Friday, May 31, 2013

[gita-talk] Re: Why so much importance is given to The Lotus Feet of The Lord?

 

Respected Sir

It has been many years that The Lord has graced me with opportunities to listen
to discourses from ascetics & mahatmas and have been reading spiritual books. I
have remembered that I should have attraction and love towards The Lotus Feet of
The Lord. The Lord Shri Ram Ji also says to his friend Sugreev,

"Janani Janak Bandhu Sut Daara, Tanu Dhanu Bhawan Surhrud Parivara
Sabkai Mamta Taag Batori, Mam Pad MANAHE BANDH Ber Dori ....Us
Sajjan Mam ur Buse......"

I have not been able to grasp the meaning, value and esteem of The Lord's Lotus
Feet. Why so much importance is given to The Lotus Feet of The lord in the
scriptures, discourses and even by the Lord
Himself.

Kindly enlighten me. I know that once i will be able to learn, I shall be able
to take an actual step in the direction where I have been roaming around for all
these years.

Regards

Man Mohan Batra

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because as per human anatomy the whole human body and its weight lies
on the feet and when we surrender to god, sharanagati we touch the
feet of elders, wash it during some rituals, same way when we
surrender to lotus feet, because we can not touch any other part of
god and seek benediction, if we catch somebody's feet and beg to
forgive with tears in our eyes, they will definitely forgive our
mistake..i india it is considered the way of confession, like in
church they kneel down and beg to forgive, same way when we catch the
lotus feet of god and beg to forgive he will definitely forgive...but
we should have faith shraddha SHRADDHA HI PARAMA GATIH says krishna
in geeta, what ever we do we should put our heart and soul, swami
vivekananda used to say even when we clean utensil ( brass ) it should
shine so that we can see our face as reflection, that is one form of
worship, our intention, conviction should be with out blemish
hence with out any second thought just surrender to the lotus feet of
god with out any shadow of doubt in it and he will rescue
god bless you
swamiji - because as per human anatomy the whole human body and its weight lies
on the feet and when we surrender to god, sharanagati we touch the
feet of elders, wash it during some rituals, same way when we
surrender to lotus feet, because we can not touch any other part of
god and seek benediction, if we catch somebody's feet and beg to
forgive with tears in our eyes, they will definitely forgive our
mistake..i india it is considered the way of confession, like in
church they kneel down and beg to forgive, same way when we catch the
lotus feet of god and beg to forgive he will definitely forgive...but
we should have faith shraddha SHRADDHA HI PARAMA GATIH says krishna
in geeta, what ever we do we should put our heart and soul, swami
vivekananda used to say even when we clean utensil ( brass ) it should
shine so that we can see our face as reflection, that is one form of
worship, our intention, conviction should be with out blemish
hence with out any second thought just surrender to the lotus feet of
god with out any shadow of doubt in it and he will rescue
god bless you
swamiji - because as per human anatomy the whole human body and its weight lies
on the feet and when we surrender to god, sharanagati we touch the
feet of elders, wash it during some rituals, same way when we
surrender to lotus feet, because we can not touch any other part of
god and seek benediction, if we catch somebody's feet and beg to
forgive with tears in our eyes, they will definitely forgive our
mistake..i india it is considered the way of confession, like in
church they kneel down and beg to forgive, same way when we catch the
lotus feet of god and beg to forgive he will definitely forgive...but
we should have faith shraddha SHRADDHA HI PARAMA GATIH says krishna
in geeta, what ever we do we should put our heart and soul, swami
vivekananda used to say even when we clean utensil ( brass ) it should
shine so that we can see our face as reflection, that is one form of
worship, our intention, conviction should be with out blemish
hence with out any second thought just surrender to the lotus feet of
god with out any shadow of doubt in it and he will rescue
god bless you
swamiji - SWAMI KRISHNANANDA

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Hari Om

Lord Himself has never stated anywhere , to my knowledge, that His devotees should give importance to His Lotus feet, including in the couplet quoted by you. It is Devotees of Lord who give importance to His feet out of respect. Lord makes friends ( Sakha ) not slaves. In Ramcharitmanas, Lord has friendship relationship with SUGREEVA ( BHOGI) , Vibheesana ( Sadhak) and NISHADRAJ GUHA ( Yogi/ Siddha). Lord loves SAKHA BHAAV ( sentiment of friendship). Arjuna was also friend only of Lord Krishna. However, devotees of Lord are generally seen to have a liking for DAAS sentiment ( Slave). When you have a sentiment of DAAS vis a vis Paramatma then which place can be more appropriate than Lotus Feet ? Hence the importance of Lotus Feet is from Bhakta point of view.

