Saturday, September 29, 2012

[gita-talk] Need Clarification - Bhakti and Self Effort (Gita 12/9, 12/10, 12/11)

 

Dear Sadaks,
Kindly tell me the meaning of these slokas. Further Sri Krishna tells Arjuna Bagavath Geetha second time where HE mentions about Bakthi has to be attained by self effort. I shall post it later.
Rama Rama.

atha cittam samadhatum
na saknosi mayi sthiram
abhyasa-yogena tato
mam icchaptum dhananjaya

abhyase 'py asamartho 'si
mat-karma-paramo bhava
mad-artham api karmani
kurvan siddhim avapsyasi

athaitad apy asakto 'si
kartum mad-yogam asritah
sarva-karma-phala-tyagam
tatah kuru yatatmavan

B.S.

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[gita-talk] How to Root Out Pride?

 

This is wonderful
Ego AHAM Me I
Pride

How about disclosures to others about activity done under and wishes and blessing from god
A Pride , a performance unknown to others but worth letting others know
It is pride or proud worthy as we say when a student gets good grades, a professional achieves unique activity, a public servant serves the humanity or and organization respects or gives awards with pride for proud worthy performance although coming from gods grace
I , AHAM Me some times comes out for people who have achieved some thing and proud worthy and same thing comes out with littlest performance but exaggerated AHam , Me and me only.
Very interesting discourse and I thank sukhdevji and his followers who is articulating thru SADHak
Worth knowing as most of us are common people and want to avoid things which can hurt others or self but at the same time be educational for disseminations of facts
Thanks
Delightful discourse and may be if the devotees feel good may want to enlighten us further
Dinesh

Dinesh Patel MD

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How to Get Rid of Pride?
(Abhimaan kaise Chute? )

Shree Hari
16th September, 2012, Sunday
Adhik Bhaadrapad Amaavasya, Vikram Samvat 2069, Ravivaar

On the subject of pride it has come in the Ramayana -

Samsruti mool soolprad nana |
Sakal sok daayak abhimaana (Manas 7/74/3)

The number of demonaic qualities that are present, the evil qualities and conduct that is there, they are all living under the shade of "Pride". The feeling of "I am" my existence (a sense of egoism) is not as evil as pride is. A fragment (part, ansh) of God is free of flaws, but the feeling that I have some good qualities, I have many capabilities, I am knowledgeable and learned, I am very clever, I can speak eloquently, I am capable of explaining to others - in this manner, seeing something extra-ordinary in ourselves in comparison to others, is a very big flaw. If we see something great in ourselves whether it be our ability to meditate, remember God and be devoted to Him, whether it be chanting His holy Name, whether it be repeating the Lord's Name (japa), whether it is cleverness, whether it is our ability to do favors to others, whatever form of distinctive qualities that we see in ourselves, compared to others is PRIDE. This pride, is very harmful and it is very difficult to escape from it.

Pride can come as a result of being of a particular "jaati" (class, caste, race, nationality, etc.), or "varna" (order of life) or "aashram" (stage of life), or knowledge, or intellect. Pride can be of various sorts. I remember the entire Gita, I can teach the Gita, I can understand the extra-ordinary expressions and sentiments in the Gita - this too is pride. Pride is the cause of much down fall. Pride comes due to regarding that greatness, superiority, specialness, as being mine. One cannot get rid of this pride by one's own effort, rather the pride goes away by God's grace. As one undertakes more effort to distance his pride, his pride becomes further strengthened. If one tries any solutions and means to get rid of pride, that solution itself will further increase his pride. Therefore it is very difficult to be freed from pride. An aspirant must be extra careful and cautious with regards to pride.
An aspirant must become aware of that whatever special qualities that he sees in himself, they are not his, rather they have come from God. Therefore regard that special quality as God's only, not his own. Whatever extraordinary and special qualities that you see in yourself, has been given by the Lord - accept this firmly, then pride can go away.
The manner in which I can conduct divine chanting, no one else can do the same; there are many others, but there is none like me - in this manner, the moment you do comparison with others, at that very same moment, pride will creep in ! Sadhak should believe that I am not the doer, rather this is all happening by God's grace. Whatever special qualities that have come, they are not my own. If they were my own, they would remain forever, and I would have rights over them. It is only by thinking so that one can become free of pride.
It is God's immense grace that he does not let anyone's pride stay . Therefore the moment that pride comes, something collides with it. God by His immense grace makes us alert that do not regard anything as your own, I will do all your work. God destroys pride, He does not let it remain – this is most gracious, transcendental and extra-ordinary grace. (to be continued)

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Friday, September 28, 2012

[gita-talk] Re: Have you realized God? If so, please enlighten us with the process.

