Thursday, July 4, 2013

[gita-talk] how Demi Gods have power of see, when Gita states only Krishna has such powers?

 

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Dear All|

I seek your guidance on this:

It is learnt from scriptures that during Lord Siva's marriage with Parvathi devi
the enitre population of the earth went towards Himlayas to attend the wedding.
To avoid development of imbalance to the earth Lord Siva requested saint
Agastheir to stay back in South India to counter the imbalance. Lord Siva also
assured saint Agasthier that he could see his wedding from southern part of
India. To symbolise this event there is a tree (vanni maram) in Marudheeswara
temple. There is a saying that saint Agastheir seen Lord Siva's marriage with
Parvathi devi by sitting under this tree.

I wanted to know how this is possible? It is clearly written in Bhagavad Gita
that Lord Krishna alone can be seen in anything and everything by virtue of HE
being fully soul made(100% soul made). Then how is it possible for Demi God
Lord Siva's marriage was seen by saint Agasthier from far away place?

with namaskarams
S.Vaidyanathan

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Dear Sadhakas,
Hare Krishna,
This is in response to a question from a Sadhaka regarding Siva's marriage.

Lord Krishna says in Bhagavadgita
" Rudranam sankarascasmi"
Gitaji (10, 23)

Which means,
Sankara. Lord Siva is the predominant of the eleven Rudras. He is the
incarnation of Lord Krishna. There is no difference.

Thank you,

Prasad A. Iragavarapu, MD

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dear Mr. S. Vaisyanathan,
Total surrender in the lotus feet of god is very important, when
khetir maharaj told swami vivekananda that he dont believe in moorthy/
idol worship, swamiji told to spit on the photo of rajas parents, raja
was shocked, then swamiji explained, it is the bhava, devotion, is
important , we worship our parents since we have seen them in flesh
and blood, and god has created human beings and let us not question
...like shri ramakrishna paramahamasa 1836-1886 sincerely did tapasya
about kali godess for 17 years and when she did not appear he was
about to kill himself and lo she appeared in all glory and after
seeing her sri ramakrishna paramahamsa fell in trance which common
people can not understand..people mocked, made fun but he had god
intoxication always till he died
hence for gods sake dont question or have iota of doubt as to which
god is big or small, who is demi god etc
keep on praying non stop in each and every breath and you will realize
the importance of god,
when we are happy we forget god and when we are un happy we think of
god, that is wrong, god has given us everything what we are enjoying
from dawn to dusk, prayer is nothing but to thank him, it is only we
human beings are in conflict since we have intellect, buddhi, chitta
ot what ever you call, animals dont have they can not discriminate
they have three senses to eat, sleep and procreate but we human beings
are blessed with so many things..but we should do good only, eradicate
evil, negative qualities daily and develop good virtues daily
god bless you
swamiji SWAMI KRISHNANANDA

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Dear Sadhak,

In Bhagwatam it is mentioned that Lord Shiva also a Krishna devotee and Krishna
also can't be separated from Lord Shiva. The biggest example here is when we go
to krishna Dham whether it's Vrindavan , Jagannath , Kedarnath or so lord Shiva
temples are also there. If we ignore lord Shiva by not doing Pranam to Shiva
Lord Krishna mentioned himself that by ignoring Lord Shiva we get the biggest
sin and Lord Krishna don't accept such devotees

Lord Shiva is the destroyer and he is the biggest saint in while universe and by
doing sadhana only he got the universal powers which no other saint has got.

So my dear Sadhak hope it is clear to you that we should Pranam Lord shiva when
we see his picture or visit temple. He has got the biggest powers from all
devotees of Krishna as he is closest to Lord Krishna.

Hari Bol

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The way you believe Parvathi was married to Shiva, the same way believe
Agastheir witnessed the marriage from a long distance OR you disbelieve BOTH.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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What is the problem here. Now we have technologies for live interactive video
and TV to see anything happening anywhere if we like to see or participate in
from anywhere else. When these technologies were not there, the capable persons
in their meditative stance of complete calmness could receive and transmit
signals using their mind. So, Agastha had the capability to meditate and hook up
into the natural network of transmission and see the marriage of Shiva and
Parvati. Now bed-ridden grand parents can easily see and participate in the
wedding of their grand children through video conferencing.
Basudeb Sen

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Dear Sadhak,

Answer - There is no difference at all between Krishna and Shiva. Accept this
truth and you will start noticing progress in your spiritual journey.

Your servant,

Kali Sadhak

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Dear Sadaks,
I can give list of Human who turned to be saints living within family, could see
as Sri Krishna saw. Human body is said as "Dulabam" (Rare) which means you can
also get such occult powers. Chirst rose from death and obtained
non-destructible body., So also Sant Sakubai was cremated. She arose from ashes
by the grace of Bagavan Shiva. Read Sant Gyaneswar life history- he made the
wall fly on which he was sitting, he turned as bird to drink water from deep
well, he made buffalo speak like human, a saint in south turned brass to gold
and gold to brass, balayogi (I have video clip of him) of very recent years from
Visakapattinam, disappeared in thin air in presence of thousands of public and
in presence of scientist, police office F.G.Arul, Dy Commission of Andrapradesh.
You can turn your body to austral body.
B.S

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Please note that in mahabharat kaal Sanjay was also those eyes which can see the
entire picture of the war and can explain before king Dhrutraashtra . So it
becomes depend on the LORD .
Hariom.
Jugal Kishore Somani , Jaipur

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..............Without any prejudice and insinuation of any sort.....