Rather than thinking excessively about Feet or Face etc of Lord, you may establish MINENESS ( MAMTA) with Lord in any manner. Some like to be friend of Lord, some like to be mother, some like to be friend, some pupil and some like to be DAAS (slave). Lord Hanumaan liked to be DAAS of Lord.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas. N B

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[gita-talk] Fw: Which One Faith, Which One Belief is the Greenwich Mean Time of all Faiths?

 

All countries have their own local time yet they maintain its relation with Greenwich Mean Time.
All communities [Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians etc.] have their own faiths and beliefs. Do they ALL, also maintain their relation with some One Faith or One Belief? If yes, which One Faith or which One Belief?
Please describe in brief.
Humbly,
Saadhaka
 
दुनियके सभी देश अपने-अपने स्थानीय समयके अनुसार चलते हैं,
किन्तु ग्रीनविच मीन टाइमको भी ध्यानमें रखते हैं।
संसारके सभी सम्प्रदाय [हिन्दू, मुस्लिम, सिख, ईसाई आदि] अपने-अपने मतके अनुसार चलते हैं,
किन्तु क्या वे सभी किसी एक ही मतको ध्यानमें रखते हैं? यदि हाँ, तो कौनसा मत?
कृपया, संक्षेपमें बतायें।
सविनय,
साधक  

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Dear Sadhakas,
This is in response to a question from a Sadhaka, regarding the faith and The Lord. 

All faiths,  and all religions teach us essentially the same principles which are Truth, Compassion , dedication and total surrender unto The Lord. The way we worship may be different, the names may be different but in true spiritual sense all religions are the same. To develop concentration and dedication let us stick to one whatever you choose. 

Lord Krishna says in Bhagavadgita ,

" Sarvadharman parityajya
  Mamekamsaranamvraja,
  Ahamtvam sarvapapebhyo,
  Mokshayisyami masucaha"
        
       ( Gitaji 18, 66)

Which means,

' abandon all varieties and surrender unto Me. I will free you from all the sins and give you moksha,liberation. Donot fear or worry.'

Faith in the Lord is most important and He takes care of us. 

Thank You. 

Prasad A.Iragavarapu, MD

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God is in all and each person's relationship with God within is unique.
One path is that everyone has to choose their own path and relationship with God.
God within can choose books, people etc as facilitators but still, the path is still unique for each person.

The problem comes when other people start deciding another person's path and start claiming their way is better or encompasses other ways.

Regards,
Murari Das

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human rights
 
Best Regards,
Mr.M.U.Dua

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yes, that is humanity. to be a good human being.

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Why the issue of Enlightenment or God arises?
Simply because one treats pain (any uneasiness) and uncertainty as alien, something not belonging to you. Or one wants stable relief by the ideas of Enlightenment or God or Realisation. When one sees that pain and uncertainty are psychological discomforts only (if not immediate physical danger) and that there can not be stability in this field-one sees the resting point within. Realisation happens.

Y V Chawla

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[gita-talk] Who is Arjuna in the Gita - Need Clarification !

 

Everything is appearing jumbled up.  

On one hand Swamiji says -  "We must not even keep a resolve" then on the other hand he says "in doing we must be careful"
In Gita too on one hand Krishna says "Karmanyevaadhikaaraste..." (2/47),  "Your right is to work only,"(2/47) , then on the other hand he says "Na karoti na lipyate...."  " it neither acts nor gets tainted." 
Swamiji says "doing is also karma, and not doing is also karma"  I understand this,  however,  when the "self" does not do is it the experiencer, then who does Krishna say to that "your right is only in doing your duty (karma)?  In other words,  in Gita who is this Arjuna?   (spirit or the body).   
In pictures everywhere, you only see his body listening to the instructions from the Gita.  