 

Have you realized God? If so, please enlighten us with the process. Thanks.

Ramu Vempati

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Raam....!

Once somebody asked Param Shraddheya Swamiji Shri Ramsuklhdasji Maharaj as to
whether He has realised God....the Great Saint replied: To ask this Q and to
reply to this Q , both actions will be stupidity. But we should know as to how
the Realisation impacts, based on experiences revealed by Great Saints as
manifested through their conduct, attitude and words. . There is an idiom
prevalent in Western countries: Before Realisation chop wood and carry water;
after Realisation chop wood and carry water. There is no difference except that
you stop getting impacted by the world, and you get rid of all asuri sampada,
bondages, the rope of me..and mine. Once somebody asked Swamiji as to what a
human should do after Realisation...He replied..."HALLA NAHIN KARNA CHAAHIYE"
(Do not shout about it). There is no difference except in your individual
perception of the world, between after and before Realisation states.

Raam....!

Sachin

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Ram Ram

Process applies to the body and the world... not to one who is ever-attained, ever realized.

Today's sadhak message says it beautifully!

He Who is in all places, all time zones, at all times, in all beings, in all incidents, in all circumstances, that Paramatma, can He ever be apart from us? We can never be detached from God. He is ever attained ! Sarita

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Dear Sadaks
Many a times, Sadaks confuse themselves that God is in some physical form and will appear before us when we realize Him or reach the state of attainment.. So long we are living in dual relationship duat bhava, we feel that God is different from us and is to be realized in physical form. In spiritual attainment, both sadak -bhakta and God become One i.e., Aduat, then where is the realization of God , who to explain whether he has realized God or not because there is then no body to describe his experience of Self realization of God
Hare krishna
G K Agrawal

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Dear Ramuvempati'ji,
Realisation is more of being blessed with 'Anugraha or grace of God'; rather than your action it is His action of love, while you are only watching it happen. Thus some poets have said 'learn to labour and to wait'. It is only in his hands to give you the fruits of your labour.
Am I right?
HAri Malla

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While in deep meditation one feels like having a flash of unmindfulness and for a few seconds of being totally within the system of "AUM" vibration-can anyone suggest what is that?

Barin Chatterjee

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Dear Ramu Vempati,

There are 2 questions in the thread. Second one is about the process of realizing God. To understand the process of realizing God, one has to commit to it. Gita Talks contributors cannot write it in few lines.
My understanding is that the another group (sadhaka) posts messages from Swami Ramsukhdasji and that mailing list describes the process. The purpose of this mailing list is to increase our understanding of the messages in Sadhaka group and other teachings of Gita.
So, the answer of this question is that if you would like to enlighten yourself with the process, please read the daily messages of Sadhaka mailing group. If further clarification of the messages in Sadhaka mailing group is required, then you can post questions to this mailing group.

At His feet in service,
G B

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gurumEvAbhigacchEt
"krishnarao lanka"

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Can we re-frame the question, "Who needs/has to realize God?"

There is an underlying assumption in the question"Have you realized God"
i.e. one is me and one is God and I have to realize God.....
the above question,questions this assumption to find out the truth....
If the assumption is not the truth, how can we build a castle on it....

It is an interesting world.... Exploring our self is a very interesting
process....

Sushil Jain

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Dear ALL,
Namaskar!

Realizing God is just to go beyond your MIND and BHUDHI as Lord Krishna has
described in the verse:

INDRYANI PARANYAHUR, INDRIYEBHA PARMAM MANA !
MANASAS TU PARA BHUDHE, YO BHUDHE PARSAS TU SAH!!

Meaning:

Beyond Senses is Mind, beyond mind is Bhudhi and beyond bhudhi is HE (GOD)!

Coming to Sadhika's specific question "Have you realized God? If so, please
enlighten us with the proc"

Realizing God , i.e., going to a state of beyond Bhudhi is just like tasting
sugar and realizing as to what the sweetness is like!!

See, if 10 persons have tasted sugar and thus realized what the feeling of
sweetness is like!! Now all those 10 persons would never be able to make 11th
person understand and realize what the feeling of sweetness is like, using any
method or giving any type of explanations!! The only method for the 11th to
realize what sweetness feels like, is to take sugar himself. Same and similar
would be the case for 12, 13, 14..... or, say every person!!!

