Thursday, October 31, 2013

[gita-talk] The Bhagavad Gita - Daily Message - 13/15

 


||  Shree Hari ||


Gita 13:15
 
bahirantaśca bhūtānāmacaraṁ carameva ca
sūkṣmatvāttadavijñeyaṁ dūrasthaṁ cāntike ca tat
 
He exists, within and without all beings, and constitutes the animate and also the inanimate creation. He is both near and far away. Because of His subtlety, He is incomprehensible.
Comment:
In the twelfth verse, God has been called 'Jñeya' (can be experienced), but in this verse He has been called 'Avijñeya' (can't be known). It means that in spite of the fact that God is 'Jñeya' but He is not known like knowing the world. As the world is known through senses, mind and intellect, God in not known through senses, mind and intellect. Senses, mind and intellect are the evolutes of Prakṛiti. The evolutes of Prakṛiti cannot know even Prakṛiti completely, then how can they know God Who transcends Prakṛiti? One has to accept the existence of God; because the acceptance is done by the Self itself. The Self has its identity with God, therefore God is also attained by acceptance and not by thinking, reflection and description.

Gita Prabodhani by Swami Ramsukhdasji

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[gita-talk] Can the Infinite ever be confined to boundaries ?

 

Swamiji says :   "The existence of Spiritual Aspirant (sadhak) and God are one and the same"  
Swamiji has also said "We are without any form, but in the form of this body we consider ourselves to be with a form.  This is the main mistake."  
Sadhak has the quest to know:    When Sadhak (we) and God  (Saadhya, Paramatma)   have one and the same existence and we (sadhak) are without a form, then why is God (Saadhya) shown with a body, with a form (God's incarnation is not without bounds, therefore He has a form,  because form is always with boundaries, never without boundaries).    (See the various pictures of God in His various incarnations, as revealed in the Gita Press books).  Can the Infinite (One without any boundaries) ever be confined to boundaries, i.e. be Finite (with bounds) ?   Can Existence even have a Name and Form?   If it does, than please tell me the NAME and FORM of That which Swamiji has called "IS"?
Humbly,   Sadhak

HINDI 

स्वामीजीने कहा है : ''साधक और साध्य की सत्ता एक ही है।''
स्वामीजीने यह भी कहा है : ''हम निराकाररूपसे हैं, पर शरीररूपसे अपनेको साकार मानते हैं। यह मूल भूल है।''
साधकको जिज्ञासा है : जब साधक (हम) और साध्य (परमात्मा) की सत्ता एक ही है और हम (साधक) निराकाररूपसे हैं तो परमात्मा (साध्य) फिर साकाररूपसे (अवतार सीमारहित नहीं होते तभी तो उनका रूप होता है, क्योंकि रूप वही होगा जो सीमासहित होगा, सीमारहित नहीं) शरीरवाला क्यों दिखाया जाता है? [गीताप्रेस द्वारा प्रकाशित परमात्माके विभिन्न अवतारोंके अनेकानेक चित्र देखिये] क्या असीम (सभी सीमाओंसे रहित) कभी ससीम (सीमासहित) हो सकता है? क्या सत्ताका भी नाम-रूप होता है? यदि होता है तो जिसे स्वामीजीने ''है'' कहा है, उसका नाम और रूप बतायें। 
कृपया सरल भाषामें समझायें। 
सविनय,
साधक    

 

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Dear Sadaks,
God is said by authentic vedic and God blessed scripts. Aroopaya- Without Roop. Aneka roopaya- numerous forms. Karanaya- HE is the cause. Nis Karanaya- HE is without cause.     Akanda roopaya- unlimited form. Citroopaya- Small form. Etc Etc. When Hanuman can perform all these, then why NOT GOD?
B.S.

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The totality is never expressed, does not take any form. Whatever is expressed, what ever is formed is fragmentation, is subject to modification. It is uneasiness for the present brain to bear this constant friction of modification. To be comfortable with this uneasiness, this friction connects one to the totality, to automation, to supreme relaxation.
Nothing can exist without contrasting features, day-night, hot-cold, without gap between polarities, today-tomorrow, action-result, without contrasting feelings, pain-pleasure, stress-relief. When you see that there is no escape from duality, no relief from the bondage of duality-you are attuned to supreme relaxation. One is comfortable with unending friction to operate. One is on an endless, restless, self-sustained track.
Y V Chawla

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Wednesday, October 30, 2013

[gita-talk] What is Bhakti ? How is it Different from Priya Bhaavana ?

 

The trivial looking question, which is never answered adequately, lingers on. Yes, what is bhakti and how is it different from priya bhaavana (Love is an inadequate word for priya bhaavana) Now I have a partial answer; not the ultimate one but a beginning step. If members are interested and curious I will write more. Bhakti is defined, rather tersely, by Krishna in 11.55 of Gita, which warranted an explanation and elaboration in the very next chapter. Please contemplate on it and come out with your answer.
humble
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[gita-talk] Will the existence of the evil come, even on rejecting the evil?

 


Swamiji says -  in the path of knowledge,  one rejects the unreal (temporary) ;  by which the existence of the unreal remains;  because one has accepted the existence of the unreal,  therefore only one is rejecting it !  
The sadhak has the quest to know :    Will the existence of the evil come, even on rejecting the evil?    If it will, then is it wrong (mistake) to reject the evil?   Or in the path of knowledge (jnana maarg),  is there separate rules applicable to this (existence of evil)?   
Please explain in simple, easy words.   
Humbly,    Sadhak

HINDI

स्वामीजीने कहा है : ज्ञानमार्गमें असत्‌का निषेध करते हैंजिससे असत्‌की सत्ता आती हैक्योंकि असत्‌की सत्ता स्वीकार की हैतभी तो निषेध करते हैं !
साधकको जिज्ञासा है : बुराईका निषेध करनेमें भी क्या बुराईकी सत्ता आती है? यदि आती है तो क्या बुराईका निषेध करना गलती है? अथवा ज्ञानमार्गमें इसके (बुराईकी सत्ताके) अलग ही नियम होते हैं? 
कृपया सरल शब्दोंमें समझायें।  
सविनय,
साधक 

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dear Sadaks,
Sri Adi Sankara says in Vivekachudamani- Ag-Gyan (Evil) birth is NOT known from when it was come into existence. Bible also says the same- Adam and eve, the snake (Evil). Evil goes by itself when Gyana comes. You cannot reject or invite.
B.S

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Darkness comes after the Sun sets.We do not like darkness, but can we reject it? Similarly when the Sun rises in the peak summer months, we want to avoid the Sun, but can we really do it? Both the experiences have to be shared with absolute equinimity, which is the base of spirituality. Barin Chatterjee 

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If you do not feel superior in dealing with evil, evil evaporates, then simple operation of facts do not disturb you.
If you do not label evil as bad, you are face to face with 'whatever what is', you do not escape the uneasiness, the facing of evil is creating with in you-you are connected to the Original. The issue of evil closes for you.

Y V Chawla

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