Humbly,   Sadhak

IN HINDI    

सब कुछ गड्ड-मड्ड हो रहा है।
एक ओर स्वामीजीने कहा है,''अपना संकल्प भी नहीं रखना है।'' फिर दूसरी ओर कहा है,''करनेमें सावधानी रखनी है।''
गीतामें भी एक ओर कृष्णने कहा है,''कर्मण्येवाधिकारस्ते ...'' (२:४७), फिर दूसरी ओर कहा है,''न करोति न लिप्यते ..."
स्वामीजीने कहा है,''करना भी कर्म है और न करना भी कर्म है।'' यह तो समझमें आता है, किन्तु जब स्वयं न करता है
और न भोगता है तो कृष्णने किसे कहा है कि कर्म करनेमें ही तेरा अधिकार है? अर्थात गीतामें यह अर्जुन कौन है? [आत्मा अथवा शरीर]
चित्रोंमें सब जगह उसका शरीर ही दिखाया गया है गीताका उपदेश लेते।
सविनय,
साधक 

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Thursday, May 30, 2013

[gita-talk] Which One Faith, Which One Belief is the Greenwich Mean Time of all Faiths?

 

All countries have their own local time yet they maintain its relation with Greenwich Mean Time.
All communities [Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians etc.] have their own faiths and beliefs. Do they ALL, also maintain their relation with some One Faith or One Belief? If yes, which One Faith or which One Belief?
Please describe in brief.
Humbly,
Saadhaka
 
दुनियके सभी देश अपने-अपने स्थानीय समयके अनुसार चलते हैं,
किन्तु ग्रीनविच मीन टाइमको भी ध्यानमें रखते हैं।
संसारके सभी सम्प्रदाय [हिन्दू, मुस्लिम, सिख, ईसाई आदि] अपने-अपने मतके अनुसार चलते हैं,
किन्तु क्या वे सभी किसी एक ही मतको ध्यानमें रखते हैं? यदि हाँ, तो कौनसा मत?
कृपया, संक्षेपमें बतायें।
सविनय,
साधक  

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Wednesday, May 29, 2013

[gita-talk] Re: Which explanation of Gita is best?

 

Jai Shri Krishna,

In Gita ji, mainly three paths are preached - Karma yog, Bhakti yog and
Gyan yog.

Since childhood i have read several commentaries, and explanations of
Gita ji, and all of them suggest that focus on any one of these paths
and we will realize the God/Self/Moksha.

There is stress on the point that follow one path only and neglect the
other two, like if i love bhakti than i need not to go for gyan, and
there is no necessity of performing worldly duties also. Only Harinaam
sankirtan, Bhajan and Dhyan is to be done. Similarly the followers of
Gyan maarg and Karma maarg neglect the other two paths.

My Query is that, what is the supreme path as per Gita ji?

Only Vaidhi Bhakti (surrendering to Bhagwan and then doing nothing), or
Bhakti + Karma + Gyaan.

Kindly suggest the best path, especially for the people like me who are
not completely free from worldly attachments, and have worldly
duties/responsibilities to fulfil.

Jai Shri Hari

Dharmendra Sharma

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I fail to see any difference amongst the three paths when EGO is removed from ACTION. Since no living entity can exist without action, the intention that guides our action seems to be the real driver. So then who removes ego? Grace or Practice? I gather it is Practice, where at each step grace guides us.

Hemendra

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Saadhaka submits with folded hands, the best path for any one [not necessarily for everyone] is the path which when followed by him/her leads him/her to the desired destination, apart from what happened to others in the past.
No use discussing the merits/demerits of various training courses for swimming without actually getting into water to testify them.
If bhakti is the best, why did Krishna describe so many other paths? What is best for one, that may not be even good for some other one.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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Hari Om

My compliments to the Questioner for this really Divine Q ! It is for such Satsanga, and Questions this Forum specifically is !!!!

First General observations.

Every human being, in reality, is a Sadhak ( Striver with an aim for God Realisation). Reason is that after loitering in 8.4 million life forms, Jeeva has got this human birth with the sole objective of its emancipation. Human is not the name of some specific body or form, but is the name of that who has DISCRIMINATION ( VIVEKA) of Real and False, Duty and Non Duty etc. This VIVEKA is beginning less and output of the Grace of God. By giving importance to this VIVEKA, a human can become Jnana Yogi or Karma Yogi or Bhakta etc. human is not the name of body. Body is only a tool, which can be utilised for serving others. But when a human considers this body to be me or mine, and/or considers worldly people, ability. Power, wealth etc to be so...then he is not yogi of any type, rather in that case he is BHOGI. It is a law: A BHOGI suffers himself and impart sorrows to others also; because a sorrowful man only can impart sorrows to others.

