Wednesday, May 15, 2013

[gita-talk] Re: When everything is God only, why differentiate between the pairs of opposites?

 

Shree Hari Ram Ram

This brings closure to this post. There is so much that can be said, but there will be other similar questions. With devotion,

Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Swameejee says,''sab kuchh bhagavaan hee hain - yah geetaakaa sarvashreshtha
siddhaant hai ...''

English
Question is : When everything is God only, why are we asked to differentiate
raag and dwesh from vairaag and prem ? Isn't this in opposition to Vasudev:
Sarvam?
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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dear Sadaks,
You know good and bad by your intellect. You know poison and food. Why cant you
drink poison like Prahalad? Â Raag and Duvesh is Vasudev software. These are
necessary. Only by Duvesh Kans died. Duvesh was needed to be given to Kans to
end his life as per his boon. But Kans went to heaven because of constant
thought on Sri Krishna. You wont think Sri Krishna constantly neither worldly
single thing. Your mind goes in multi-direction. So if you know the difference
you can you choose to be good or bad.
B.S

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Hari Om

The message of Sadhak Jhunjhunwalla is very timely. We have indeed become too
entangled in our connection with inert, despite being sentient. We have
forgotten our eternal relationship with Paramatma and Paramatma alone, and have
considered firmly body to be me/mine. Indeed, we must revisit our acceptance
levels and see what is similar to us and what is dissimilar to us. We have
VIVEKA with us, power to discriminate. Vasudev Sarvam actually asks us to see
beyond what appears on surface. We have to regain our originality, our basic
form, our real OWN....! We are CHETAN, AMAL, SAHAJ SUKHRASI. World is inert,
imperfect and ever sorrowful. It does not matter that it is made by sentient,
perfect and ever blissful God. We have to focus not on world but on the creator
of this world. JUST AS: Father's estate effortlessly gets transmitted to Son
SIMULARLY: We have to get goodness, ever blissful ness, perfection, immortality
effortlessly realised by us. That is then fruit of human birth....of Satsanga
!!!

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Shree Vyasjee!
Hindimen kahaavat hai,''kaaneko kaanaa kahoge to vah chidh jaayegaa.''
Phir bhee kaaneko kaanaa hee kahaa jaayegaa, aankhonvaalaa naheen.
Samajh-samajhakaa pher hai, aap achchhese samajhate hain.
Savinaya,
SaadhakaÂ

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Shree Vyasjee!
Apaneko to janchee. Unako kaise janche jo raag aur dwesh ko alag-alag samajhate
hain? Arthaat, bhinn (differentiated) samajhate hain?
Savinaya,
Saadhaka

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Humble submission to Shree Murari Dasjee :
Focusing on 'All is God' isn't different from not-focusing on 'All isn't God'
which needs differentiation between the two [All is God and All isn't God]. Or
you have some third way out? Please tell that here.
Humbly,
Saadhaka
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Vyasji >> There can not be a more stupid observation when you observe like that
on the words ...

I will request you not to use words like "stupid" and disrespect others. You can
disagree but it is very disrespectful to call another view as "stupid" and use
other derogatory labels.

Vyas >> reproduced AS IT IS by me for benefit of all Sadhaks in this Divine
Satsanga Forum.

Exploiters of religion use the same argument. They produce statements of shastra
out of context in support of exploitation and use that as the justification to
continue exploitation. Similar tactic is used by Vyas.

Vyas >> was taken AS IT IS from Gita Prabodhini by Revered Swamiji

First of all, Swami Ramsukhdasji did not accept any disciple. One reason was
that he wanted us to accept goodness in teachings and ignore or reject teachings
which are not correct. It is within right of each sadhak to accept what is
correct and ignore / reject what is wrong based on the guidance of God within
us. Ultimately, Krishna within us is the ultimate guru. Let us not call sadhaks
with derogatory labels who accept guidance of God within.

Caste system has been discussed in this forum. Each society has intellectual
class (brahmins), admintrators/ police / soldiers (ksatriya), businessmen
(vaishyas) and laborers (shudras). I do not want to participate in any
philosophy which propagates discrimination and exploitation based on race i.e.
birth. Discussion of atma transcending matter is sugar coated with poison of
worst kind of discrimination and exploitation of race (caste system based on
birth). I would like to avoid this poison.