Concluding, it is logical to say that anybody who realize GOD, won't be able to
tell to anybody else. Everybody has to realize GOD by himself by going beyond
Bhudhi, i.e., removing his Individualistic state of Egoistic consciousness and
merge into infinite state of consciousness!

My feeling is that that, in that infinite state of consciousness as GODHOOD,
one would feel his existence in whole of Universe(s) as his body, where as in
Individualistic state one feels his existence in his finite human body only!

I may be wrong, other learnt Sadaks of the forum may kindly correct me in my
feeling!

Jai Sri Krishna

(Kuldeep Kumar Kaul)
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Swamijee says,''jab paramaatmaake sivaay any kuchh hai hee naheen, to fir
paramaatmaa apraapt kaise?" [manavmatrake Kalyanke Liye page 73].
We have to remove the misunderstanding that Paramaatmaa is not ever-realized.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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I have not realised God, but Bhagwad-Geeta has described in detail starting with
Chapter 1 and ending at Chapter 18 - how to realise God within us. Kindly go
through this book carefully and raise questions where you find difficulty to act
according to path that is shown. If this difficulty is genuine, some of us will
surely help you, how to overcome this. First start reading this holy scripture.
Jayantilal Shah

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To see God, you have to be there. So, you is all.
You and what you are observing, experiencing is a singular process and not that
God is an object separate from you.
Now to realise-'Why' you want to realise contains the key and not any answer.
Any answer will satisfy the intellect only.
Truth can not be understood by any positive explanation or technique.

It strikes ‘when suddenly all explanations are stopped’ on facing a
favourable or unfavourable situation.

Every outside impact is impacting you either positively, negatively or
neutrally. When you do not react to the impact by explanations, ideas-the ground
of consciousness is touched.

Y V Chawla

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Dear sadaks,
The word realization- means one has know GOD- realization cannot be expressed by
any sense organs. If you have tasted sugar and if I tell you the taste of sugar
you can understand. But if I say have you tasted Tinku, seen dinku, heard of
minku, you will say NO. Like sugar only when one realizes he can accept what I
tell, because he experienced.This experience is out of body.
The process is following that are said in Sastras.Normally realization is
explained by very few saints. One such saint is Thirumoolar who lived 3000
years. He wrote Thirumoolar Thirumanthiram. HE has explained stage by stage for
realization. In short one has to detach himself and practice sadana step by step
for 12 years. Shall continue later
B.S

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The question has an immensity that we not very grat and great human beings can
only propagate our knowledge.The best of my answer is read all possible
lierature and attempt to comprehand conformities.
subhashtewari

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As LORD reveals
human can progress to GOD realization
after undergoing 12 types of yagyas
or stages

1) individual sathool agyan
2) individual indriya awareness or yagya
3) individual / JEEV pran awareness
4) individual manas awareness
5) individual budhi awareness
6) individual atam gyan
7) sarvtr sathool Brahm yagya
8) sarvtr indriya Brahm yagya
9) sarvtr pran Brahm yagya
10) sarvtr budhi Brahm yagya
11) sarvtr kaaran/atam Brahm yagya
12) sarvtr budhi param Brahm yagya
13) sarvtr atam/KAARAN param Brahm yagya
14) sarvtr KAARAN PARAM PARAM BRAHAM yagya
15) SANATAN/ ANAM/aadhaar (no yagya possible)

The ancient rishis have known
that human life is an oppourtunity
to transform individual awareness
into wholesome awareness
or
Kaivalya.


The human subparts like
jad agyan,
indriya agyan,
pran agyan,
manas agyan,
budhi agyan,
are first sacrificed
or
spiritualized to atmik prakash or jeev prakash.

The most important thing these verses
require to grasp is that
kaivalaya or wholesome awareness
is
beyond individual Jad
beyond individual indriya
beyond individual pran
beyond individual manas
beyond individual budhi
beyond individual atma
beyond Jad Brahm

beyond suksham Brahm
beyond Kaaran Brahm
beyond suksham param Braham

beyond Karan param braham
and

can come closest to ANAM
in form of KARAN PARAM PARAM BRAHM
after
one attains
sarvtr atma
divya budhi
divya pran
divya manas
divya Jad
or SAT CHIT ANANDA
or simply attains divya SARIR

Thus concludes LORD in GITA

O ARJUNA BELIEVE ME
YOU SHALL REST IN ME

YOU SHALL BE ME
AND I SHALL BE YOU

JAI SHRI HARI

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For global peace ;
Act local please.

