Wednesday, May 29, 2013

[gita-talk] Re: Why good people hurt others in Puranic stories?

 

Since my mother is visiting at my house, I have got Zee TV. TV shows of Zee TV
are soap operas which are full of jealousy, duplicity, cheating and basically,
people hurting each other. My mind started hurting after watching those shows.
My mother mentioned that Puranic stories are full of such incidences. For
example, step mothers of Jarasandha cut him into two halves and threw him away.
The father of Dhruva, Uttanpada, mistreated his own son. Valmiki Ramayana
describes how Kaikeyi will treat Kausalya with disrespect as she was favorite
wife of Dasarath. She continued to give me many instances of such behavior.

I am an ordinary person and I don't hurt people around me. Why do these great
people in Puranas hurt others?

Regards,
Murari Das

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Whether we are hurt or we aren't hurt by such incidences described in those
books, the incidences of the past won't change and can't be changed. Better is
to let the bygones be bygones and take care of the present. No use spoiling the
present for the yesterday (can't be changed) or for the tomorrow (yet to come).
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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Hari Om

Those who hurt others can not be called great or good people. Your mind will not get hurt watching TV shows if you are equanimous. As sadhak, one should strive to develop equanimity. Good and bad, are two sides of same coin. Good means absence of bad, and bad means absence of good. This world is creation of Paramatma. It is DUAL. Scriptures let you see both sides of coin.

If you do not hurt people then this trait should not be perceivable by you. If any trait is there in you fundamentally, then as a law, you can not see that. Refer Lord Krishna telling Arjuna in 16 th Chapter of Gita...MA SUCHAH SAMPADAM DAIVIM ABHIJATASYA BHARAT...it means what? Here Lord says to Arjuna ...You have Divine traits, do not worry. Why did Lord say so? Did not Arjuna know that ? He said so because as a law whatever is your integral , you can not see ( JUST AS: You can not see yourSELF) !!!! Here Arjuna did not know that he was a good person and hence God had to inform him that he was a good person. If you see something good in you, that means, evil is present in you and of course pride is also present in you. Any way your statement means you are ordinary person but good, and those depicted in Scriptures are great people but bad. I don't see any comparison yardstick between the two.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Dear Murali Das,
Puranas are stories depicting how at the end righteousness wins over wrong
doings or how selfish actions and actions performed in vengeance, jealousy, ego,
arrogance etc. bring doom to the doer. All the characters in Puranas were not
great or enlightened people. They depict different characters and they too were
ordinary humans and not devas. When we compare those stories with today's
happening, we do not see much difference in the behavior of humans. Those
stories were meant to teach us lessons how treacherous and belligerent were
people even at that time and how their actions brought their own doom or why and
how they were punished for their own sins or rewarded for their righteous
actions. Puranas need not be taken literally in our spiritual pursuit (sadhana)
where more than rituals philosophy plays a vital role.
Mohan Nair

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Dear Sadhak/sadhika,

If you don't like something , and specially if it disturbs you, than stop watching it. Puranas and other stories are depicting dual nature -good-bad both sides. To show good, bad has to be shown. Use your discriminating power to accept, learn and be on the side of dharma.

You can spend your time reading Bhagwat Gita,Swami Ramsukhdasji's literature and other such scriptures which will give you direct knowledge of the Truth. That knowledge will lead you to the success and fulfillment in life and beyond.

Respecting elders does not mean you need to listen to their half baked information. Find your guide e.g. realized master or an enlighten Guru or Bhagwat Gita or literature by realized saints like Swamiji.

It is also yr duty to make yr mother aware, and realized. So read and discuss Bhagwat Gita with her. No matter how much you learn about the dual nature(Maya), you will not evolve. For the sake of your true growth in all walks of yr life it is important to realize the Truth.

May all good and auspicious things manifest on our planet.
A Sadhika,
Sadhna

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All past events and scriptures are meant to chasten the mind that you have in
present. Our higher mind has to be active to discern and select what is good to
me. Krishna faced bad times from Kans uncle, Ram faced bad times from his own
household ( step mother ), Kabir faced harrowing experience from the then Govt.,
and Arjan Dev ji and Guru Gobind Singh faced unmentional times. So it is
important to educate " Our Own Mind ", to a path of discernment and goodness. Be
contemplative.

kuldip kochhar

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Dear Sadaks,
The one hurts today was hurt yesterday. Theory of Karma. Sinkandi was hurt by
Beshma in her earlier birth. Now she as Sikandhi is cause of Besma death. A
dobby hurt Sri Rama by his words about Mother seetha as if she was not
chasteness. The same dobby come as (name I dont remember now) gets hurt by Sri
Krishna. There it was Sri Rama and dobby. Here it is Sri Krishna and
dobby.(Washerman). Sri hits Vaali. Valli as Zara hit Sri Krishna. It is only
name changes but persons are same paying their dues.
B.S

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In Puranas and Epics, all kinds of human characters are depicted. Punishment to
individuals by persons who do not agree with those individuals. Usually those
individuals who are punished are weak. These stories are synthesised to convey
that God is powerful and one should take his help by worshiping Him.
Gee Waman

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In all ages human beings have shown the basic traits of jealousy, cruelty, envy,
manipulation, conspiracy to hurt others, greed, dishonesty and corruption.
Depending on who reads these stories or see the similar modern day soap operas,
some take all this as entertainment, some learns to be more effective in
jealousy, cruelty, envy, manipulation, conspiracy to hurt others, greed,
dishonesty and corruption. Some just manage to learn the opposite. There is
nothing very special about such Purna stories or modern day TV serial episodes.
It is better to ignore the. Those who have nothing else to do when these
episodes are telecast or those who are retired and cannot work much, see these
episodes. And, many of the News reprts, TV debate episodes also are themselves
sop opera TV serial episodes. There is no need to think about these.

Basudeb Sen

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Dear Murari Ji & Other Interseted Bhakhtas,

Very true, good people during all time appear to suffer while cruel people
appear to enjoy without much suffering!

This is mainly because of two reasons! One, they are to clear past Kara-ma Fal
repayment balance and become more & more pure. Two, good people are put to test
whether or not they can continue to stay on the path of righteousness. It could
even good people or bad people testing good people!

Many years back, I have written a small explanation to this strange happening
with Good persons that most of the time they meet suffering only while; the Bad
persons enjoy life with no apparent much Sufferings. Let me repeat that writing
here for the benefit of those, who often wonder about this strange and
apparently illogical natural happening!

Consider:
1. Mokhsha or Self Realization or enlightenment as crossing of a huge
Lake.

2. Body of any life of a soul as Boat useful to cross the huge Lake as
mentioned in Sl. 1.

3. Good actions are light while; Bad actions are heavy!

4. So the Persons, who mostly does Bad actions would make their Boat
(Body) heavy while; those who do good actions make their boat
light.

5. Now an onlooker watching on the shore of the lake looking at both
the boats would feel the light boat in trouble of wild wavy
movements (Wild Jerks)due to wind while heavy boat would have
smooth movement with no even small jerks as seen by the person.

6. Now the person with heavy boat continuing performing more & more
bad actions would ultimately sink and never cross the lake while
the person with light boat continue become more and more light and
also appearing more and more troubled but would never sink and
ultimately cross the lake or, say get Mokhsha!

Conclusion is that one need be continue to be good and get rid of selfishness
and bad actions if he wants to cross the Lake i.e., to know the absolute truth
about this manifestation!

Sorry for a long explanation but the question demanded it!

Narayana, Narayana

Kuldeep K. Kaul

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