Honestly speaking, I have seen any chandaal. I don't know what definition of
"chandaal" Vyas wants to use. In this age, we have many cleaners which can
disinfect and kill germs. Even corpse etc can be handled in hygienic and clean
way. Therefore, we don't need to see any human as unclean and we can surely help
them to handle corpse and other unclear things in such way that they are not
exposed to germs and they don't become carrier of germs. Instead of solving
problem and helping people to be clean, discrimination against some jobs or some
people based on birth is not acceptable character of any good human being what
to say of spiritual seeker.

Regards,
Murari Das

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Hari Om

The example of worshipping Brahmin and not Chandaal; drinking milk of cow and
not of a bitch; riding on elephant and not on dog....was taken AS IT IS from
Gita Prabodhini by Revered Swamiji while explaining difference between
SAMVARTINA and SAMDARSHINA...which must be understood by every striver ,
particularly striver of Vasudev Sarvam. Now some self proclaimed " proper
representatives of Sanatan Dharma" may find negativity, Dvesha , hatred and
objection there also....you can ! But when you do so, you can not escape from
becoming Dvesha form yourself, from becoming negative yourself, and from making
a non sense of yourself. There can not be a more stupid observation when you
observe like that on the words of Saints like Param Shraddheya Swamiji
Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. One makes a mockery of one self when one finds negativity,
hatred and prejudice on such harmless explanation of difference between
SAMVARTINA and SAMDARSHINA as has been so divinely done by Swamiji in Gita
Prabodhini and reproduced AS IT IS by me for benefit of all Sadhaks in this
Divine Satsanga Forum.

It is often noticed that some people have a like for negativity. JUST AS : A fly
sits always on a wound instead of on clean skin JUST AS: a Vulture however high
it may be flying, it's eye always remains on a rotten piece of flesh on the
earth SIMILARLY: Such negative people always keep their eyes on evil...they
always relish criticising others even on flimsy grounds. That is their DRISHTI (
vision). That is how they perceive the world ! Now if these people claim to have
goal of as rare a spiritual state as Vasudev Sarvam one can not prevent a free
laugh emerging every where from surroundings, a laugh representative of watching
stupidity claiming wisdom.

In Vasudev Sarvam...your eye must always be set on GOOD, on essence ! Scriptures
call this setting of eye as DRISHTI. As is your DRISHTI so is SHRISHTI (
Creation). Vasudev Sarvam is DRISHTI and not conduct. Humble Sadhak was great
enough to acknowledge the importance of DRISHTI as soon as he appreciated the
message from Shashikala. Humble Saadhak is a genuine and real striver of Vasudev
Sarvam. He picked positive instantly from Satsanga.

But negative people conveniently forget to draw positives from Satsanga. They
find evil anywhere and everywhere and become as happy as a person who has got
wealth of a kingdom when they observe scope of fault finding. Criticism, evil
finding becomes their goal, their pastime , their habit and their destiny.
Precisely therefore, Scriptures say: Vasudev Sarvam principles should be
discussed only in front of eligible persons. Precisely therefore, Vasudev Sarvam
experience comes to you...as a law...only after you have liberated/ got
disconnected from ASHUBH ( inauspicious) !

What a Divine Law....AS IS YOUR DRISHTI, SO BECOMES SHRISHTI. Scriptures of
Sanatan Dharma keep telling you ...revisit your DRISHTI... Improve your
DRISHTI. SAB JAG ISWAR ROOP HAI, BHALLO BURO NAHIN KOY! JAAKI JAISI BHAAVANA (
DRISHTI) , VAISO HI PHAL HOY ! Saints have said: NIJ PRABHUMAY DEKHAHI JAGAT ,
KEHI SANG KARHI VIRODH ? In the instant case, a Sadhak has accused me of making
"discriminatory message deviating from truth" and has appealed to all of you to
" stop such messages" from this Forum merely because I quoted Swamiji AS IT IS,
as explained above re Brahmin and Chandaal. This man is tating that my reference
to Chandaal ( actually reference by Gita and also by Swamiji) is discrimination
of race, gender, and caste and is representative of e otions of negativity,
discrimination and is derogatory sentiment against all human beings (
ha...Ha...) ! This so called Sadhak has claimed that there is no existence of
Chandaal , though Gita has devoted a verse on the same and acknowledges
existence. I don't mind if any one drinks milk of a bitch instead of that of
cow, rides on dog instead of on elephant and worships a Chandaal instead of
Brahmin...who can stop any one from making a mockery one self ? But actually,
this man is not king Satsanga. No...not at all !!!

