Wednesday, July 31, 2013

[gita-talk] Understanding Gita Chapter 2 /24

 

Shree Hari Ram Ram  

Can any sadhak please help translate this question for the benefit of other members.   Thank you !   Ram Ram   

प्रश्न : क्या आत्मा, शरीरी, स्वयं (SELF), पुरुष और आप, पर्यायवाची (synonymous) शब्द हैं? क्या सभी शब्द अनन्यतासे (uniquely) एक ही (only one) सत्ताको (being) बताते (point out करते) हैं?
यदि 'हाँ' तो SELF में भेद [PURE SELF / IMPURE SELF] और SOUL में भेद [EMBODIED SOUL/NON-EMBODIED PURE SOUL] कहाँसे आ गये?
गीता अध्याय 2 श्लोक 24 का (साधक-संजीवनीमें दिया) अर्थ : … यह (शरीरी) नित्य रहनेवाला, सबमें परिपूर्ण, अचल, स्थिर स्वभाववाला और अनादि है।क्या इन भेदोंको मना (deny) नहीं करता?  
गीता अध्याय 13 श्लोक 31 का (साधक-संजीवनीमें दिया) अर्थ : … यह पुरुष स्वयं अनादि और गुणोंसे रहित होनेसे अविनाशी परमात्मस्वरूप ही है। यह शरीरमें रहता हुआ भी न करता है और न लिप्त होता है। क्या इन भेदोंको मना (deny) नहीं करता? 
कृपया संक्षेपमें समझायें।
सविनय,
साधक
पुनश्च: समझमें नहीं आया, इसलिये पूछा है। किसीका विरोध करनेके लिये नहीं पूछा।  


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Hari Om

This is a habit of applying your intellect at that place where it is inapplicable. Actually , the problem is that of being too theoretical and not surrendering first to say Sadhak Sanjeevani and unnecessarily putting the intellect in between !!! What is the query in essence? The query is that of inability to understand as to how permanent,fixed, immovable , beginning less, unchangeable, attributeless element called SOUL can be an EMBODIED soul ( Jeevatma)  , can adopt the world , can incarnate in different bodies, can be said to be impure etc ?

Now let us pay attention. Just feel what you are reading. Look there is no dispute or contradiction in SOUL being what has been stated in SS 2:24 etc. soul is INACTIVE, FIXED, IMMOVABLE, .....but it is also CHETAN ( sentient). Understand first what is CHETAN. Chetan is that element which knows itself as well as others. CHETAN , thus has capability and power to EXPERIENCE.  Now what can AN INACTIVE element which knows itself as well as others do? Now understand what SOUL ( AATMA) is capable of doing ! It is INACTIVE, IT IS FIXED, IT IS IMMOVABLE...what can it do? When it is INACTIVE, how can it act? Now pay attention: It can ACCEPT (OR REJECT). How it can ACCEPT ? Is acceptance not doing ? No....acceptance is body less , does not have any use of body...it is SELF's SOLE AND THE ONLY CAPABILITY. Now this SOUL....inspite of being Fixed accepts itself to be moving, inspite of it being attribute less accepts itself to be with attributes, inspite of being ever blissful accepts itself to be sorrowful, inspite of being permanent and immortal accepts itself to be temporary and mortal, inspite of being EVER FREE, EVER LIBERATED, accepts itself to be BONDAGED. 

Now when you ACCEPT something to be you, and when your form is EXPERIENCE only...the acceptance generates suitable experience for you. Now Take famous, never outdated example of RAJJU AND SARPA ( Rope and Snake). There is a piece of rope lying on earth and there is darkness. You accept that to be a snake. Now that is rope not snake but since you have accepted that to be snake, it appears to you as snake...instantly fear, sweating, apprehension, anxiety etc shall become part of your direct experience. Acceptance generates experience...it is a law. Now that is not snake...only rope, but for you till darkness goes away, till somebody tells you the truth, till you apply for discrimination....it is snake !!!

Now ask Qs. You must read coolly the above first, must get yourself into understanding mode...must use intellect only where it is applicable and come back with focused Qs. Read Swamiji as much as you can on SVEEKRUTI ( acceptance). Read in particular, preferably after you get up from sleep, early morning...SAADHAN AUR SADHYA book of Swamiji ! There is so much of books by Him for you to read. 