First important need for any Yogi is : Recognise the object of your life, accept the fact THAT I AM SADHAK, I AM NOT BODY, I AM NOT WORLDLY !!! That I am male or female or Brahmin or Celibate, or Householder etc ..these assumptions/ acceptances are based on BODY. and are obstacles in God Realisation. A Sadhak is a body-less !!!

Jagat, Jeeva and Paramatma ( Jagdish) - nothing exists except these 3 !!! Out of Hesse 3, Jagat and Jeeva are the subject matter of contemplation ( VICHAAR) and therefore LAUKIK ( worldly). But Paramatma is not subject matter of contemplation and hence ALAUKIK ( Divine/Out of this world). Among these 3, Jeeva is the focal point of Jnana Yoga; Jagat ( world) is the target of Karma Yoga and Bhagwaan is the central point of Bhakti Yoga. Every human has 3 demands- 1. Liberation ( Undivided Bliss); 2 Absence of Sorrows and 3 Love !!! Own hunger ( liberation) gets satisfied by Jnana Yoga; cessation of sorrows take place through Karma Yoga and you get PARAM PREM ( Absolute Love) by Bhakti Yoga !!! If you do not any bias or insistence, then by satisfying one demand , all 3 demands get fulfilled !!!

For the questioner, Karma Yoga is an ideal path. The questioner is further advised not to get entangled in Scriptural webs and not get confused by purports of different people, scriptures. He has worldly duties to perform and therefore, doubtlessly follow the path of Karma Yoga. Whatever views he has narrated in his Q are useless, wastage of time and will not help him. DECIDE ; I AM KARMA YOGI, I AM SADHAK, I AM NOT BODY, THIS BOY AND ALL WORLDLY THINGS ARE FOR SERVICE TO THE WORLD, I DON'T NEED ANYTHING ....and resolve not to do/understand/ wish/ talk and hear bad vis a vis any one. That is it.

One who wants his emancipation and accepts the world to be real , for him Karma Yoga is appropriate. If he considers SELF to be real, for him there is Jnana Yoga and for one who considers Paramatma to be real, for him there is Bhakti. The person, who does not consider any one of these to be real, he too can liberate himself...because when you do not consider any one to be real, then the world will cease to impact you and you will become automatically option less and get equanimous. You get impacted by a thing, only when you consider that to be real.

More on the subject, in next posting.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Namasthe:

I was surprised to read in one of the comments below that Gyan Yoga may develop 'ego' in you! In fact it is because of ignorance of your True Self that you identify with your body, mind and intellect that cause ego or ahamkar or 'I' notion or 'I' thought. Only knowledge can guide one to enquire into the source of ego and that will ultimately reveal True Self in you, thereby ahamkar disappears. No doubt, Bhakti Yoga is recommended in this Kali Yuga because that is the easiest pat to follow. But following Bhakti Yoga without Gynan will lead to superstitious belief and these people will easily fall prey to all sorts of exploitation by priest-class. Moreover, one who is thorough with the theoretical part (philosophy) of Sanatana Dharma, practical part (rituals) will become meaningful and instead of indulging in extravagant rituals and practices, they will channel some of their resources for doing charity (seva - selfless service i.e. Karma Yoga) for the welfare of the less privileged class around.
Mohanan Nair

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Dear Sir,
You are right that Geetaa tells us about the 3 paths to reach our
destination in this life. In case you want to have only one (sure-shot) path, it
is Bhakti Yog.
In case you follow the Knowledge Path, it is likely that you may develop
ego in you by the time you progress on the path. If you want to shun thios
development, at that stage you have to tread Bhakti Path.
If you follow Karm Yog path, there is chance that you will get entangled
in Karm-Kand without further progress towards your goal. To return to the
desired progress then also you have to follow hakti path from thence.
So why not accept and follow Bhakti Path right from start?
With regards,
------Mukund Apte

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Dear Sadhakas,
Hare Krishna
This is in response to a question from a Sadhaka regarding the best path to
attain The Lord. Bhagavadgita clearly talks about Karma yoga, Dhyana yoga and
Bhaktiyoga. All of them lead us to supreme level. In karma yoga andDhyana yoga
the ball is in your court but in Bhakti yoga the ball is in His court. In
Bhaktiyoga , we are His. With total surrender onto his lotus feet, it is upto
Him to liberate us. Also when karma yoga and dhyana yoga, fully mature they
lead us to Bhakti yoga. That is the reason Bhagavadgita Gita strongly advises
Bhakti Yoga. To reach the Lord by any means other than Bhakti Yoga, is more
struggle for us.