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Dear Sadhak,
   Yes, it it correct that God has created both opposite things like Love, Hate, Selflessness & Selfishness etc. But please note that Love and Selflessness etc is basically given to the Universe by the God. When the entity tries to restrict these god-given things to limited crowd, or individuals, that entity feels उपेक्षा towards others and after adequate period, the feeling becomes the contradictory (produce of the God) ones. So they are bad because God-given priority characters have been restricted by the entity.
   With regards,
   ------Mukund Apte

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How can really everything be God ? This is the expression alone of a bhakt's
bhavnaa.Â

The qualities of God are un-matched.. He is Gyaan-sagar, Pavitratam, Prem-sagar,
Sukh-saagar, Shanti-saagar, Anand-saagar, Sarva-Shaktivaan. His qualities are
such which make Him omnipotent. God is perfect & niraakaar. He cannot be any
quality less than perfect or negative.Â

When God - Parmatma creates souls as full & complete as Himself, the humans have
Devtaas - Krishna & Raam, who they look upon & worship.However, over the cycle
of birth & death in the journey of even the once perfect soul of the Devtaas,
its qualities or the Gunas diminish falling from time to time, till when once
again God Himself cares to come back to restore the disorder & to restore the
tarnished souls, in the darkest of the dark times such as now, as we are all
experiencing - Kali-kaal, Kaliyug.Â

Paramatma Shiv, the Father, Teacher & Satguru (Liberator) has arrived now to
liberate all souls from the miseries & sorrows & to teach & nurture all to
return to His original abode - Paramdhaam, in our pure original form for the new
cycle (Kalp) to begin with Satyug.Â

We are all experiencing the drastic reactions in nature in the form of
calamities in different regions of the world, natural disasters of magnitude
such as earthquake, flooding, and such. We are insecure about everything around
us - the people, the Government, the environment, the future. Nothing appears to
be  stable & constantly giving happiness & satisfaction. We have to discover
our sweet original qualities, our true strength. Parmatma is here to show us the
true path. We need to submit & work with ourselves, being constantly or as much
as we can with Him in these tough times.

Please do not feel challenged by any of the above. The time of Bhakti Yog is
different from the present time when Parmatma Himself comes to us souls to
impart true knowledge (yatharth) & tells as all 'as it is', many a times, which
is in stark contrast to our existing knowledge, as we have believed so far,
based on what we have heard, read & understood as based on the knowledge &
interpretations from the Shashtras & Upanishads.

My humble & loving sweet good wishes for the group saadhaks.
II Om Shanti  II

Sanjay Jhunjhunwala

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Submission to Shree Murari Dasjee :
Some of your statements need blowing of Paanchajanya [as was blown after the words 'naro va kunjar:] to end all confusions.
Humbly,
Saadhaka
PS : Actually the caste system defined on the basis of acts done (not by birth) has been deteriorated by later people (introducing birth for actual acts).
Who will tell here : Who were the first brahmin, kshatriya, vaishya and shoodra on earth when it is described in scriptures that all human descended from one pair Manu and Shraddhaa? [and no description of caste of Manu and Shraddhaa there].
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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Shree Saadhakaji,

>> Focusing on 'All is God' isn't different from not-focusing on 'All isn't God'
which needs differentiation between the two [All is God and All isn't God]. Or
you have some third way out? Please tell that here.

Actually, I did not understand your question completely and I will reply it
based on what I understood. It appears to me that you are saying that "All isn't
God" requires differentiation. First, one perceives differentiation. But this
differentiation (isn't God) is negated by our acceptance as this differentiation
is not truth. This is very practical way. I had never thought about it this way.
Thank you for describing it.