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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you see body is made of five elements , so is this universe (prakruti. both are inert and perishable. and untrue (mythiya) while as soul, aatma, self are part ( ansha) of parmatma hence permanent, eternal and true. pursha referred herein refers to the parmatma, as there is only one pursha that is God. it is  wrong quote when we say soul as pure and impure. soul is pure  always. now last part of your question does not refer to the comon man's body  but Lord is talking about the body that he wore as Krishna. this statement confirms one reality that Avataar takes the human form willingly to fulfill some of the tasks He chooses to; while as the bodies of common persons are out of karma bhandhan. thus there is no contradiction., no confusion.

CK KAUL

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013

[gita-talk] Father - Son Relationship - Gita 11/44

 



Dear Sadhaks
Shloka 11:44 says "May You graciously bear with me, O Lord, as a father with his son, as a friend with his friend, as a lover with his beloved."
In real life, fathers do bear with their sons, but not graciously. Why the metaphor, that too while imploring before Lord himself?
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Hari Om

How can you forgive unless you are gracious ??. Important word in this SLOKA is " forgiveness". A Father forgives his son invariably. Here the meaning is: As a father forgives/ ignores the mistakes of his son ..or as a husband ignores/ forgives the mistakes of his wife....!!! Your " graciously bear with me" should mean " ignore/forgive me" just as one ignores/forgives the disrespectful conduct of son, wife or friend. There is no word in SLOKA which makes "gracious" prominent. Forgiveness itself is gracious. . Now come to this birth father. He also forgives. Similarly, God also forgives. The graciousness of This birth father and God , eternal father consists in their never DISOWNING you. Neither this birth father nor God ever disown you:

JUST AS: If a father has a criminal as his son, and police comes to his home and checks whether  Mr So and So is his son after arresting him for say any crime..then what shall be father's answer to police? It will be "yes...unfortunately he is my son". A Father will not disown you. He will never say to police : He is not my son. 

SIMILARLY: God never disowns you, even if you are the vilest sinner of all sinners.

Hence graceful forgiveness exists in both of them always. If this father rues and regrets sometimes having given birth to you ( as per you- becomes ungracious) then Eternal Father also rues and regrets ( BG 9:3 and BG 16:20). But that is regret only, never disowning. Grace consists in not disowning you.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B 

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साधक ने कहा : In real life, fathers do bear with their sons, but not graciously. Why the metaphor, that too while imploring before Lord himself?
अर्जुनके समय (उस युगमें) पिता (पुत्रके प्रति), मित्र (मित्रके प्रति) और पति (पत्नीके प्रति) उदार और सहनशील (क्षमावान) होते थे जो अब (what you see in real life today) बहुधा नहीं होते।
अस्तु।
सविनय,
साधक 

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Dear Veena,

You cannot make any generalization. May be you have been around with father who don't graciously bear with their sons!

Arjun did not say that all fathers bear their son graciously at all times. You need to understand the intention of Arjun. There are exceptions. 

As a general rule, not just human but also animals love their children and that love between family members is basis of happy family. If they don't, then family unit breaks and family won't be happy.

Regards,
Murari Das
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II  11:44  II


tasmātpraṇamya praṇidhāya kāyaṁ prasādaye tvāmahamīśamīḍyam
piteva putrasya sakheva sakhyuḥ priyaḥ priyāyārhasi deva soḍhum
 
Therefore, bowing down and prostrating my body before You, I implore You, adorable Lord to forgive me. May You graciously bear with me, O Lord, as a father with his son, as a friend with his friend, as a lover with his beloved.

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[gita-talk] We see, but ignorant. why?

 

Shree Hari  Ram Ram  

This brings closure to this thread !  Thank you all!  
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Namaste,
We see from cats and dogs suffering. We see humans sometimes very pathetic
states. Our pleasures are short lived compared to sufferings. Ex: Married just 5
years later- starts, child care, schooling of child, earning for security, no
time to prayer, even at old age 70/70 sadhabi/ bheema rati santhi etc. but value
or hided secrets behind it is swayed away, just inviting friends, families etc
laugh, enjoy and die. Again start it once again. How Buddha saw was different-
left all and seek utmost. Adi Sankara said,- our life is Dukha Dhosalayam. (life
is of sufferings) Any sadak take pen and note. How many minutes in a day we
enjoyed? How many hours we worked for that minutes pleasures? Even add in papers
show old age home with couple are glittering- but they do not pass on the
information old age home is Vanaprastha- Need to devote your last days fully in
seeking GOD.

