHIT (you are conscious of your ownself) and finally when you free of worldly troubles and pleasures you are in the state of ANANDA!!!
 
Lord Krishna has given the definition of True Self (REAL YOU) in you  or, anybody else  in Shrimad Bhagved Gita as:
 
IDRIYANI PARAYAHUR, IDRIYEBHE PARMAM MANA!
MANSASTU PARA BHUDHE, YO BHUDE PARTAS TU SAH!!
 
That SAH (GOD) of you is SOMETHING what you feel are TRUE YOU in you which is beyond your both Mana & Bhudee. But then,  within your Bhudee you definitely exist as SOMETHING means that you are SAT  (True),  again you definitely feel that YOU ARE which is sign of  CHIT (EGO) and finally your condition of state of Mind, free of happiness/sorrow, pleasure/grief, comfort/trouble….so on so forth which is your  ANAND
 
Hope this removes your doubt how Sat Chetan and Anand exist within you!!
 
 Regards,
 
Kuldep K. Kaul

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Dear Sadak,
If you disown everything on earth, you are ONE WITH HIM. Sri Krishna lived in family life. But HE disowned mentally everything. HE said to the child born black and nearly dead, to Matha Uthra, " If I (Sri Krishna) am Proona Bramacari may this child become normal". Sri Krishna said this at the end of Mahabarath. The child totally alive, beautiful and healthy. This is child was Parikshid. So disown and become Aach Chit Aanantham.

B. S 

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Hari Om

How the Sat, Chetan and Anand are the properties of Self ? - this is the Q. 

The existence of water is proved by your thirst. If you are thirsty, that means water necessarily exists ,  it may be 1000 Kms away from you, but unless water exists you cannot feel thirsty. That means if you have desire, the element to fulfill that desire exists. For example, you don't have desire to smell the flower of sky , because flower of sky does not exist. Upto here, clear ? 

Now you have a desire in you that you should live for ever. This is desire for Sat. You have desire that you should know everything, you should not be agyaani ( not knowledgeable). This is desire for Chitta . You have desire that you should always be happy, never sorrowful. This is desire for Ananda. Now if these desires are present in you, that proves what ? The element to fulfill that desire is also present. ( if you feel thirsty, water is there) ! Now , actually these desires are in you to fulfill them. Actually, you yourSELF are Sat- Chit- Anand Svaroop only and since you have associated yourSELF with Asat-Agyaan- Dukhalay - world, your basic form has manifested in desire for Sat-Chit-Ananda. You can not have desire , if there is absence of Sat-Chit-Anand. 

The above proves that if you have desire for Sat-Chit-Ananda , they are attainable. You can not attain them, if you have no unity with them. Hence Sat-Cit-Ananda are your properties, viz properties of Self because you have desire of the same existing in you. You make mistake of fulfilling these desires from the world and hence these desires are still unfulfilled, still existing in you. So till you realise that these desires are not going to be ever fulfilled from your affinity with the world or out of anything from the world, these desires will continue to remain with you, life after life, Yuga after Yugas. So you have to disconnect from world because these are not existing in the world. Once you disconnect from the world, only two elements remain behind- JEEVA AND JAGDISH. So the element to fulfill these desires are existing with Jeeva or Jagdish. Jagat is out because you have failed to find that element in Jagat. Therefore also it is proved that Sat-Chit-Ananda are properties of Paramatma and since Jeeva is ANSH of Paramatma, therefore in Jeeva also. 

Satisfied ? Ask Q , in case of any query. I shall be happy to respond. 

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B 

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श्री B S जी! आप किसे disown करनेको बोल रहे हैं?
यह सब कुछ (संसार और सृष्टि) उसी तत्त्व (परमात्मा) का आद्यावतार कहा गया है। 
उस (तत्त्व) के अलावा क्या कभी कुछ हुआ है जिसे disown किया जाय?
अस्त। 
सविनय,
साधक 


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Sat is the property of he soul. It is eternal. Ch.2 of Geeta deals with this concept. Verse 20 mentions 'Ajaha, Nityaha, Shashwataha, Puranaha. It means, it is never born, always existing, Eternal, Puranaha which has similar meaning. Hence, it is called Sat. 
In the presence of soul, Prakriti becomes living - chaitnyavat, hence it is called  'Chitta'. and Divine Joy is the nature of soul, hence it is called 'Anand'
Jayantilal Shah


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I want to be eternal and don't want to die (SAT). 
I want to be happy (ANANDA).
I am conscious (chetan).

I want to be Sat Chetan and Anand. Gita and other scriptures state that we are these. We are Sat Chetan and Anand and therefore, we are seeking for them. Due to illusion, we have assumed opposite.

I accept above statements on faith.

Regards,
Murari Das

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श्री बत्राजी!
बहुत सुन्दर प्रश्न उठाया है। 
साधक भी समझना चाहता है कि जिसे Self कहा गया है, उसके बारेमें (कि वह सच्चिदानन्द है),
उसे (जो समझना चाहता है) कैसे समझाया जाता है?
अस्तु। 
सविनय,
साधक 

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|| Shree Swami Samarth ||

Dear Sadhak,
As Soul is part (Ansha) of Bhagwant, qualitatively it is Sat - Chit - Anandamay. Knowledge (Wisdom) - Peace - Love is the nature of soul. It is its own nature. We identify ourselves as body, we have DEH-BUDHHI, that why we can not realize our true nature. When we realize ourself other than our body, we start our journey towards Sat-Chit-Anandmay swarup.

Love,
Nishikant Pathak

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Dear Sadak,
If you disown everything on earth, you are ONE WITH HIM. Sri Krishna lived in family life. But HE disowned mentally everything. HE said to the child born black and nearly dead, to Matha Uthra, " If I (Sri Krishna) am Proona Bramacari may this child become normal". Sri Krishna said this at the end of Mahabarath. The child totally alive, beautiful and healthy. This is child was Parikshid. So disown and become Sat Chit Aanantham.


B  S

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