Saturday, June 15, 2013

[gita-talk] Re: What exactly Bhagwan wants us to Do in Chapter 9 called as Rajvidya?


Dear Sadhaka,

i have two queries regarding 9th adhyaya of Gita Ji.

First query is here.

Bhagwan says "Rajvidya rajguhyam pavitramidam uttamam, pratyakshavgamam dharmyam
susukham kartum avyayam"

here Bhagwan has not said GYATUM, istead he says KARTUM.

Question: What exactly Bhagwan wants us to Do in this chapter which is called as

with warm regards

Dharmendra Sharma


Real Raj-Vidya is to chant Hari Nam. In the beginning it can be 10 mins. in the morning and 10 mins. in the evening. These 2 times are known as Sandhi-Kala or Sandhya. They are when day passes into night and night passes into day. At that time, it is easy to calm down the chattering mind a little bit and join it with chanting of Hari-nam. Later on as practice develops, 2 Ekadashi remain on fruit diet, do some Swadhyaya and then spend some more time on chanting Hari Nam. Slowly increase the time and duration and when retiring from active life, one can have ceaseless chanting of Hari Nam.
Gandhiji when he was 6 or 7 yrs., old was taught to chant Ram-Nam by his maid servant and later in the turmoil of freedom struggle, he writes that one of the source of his strength was chanting of Ram-Nam whenever there was no visitor. He says that one of the principle strength in his prolonged and risky political career was Ram Nam. Even when he was shot down by the assassin, last words which were uttered by him was He Ram.
Same is the case with Ram-Krishna Paramhansa whose strength came from constant chanting. This being very simple, people ignore it as superstition. Hence, Bhagwan has called this Vidya - Guhya - i.e. not so evident. It is also Raj Vidya, because it makes you the master or king of your own consciousness. When that state comes, Kings come and bow before that person. Famous example is of Tukaram Maharaj who by only chanting the name of Vithal acquired such an enormous spiritual strength, that Shivali Maharaj sent Palkhi to honourfully bring him to Royal Court. It is said that Shivali Maharaj did Charan Sparsh of Tukaram Maharaj before he entered the court.
Entire ch.9 is the essence of any true religious practice. I have only dealt with ending verse 'man-mana bhav.... But entire chapter is to be studied repeatedly every month. More so in Chaturmasa or on Ekadashi day. Results will be astounding. Only caution is Patience and the capital required in this business is 'Perseverance'
Jayantilal Shah


Respected Sadhakas,
i am sharing here what i understood about 9th adhyaya by the grace of Pujya
Shri Hanuman Prasad Poddar Ji. Kindly correct me if i am wrong.

in the beginning of the chapter Bhagwan describes the cardinal feature of
Rajvidya as "susukham kartum", means it is very easy to be followed.

actually there are two points in the initial two shlokas, one is "yajgyatva" in
first shloka, that means after knowing that.

So Rajvidya is about knowing something and to practically follow it and it is
very easy and pleasurable to do so.

We should not confuse Rajvidya with Advait sadhan, or Gyan yog (although these
are very divine and highly enlighting paths), because in 12 th chapter Bhagwan
says' "Avyakta hi gatir dukham dehavadbhih avaapyate" means the sadahana of
avyakta Brahman is vey difficult. But here in 9th Chapter Bhagwan says about
Rajvidya as "Susukham kartum". therefore Sadhana of avyakta, nirakar can not be
mentioned as Rajvidya. (it may be better or equal to Rajvidya, here nothing is
against any particular Sadhana maarg, but it is an inquiry into the true meaning
of Gita with an open mind and heart)

I would like to share some insights regarding the Knowledge part and the Action
part in the next postings.


(as understood by the grace of Pujya Shri Hanuman Prasad Ji Poddar)
Shri Krishnarpanamastu


Answer to 1: to perform (kartum) and not only for knowing (Gyatum) ;
Answer to 2: This is the king of all the yogas which leads Sadhak to understand the result "here and now" itself.
According to me, one has to learn the technique initially from Guru.

Barin Chatterjee


Jai Shri Hari,

Respected Sadhakas,

The knowledge part (up to 10 th shloka) is well described in all the tikas
except one point.

and that point is that in shloka 5 the meaning of "Pashya me yogmaishvaram" is
not explained in right perspective. (from the perspective of common man).