We see all this, yet we remain ignorant, Why?

B.S

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To come to an understanding that we are suffering itself is a big sadhana!
Humbly
Veena

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Dear Sadhak,
Yes, we are suffering but we remain  ignorant. We see sufferings still we don't wake up and search for its reason like Budhha, we have sufferings , still our relations with God is based on fear or greed, we only ask HIM to give us what we think will remove our sufferings. Sufferings comes again and again, its inside and outside us, but we never cry for HIM,.Sad, but true.
ONLY when our sufferings reached to the peak and our inner truly & honestly cries out for HIM by saying "Ab Main Nacho Bahoot Goapala..." a Guru, and/or right knowledge happens in our life. Only then the TRUTH , unfold itself to us.
This is how suffering plays an important role in human life, and this is only reason suffering is created. Strangely after getting the knowledge,sufferings becomes totally unnecessary.
So as swamiji says---call out and say , "Only You are Mine, mere to Girdhar gopal, Dusra na koi " O Lord , ONLY you are mine, have exclusive mineness with HIM, cry for HIM as a baby cries for mother...and rest will be done on you !!!
Love,
Sadhna

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श्री बसुदेब सेनजी!
जब तक our mind, our body, we do आदि रहेगा, क्रियाओं ( by submitting and surrendering all that we do) का समर्पण नहीं होगा। स्वामीजीने समर्पणका सरल उपाय  बताया है : ''जो भी समर्पण करना है, उसे अपना मत मानो। बस हो गया समर्पण। इसमें क्या कठि नाई है? हो तो  बताओ।''
जानकारीमें था, इसलिये share किया गया।
सविनय,
साधक  

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Jai Hanuman

The questioner is certainly not in ignorance,  ! It is one of very pertinent Qs on this Divine Forum. sadhaks should seriously address the Q rather than indulging in mere blame game. Once Jeeva has positioned himself in Prakruti , the experience of Sukha - Dukha is natural, automatic and effortless. What ignorance is going to do there? Read Gita 13:19 to 21....read and find out reason ! Remember: Ignorance is not in others, if you see the same in others, most certainly it lies in you. It is a law. You can see fault in others ONLY when you yourself have that fault. You have a goal of Vasudev Sarvam experience. Right ? How can you blame the questioner to be ignorant ? You can not , unless ignorance lies with you, Yourself. 

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee
Shashikala 

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Hari Om

This is my second response in same posting. It is to Sadhak Dharmendra Sharma. I appreciate really your observations. But I must say that so long as you maintain affinity with body ( we all do so, are doing so), it is the PURE SELF AND PURE SELF ONLY AND NO ONE EXCEPT PURE SELF that is suffering sorrows. That pure self / true self is ever blissful, this is LEARNING ( SEEKHANA), but that it suffers is EXPERIENCE !!!! Since I find you to be genuinely interested in truth, let me state that PURE SELF has only one power- to accept/ reject. Once you accept something, the experience of the same is automatic and effortless, ...and certain. All religions, all scriptures target Jeeva ( embodied soul) not pure soul. Gita also targets Jeeva only and not pure self. The characteristics of pure self are stated in Gita and Scriptures to encourage you to move towards that. Experience is the sole and the only dharma of pure soul !!! Ever-blissfulness is also experience only. One who experiences ever blissfulness ...experiences sorrows also...and experience comes to you when you ACCEPT . Scriptures give you example of snake seen in the rope. So long as you accept snake in place of rope, the experience of fear will be felt by you. That it is rope and not snake remains always the truth, but the experience of fear continues in you till you accept snake and not rope...irrespective of what is truth. Similarly, though the real nature of you is always ever blissful ness ( example : rope) but so long as you have accepted affinity with the world , sorrows are experienced by you ( example: acceptance of snake in a rope). 