We see this world as "isn't God" and therefore, with differentiation. We try not
to focus on "isn't God". This focus should be done based on our level of
acceptance and shouldn't be imitated. If we try to imitate it foolishly, then it
can cause more harm. For example, one can't drink poison thinking that it is
also part of God. Due to differentiation, we have love and hatred, we respect
and disrespect, we praise and criticize, we serve and take service or order
others etc. Our focus should to not to have these negative qualities of hatred,
criticism, disrespect etc and think / act with positive qualities as much as
possible.

Thank you very much for asking question in beautiful one line but conveying deep
message within that line. Ultimately, each of us will understand "all is God" in
our own personal way. Whatever we understand, lets us be honest and sincere
about it. God within us will guide us and lead us to the right way if we are
sincere, honest, respectful, kind and loving.

Regards,
Murari Das
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Dear Sir,
What you are saying is right in Raag and Dvesh factually there is no difference.
God has created Love (i.e. Raag) in the world. Intention was love will be filled
in the world. But some people started restricting their love to some portion of
the world, some few people, some their own family etc. Once Love is restricted,
the feeling for others (not in the circle of their Love) brcomes
उपेक्षा which slowly get converted into द्वेष. So we can
say God has given this Dvesh also, isn't it/ Man only convert aag into Dvesh.
With regards,
------MukundApte

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Dhanyavaad Jeejee Shashikalajee!
You fully differentiated vision from acceptance and all 'avarodh' vanished.
Pun: Dhanyavaad.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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Shree Saadhakaji,

>> Focusing on 'All is God' isn't different from not-focusing on 'All isn't God'
which needs differentiation between the two [All is God and All isn't God]. Or
you have some third way out? Please tell that here.

Actually, I did not understand your question completely and I will reply it
based on what I understood. It appears to me that you are saying that "All isn't
God" requires differentiation. First, one perceives differentiation. But this
differentiation (isn't God) is negated by our acceptance as this differentiation
is not truth. This is very practical way. I had never thought about it this way.
Thank you for describing it.

We see this world as "isn't God" and therefore, with differentiation. We try not
to focus on "isn't God". This focus should be done based on our level of
acceptance and shouldn't be imitated. If we try to imitate it foolishly, then it
can cause more harm. For example, one can't drink poison thinking that it is
also part of God. Due to differentiation, we have love and hatred, we respect
and disrespect, we praise and criticize, we serve and take service or order
others etc. Our focus should to not to have these negative qualities of hatred,
criticism, disrespect etc and think / act with positive qualities as much as
possible.

Thank you very much for asking question in beautiful one line but conveying deep
message within that line. Ultimately, each of us will understand "all is God" in
our own personal way. Whatever we understand, lets us be honest and sincere
about it. God within us will guide us and lead us to the right way if we are
sincere, honest, respectful, kind and loving.

Regards,
Murari Das

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One should remain balanced in life in good situation as well as bad situation
since God is with you always.He gives the strength to face every bad
situation.Remember him always.
Differentiation is a must to think rationally and go with the good for even
though God is everything He is always with the good and always blesses those who
are right.Wicked will get punished if not immediately definitely for their act
of harming good people.
Vasudev sarvam means he is everywhere as we know how Narsinh bhagwan appeared
from pillar to save his bhakta prahlad. He is there watching. Vasudev sarvam.
Sab kuchh Bhagwan ka samjo.
Hare Krishna
SMKV

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Hari Om

Coming to RAAG AND DVESHA vis a vis PREM AND VAIRAGYA....!!! In both Raag and
Dvesha, you are attached to world. In Vasudev Sarvam , you rise above both.
Hence they become irrelevant. VAIRAGYA is getting disconnected from Jagat.
Dvesha is remaining connected but with hatred or dislike. With connection with
world in tact, talk of Vasudev Sarvam is only academic or at best is at
acceptance level, but never at experience level. Prem is replacement of Jagdish
in place of Jagat as me or mine !!!! But how these terms are relevant?