Lord Krishna says in Bhagavadgita
" Mam ca yo avyabhicarena
Bhakti yogena sevate
Sagunansamatityaitan
Brahmabhuyaya kalpate"
Gitaji ( 14, 26)

Which means,
' One who engages in full devotional service, without deviation, transcends the
modes of material nature and reaches the level of Brahman, meaning attaining the
Supreme personality of Godhead.'

Gita clearly says Bhakti Yoga that is devotional service is the best choice to
get to Him.

Thank you.

Prasad A. Iragavarapu, MD

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i like these verses very much from Gita ji:

Niyatam kuru karm tvam....

Svakarmana tamabhyarchya siddhivindati maanavaah..

tasmat sarveshu kaaleshu maamanusmar yudhya cha..

satatam keertayanto maam, nityayuktah upaasate..

The only thing which Shri Krishna wants from us to perform our duties faithfully
and honestly without any attachment. and to remember him all the times
performing our duties.
And this was the direct purpose of preaching Gita to Arjuna also, who was
unwilling to perform his moral duty to fight against Kauravas.

Queries and Doubts:

there are many tikas which say that the only karma is to serve the lord and the
best way to worship is to do his puja, archana, naam japa and nothing else is
needed. because it is the supreme.

Others say that jagat is mithya, only Brahm is satya, therefore abandon all the
worldly deeds, renunciate and meditate in the jungle.

Still many others say that if everything is Vasudeva himself as told by Krishna
himself (mattah partaram na anyat kinchit asti dhananjay), then why to fight
against evil, why to punish a person even he has committed a crime, after all he
is also Vasudeva from the point of view of Gita.

One of my enlightened friend after visiting to Ashramas in Haridwar has now
concluded that, because everything is God, there is nothing to achieve, because
God is already within us, whether we can see this fact or not. So there is no
need of any sadhana because we are already the Brahm.

My question:
So beautiful and clear the message of Bhagwan is in Gita, and see how we have
downgraded or degraded its meaning, by tortuous explanations.

If there is no purpose in the worldly life and everyone is GOD, then why God
take so many avatars to improve it?

If only Nam japa, and Puja archana only is the highest form of worship, and
after that there is no need to perform ones mundane duties, then why Shri
Krishna were forcing Arjuna to fight the battls? it would have been better he
did only bhajan kirtan instead of fighting.

Which explanation of Gita is best, the natural, simple message from Krishna to
us? or some tortuous, modified purports of different sampradaayas and
traditions?

with warm regards

Dharmendra Sharma

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Dear Dharmendra,

Nobody can suggest which path is best for you. These three paths are meant for
three different levels of people - Bhakti Yoga is for those in whom mind
(feelings/emotions) are predominant; Karma Yoga for those in whom body level
activities are predominant; Gyan Yoga is for those in whom intellect
(conviction) is more predominant. You alone can determine which path is more
suitable and acceptable to you. I am of the opinion that you follow all the
three paths as much as possible under your prevailing circumstances. If sincere
and honest, this will give infuse confidence, courage, conviction, a sense of
responsibility, work for the welfare of all around you, reduce your ego and make
you a perfect person to lead a simple, humble, noble and make you a broad minded
person; by then you must have fulfilled all your duties and responsibilities
towards all those depended on you.
Wish you all the best in your yearning for a truly spiritual life.
Mohanan Nair

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No path is better than any other among the three, Gyan, Bhakti and Niskam Karma
Yoga. Rather Gita says that any of these can lead to salvation. But if you read
carefully, at the ultimate stage of these three paths, Bhakti Yoga cannot be
bereft of the Gyan that Vasudebam Sarbam and desire free ego-less Karma, Gyan
Yoga can not be bereft of the complete submission to God in full faith and love
as well as self-less ego-less action, and Karma Yoga cannot be bereft of the
complete submission to God in full faith and love as well as the realisation of
the Gyan of Vasudevam Sarvam and equnimity. All the three Yogas may begin
differently, but with steady progress they lead to convergence and finally
merges.
A Gyan Yogi without complete submission to God, desireless and ego less action
can not reach Salvation/ nirvana/ Liberation. A Karma Yogi with out the Gyan of
Vasudevam Sarbam and equanimity and complete faith in God can not marge in God
and get liberated. A Bhakti Yogi who has not been able to adopt equanility abd
belief in Vasudevam Sarbam and who has not been able to becomes completely
self-less and ego less in action cannot get liberated. At the final point, all
Yogis become equal in all respects. So, it is better not to practice any path
with the confusion that the three different paths are really mutually exclusive
independent paths. A careful reading of Gita will reveal the above.
Basudeb Sen

