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[gita-talk] Re: How to stay in this discriminatory state?

 

Hari Om

how to stay in this discriminatory state?

thank you for posting this truth of all truths

Sophia

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|| Shri Hari
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Discrimination between the Real and the Unreal
(सत्‌-असत्‌का
विवेक)

18th May 2013, Saturday,
Vaishakh Shukla Ashthami, Vikram Samvat 2070, Shanivaar

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The unreal is continuously disappearing into oblivion. But the real (essence,
tattva) that understands the disappearing process of the unreal (perishable,
temporary), the existence of that real "Essence," never changes into unreal.
The true reality never disappears into non-existence.

All are naturally established in that eternal reality, therefore no one
experiences absence of one's own reality at any moment of time. That real
substance transcends all climes, times, beings, persons, things, states,
incidents and circumstances etc. By giving significance to the unreal
appearances, an individual fails to realize his natural establishment in the
eternal reality. It means that the assumption of the unreal as real prevents
the acceptance of the fundamental reality.

Here there can be a doubt that when the unreal has no real existence, then why
does it appear so real (i.e. appears to exist) ? The explanation is that those
tools - senses, mind, intellect and ego by which the unreal is seen as real are
also of the same kind (unreal in
nature). The essence is that if one does not identify himself (atma) with the
unreal objects (body, senses, mind, intellect and ego etc.), then there is no
unreal. There is real and only real. If a person does not identify the self
with the unreal, then the unreal has no existence at all, but only the real
exists. The real has never seen the unreal in the same way just as the sun has
never seen darkness. This has been described from the point of view of
discrimination.

If we look from the angle of devotion, then the unreal
world is the creation of Nature and Nature is the power of God. Being the
power of God, the Nature and its evolutes are in fact God's manifestation;
because the power cannot have its separate existence from the powerful. Just as
we cannot see the brown, black or white skin color of physical body separated
from the body, similarly we also cannot visualize the awakened, dream and sound
sleep states separate from the human body. Similarly we cannot look at nature
separate from God. An individual can live without his powers (i.e. strength,
energy, intelligence, skill, capability etc.) but the power cannot sustain
itself without the powerful. Similarly God can exist without power and God
does exist,* but the power cannot live without God. The conclusion is that
power is dependent on Almightly God, but God is not dependent on the power.

Power has no independent existence without the powerful, but the powerful has
independent existence without power. Therefore being the power of God, nature
lacks its own independent existence i.e. there is nothing else besides God.
Therefore God has said - "sadsacchaahumarjun" (Gita 9/19). "Vasudevah Sarvam"
(Gita 7/19).

"All is God" - this is the Supreme Principle of Bhagavad Gita, where all the
differences disappear because all differences arise out of subtle ego while
there is not even the smallest iota of ego in "Vasudevah sarva
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From book in Hindi "Amartaa ki Aur" and in English "Discovery of Immortality
and Truth" by Swami Ramsukhdasji.

FOR MESSAGE IN HINDI PLEASE VISIT -

http://www.satcharcha.blogspot.com/
Date : 17th May, 2013 -
(सत्‌-असत्‌का
विवेक)

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Starting with partial recitation of Rama Nama, making it as continuous as
possible is the way to remain in this discriminatory state. Nama Smaran is the
best remedy in this kali Yuga. Again do not forget Verse 25, Ch.10 of Geeta
which states that 'Yagnanam japa Yagnaha Asmi'. This was the favourite advice of
Gandhiji to Ashram Inmates at Ahmedabad during his imprisonment in Yervada Jail
to maintain their spirit.
Jayantilal Shah

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Accept that matter always changes. Body and mind continuously change (self always remains same).

You need to let go of insistence of staying in discriminatory state. Mind wants to hang on to mental state and wants it to stay. Even mental state goes through change.

So, accept the changes of body, mind and outside world. Be in your natural state after you have accept this fact.

Continue to treat others including yourself with love, respect, care and service. Be happy and give happiness to others. In due course of time, you will attain state whatever you are supposed to attain.

Regards,
Murari Das

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Dear Sadhak,
You have no option but to live in this discriminatory world until the body is worn-out. Therefore, apply your viveka (discriminatory power) when in conflict with the situation. For one who has cleansed his inner personality with the eternal values (Sanatana Dharma) as enshrined in our scriptures (a definite prerequisite), then to face twantas (dualities), i.e. to distinguish bad from good, happiness from unhappiness, success and failures, loss and gain etc. etc., and to consider them just as passing shows will not be difficult and life will go-on undisturbed.
With best wishes,
Mohanair

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Practice dispassion and other afirmation like:


Daily Affirmation, nay hourly Affirmation:
I am not this Body
I am a peaceful soul
I am a Blissful Soul
I am embodiment of Love
I am a Divine Being,
Untouched by all the melodramas,
Of this world.
I am eternal, blissful Consciousness,
Ever Free.
Recite it, Listen to it, Feel it & Be it.

KHARCHARAN

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Everyone can stay in this discriminatory state (because everyone ever stays in
it by virtue of being to BE) by NOT staying in NON-discriminatory state (i.e.
believing one is NOT in discriminatory state) as Swamijee says,''isamen koee
udyog naheen karanaa hai, pratyut keval 'naheen' kee asveekruti karanee hai.''
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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How to stay in this discriminatory state?

Don't worry about 'how to stay in that discriminatory state?'
Swameejee says,''once that state happens to be, it remains for ever.''
But that state is not the result of any doing, except the acceptance that it IS
so.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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Hari Om

Develop a habit in you of being equanimous. You shall then easily stay in the
discriminatory state. This message from Revered Swamiji is about VIVEKA (
Discrimination). VIVEKA awakens in you by two things...1. Satsanga ( Company
with Truth ) 2. Sorrows. Each human gets its share of sorrows in this world
which is abode of sorrows only. You are already a part of this Divine Satsanga
Forum. Hence develop a habit of seeing the world EQUANIMOUSLY ( without favour
or bias) .

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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To see the total field of existence is the point. Senses see, touch, listen and
so on, breathing in and out is going on, there is memory and imagination and
thoughts arising in the mind. Anger, fear, anxiety, happiness are the
expressions of Life to keep the mind alive. This is the format of Life. Now
there is continuous unpredictable change in the field of senses. You are at rest
only when you see the total field of existence. Otherwise, one is simply carried
away by thoughts (what you call unreal) as if thought is all important.
Y V Chawla

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HAS ANY BODY WHO IS IN THE GOVERNANCE THOUGHTOF HOW TO BE IMPARTIAL AND GOD FEARING? THAT IS WHY INDIAN MYTHOLOGY AND HISTORY ARE KEPT AT BAY AND POWER&MONEY HOLDERS RULE AS PER THE WISH .GOD ONLY THAT IS WHY REINCARNATES IN INDIA.

N. Panda

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