Baba...accept firmly, doubtlessly, fearlessly...the fact that all is Vasudev. Be
PUCCA ...solid in that acceptance. Do not think if this or that is in conformity
or opposition of Vasudev Sarvam. Just believe firmly yourself. Do not seek any
approval or confirmation. Behave as if all is Vasudev but WITH DISCRIMINATION
AND differentiation. That is subtle way. It requires you not to consume poison
because Vasudev exists in that also. It is not necessary to consume poison to
believe whether Vasudev exists in poison.

There is gross way also of behaviour and that too is specified by Scriptures
(BHAGWATAM). I can not dare to practice that, but if any one wants to he can
venture. That gross way is...DO A SHASHTAANG DANDWATAM to whoever or whatever
you see. Scriptures go on to say that such dandwatam ( falling straight on earth
on your chest and do pranaam) should also be done to a donkey loitering on the
streets....in fact to every BODY and everything....keep doing it, keep doing it.

Another way , more practical, and very effortless is doing MENTAL PRANAAM to
everybody/ every thing coming in your vision. It is a fantastic way, a way
suggested by Param Shraddheya Swamiji Shri Ramsukhdasji Maharaj to all strivers,
including strivers of Vasudev Sarvam.

Kyaa Jachee Humble Sir ?

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Vyasji >> would worship a Brahmin but not a Chandaal

I am yet to meet any Chandaal. During my life, I have met humans. They exhibit
beautiful qualities of love, respect, equanimity, truthfulness, courage, hard
work etc to some degree. Few of them also have negative qualities like hatred,
dishonesty etc. Very few people (like serial rapist, murderers etc) can be said
as truly bad. Even from basic standpoint of morality, most people have some good
qualities and we should respect, love and even worship all people around us.

Remember 11/2/42 verse from Bhagavatam. Krishna says that we should bow down to
all living being which means that all human are worshipable. Sanatan dharma
treats even animals with love, respect and care. What to say about other hunan
being!

Let us not propagate any negative, discriminatory and derogatory sentiments
about any human being especially based on race, caste and gender. Sanatana
dharma which is based on science of soul and God does not teach these kind of
discriminatory messages and these messages are deviation from truth. My request
to all seekers of truth (sadhaks) is to stop these kind of discrimination and
represent sanatana dharma properly.

Regards,
Murari Das

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all our human emotions are due to ignorance, we have two big eyes to
see the outside world and record in brain, similarly we have inner
eyes, the , mind, chitta, intellect, the great brain which should
discriminate good and bad... what ever we do is selfish and anger
comes if it is not fulfilled, if we are selfless and serve anger will
not come because we dont have anything to gain, we have to give what
we have received from god, we have to learn this from nature giving
everything to us the sea evaporate and become cloud and rain, the
mother earth makes your seed to sprout and give bountiful
crops...millions of things...hence dont worry dont become emotional
god will take care of you
god bless you
swamiji all our human emotions are due to ignorance, we have two big eyes to
see the outside world and record in brain, similarly we have inner
eyes, the , mind, chitta, intellect, the great brain which should
discriminate good and bad... what ever we do is selfish and anger
comes if it is not fulfilled, if we are selfless and serve anger will
not come because we dont have anything to gain, we have to give what
we have received from god, we have to learn this from nature giving
everything to us the sea evaporate and become cloud and rain, the
mother earth makes your seed to sprout and give bountiful
crops...millions of things...hence dont worry dont become emotional
god will take care of you
god bless you
swamijiall our human emotions are due to ignorance, we have two big eyes to
see the outside world and record in brain, similarly we have inner
eyes, the , mind, chitta, intellect, the great brain which should
discriminate good and bad... what ever we do is selfish and anger
comes if it is not fulfilled, if we are selfless and serve anger will
not come because we dont have anything to gain, we have to give what
we have received from god, we have to learn this from nature giving
everything to us the sea evaporate and become cloud and rain, the
mother earth makes your seed to sprout and give bountiful
crops...millions of things...hence dont worry dont become emotional
god will take care of you
god bless you
swamiji - all our human emotions are due to ignorance, we have two big eyes to
see the outside world and record in brain, similarly we have inner
eyes, the , mind, chitta, intellect, the great brain which should
discriminate good and bad... what ever we do is selfish and anger
comes if it is not fulfilled, if we are selfless and serve anger will
not come because we dont have anything to gain, we have to give what
we have received from god, we have to learn this from nature giving
everything to us the sea evaporate and become cloud and rain, the
mother earth makes your seed to sprout and give bountiful
crops...millions of things...hence dont worry dont become emotional
god will take care of you
god bless you
swamiji SWAMI KRISHNANANDA
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Jai Hanuman