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Saadhaka knows Dharmendrajee doesn't know more about Gitajee than Swameejee
does, who says,''Chup Saadhan (doing nothing, as you aren't the doer and
consuming nothing, as you aren't the consumer) as the only result of
Sharanaagati is topmost of all Principles therein.'' What more you want here?
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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First you come forward with only ONE verse from Gita, the verse you find is the
TOP MESSAGE (as per your understanding), the learned members of this forum will
help you the way you are seeking.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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'Spiritual Quotes' and so on enter the comfort zone of the mind as if something
stationary, satisfactory exists. One goes on waiting for stable relief. The wait
for stable relief is the illusion. Gita or any other such book is in response to
one's fundamental question.
The fundamental issue is that one wants to operate freely in the world as one
wants, but there is resistance (in form of pain and uncertainty) from outside or
inside. To understand and absorb the resistance is the key. The illusion keeps
one busy in solving, undoing or escaping the resistance by ideas, theories,
explanations. Unless one absorbs irritation, uneasiness one is experiencing-one
can not touch the Original.

Y V Chawla

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Dear Dharmendra Sharma Ji and other Sadaks,
Namaskar!

Whatever B-Gita contains in it, everything is as best only! It is said for all
levels of persons irrespective of caste, creed, caliber and intelligence etc.
etc.

In simple words, while you perform any action and feel it is you who did it, you
are bound to face the reaction of that action as Karma Fal. But, on the other
hand if you feel it is only some energy (you may name it GOD or reverse DOG)
which in you made you to perform the action and you are just a medium only
then,you won't be bound to the reaction of that action and you would be
logically free of such action's Karma Fal. The exact word Lord Krishna has said
in this regard is that "One who sees his non-doer-ship in doing any action would
not be bounded to fruits (Karma Fal) of those Actions

I very much agree with you in that Lord Krishna has definitely said two contrary
things at many places but those are for two contrary types of persons having
different Sanskaras developed over their infinite number of lives.

Therefore, I conclude my response as the answer to your question as to what is
the best explanation in Gita by saying that it depends on the person in question
to find himself the best suiting his sanskaras!

All would agree that everything is best only as said in opening sentence!

With regards to all,

Kuldeep K. Kaul

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Dear Sadhaks,
Jai Shri Krishna

There are many best commentaries on Shrimad Bhagvad Gita and at the same
time no commentator can claim to be his commentary 100% correct/perfect and
final right from Adi Shankaracharya to anybody present time.I have gone through
many commentaries like Swami Akhandanad Saraswatiji , Shrila Prabhupadji, Swami
Adagadanandji, Swami Chinmayanand Ji, Vinova Bhave Ji etc. etc. But one thing is
clear that every commentary is best but at the same time perfect as well as
imperfect. Go through the Original Gita Ji and you yourself can write a best
commentary guided by God Krishna.
Best of Luck

Mahesh Sharma

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In my opinion the different major yogas are a progression like learning to crawl
then walk then run.

Marvin Glover

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>> there is no necessity of performing worldly duties also.

Arjun did not want to perform his duty in the beginning of Gita. What happened
after he heard Gita? He decided to fight and kill his relatives which is one of
the most difficult action.

It is surprising that anyone can conclude that there is no necessity of worldly
duties. Please look at life of Arjun and do what he did.

Do actions with love, care, protection and compassion and help people around you
seeing them as fragment of God. Start with yourself and family. And then, extend
it to people around you.

I hope you can lead life of service, love and care based on teachings of Gita
and help others to do so.

