Saturday, May 25, 2013

[gita-talk] Re: Which explanation of Gita is best?

 

Jai Shri Krishna,

In Gita ji, mainly three paths are preached - Karma yog, Bhakti yog and
Gyan yog.

Since childhood i have read several commentaries, and explanations of
Gita ji, and all of them suggest that focus on any one of these paths
and we will realize the God/Self/Moksha.

There is stress on the point that follow one path only and neglect the
other two, like if i love bhakti than i need not to go for gyan, and
there is no necessity of performing worldly duties also. Only Harinaam
sankirtan, Bhajan and Dhyan is to be done. Similarly the followers of
Gyan maarg and Karma maarg neglect the other two paths.

My Query is that, what is the supreme path as per Gita ji?

Only Vaidhi Bhakti (surrendering to Bhagwan and then doing nothing), or
Bhakti + Karma + Gyaan.

Kindly suggest the best path, especially for the people like me who are
not completely free from worldly attachments, and have worldly
duties/responsibilities to fulfil.

Jai Shri Hari

Dharmendra Sharma

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Dear Sir,
You are right that Geetaa tells us about the 3 paths to reach our destination in this life. In case you want to have only one (sure-shot) path, it is Bhakti Yog.
In case you follow the Knowledge Path, it is likely that you may develop ego in you by the time you progress on the path. If you want to shun thios development, at that stage you have to tread Bhakti Path.
If you follow Karm Yog path, there is chance that you will get entangled in Karm-Kand without further progress towards your goal. To return to the desired progress then also you have to follow hakti path from thence.
So why not accept and follow Bhakti Path right from start?
With regards,
------Mukund Apte

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Dear Sadhakas,
Hare Krishna
This is in response to a question from a Sadhaka regarding the best path to attain The Lord. Bhagavadgita clearly talks about Karma yoga, Dhyana yoga and Bhaktiyoga. All of them lead us to supreme level. In karma yoga andDhyana yoga the ball is in your court but in Bhakti yoga the ball is in His court. In Bhaktiyoga , we are His. With total surrender onto his lotus feet, it is upto Him to liberate us. Also when karma yoga and dhyana yoga, fully mature they lead us to Bhakti yoga. That is the reason Bhagavadgita Gita strongly advises Bhakti Yoga. To reach the Lord by any means other than Bhakti Yoga, is more struggle for us.

Lord Krishna says in Bhagavadgita
" Mam ca yo avyabhicarena
Bhakti yogena sevate
Sagunansamatityaitan
Brahmabhuyaya kalpate"
Gitaji ( 14, 26)

Which means,
' One who engages in full devotional service, without deviation, transcends the modes of material nature and reaches the level of Brahman, meaning attaining the Supreme personality of Godhead.'

Gita clearly says Bhakti Yoga that is devotional service is the best choice to get to Him.

Thank you.

Prasad A. Iragavarapu, MD

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i like these verses very much from Gita ji:

Niyatam kuru karm tvam....

Svakarmana tamabhyarchya siddhivindati maanavaah..

tasmat sarveshu kaaleshu maamanusmar yudhya cha..

satatam keertayanto maam, nityayuktah upaasate..

The only thing which Shri Krishna wants from us to perform our duties faithfully
and honestly without any attachment. and to remember him all the times
performing our duties.
And this was the direct purpose of preaching Gita to Arjuna also, who was
unwilling to perform his moral duty to fight against Kauravas.

Queries and Doubts:

there are many tikas which say that the only karma is to serve the lord and the
best way to worship is to do his puja, archana, naam japa and nothing else is
needed. because it is the supreme.

Others say that jagat is mithya, only Brahm is satya, therefore abandon all the
worldly deeds, renunciate and meditate in the jungle.

Still many others say that if everything is Vasudeva himself as told by Krishna
himself (mattah partaram na anyat kinchit asti dhananjay), then why to fight
against evil, why to punish a person even he has committed a crime, after all he
is also Vasudeva from the point of view of Gita.