People often say : Do not accept sorrows in you. Is it in your hands ? No...! Experience of sorrows is EFFECT ( result). You have to address the CAUSE. Cause is wrong acceptance. Once you accept correctly, once you detach from inert, once you reject affinity with body/ world...then only sorrows will cease. Remedy is not non acceptance of sorrows in you, remedy is non acceptance of your affinity with DUKHALAYAM !!! Clear ?  But when you reach that stage of getting detached from inert , then the very need for religion, scriptures, Gita , duty etc all cease and in that case world ceases to be world for you, and then all the talks and deliberations which we are making become irrelevant, useless !!! Hence to believe while maintaining affinity with body/world/nature/inert that there is no sorrow to pure self is stupidity, theoretical and sense less...because pure self continues to suffer. Who else except pure self is sentient ? Actually, pure self only suffers and no one else. Neither body suffers, nor mind, nor ego ...only pure self suffers. 

This is very subtle subject. Feel free to ask questions. Do not say ever again : Pure Self does not suffer. It only suffers and no one else. Rest all are inert. Get detached from world and THAT is ONLY ONLY ONLY way of " realising" your ever blissful nature. There is no other way...there is no other way...!!! Ask Qs on this. All who advice you otherwise, are giving you wrong advice...Non sensical utterances. What I have written here is in conformity with all Scriptures and of course, with teachings of Param Shraddheya Swamiji Shri Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. You may ask Qs on this too. 

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B 

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Hari: Om,
 
Because they do not learn any lesson from others' sufferings or experiences and think that such things will never happen to them. Ignorance, ego and illusion are the causes for these people to remain undaunted. If they just ponder over the words of Adi Shankaracharya in Bhajagovindam "Nalineedalagatajalamatitaralam, Tadvajjeevitamatishayachapalam....." (life is full of surprises and uncertainties like a dew drop on a lotus leaf in a pond....),  then only such people could be awakened to realities of life until then they will be guided by their ignorance, ego and illusion.
Mohan Nair

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Hari Om

The statement and question by Sadhak BS can not be said to be wrong or pessimistic by any yardstick ! There is nothing wrong in understanding of the questioner...absolutely nothing wrong. I agree that this world is DUKHALAYAM. It is so...by any yardstick. Gita says so...SHRUTI, YUKTI AND ANUBHUTI say so. Scriptures say so. Saints say so. Our direct experience says so. It is deliberately made by God to be so ! Where is doubt on this ?  It is our dis respect to VIVEKA that we can't appreciate this simple thing. Gita categorically states - ANITYAM ASUKHAM LOKAM IMAM PRAPYA BHAJASVA MAAM ( 9:33)- You have got temporary and happiness-less world, now turn towards Me..says Lord Krishna. We may call even Lord Krishna to be pessimistic...the tongue does not have bone, but as Miraji Dass stated, that does not change the truth. What an astonishing world !!! How easily one forgets or avoids the plain truths? When shall we learn to understand the truth as truth? How does a man cheat himself? Yes...understanding Truth as Truth only is JNANA. Why don't we accept what we already know? Each and every word stated by BS is plain truth. One who does not understand this plain thing does so only at his own peril. 


Yes...getting engrossed in family etc beyond a particular limit is not God's work. It is wastage and stupidity. It is not correct either. You MUST detach from family, friends, son, home, if  not physically, but definitely sentimentally... you MUST. That is Gita. Does God not know that He resides in all? Yes...! Still Lord says in 13:9...ASAKTAH ANABHISHWANGA PUTRA DAAR GRIHA ADI SHU...( Get detached from wife, son , home etc) ! Why does Gita say so? Is Gita pessimist ? No...! It is necessary. God is in all, is everywhere. So what ? One of the VIBHUTI of God as stated in Chapter 11 is that He is present in gambling also. Should you then gamble also? That is why concept of Vasudev Sarvam needs to be imparted to qualified ones only. Utter chaos can result if the theme that all is God is practiced and understood this way. There was a genuine query by Sadhak B S , appropriately captioned. Look how it has been twisted and interpreted under the garb of Vasudev Sarvam !!! What was the answer to him? That he is pessimist...that his understanding was wrong ? HA...!!! Humble Sadhak , therefore, has raised perfect issue.

Shocking...astonishing...astounding indeed !!!!  Humble Sadhak has very rightly observed and so have majority of Sadhaks. This is Gita Talk Forum...here only TRUTH prevails...nothing else except truth. My Pranaams to Sadhaks of this Forum. They never let false prevail !!!