This Q and various responses to it by Sadhaks remind me of a story narrated by
Swamiji Ramdukhdasji Maharaj of a Sadhu who was visited in a forest by 4
different people. One was a Raaj Putra ( Prince of a state) . Second was a
Tapaswi ( one who indulged in tough austerities and penances) . Third was a
Vyaghra ( a person who used to earn his livelihood by catching and killing birds
and animals) . Fourth was a Yoga striver, ( a person who was perfect in his
worldly conduct and a Sadhak ). All four did Pranaam to Sadhu . Sadhu responded
by blessing them as under:

Raaj Putra - Long Live

Tapaswi - Die

Vyaghra - Neither live nor die.

Sadhak/ Yoga striver: Live or die, as you wish !!!

All four were stunned by "differentiation" in blessings. They asked as to why
such differentiation by such a great Sadhu? Great Saint explained: I have each
of your welfare in my vision while I blessed each of you. But my blessing has to
be different for each of you though my Drishti for each of you is same. I told
Raaj Putra to long live. Because in this life he is reaping results of good
karma in past lives, but in this life he is more sinning, he eats anything, is
very violent and egoist, hunts animals etc and hence his next life is not going
to be as good as is this life. Hence I wished him: Live long.

But Tapaswi is living a very hard life. He is doing tough austerities and the
good results will follow in next life but not in thus life. Hence I wished: Die
so that you may get good results from life very soon.

This Vyaghra was a sinner in previous life and hence is very poor and deficient
in this life. Now also he is sinning, sinning and sinning, and hence he is going
to get huge adversities in next life also. Hence I wished: Neither live nor die.

This Sadhak has done good karma in last life and hence he is born in right
surroundings. Now also he is indulging always in righteous conduct and hence he
will be getting very good circumstances in next life also. So his welfare is
consisting in all cases. Hence I wished: Live or Die, as you wish !!!

This story should remove a lot of confusion from Sadhaks' understanding of
Vasudev Sarvam !!! It also emphasises the fact that while in the eyes of a
Saint there is equanimity in vision for all ( example 4 different characters in
aforesaid story) but conduct of that Saint is bound to be different for
different people !!!

Hence you can not rule out differentiation of conduct even for a Saint ( one who
has realised Vasudev Sarvam) for different worldly people and things !!!!

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee
Shashikala

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Hari Om

Need will always remain to differentiate even when you are a perfect yogi and
you have experienced Vasudev Sarvam !!!! Divine Sadhaks please pay attention.
There are two things...one SAMDARSHINA ( Viewing the essence and being
equanimous in your vision / DRISHTI) and other is SAMVARTINA ( being equanimous
in conduct). While it is true that in Vasudev Sarvam striving, a Sadhak would
see God in all say in a Brahmin, Chandaal, Elephant, Dog and Cow...his vision
will be equanimous, but his conduct will never be equanimous. Even a Sadhak of
Vasudev Sarvam would drink milk of cow and not of a bitch; would ride on an
elephant but not on dog; would worship a Brahmin but not a Chandaal...isn't it ?
So differentiation in conduct will always remain. Hence first thing to note is :
Vasudev Sarvam entails equanimity in vision and not in conduct. So no
differentiation is out of question. You have to differentiate between the
various people, activities and matters, even if you are a striver of Vasudev
Sarvam. There is only one person who can legitimately be SAMVARTINA
...YAMRAAJ...Death. Every one else except Yamraaj has to differentiate. Sadhaks
should note down here therefore the importance of DRISHTI vis a vis
conduct...SAMVARTINA VS SAMDARSHINA, while understanding and grasping the
striving wrt Vasudev Sarvam. In Vasudev Sarvam your DRISHTI is essence not your
conduct.