With best greetings
DR PUNEET GUPTA

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Thursday, September 27, 2012

[gita-talk] Re: Please Elaborate - Kusang is taking place along with Satsang

 

swamiji says that the reason you are unable to realize the essential truth is
because "kusang" is taking place, along with "satsang".

Can sadhaks please elaborate with examples on what exactly does swamiji mean by
kusang is taking place along with satsang? How to not have kusang?

Thank you, Bina G K

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Hoi ram ko nam jp tulsi tj kusamaj. sare dosh ek kusang se hi aa jate
h .Me bhagawan ka or kisi ka nhi or kval bhagawan hi mera h .mere to
girdhar gopal dusaro n koi .

SAroj Biyani

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Respected Meeraa Daasjee!
Saadhaka couldn't understand what did you mean by saying, "Besides God everything is ... (whatever)" as there exists God only (Gita 7:19). Will you kindly tell where from that (Besides God everything) came and when? Swameejee says,"ekmaatra bhagawaan hee the, bhagawaan hee hain aur bhagawaan hee rahenge." [page 223 of Manavmatrake Kalyanke Liye].
Humbly Saadhaka

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Raam.....!

While what Mira Dass, GB and Basudeb Sen has mentioned is ultimate truth regarding Satsanga or Kusanga, that association with Sentient is Satsang and with inert (Jagat/Sansaar) is Kusang...but here from day to day sadhana point of view, and from the point of view of fact that the Questioner has asked as to what Maharajji meant, one may take also the view that any SADHAN VIRODHI action is Kusang. Actually, in my view, it is necessary to take that view even considering any association with Sansaar is Kusang from MACRO point of view,.

Definitionwise their answers are perfect and the only TRUTH, but in day to day life an alienation from inert is simply not practical. A karma yogi has to retain doership, and its association with world and serve therefrom. He cant take the aforesaid definition and become a puritan Jnana Yogi. A Bhakti Yogi too keeps indulged in world, may have worldly desires too, like Dhruva had, but then that is not strictly speaking KUSANG. A Bhakta may be AART (sorrowful), ARTHAARTHI (desirous of worldly riches) also and such forms are well recognised by Gita, and may act. But that may not be KUSANG in itself. Hence I would take KUSANG here to mean any prohibitive actions, anything related with BHOG (consumption/enjoyment of worldly pleasures)...yes, but ASSOCIATION WITH WORLD...NO !.

Hence, First, one should never do those actions which are prohibited by Scriptures. That is pucca. Then, one should not indulge in BHOG (doing for oneself/ indulging in gratification of sensory pleasures), and SANGRAH (accumulation /hoarding for one self...you may indulge in genuine accumulation for welfare of others), and in vices like greed, anger and desires for self. Association with world may remain there in a missionary manner. It is very important statement by Maharajji for sadhaks. What happens that you do some good deeds BUT not leave bad also and start feeling yourself to be sadhak. That is fatal. Some good and some bad is there NATURALLY in every creature actually. What is so big about it? Then, to get totally alienated from inert (Jagat/world/Sansaar) is not practical at least at sadhan stage, and Param Shraddheya Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj wrote keeping SADHAKS in view. Hence this august Forum may consider this reply too, along with puritan replies of Mira and Basudeb.

The statement by BS that Gita mentions Bhakti has to be earned is incorrect, and statement by Humble Sadhak that KUSANGA has corelation with doership is also incorrect.

Raam....!!!

Sachin

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Hari Sharanam

Actual KUSANG when you see in context of statement made by Swamiji should mean indulgence into VIKARMAS and SELFISH KARMAS and not...connection with world/prakruti as suggested by Dassji, GB and Senjee. The statements made by Miraji, etc are true on a comprehensive literal basis but not on practical basis. A Sadhak MUST achieve disconnection from ASAT by remaining into the ASAT. Every human gets born under the control and compulsion of Nature. Hence Gita wants you to relinquish world by Karma Yogi in favour of world, by Bhakta in favour of Bhagwaan and by Jnana Yogi in favour of Prakruti. Before you do that, you are naturally associated with Prakruti and that association by itself does not mean KUSANGA (at least from sadhana point of view and from even from Tulsidasji Maharaj's doha...TULSI TAJI KUSAMAJ, referred by a learned contributor).