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:23 pm 
yes as swami vivekananda was telling root cause for all our problems  is IGNORANCE, we should open our inner eyes, like the blind, see how  intelligent they are  god bless you  swamiji - SWAMI KRISHNANANDA 
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:45 am 

Dear Sadaks,
My humble sharing with Sadaks as one for purely for Gyana.
One Sadaks said,
[So as swamiji says---call out and say , "Only You are Mine, mere to Girdhar gopal, Dusra na koi " O Lord , ONLY you are mine, have exclusive mineness with HIM, cry for HIM as a baby cries for mother...and rest will be done on you ] The answer:- This is total concept of Geetha. But then Why Sri Krishna told Arjuna to wage war? Arjuna could have killed those who opposed him without Sri Krishna telling. But the weakness of Arjuna was, discrimination to perform Dharma. My uncle, my relatives, my guru was wrong discrimination, while they were ready to kill arjuna. So as respected Vyasji said, Arjuna was taught that Giridhar was only his. God is within us- Ref many scripts, upanashids- particularly Keno Upanashid. We need not call out for God outside when HE is within us.
Mother Meera poison was taken over by God. Sri Ramakrishna cancer had least affected due to God within swamiji. Sri Ramana Rishi tumor was cut and operated without any anesthesia. So suffering was not there for them. We suffer due to non realization of GOD within us. We will continue to live with relatives, family etc but when GOD within us, we remain detached that which others cannot know.
One Sadak says, [It is deliberately made by God to be so ! getting engrossed in family etc beyond a particular limit is not God's work. It is wastage and stupidity.
We are only travelers,  short timers, guests] Answer:- God never makes sufferings or happiness. We make due to vasanas.Once our Pap and puniyas deleted, we never come back as traveler. But we come back as traveler numerous times and not fedup.  
One Sadaks says, [Body, Mind etc are part of Nature's product and subject entirely to Natural processes. The Sun burns all the hile for billions and trillions of years but do not complain of suffering]  Body, mind are product of our karmas, not natures. If we indulge mostly in sex, eat without tongue control, we produce certain Karmas for next travel as PIG. Pig can eat even human waste with taste, indulge in deep sex etc. The pig has no intellect, so its actions are claimed as it did. So vasanas deleted and once again human. Sun, earth etc are part of prakurthi- Jada Vastu. It does what it is designed for and dissolves in Maha Pralaya.
One sadak says, [The answer is simple. Illusion or Maaya] Ans:- Correct. That is what Geetha says not to get tangled in maya. Due to maya, many at Kedarrinath cried and after few weeks stops crying and enjoy. Look at this maya and when escape?
 
 
One Sadak says, [B.S. thinks that getting married, taking care of children, providing the knowledge, food and shelter etc are not part of seeking God] Answer- It is part of GOD to do our duty, but do with devotion and Dharma. Sri Krishna married and had children. But after war, when Abimanyu wife deliver a dead child (Parikshid). The dead child was placed by Sri Krishna feet. HE said, “If I am nithya Bhramachari, may this child get back lifeâ€. This meant HE was unattached to HIS family but lived with them as we all live.
One sadak says, [ holy mother sharada devi, wife of sri ramakrishna paramahamsa
always said grief is the gift of god, we come to this world to suffer,suffering makes us strong] Sufferings are our credits and happiness are our debits. So my query was when we will seek NO credits/debits.
One sadaks says, [One who wants to see will see. It is not at all difficult. The happiest time one spends is during deep sleep at night.Then one comes in direct contact and the experience of that time is never known anything other than "what a nice sleep" can we see that period as a video?]  You are totally cut off from all sense organs during deep sleep. But how you say, “What a nice sleep� That sense of feeling is conveyed by Paramathuma with you at vacuum space near heart. So we see sufferings and feel nice sleep. The choice of nice sleep feelings in permanency is Samadhi/mukthi.  
One sadak says, [Same way, this world has both states - sukh and dukh. Unfortunately, you have pessimistic view and you have presented one sided view of world as full of suffering] Ans:-Normal nature of living things are to complaint suffering and quiet about enjoyment. We share our greetings, happiness, celebrations etc with pomp and show. But suffering we cannot share. So get out of suffering is the concept of Buddha.
One Sadak says, [You and the world is bound as a singular process, enclosed process, the complete, self-sustained process-including what you dislike and like, fear and cherish. Mind comes under the illusion as if something does not belong to it and is to be thrown out. You can not throw the discomfort out of your mind; there is no place to throw it out. When you see this, you are supremely relaxed-as you have seen yourself as a complete process] Ans:- By seeing as singular process, and getting satisfied, you remain in that process over several births. But what great saints say is, get out of this singular process, and be part of GOD with unending bliss. If we note by a pad,  sufferings are larger part when compared to happiness.
B.S.
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Shree Hari  

Yudhishtir said one of the most astounding things is that even though everything is moving away towards destruction and people are dying all around us, yet each one thinks that he will remain. Let us look at our own lives. How many have left us ? It is the Truth.   We are only travelers,  short timers, guests.  We will be leaving this place soon !    