The right explanation from the perspective of common man like me is as follows:

"all this creation is originated from God and he is there in every thing and
everthing is in him (as said in the 7th chapter also "mattah partaram na anyat
kinchidasti Dhananjay"). But despite being so i am not present in them and they
CREATION BY THE MIGHT OF MY YOGMAYA". (as Bhagwan also mentioned at some other

This fact was not delineated in other tikas as per my knowledge because all the
tikas are mostly written by God-realised saints. and from the vision of saints
the God is always manifest in everything, God is never hidden, it is manifest in

But a common man like me, can not see the God in a piece of clay(although it is
very much present there). and moreover The characteristic feature of God is that
he is full of love, bliss and knowledge, but i see none of these value in a
piece of clay in what ever way i examine it. (it is manifest only for the
enlightened souls, including Gyani, Yogi and Bhakta).


Then what should a common man do realizing God in everything with Gyandrishti is

Humble regards

Shri Krishnarpanamastu

Jai Shri Hari,

beyond the shloka 10 also everything is clearly explained in all the tikas. and
i would like to bring only few points about the sequence and flow of the
teaching by Bhagwan Shri Krishna, so that it would be easy to grasp the crystal
clear message of the Adhyaya.

1. In Shloka 13 and 14 Bhagwan describes the sadhana of premi Bhaktas, and in 15
th shloka he describes that how other people do sadhana by different paths.

16 TO 19.

What do you think is the purpose of Bhagwan in ennumerating his vibhutis here so

in Shloka 13-14 Bhagwan first describes that after knowing me
"Sarvabhutamaheshvar", (as described up to shloka 10) those who are great souls
do my ANANYA BHAKTI. (here the word ananya is to be kept in mind). in 15 th
shloka he further says that my sadhana is also done by other means by other
people, including gyan, yagya, veda, etc.
Now in the shlokas 16 - 19, Bhagwan wants to convey to Bhakta (in an indirect
way) that you need not be distracted by so many other sadhanas because, only i
am there in everything followed in those sadhans, i am veda, i am yagya, i am
mantra, i am aahuti, i am tapa and whatever other path you want to follow only
me and me is there in every sadhan.

So why to stray here and there come direct to me with Shraddha, and do my ananya

and subsequently he says that practicing the other dharmas either may be
difficult and some of them may not give you Moksha (shloka 20, 21, 24, 25). and
on the other hand to practice my Bhakti is very easy, even if you offer me a
fruit, water or even leaf with heartfelt love, i accept that with pleasure, and
by doing my Bhakti you will achieve me. (Shlokas: 25, 26)

Ananya Bhakti of Bhagwan is called here as Rajvidya in this adhyaya, and how it
is done, and some more insights in next posting.

Humble Pranam

(As understood by the grace of Pujya Shri Hanuman Prasad Ji Poddar)

tvadiya vastu Govind tubhyamev samarpaye
Shri Krishnarpanamastu


Jai Shri Hari,

If we see carefully the preaching style (वर्णन
शैली) of Bhagwan in this chapter, it is descriptive
(विवरणात्मक) up to
the shloka 26, but after that the style becomes instructive

there are only four instructive shlokas
श्लोक) in this chapter (shloka number 27, 31, 33,
34) in which Bhagwan orders to Arjuna, that O Arjuna! do my Bhakti, do my Bhakti
and do my Bhakti. no other order is given by Bhagwan in this chapter.

So it is very clear that, the meaning of
कर्तुं " is none other than
"अनन्य भक्ति".

Now the question may arise, then why Bhagwan has described his avaykta svarup in
the beginning of the chapter?

The answer is that without knowing the true form of Bhagwan, continuous and
ananya bhakti is not possible. We should have shraddha that although we can not
see Bhagwan in every thing but he is very much there in everything. So with this
understanding, doing all the worldly duties as the service of Bhagwan is the
meaning of verse 27, which is the first instructive shloka of this chapter.
(Bhakti + Gyan + Nishkam karma).

(and as a result of bhakti, Bhagwan gives his Gyan to the Bhakta, as described
in 10th chapter shlokas 10-11)

the gist of 9th adhyaya is again highlighted in beginning of 10th adhyaya up to
the 11th shloka.

Humble Pranam

As understood by the grace of Pujya Shri Hanuman Prasad Ji Poddar

Tvadiya vastu Govind tubhyamev samarpaye


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