Ankurr

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Shree Hari Ram Ram

Goswamiji Maharaj says - "Hoyi Ram ko Naam japu" Being God's repeat His Name.
"Tulasi taji kusamaaj" Now what is "kusamaaj"? Besides God everything is
"kusamaaj", that is everything is "kusang" (association with unreal and
untruth) . If you become attached to anything else, then you will get trapped,
there will be no gains. Therefore only that One God is mine. That is satsang.
Everything else is KUSANG.

Meera Das, Ram Ram

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Only Satsang is the sang of God and those amans already in the sang of GOD. All
other worldly sangs (attachment to people, things, anumals, wealth, etc).are
kusang. The more time we spend with the thought of God, more is satsang, the
time we spend in thoughts attached to World is kusang. To be in Satsang is as
good as being in the GOD and therefore the Truth. It is very very difficult to
be in Satsang all the time. But some people een if there in the midst of Worldly
material things, people and wealth, they develop so much detachment that they
see God in everything and therefore to them being with everything becomes being
always in satsang.
Basudeb Sen

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Sat-sanga means association with SAT. SAT is what always exists. God (and self)
always exist. Therefore, satsang means to accept that I am part of God.

Kusang means to associate with ASAT. ASAT has no existence. Mandukya Karika
states that what does not exist in the beginning and end also does not exist in
the middle. So, perishable objects (inert matter) are not real. Therefore,
kusang means to accept that I am part of world and giving importance to
perishable objects and experiences. By giving them importance, we give reality
to ASAT which has ultimately no existence. Giving up kusang means to accept that
I am NOT part of the world and therefore, not to give importance to this world.

In summary --

Do satsang by accepting that I am God's and only God is mine.
Give up kusang by accepting that I am not part of this world and this world is
not mine.

I hope this answers your question. Please reply back if you need further
clarification.

At His feet in service,
G B

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Namaste

Kusang referred by Swamiji , in my humble opinion, means restraint/ negation of evilness in you. Daivy Sampada in you is NATURAL, OBVIOUS and EFFORTLESS. It is only when you form affinity with world with an intent to get pleasure out of it, then KUSANG takes place. Note here, mere affinity, does not produce kusang, it is your me-ness and mine-ness produces that, your desire for bhog and sangrah produces that, your tendency to get something FOR SELF out of world produces that. Your association with World is automatic and obvious, it is forced upon you BUT NOT kusang. Hence a Karma Yogi can afford to remain connected with world and still can remain KUSANG-LESS.

According to me, Kusang has nothing to do with doership etc as suggested by some, nor in Gita God has ever stated that Bhakti is to be earned as suggested by another.

Ashish

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Dear Sadaks,

According to me, without real welfare and sincere love towards fellowmen is
'kusang'. Sat Sangh is talking nothing other athuma, divinity, puranas, learning
sastras, etc. I was watching Bakthi Channel in TV. The Guru with pomp and show,
sitting on king size decorated seat, with costly robes, golden rings, golden
watch and talking of Sridi Sai Baba. Just behind him was the picture of Sridi
Baba who was like bekari (Almost like beggar). Hundreds are sitting and doing
bajan. This Sat Sangh it is less effective one, not faster way. A guru has to
teach humbleness, piety, do and dont on food, most simple way to dress, to
remain equilibrium, etc. Then Sat Sangh. Sat Sangathve -Jeevan Mukthi. Nis
Sanggathe Nirmoolathuvam. (Ref:Bajagovindam)
Sri Krishna Said, " Sat Sangh ( Defined by Sastras) is given to one who does
Puniya Karmas, followed Sastras, respected elders etc and then Guru also given
on basis of credits of good deeds in account". This is computerized and 33 crore
demi gods are recording each and every actions, thought and speech and even
dreams. One has earn it. I believe, Sri Krishna says to Arjuna in Bakthi Yoga,
"I cant give Bakthi - Oh Arjuna you have to earn it". If our Karmas are pure we
get Sat Sangh and Sat Guru. If half baked, wrong Guru and Kusangh. after births
it may happens.
B.S

Shree hari Ram Ram

B. S,
Namasteji, Please point out the verse in Srimad Bhagavad Gita where Lord
Krishna says to Arjuna, you have to earn Bhakti, I cannot give Bhakti. Thank
you,

Ram Ram

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The effect gained during satsang does not stay afterwords because mind converts
this understanding as satisfactory in contrast to one's normal life. It is now
attached to this understanding as it is attached to material things. When this
bondage is seen, only then fusion takes place.
Y V Chawla

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Whenever, we go to a party or marriage reception, after exchanging formal
greetings, conversation immediately turns negative eitther on politicians,or
children or modern education system, corruption, or any other subject whose
negaitive side is talked, discussed aand assimilated in the system. Morning News
Papers also bring news about what wrong thing is going on in the world, state or
your own city. Cinemas also apart from entertainment add vulgar ideas in mind;
so also hoardings as we drive our way home from office.