This world is "dukhaalaya", an abode of sorrow.   Understanding the Truth as Truth is Jnanayog (discipline of knowledge). In Gita, God has said "samattvam yog uchhyate"   

Let us remain established in equanimity, in this truth.   All pairs of opposites are in the world.  We are unaffected by all of these.   
Meera Das,  Ram Ram 

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श्री मुरारीदासजी, श्री B.S. के प्रति आपका कथन ''B.S. thinks that getting married, taking care of children, providing the knowledge, food and shelter etc are not part of seeking God.'' उन्हें भले ही स्वीकार हो, साधकको स्वीकार नहीं। यह उनकी thinking नहीं है, observation है जो हममेंसे  बहुतोंका भी है। उनका प्रश्न यह है कि इन सब धन्धोंमें व्यस्त रहनेपर हम  प्रार्थनाके लिये  अलगसे समय नहीं निकाल पाते, इसकी अनदेखी करते हैं? आखिर क्यों?
इसका उत्तर उन्हें चाहिये। और अब साधकको भी चाहिये [क्योंकि साधक भी इसी phase से गुजर चुका है]
सविनय,
साधक 
 
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Body, Mind etc are part of Nature's product and subject entirely to Natural processes. The Sun burns all the hile for billions and trillions ofyears but do not complain of sufferring. The planet Earth orbits the Sun and spin itself uncessantly all the while without complaining of suffering. Water moves from place to place around the World in different forms without complaint of suffering. We human beings only complain of suffering and desires to have pleasure all the time. This has been implanted in us by Nature. Our knowledge is limited by Nature and our ignorance therefore in infinite. There is however a silver lining that we ultimately realize that pleasures are rare and suffering is the overwhelming dominant part of our lives. Since we realize this it is possible to start practicing seeking pleasure and happiness from life and becoming steadfast in experiencing suffering. This might help us become immune to suffering and seeing all events and happenings as of no consequence to us. And, this can be done only by submitting and surrendering all that we do, think and experience to God/ the Creator without owning up any thing of these as our individual experience. Then both pleasures and happiness as well as sufferings - all no longer perturbs are mind except for a second - all fears and anxities and pains go away from our mind's recognition. Nature has given this trait to some men and women. We can just try to follow their lives and words. Life of Krishna  and His words in Gita can help us on our efforts to get detached from all events, happenings, and experiences of different kind. They will not stick on our minds just as nutrinos pass continuously through our bodies but do not stick to the bodies.
Basudeb Sen

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जो सभी योनियोंमें आपको जो दुःख-भोग दिखायी दे रहा है, वास्तवमें वह ''दुःखका जाना'' [passing away of grief] है। असली दुःख प्रतिकूल परिस्थितियाँ नहीं, अपितु ''सुखकी कामना'' है, जिसे त्यागनेके लिये गीतामें कहा गया है। अब मरजी आपकी।
अस्तु. सविनय,
साधक 

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Dear Sadhakas,
Hare Krishna.

This is in response to a question from a Sadhaka, regarding why we remain ignorant.

The answer is simple. Illusion or Maaya.

Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita,

" Daivi hy esha guna mayi 
Mama maya duratyaya
  Mam eva ye prapadyante
  Mayaam etam taranti te."
        Gitaji ( 7, 14)

which means,
" This Divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome.
But those surrender unto Me can easily cross it.".

This material world is an illusion or maaya.  Lord Krishna is the master of illusory energy hence He says in this slokam " Mama eva" which means He only.  He only can help us get through this. Only through devotional service we can overcome the miseries of materialism.

Thank You.

Prasad A.Iragavarapu, MD

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B.S. thinks that getting married, taking care of children, providing the knowledge, food and shelter etc are not part of seeking God.