Actually this Jagat is necessarily Inequanimous...VISHAM. A Samata ( equanimity)
in Prakruti ( worldly people/ things/ matter) means dissolution...PRALAY..the
end of creation. A Sadhaks' role is therefore only be to view essence in both
sides of coin to be Vasudev. In Gita this viewing/ DRISHTI is beautifully put by
Lord Krishna in a single Sanskrita word ... PASHYATI. Seeing !!! Not conducting
! In conduct you have to differentiate, there is no other option.

But here the question is about pairs of opposites also. Q is about Likes and
Dislikes. Divine Sadhaks please pay attention again. Vasudev Sarvam does not
mean that you be equal in Likes ( you should like everything in the world
because Vasudev is in everything/everybody...what is wrong in visiting a
prostitute...Vasudev is in her also ) ...no ! Actually , Vasudev Sarvam does not
mean you should like consuming poison because Vasudev is in poison also, or you
should adopt bad because Vasudev is in bad also. It means you should neither
like anything nor dislike anything. Your DRISHTI should be on essence, on
Vasudev being as much in bad as in good...and that is it. Here again therefore
differentiation in your conduct will arise but that will be remove a dislike but
not to form a like therefore. You have to rise above both. You can not be
equanimous by way of removing dislike but forming a like. Note here ... If you
have RAAG with any worldly thing/ activity/ matter, that necessarily means
developing a dislike for opposite thing...NECESSARILY !! Sadhaks should
understand this point very clearly. Vasudev Sarvam does not teach you to merely
remove dislike and replace the dislike with a like...it teaches you to rise
above both like and dislike.

Hope the above helps in better understanding the subject. It is not a question
of Vasudev being originator of everything, it is a question of Vasudev being
present before us in an X form, now we have to conduct appropriately considering
the way Vasudev has presented Himself. Here you have to differentiate. There is
a beautiful half liner in Scriptures on this : JAISA DEV, VAISI POOJA ...as is
Demi God so will be the type of worship. If Vasudev has presented Himself before
you in a war in the form of enemy, then you have to worship Him by trying to
kill Him. JUST AS : Bhisma Pitamah worshipped Lord Krishna by arrows in
Mahabharata war !!! Lord Narsing after killing Hiranyakashyap licked Prahlaad
with affection just as an animal licks its child with tongue...that is conduct.
Here the conduct had to be of that person who was half animal and half human
!!!! But same conduct was nt repeated by Lord in other incarnations...say by
Lord Krishna while showing affection to say Sudama !!!! Hence Sadhaks should
keep differentiation in focus whie conducting. Their conduct has to be different
in all the states. Sadhak Krishnanand gave a good example in this regard.

A Sadhak has stated: if different from where did they come to existence? Here
this Sadhak is presuming a thing originating from same source must be similar or
same. This presumption is very faulty and an obstacle to grasp Vasudev Sarvam.
Example: From same God contrasting things can emerge. Poison came from same
place , in SAMUDRA MANTHAN, from where nectar emerged. From same mind likes and
dislikes emerged. From same teacher reward and punishment can emerge, is not it
? I the tenth chapter of Gita , God Himself said that from Me. inter alia, fear
and fearlessness emerges. Hence this yardstick that if emerging from same source
, the output has to be same is wrong. It is also wrong to presume that anything
emerging from God has to be God. A creation is always different than Creator. It
is just a power of Creator and not the Creator Himself.

Another fantastic example which helps in understanding Vasudev Sarvam has been
given by Swamiji when He said: Yes everything is Vasudev , but if you sin,
Vasudev will meet with with you in hell as hell is also a form of Vasudev only.
Now think Sadhaks. Do we want to go to hell? Why we should not, when Vasudev is
there in hell also ? Think....!!!

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Humble Question to Shree Chawlajee :
Are experience, energy, expression, senses, anger, fear, anxiety, pain,
pleasure, confusion, thought, illusion, accepting, rejecting, conceptualizing,
feeling, nervousness,
sadness, ground, idea to escape, program of the mind, likes, dislike, and all
others (not named here) DIFFERENT from God?
If different, from where did they come into existence?
If not different, how can they be differentiated?
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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There is no need to differentiate between pair of opposites if one truly accepts
"all is God".
More important is where is our focus. I try to focus on accepting "all is God"
instead of forcing myself not to differentiate.
So, primary objective is to develop this vision and act based on that vision.