It appears that Kusang is bombarded from all sides in our day to day life and
one has to try hard to develope positive thinking. Many good things are
happening even in material world e.g. if I wanted to participate in a Satsang
likee this, my labour of wrriting, putting in an envelope, pasting stamp and
putting in Mail Box and hope that my mail will reach its destination in few
days.Now immediately. We can ma itke use of this leisure by devoting to positive
thinking or possitive action by organisations feeding the poor, attending Geeta
classes,, many christians helping orphans, widows, alcoholics etc.

Anything which can be used can also be misused and we have to develope
Discriminating intelligence or Vivek Budhhi to spend 90% of our time in Satsang
and unavoidable 10% otherwise.

Jayantilal Shah

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A very invisible kusang (which one seldom notices) is the sense of doership in
having satsang, forgetting satsang happens (only when God Willing) and none
could ever achieve satsang on own efforts. When the doer vanishes (one
surrenders oneself completely), satsang happens.
Only way is to merge your will into God's Will. Nothing more to be done then.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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[gita-talk] Re: Best Time to Read Shri Bhagavad Gita

 

Namasthe,

please let me know which is the best timing to read Shri Bhagavad Geetha i mean
whether it is good in morning time or evening time.

Arthi

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Even in Gita no time is specified for reading it (Gita), it implies no time is
bad for reading Gita, meaning all time is good for reading Gita. Gita is above
all bondage of time.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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Read Gita whenever you have time and able to concentrate on thinking about the
verses you read. The more you read and think, and try to practice the lessons of
Gita (give up desire, give up ego, do not get jealous or envious of others, do
not hate, do not get angry, do not get disappointed or frustrated, love all, see
God and self in every person, help others whenever you can). Reading verses of
Gita is for the purpose of reminding oneself of what is to be practised in daily
life. The more you read the verses, the greater is the reminder and check on
whether you are pursuing those lessons of Gita in daily life. Just make time, as
much time, as frequently as possible, any time possible to read Gita.
Basudeb Sen

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Any time is good time. Read the meaning of Gita and follow it in your life.

At His feet in service,
G B

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Dear Sadika,
Namaskar!

Any time for reading Bhagvad Gita with devotion can be best. However, after completion of daily chorus, just before going to sleep would be best time read, understand and achieving determination in calm situation of about to get sleep to practice the lessons learnt in day to day affairs from next day!

May Krishna provide you mthe better understanding what he preached in Bhagvad Gita!!

with Regards,

I am
KKK
(Kuldeep Kumar Kaul)
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Dear sadaks,
Can read any time that suits one. But should read and contemplate over and over.
Pradosha Kal is said between 6 to 6.30 p.m. every day. One can observe church
bell rings, Mosque quran read, and our sastars say that Bagavan Shiva Bootha
keep following earth rotation evening 6 to 6.30 P.M, and they bless the ones who
sit in prayer.
B.S

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Evening time,

Komal Chaubisa

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Dear Aarthi,
Jai Shri Krishna

The best timing to read Shrimad Bhagvadgita is 24X7. God Krishna says--
Tasmaat Sarveshukaaleshu Mamanusmar Yudhdhya Cha (Ch.8 Verse 7)
Oh Arjun! Think of Me all times and fight. Shri Gita is all time scriptural
dialogue between God and Human being (Arjun). You can talk to God Krishna
whenever you want through Shri Gita.

Go to the Youtube and type Shri Gita. You will find many chanting the Gita,
including one version by me and Dr. Will Rasmussen who has Ph.D. in Greek
Philosophy but teaches Indian Philosophy in King's College, London University,
London.

Best of Luck
with regards

Mahesh Chandra Sharma
New Delhi

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[gita-talk] Re: What is a perfect (totally fulfilled) life?

 

What is a perfect (totally fulfilled) life?

Ramchandra

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Perfection in human life is realizing that I am not the body, the body is not
mine, the body is not for me. Server relations with body, mind etc. -
"Madroop ubhayam tyajet (Srimad Bhagwat 11/13/26). One attains perfection
quickly by this. From "Bhagwat Praapti ki Sugamtaa" by Swami Ramsukhdasji

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Life devoid of all needs of fulfillment is complete (perfect).
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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This process (described earlier by Bhagawaan) is the supreme intelligence of the intelligent and the cleverness of the most clever, for by following it one can in this very life make use of the temporary and unreal to achieve Me, the eternal reality. (Bhagavatam 11/29/22).