Regards,
Murari Das

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Dear Sadhak,

Gita is tailored for development of Arjun's intellect. Similarly, you have to
develop your own intellect. The natural simple message from Krishna is Vasudev
Sarvam. Either accept this simple message or develop your intellect to accept
this message. While developing your intellect, do not get disturbed with
different interpretations because remember Vasudev Sarvam. Gita has all answers
but it requires practice and patience to understand real truth. Goal is to have
firm conviction and then you will get all answers to your questions soon. If
your friend has firm conviction then he is going on the right path but if his
conviction stumbles then he will need to again take help of Gita.

Your servant,

Kali Sadhak

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Namasthe:
Chinmaya Mission has published Bhagavad Gita in concise form and chapter-wise.
The Chapter-wise Gita explanation is the best I have ever read.
Mohan Nair

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Shri Kuldeep Kaul Ji,

Would you please leave the habit of equating the Name of GOD with something
else. As some Sadhgurus (or Asadhgurus) are doing to impress the modernized
brains.

It may disturb some people like me.
If we want to rename that beautiful energy we can give the name of something
beautiful something respectable. As we do when we give the name to our children,
we always chose a good name. i can not find a person who can name his son as
DOG. So please practice the same policy with that almighty energy.

We are the part of that sea of energy and not the sea ourselves.

a tarang will always remain the part of sea and the sea is not the part of
tarang.

I did not read your message beyond that word.

Dharmendra

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[gita-talk] Re: Why good people hurt others in Puranic stories?

 

Since my mother is visiting at my house, I have got Zee TV. TV shows of Zee TV
are soap operas which are full of jealousy, duplicity, cheating and basically,
people hurting each other. My mind started hurting after watching those shows.
My mother mentioned that Puranic stories are full of such incidences. For
example, step mothers of Jarasandha cut him into two halves and threw him away.
The father of Dhruva, Uttanpada, mistreated his own son. Valmiki Ramayana
describes how Kaikeyi will treat Kausalya with disrespect as she was favorite
wife of Dasarath. She continued to give me many instances of such behavior.

I am an ordinary person and I don't hurt people around me. Why do these great
people in Puranas hurt others?

Regards,
Murari Das

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Whether we are hurt or we aren't hurt by such incidences described in those
books, the incidences of the past won't change and can't be changed. Better is
to let the bygones be bygones and take care of the present. No use spoiling the
present for the yesterday (can't be changed) or for the tomorrow (yet to come).
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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Hari Om

Those who hurt others can not be called great or good people. Your mind will not get hurt watching TV shows if you are equanimous. As sadhak, one should strive to develop equanimity. Good and bad, are two sides of same coin. Good means absence of bad, and bad means absence of good. This world is creation of Paramatma. It is DUAL. Scriptures let you see both sides of coin.

If you do not hurt people then this trait should not be perceivable by you. If any trait is there in you fundamentally, then as a law, you can not see that. Refer Lord Krishna telling Arjuna in 16 th Chapter of Gita...MA SUCHAH SAMPADAM DAIVIM ABHIJATASYA BHARAT...it means what? Here Lord says to Arjuna ...You have Divine traits, do not worry. Why did Lord say so? Did not Arjuna know that ? He said so because as a law whatever is your integral , you can not see ( JUST AS: You can not see yourSELF) !!!! Here Arjuna did not know that he was a good person and hence God had to inform him that he was a good person. If you see something good in you, that means, evil is present in you and of course pride is also present in you. Any way your statement means you are ordinary person but good, and those depicted in Scriptures are great people but bad. I don't see any comparison yardstick between the two.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Dear Murali Das,
Puranas are stories depicting how at the end righteousness wins over wrong
doings or how selfish actions and actions performed in vengeance, jealousy, ego,
arrogance etc. bring doom to the doer. All the characters in Puranas were not
great or enlightened people. They depict different characters and they too were
ordinary humans and not devas. When we compare those stories with today's
happening, we do not see much difference in the behavior of humans. Those
stories were meant to teach us lessons how treacherous and belligerent were
people even at that time and how their actions brought their own doom or why and
how they were punished for their own sins or rewarded for their righteous
actions. Puranas need not be taken literally in our spiritual pursuit (sadhana)
where more than rituals philosophy plays a vital role.
Mohan Nair

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Dear Sadhak/sadhika,

If you don't like something , and specially if it disturbs you, than stop watching it. Puranas and other stories are depicting dual nature -good-bad both sides. To show good, bad has to be shown. Use your discriminating power to accept, learn and be on the side of dharma.

You can spend your time reading Bhagwat Gita,Swami Ramsukhdasji's literature and other such scriptures which will give you direct knowledge of the Truth. That knowledge will lead you to the success and fulfillment in life and beyond.