One of my enlightened friend after visiting to Ashramas in Haridwar has now
concluded that, because everything is God, there is nothing to achieve, because
God is already within us, whether we can see this fact or not. So there is no
need of any sadhana because we are already the Brahm.

My question:
So beautiful and clear the message of Bhagwan is in Gita, and see how we have
downgraded or degraded its meaning, by tortuous explanations.

If there is no purpose in the worldly life and everyone is GOD, then why God
take so many avatars to improve it?

If only Nam japa, and Puja archana only is the highest form of worship, and
after that there is no need to perform ones mundane duties, then why Shri
Krishna were forcing Arjuna to fight the battls? it would have been better he
did only bhajan kirtan instead of fighting.

Which explanation of Gita is best, the natural, simple message from Krishna to
us? or some tortuous, modified purports of different sampradaayas and
traditions?

with warm regards

Dharmendra Sharma

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Dear Dharmendra,

Nobody can suggest which path is best for you. These three paths are meant for three different levels of people - Bhakti Yoga is for those in whom mind (feelings/emotions) are predominant; Karma Yoga for those in whom body level activities are predominant; Gyan Yoga is for those in whom intellect (conviction) is more predominant. You alone can determine which path is more suitable and acceptable to you. I am of the opinion that you follow all the three paths as much as possible under your prevailing circumstances. If sincere and honest, this will give infuse confidence, courage, conviction, a sense of responsibility, work for the welfare of all around you, reduce your ego and make you a perfect person to lead a simple, humble, noble and make you a broad minded person; by then you must have fulfilled all your duties and responsibilities towards all those depended on you.
Wish you all the best in your yearning for a truly spiritual life.
Mohanan Nair

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No path is better than any other among the three, Gyan, Bhakti and Niskam Karma Yoga. Rather Gita says that any of these can lead to salvation. But if you read carefully, at the ultimate stage of these three paths, Bhakti Yoga cannot be bereft of the Gyan that Vasudebam Sarbam and desire free ego-less Karma, Gyan Yoga can not be bereft of the complete submission to God in full faith and love as well as self-less ego-less action, and Karma Yoga cannot be bereft of the complete submission to God in full faith and love as well as the realisation of the Gyan of Vasudevam Sarvam and equnimity. All the three Yogas may begin differently, but with steady progress they lead to convergence and finally merges.
A Gyan Yogi without complete submission to God, desireless and ego less action can not reach Salvation/ nirvana/ Liberation. A Karma Yogi with out the Gyan of Vasudevam Sarbam and equanimity and complete faith in God can not marge in God and get liberated. A Bhakti Yogi who has not been able to adopt equanility abd belief in Vasudevam Sarbam and who has not been able to becomes completely self-less and ego less in action cannot get liberated. At the final point, all Yogis become equal in all respects. So, it is better not to practice any path with the confusion that the three different paths are really mutually exclusive independent paths. A careful reading of Gita will reveal the above.
Basudeb Sen

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Saadhaka knows Dharmendrajee doesn't know more about Gitajee than Swameejee does, who says,''Chup Saadhan (doing nothing, as you aren't the doer and consuming nothing, as you aren't the consumer) as the only result of Sharanaagati is topmost of all Principles therein.'' What more you want here?
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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First you come forward with only ONE verse from Gita, the verse you find is the
TOP MESSAGE (as per your understanding), the learned members of this forum will
help you the way you are seeking.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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'Spiritual Quotes' and so on enter the comfort zone of the mind as if something
stationary, satisfactory exists. One goes on waiting for stable relief. The wait
for stable relief is the illusion. Gita or any other such book is in response to
one's fundamental question.
The fundamental issue is that one wants to operate freely in the world as one
wants, but there is resistance (in form of pain and uncertainty) from outside or
inside. To understand and absorb the resistance is the key. The illusion keeps
one busy in solving, undoing or escaping the resistance by ideas, theories,
explanations. Unless one absorbs irritation, uneasiness one is experiencing-one
can not touch the Original.