Chapter 29 of 11th book of Bhagavatam are last instructions of Krishna before leaving this planet earth. In above verse, the perfection of life is described. The perfection or goal of life is to use the temporary and unreal body / world to attain the eternal Real (Bhagawann / self). Actually, the eternal Real is already attained because we are THAT Real. But due to illusion, we don't realize it. So, the perfection is to get out of the illusion of self as body / matter and to realize that I am THAT.

This is just explanation of same concept as described by Gita Talk moderators in different words.

At His feet in service,
G B

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Meeting the moment with whatever understanding you have without complaining, blaming, feeling guilty- is the way and not wait for a fulfilled life.
You can never become perfect (dead end).
You are automatically attuned to perfection when you leave the comfort, the wait for becoming perfect.
Y V Chawla
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-Shree Hari-

I have been to death, have made connective with things beyond my ego. So
what is fulfilled not really sure, maybe what is Holy, bow to what is
Holy. I am paralyzed down my right hand side of body,but is only my
body it is not something so simple.

Om Shanti.

Mike Keenor

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Dear ALL,
Namsakar!

To my mind, the perfect (totally fulfilled) life is that in which, one has cent percent contentment!

Please refer verse of B- Gita:

YO NA HARSHTI NA DEWESHTI, NA SHOCHATI NA KANNKHSHATI!

SHUBHA SHUB PRITYAGI GUNATETHA SA UCHATE!!

Jai Shri Krishna!
I am
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(Kuldeep Kumar Kaul)

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[gita-talk] Re: Have you realized God? If so, please enlighten us with the process.

 

Have you realized God? If so, please enlighten us with the process. Thanks.

Ramu Vempati

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Raam....!

Once somebody asked Param Shraddheya Swamiji Shri Ramsuklhdasji Maharaj as to whether He has realised God....the Great Saint replied: To ask this Q and to reply to this Q , both actions will be stupidity. But we should know as to how the Realisation impacts, based on experiences revealed by Great Saints as manifested through their conduct, attitude and words. . There is an idiom prevalent in Western countries: Before Realisation chop wood and carry water; after Realisation chop wood and carry water. There is no difference except that you stop getting impacted by the world, and you get rid of all asuri sampada, bondages, the rope of me..and mine. Once somebody asked Swamiji as to what a human should do after Realisation...He replied..."HALLA NAHIN KARNA CHAAHIYE" (Do not shout about it). There is no difference except in your individual perception of the world, between after and before Realisation states.

Raam....!

Sachin

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Can we re-frame the question, "Who needs/has to realize God?"

There is an underlying assumption in the question"Have you realized God"
i.e. one is me and one is God and I have to realize God.....
the above question,questions this assumption to find out the truth....
If the assumption is not the truth, how can we build a castle on it....

It is an interesting world.... Exploring our self is a very interesting process....

Sushil Jain

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Dear ALL,
Namaskar!

Realizing God is just to go beyond your MIND and BHUDHI as Lord Krishna has described in the verse:

INDRYANI PARANYAHUR, INDRIYEBHA PARMAM MANA !
MANASAS TU PARA BHUDHE, YO BHUDHE PARSAS TU SAH!!

Meaning:

Beyond Senses is Mind, beyond mind is Bhudhi and beyond bhudhi is HE (GOD)!

Coming to Sadhika's specific question "Have you realized God? If so, please enlighten us with the proc"

Realizing God , i.e., going to a state of beyond Bhudhi is just like tasting sugar and realizing as to what the sweetness is like!!

See, if 10 persons have tasted sugar and thus realized what the feeling of sweetness is like!! Now all those 10 persons would never be able to make 11th person understand and realize what the feeling of sweetness is like, using any method or giving any type of explanations!! The only method for the 11th to realize what sweetness feels like, is to take sugar himself. Same and similar would be the case for 12, 13, 14..... or, say every person!!!

Concluding, it is logical to say that anybody who realize GOD, won't be able to tell to anybody else. Everybody has to realize GOD by himself by going beyond Bhudhi, i.e., removing his Individualistic state of Egoistic consciousness and merge into infinite state of consciousness!