Dear All,

I wud state here that what's being stated below and statements/views being
expressed having perhaps stated as authentic...is NOT GITA which in real terms
can not be understood without its comprehensive study and living through its
principles, like Giyana with ViGiyana. We are then only able just gathering
knowledge and be able to write and talks..... a common trait

Kishin Chandiramani

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The whole notion of demi-god is simply false. The use of God/god does not belong
in Hindu Dharma. Also the notion that any one Deity is The One is rank
fundamentalism and has no place in the grander body of Hindu Dharma. One's Ishta
Devata is A way and not The way.

In Dharma,
Swami Param

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Lord Maha Shiva is a demi-God? What is our knowledge or capacity level even to
assume or decide who is higher than the other. Lord Krisha is Avatara of Lord
Maha Vishnu and had specific role to play (Avatara Prayojanam). Avataras are a
partial capacities of Lord's original form. According to Vedic religion,
Trimurthis are equals. Though specific Puranas describe each one of them as
superior than the other two, not even Rishi/Munis could say who is more powerful
than the other. Please refrain from making 'demi-God' like comments.

Shyam

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If Hanuman can light up his tail and burn the whole of Lanka without setting his
arse on fire then anything is possible. Anil Mehra

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Have you heard story of Vishwamitra in which he creates the new planet? Using
his powers, he wanted to make this new planet as swarga. Later on, he agreed not
to do it upon request of Brahma and other devatas.

Agatsya drank the whole ocean. Before entering Agatsya's ashrama, Lord Ram
describes Agatsya as one of the most powerful person both spiritually and
materially. This passage is described in Valmiki Ramayana.

Shiva and Vishnu are both Gods. Shiva is not demigod. Ultimately, the same God
exhibits the power of creation from Brahma, the power of maintenance from Vishnu
and the power of destruction from Shiva. You should not see difference between
them.

You question shows that you do not have good knowledge of the position of Vishnu
and Shiva. Also, you don't have good understanding of the position of sages. You
can start with reading Swami Ramsukhdasji's Gita (Sadhak Sanjeevini).

Regards,
Murari Das

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The Shiva Pavati marriage or Shiva shakti union, I belief, is symbolic of the
Kundalini shakti from the muladhara Chakra (at the bottom of the Spine) rising
to the top of your cranium and unite with the Sahasrara chakra (Shiva). When
this Union happen the individual immerse in constant and total bliss (A thousand
time more blissful than sexual orgasm) and have a complete sense of detachment
of the body and ego. He is in total samadhi, do not care for the body. Due to
this imbalance an agent (Agastiyar or individual enlightened Consciousness, with
total awareness of cosmic consciousness) is sent to maintain the body while at
the same time enjoy the bliss and awareness as if he was in the north (Brahma
Chakra).

God Bless
\
Kishore

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Dear Sadhaks
In this Satsang, on one hand we discuss on all is God; on the other we talk
about Shiva being lesser than Krishna! We need to meditate on this.
Humbly
Veena
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Dear sir;
To start with by peole moving to one side of the earth (be it anywhere) there is
no imbalance generated. Earth is not a flat land pivoted on something. Only the
pivoting could create an inertia difference. The story is nothing but a means of
glorifying Maharishi Agastya.
Ravindra Koul

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Respected group members and Sri Muraridasji,

Hare Krsna,

Ananta indicates that there is nothing which is not covered by the influence and energy of Supreme Lord and Devasa means that he is the controller of all the demi-Gods and is above them all (chapter 11-37). Arjuna addressing Krsna all-pervading soul of every soul. No one can be greater than the supreme personality of Godhead krsna, because no one is equal to or higher than krsna within any manifestation spiritual or material. Everyone is below him. No one can excel him. This is stated in the svatasvatara upanisad(6,8). The Caitanya-Caritamrta upanisad(Adi:5.142) confirms ekala isvara krsna, ara sabha bhrtya" only krsna is God and everyone is His servant. Everyone is complying with his orders. There is no one who can deny His orders. Everyone is acting according to His direction being under his superintendence.
As stated in the Brahma-Samhita. He is the cause of all causes.

He is the origin of everyone born, and no one is greater than Him. He is asamaurdhva, which means that no one is superior to him and that no one is equal to Him. In the padma purana it is said that one who considers the supreme Lord Krsna in the same category with demigods-be they even Brama or Siva becomes at once atheist.

In Bhagavad-Gita (9-11) it is also confirmed, avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asaritam: He is not visible to the foolish person who deride him. Krsna 's body as confirmed by Brhma Samhita and confirmed by krsna himself in Bhagavad-gita is completely spiritual and full of bliss and eternality. His body is never like a material body.
Krsna is covered by yoga-maya potency. He is not to be seen or revealed to anyone and everyone. Only by one to whom He reveals Himslef can he be seen.

Here I am very glad to say that the great Super soul Lord Krsna has bestowed me with the capacity to see him in everything and anything - living and non-living things. (chapter 6,30)

After reading Bhagavad-Gita as It Is I have put the question how is it possible for saint Agasthier to witness the marriage that took place in far away place by staying under vanni maram. Only Lord Krsna's body is made of soul and He is there in any thing and everything. But the demi gods body are made up of material. It is not possible for them to present in anything and everything.

with namaskaram
S.Vaidyanathan

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