Y V Chawla

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Dear Dharmendra Sharma Ji and other Sadaks,
Namaskar!

Whatever B-Gita contains in it, everything is as best only! It is said for all
levels of persons irrespective of caste, creed, caliber and intelligence etc.
etc.

In simple words, while you perform any action and feel it is you who did it, you
are bound to face the reaction of that action as Karma Fal. But, on the other
hand if you feel it is only some energy (you may name it GOD or reverse DOG)
which in you made you to perform the action and you are just a medium only
then,you won't be bound to the reaction of that action and you would be
logically free of such action's Karma Fal. The exact word Lord Krishna has said
in this regard is that "One who sees his non-doer-ship in doing any action would
not be bounded to fruits (Karma Fal) of those Actions

I very much agree with you in that Lord Krishna has definitely said two contrary
things at many places but those are for two contrary types of persons having
different Sanskaras developed over their infinite number of lives.

Therefore, I conclude my response as the answer to your question as to what is
the best explanation in Gita by saying that it depends on the person in question
to find himself the best suiting his sanskaras!

All would agree that everything is best only as said in opening sentence!

With regards to all,

Kuldeep K. Kaul

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Dear Sadhaks,
Jai Shri Krishna

There are many best commentaries on Shrimad Bhagvad Gita and at the same time no commentator can claim to be his commentary 100% correct/perfect and final right from Adi Shankaracharya to anybody present time.I have gone through many commentaries like Swami Akhandanad Saraswatiji , Shrila Prabhupadji, Swami Adagadanandji, Swami Chinmayanand Ji, Vinova Bhave Ji etc. etc. But one thing is clear that every commentary is best but at the same time perfect as well as imperfect. Go through the Original Gita Ji and you yourself can write a best commentary guided by God Krishna.
Best of Luck

Mahesh Sharma

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In my opinion the different major yogas are a progression like learning to crawl then walk then run.

Marvin Glover

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>> there is no necessity of performing worldly duties also.

Arjun did not want to perform his duty in the beginning of Gita. What happened after he heard Gita? He decided to fight and kill his relatives which is one of the most difficult action.

It is surprising that anyone can conclude that there is no necessity of worldly duties. Please look at life of Arjun and do what he did.

Do actions with love, care, protection and compassion and help people around you seeing them as fragment of God. Start with yourself and family. And then, extend it to people around you.

I hope you can lead life of service, love and care based on teachings of Gita and help others to do so.

Regards,
Murari Das

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Dear Sadhak,

Gita is tailored for development of Arjun's intellect. Similarly, you have to
develop your own intellect. The natural simple message from Krishna is Vasudev
Sarvam. Either accept this simple message or develop your intellect to accept
this message. While developing your intellect, do not get disturbed with
different interpretations because remember Vasudev Sarvam. Gita has all answers
but it requires practice and patience to understand real truth. Goal is to have
firm conviction and then you will get all answers to your questions soon. If
your friend has firm conviction then he is going on the right path but if his
conviction stumbles then he will need to again take help of Gita.

Your servant,

Kali Sadhak

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Namasthe:
Chinmaya Mission has published Bhagavad Gita in concise form and chapter-wise.
The Chapter-wise Gita explanation is the best I have ever read.
Mohan Nair

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Shri Kuldeep Kaul Ji,

Would you please leave the habit of equating the Name of GOD with something
else. As some Sadhgurus (or Asadhgurus) are doing to impress the modernized
brains.

It may disturb some people like me.
If we want to rename that beautiful energy we can give the name of something
beautiful something respectable. As we do when we give the name to our children,
we always chose a good name. i can not find a person who can name his son as
DOG. So please practice the same policy with that almighty energy.

We are the part of that sea of energy and not the sea ourselves.

a tarang will always remain the part of sea and the sea is not the part of
tarang.

I did not read your message beyond that word.

Dharmendra

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