My feeling is that that, in that infinite state of consciousness as GODHOOD, one would feel his existence in whole of Universe(s) as his body, where as in Individualistic state one feels his existence in his finite human body only!

I may be wrong, other learnt Sadaks of the forum may kindly correct me in my feeling!

Jai Sri Krishna


(Kuldeep Kumar Kaul)
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Swamijee says,''jab paramaatmaake sivaay any kuchh hai hee naheen, to fir
paramaatmaa apraapt kaise?" [manavmatrake Kalyanke Liye page 73].
We have to remove the misunderstanding that Paramaatmaa is not ever-realized.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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I have not realised God, but Bhagwad-Geeta has described in detail starting with
Chapter 1 and ending at Chapter 18 - how to realise God within us. Kindly go
through this book carefully and raise questions where you find difficulty to act
according to path that is shown. If this difficulty is genuine, some of us will
surely help you, how to overcome this. First start reading this holy scripture.
Jayantilal Shah

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To see God, you have to be there. So, you is all.
You and what you are observing, experiencing is a singular process and not that
God is an object separate from you.
Now to realise-'Why' you want to realise contains the key and not any answer.
Any answer will satisfy the intellect only.
Truth can not be understood by any positive explanation or technique.

It strikes ‘when suddenly all explanations are stopped’ on facing a
favourable or unfavourable situation.

Every outside impact is impacting you either positively, negatively or
neutrally. When you do not react to the impact by explanations, ideas-the ground
of consciousness is touched.

Y V Chawla

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Dear sadaks,
The word realization- means one has know GOD- realization cannot be expressed by
any sense organs. If you have tasted sugar and if I tell you the taste of sugar
you can understand. But if I say have you tasted Tinku, seen dinku, heard of
minku, you will say NO. Like sugar only when one realizes he can accept what I
tell, because he experienced.This experience is out of body.
The process is following that are said in Sastras.Normally realization is
explained by very few saints. One such saint is Thirumoolar who lived 3000
years. He wrote Thirumoolar Thirumanthiram. HE has explained stage by stage for
realization. In short one has to detach himself and practice sadana step by step
for 12 years. Shall continue later
B.S

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The question has an immensity that we not very grat and great human beings can
only propagate our knowledge.The best of my answer is read all possible
lierature and attempt to comprehand conformities.
subhashtewari

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[gita-talk] Re: Have you realized God? If so, please enlighten us with the process.

 

Have you realized God? If so, please enlighten us with the process. Thanks.

Ramu Vempati

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Swamijee says,''jab paramaatmaake sivaay any kuchh hai hee naheen, to fir paramaatmaa apraapt kaise?" [manavmatrake Kalyanke Liye page 73].
We have to remove the misunderstanding that Paramaatmaa is not ever-realized.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

---------------------------------------------------

I have not realised God, but Bhagwad-Geeta has described in detail starting with Chapter 1 and ending at Chapter 18 - how to realise God within us. Kindly go through this book carefully and raise questions where you find difficulty to act according to path that is shown. If this difficulty is genuine, some of us will surely help you, how to overcome this. First start reading this holy scripture.
Jayantilal Shah

------------------------------------------------------

To see God, you have to be there. So, you is all.
You and what you are observing, experiencing is a singular process and not that God is an object separate from you.
Now to realise-'Why' you want to realise contains the key and not any answer. Any answer will satisfy the intellect only.
Truth can not be understood by any positive explanation or technique.

It strikes ‘when suddenly all explanations are stopped’ on facing a favourable or unfavourable situation.

Every outside impact is impacting you either positively, negatively or neutrally. When you do not react to the impact by explanations, ideas-the ground of consciousness is touched.

Y V Chawla

-------------------------------------------------------

Dear sadaks,
The word realization- means one has know GOD- realization cannot be expressed by any sense organs. If you have tasted sugar and if I tell you the taste of sugar you can understand. But if I say have you tasted Tinku, seen dinku, heard of minku, you will say NO. Like sugar only when one realizes he can accept what I tell, because he experienced.This experience is out of body.
The process is following that are said in Sastras.Normally realization is explained by very few saints. One such saint is Thirumoolar who lived 3000 years. He wrote Thirumoolar Thirumanthiram. HE has explained stage by stage for realization. In short one has to detach himself and practice sadana step by step for 12 years. Shall continue later
B.S

-----------------------------------------------------

The question has an immensity that we not very grat and great human beings can only propagate our knowledge.The best of my answer is read all possible lierature and attempt to comprehand conformities.
subhashtewari

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