That is not correct understanding. Actually, all work are God's. Due to ignorance, we divide work as God's and not God's. But everything is God's. As soon as we accept this truth, all work which was already God's become God's. 

So, accept all work as God's and do work as worship to people in whom God resides. 

You might not agree with what I have written. If not, please ask question.

Regards,
Murari Das

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Hari Om

We "see" , but remain ignorant ! Why ? Because "seeing" takes place but not acceptance. We know many things, but do we admit or accept that knowledge ? A smoker very well knows that smoking is bad, but does he/she accepts that ? No....! When we see others suffering , instead of looking at world's inherent property of being DUKHALAYAM, we try to attribute reasons like karma, time etc. Secondly, we do not pay respect to VIVEKA. Thirdly, we use outer eye not inner eye. Fourthly, we have a habit ( SVABHAV) and desire of deriving pleasure out of what is "seen"( world) and that blinds us from appreciating the fact that what we see happening to others is most likely rather certain to happen with us also. Finally, the tools on which we rely in arriving at our observations/ appreciation of world are themselves worldly only, like intellect, ego, mind, sense organs, body etc. Those tools while we foolishly consider them to be " me/mine" , actually belong to world ( Prakruti) only and owe allegiance to world only, and we don't use VIVEKA. 

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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yes holy mother sharada devi, wife of sri ramakrishna paramahamsa
always said grief is the gift of god, we come to this world to suffer,
suffering makes us strong
dont worry everything will be okay
god bless you
swamiji - SWAMI KRISHNANANDA 

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Namaste.
People are wandering because definition of God itself is incorrect.

JAWAHAR GORADIA

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One who wants to see will see. It is not at all difficult. The happiest time one spends is during deep sleep at night.Then one comes in direct contact and the experience of that time is never known anything other than "what a nice sleep" can we see that period as a video?

Barin Chatterjee

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You can look at as half full or half empty. One is optimist and one is pessimist. If you want to be follower of truth, then see glass as both.

Same way, this world has both states - sukh and dukh. Unfortunately, you have pessimistic view and you have presented one sided view of world as full of suffering.

This world has states - which can be perceived as sukh and dukh. Self is beyond these states. So, ignorance is to let these states affect you. That is what you are doing. Aren't you in ignorance?

Instead of developing aversion towards these states of world, be equanimous and be happy in all these states. All the circumstances you have described cannot make you unhappy. Instead be happy and help others to do the same.

Regards,
Murari Das
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Apart from immediate danger to your life, all discomforts you are experiencing are psychological discomforts.
Once you see this, supreme relaxation takes over.
To touch the Original you have to take one step- ‘to quieten the clamouring mind which says, ‘why this is so’, ‘why this is not so’. The quietening has to happen without the support of any idea, explanation. You and the world is bound as a singular process, enclosed process, the complete, self-sustained process-including what you dislike and like, fear and cherish. Mind comes under the illusion as if something does not belong to it and is to be thrown out. You can not throw the discomfort out of your mind; there is no place to throw it out. When you see this, you are supremely relaxed-as you have seen yourself as a complete process.

Now you are one with Existence 'as it is'.
All issues ‘about Existence’ drop. Ecstasy happens.

Y V Chawla

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Dear BS ji,

if we ask to our inner self (the feeling self and not the thinking brain) that when will we die, the answer will be never.

if we ask to our inner self that since when we are living, the answer will since forever.

Finally if we ask to the same inner self , that whether we would face sufferings and hardships in future, the answer will be No, Never.

Is this our "मोह" towards life or is it the Reality ?

The answer is that it is the Reality, because,


We, our true self is not the sufferer, it was never born and would never die, the body and mind which suffer are different from our true self.

न जायते मॠरियते वा कदाचिनॠनायं भूतॠवा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नितॠयः शाशॠवतोऽयं पॠराणो न हनॠयते हनॠयमाने शरीरे ॥

And the true nature of our self is unending bliss, and consciousness. then how come that feel the fear of sufferings in the near future.

आननॠदमॠपॠरगॠयानमॠबॠरहॠम

all these sufferings are felt by our "सॠथूल शरीर" and "सूकॠछॠम शरीर" and not by our pure self, therefore we can not see any suffering, any death or anything bad for us in near future. 


Regards


Dharmendra Sharma
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