"vasudeva sarvam" also means being happy in either pair of opposites e.g.
favorable and unfavorable circumstances, victor and defeat, praise and contempt
etc.
Instead of differentiating between them, more important is not to react to them
and being happy in both states.

Everyone is different and you have to decide what works for you based on your
level of understanding and realization.

Regards,
Murari Das

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Dear Sadaks,
Duryodhan or Kans were bestowed with Duvesh to high extent. By that only their
fate is decided.Ravana death was destined, only Raaga. So all of our destiny is
based on them. But if we avoid raag and duvesh now, next birth will be divine,
said in geetha.
b.s..

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Dear Sadhak,

Your Question - "When everything is God only, why are we asked to differentiate
raag and dwesh from vairaag and prem ? Isn't this in opposition to Vasudev:
Sarvam?"

Answer - Yes differentiating raag/dwesh from vairag/prem is in opposition to
Vasudev Sarvam. Vasudev Sarvam itself means stop all kinds of differentiation.
Any reference of differentiation in Gita is just a learning process for
development of Arjun's mind to get ready to accept Vasudev Sarvam. If you start
believing in Vasudev Sarvam, all your fears will soon start vanishing and all
kinds of differentiation will finish too. It will take time to accept Vasudev
Sarvam and it may be a long journey of realization even after believing in
Vasudev Sarvam but if you have strong belief and stick to it then success will
come after tests of determination.

Your servant,

Kali Sadhak

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vasudeva sarvam means to love, appreciate, respect, protect and care about all
living beings and avoid hatred, criticism, contempt, abuse and causing injury to
other living beings. In one way, it is RAG towards love and other above
qualities and DVESA towards hatred, contempt and other qualities stated above.
So, we need to discriminate between these pair of opposite values.

All these will become natural when one will realize vasudeva sarvam. As I don't
realize it, I still need to discriminate and remind myself about right way of
thinking, right attitude, right thoughts and right actions.

Yes, this can be opposition to vasudeva sarvam for those who have truly realized
this state. But that is more theoretical question for me at this stage of my
life.

Regards,
Murari Das

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yes everything is god, when you are crossing in the jungle, an
elephant comes chsrgin at you and if you think the god in the elephant
will save you, no it has become wild and it will trample and kill you,
when the god in elephant man sitting and shouting to escape but if
you dont listen you will face the wild elephant, killed or badly
injured, that i s why you have to differentiate
god bless you
swamiji - SWAMI KRISHNANANDA

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Question pointed to the very relevance of this forum !!!

Jay

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You experience the life energy when you touch, listen, see, move
something and so on. The hyper expressions of energy are anger,
fear, anxiety, pain, pleasure, confusion and so on. Whatever you
experience is complete from moment to moment. Thought can
describe the experiencing. It (under the illusion) becomes busy in
accepting or rejecting or conceptualizing, what is experienced. The
experiencing ‘as it is’ is one’s connection to the Original.
Feeling ‘as it is’, whether you are nervous, anxious, sad, elated connects
you to the ground and not any comforting idea to escape from what ‘you are
experiencing’.
Can one see the program of the mind?
Mind is inflated in pleasure, that is, when it faces something it likes.
Mind is deflated in pain, that is, when it faces something it does not like.
It can not retain or hold any pleasant feeling nor it can hold any relief. The
illusion tries to hold by ideas, explanations-hence decay. To s ee, to feel the
momentariness of any feeling is to touch the fluid state, the self-sustained
ground, the Original, the ever new.
Y V Chawla

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"Opposition" and/or "pair of Opposites" are "jeev" made due to aghayana of the
"manush" who is though His highest of creation (manush ko dheeni bharai) having
Intelligence and Conscious; BUT uses those very precious/special qualities in a
"wasteful-manner"; e.g. raag, dwesh, eersha etc.

"Vasudev sarvam" ie. God is ISSNESS...in other terms means without Him nothing
can exist. Like, when our praanas/aatma leave our body we are dead, then all
around us "" call IT as deadbody (instead of him/her name or relateve-name like
Dad/Mom) to be taken-away""...... Then where is raag etc ?!

Kishin Chandiramani

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