Respecting elders does not mean you need to listen to their half baked information. Find your guide e.g. realized master or an enlighten Guru or Bhagwat Gita or literature by realized saints like Swamiji.

It is also yr duty to make yr mother aware, and realized. So read and discuss Bhagwat Gita with her. No matter how much you learn about the dual nature(Maya), you will not evolve. For the sake of your true growth in all walks of yr life it is important to realize the Truth.

May all good and auspicious things manifest on our planet.
A Sadhika,
Sadhna

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All past events and scriptures are meant to chasten the mind that you have in
present. Our higher mind has to be active to discern and select what is good to
me. Krishna faced bad times from Kans uncle, Ram faced bad times from his own
household ( step mother ), Kabir faced harrowing experience from the then Govt.,
and Arjan Dev ji and Guru Gobind Singh faced unmentional times. So it is
important to educate " Our Own Mind ", to a path of discernment and goodness. Be
contemplative.

kuldip kochhar

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Dear Sadaks,
The one hurts today was hurt yesterday. Theory of Karma. Sinkandi was hurt by
Beshma in her earlier birth. Now she as Sikandhi is cause of Besma death. A
dobby hurt Sri Rama by his words about Mother seetha as if she was not
chasteness. The same dobby come as (name I dont remember now) gets hurt by Sri
Krishna. There it was Sri Rama and dobby. Here it is Sri Krishna and
dobby.(Washerman). Sri hits Vaali. Valli as Zara hit Sri Krishna. It is only
name changes but persons are same paying their dues.
B.S

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In Puranas and Epics, all kinds of human characters are depicted. Punishment to
individuals by persons who do not agree with those individuals. Usually those
individuals who are punished are weak. These stories are synthesised to convey
that God is powerful and one should take his help by worshiping Him.
Gee Waman

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In all ages human beings have shown the basic traits of jealousy, cruelty, envy,
manipulation, conspiracy to hurt others, greed, dishonesty and corruption.
Depending on who reads these stories or see the similar modern day soap operas,
some take all this as entertainment, some learns to be more effective in
jealousy, cruelty, envy, manipulation, conspiracy to hurt others, greed,
dishonesty and corruption. Some just manage to learn the opposite. There is
nothing very special about such Purna stories or modern day TV serial episodes.
It is better to ignore the. Those who have nothing else to do when these
episodes are telecast or those who are retired and cannot work much, see these
episodes. And, many of the News reprts, TV debate episodes also are themselves
sop opera TV serial episodes. There is no need to think about these.

Basudeb Sen

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Dear Murari Ji & Other Interseted Bhakhtas,

Very true, good people during all time appear to suffer while cruel people
appear to enjoy without much suffering!

This is mainly because of two reasons! One, they are to clear past Kara-ma Fal
repayment balance and become more & more pure. Two, good people are put to test
whether or not they can continue to stay on the path of righteousness. It could
even good people or bad people testing good people!

Many years back, I have written a small explanation to this strange happening
with Good persons that most of the time they meet suffering only while; the Bad
persons enjoy life with no apparent much Sufferings. Let me repeat that writing
here for the benefit of those, who often wonder about this strange and
apparently illogical natural happening!

Consider:
1. Mokhsha or Self Realization or enlightenment as crossing of a huge
Lake.

2. Body of any life of a soul as Boat useful to cross the huge Lake as
mentioned in Sl. 1.

3. Good actions are light while; Bad actions are heavy!

4. So the Persons, who mostly does Bad actions would make their Boat
(Body) heavy while; those who do good actions make their boat
light.

5. Now an onlooker watching on the shore of the lake looking at both
the boats would feel the light boat in trouble of wild wavy
movements (Wild Jerks)due to wind while heavy boat would have
smooth movement with no even small jerks as seen by the person.

6. Now the person with heavy boat continuing performing more & more
bad actions would ultimately sink and never cross the lake while
the person with light boat continue become more and more light and
also appearing more and more troubled but would never sink and
ultimately cross the lake or, say get Mokhsha!

Conclusion is that one need be continue to be good and get rid of selfishness
and bad actions if he wants to cross the Lake i.e., to know the absolute truth
about this manifestation!

Sorry for a long explanation but the question demanded it!

Narayana, Narayana

Kuldeep K. Kaul

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