Wednesday, August 29, 2012

[gita-talk] Re: How can an omnipresent soul leave the body?

 

On anybody's demise, it is said that the soul has left the body. Gita
2 : 24 says that the soul is omnipresent. How can an omnipresent
soul leave any body? How can an ominipresent soul move from a
place (vacate it) to any other place (occupy it)?
Kindly give solution.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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Possibly, sarvagataH is understood as omnipresent. Atma is a replica and a self similar image of Parama Atma. But Atma is not Parama Atma. Atma has the capacity to be anywhere, or go anywhere. But that is all. Parama Atma, on the other hand, has the capacity to go anywhere and is everywhere. that is on eof the several major diferences between Atma and Parama Atma. Parama Atma is in the Body as "Aham vaiSvaanarO bhootvaa praaninaam dehaM ASritaH pacaami annaM caturvidham" (15. 14 Gita). Atma on the other hand is in the body as a temporary tenant or as a traveler in transit lounge. When it is time to board the flight the traveler leaves the transit lounge and flies away to his destination.
2.24 does not say anything about the omnipresence of Atma.

Krishna

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Actually the soul never leaves the body.On death of body it becomes
unmanifest.while being in the body also it is very slightly menifest.
It is menifest in ling shareer.This ling shareer changes bodies and
consciousness trapped in it assumes that it is soul and it transmigrates. This confusion of trapped consciousness where it imagines itself separate from one soul i.e.PARBRAHMA is the reason of its suffering. =N K DIXIT=

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What goes out of the body, when a person dies?
'Nothing' goes out of the body. You as a recognising entity and the other person, dead or alive is a singular process. There is cognition of the other as dead or alive.
'You' and the outer is a singular process.
'You' is the key.
Y V Chawla
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Dear Sadaks,
Soul is not perishable and thus it is said Omnipresent. Other way- The soul is always present but it is moved from body to body by Sri Vishnu. I remember Sri Krishna saying in Geetha that HE will put the soul of a person in another womb where that soul will have conjugal atmosphere to learn divinity, be with good guru etc.
B.S
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Hari Sharanam

How does omnipresence restrict a switchover from one body to another? Besides, you dont vacate or enter...you "adopt"...you agree to, you consent, you accept, you assume, you associate, you connect...how can omnipresence restrict these? Mind you, these are not even actions !!!! What movement is entailed in acceptance? Nothing...in fact !!! Kyaa Jachee Humbleji Maharaj ?

Ankuur
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Dear Saadhaka,

Namaskar!
I could understand the confusion you have come across while reading the verse B-Gita 2:24. To remove your confusion it is very essential to know what exactly Lord Krishna meant by AYAM in ACHADUYAM (please refer the Verse again while reading this response of mine)!! That AYAM IN ACHADUYAM, you have very wrongly translated as SOUL. Not only you, even in Hindi it has been translated as ATMA in B-Gita Book, which also is not correct!!!

In simple terms, you may understand that we have actually three different bodies! First is physical body, second is Astral body which is very similar to what you are in dream and very similar to your physical body and the third is Base (Kaaran) body. This base (Kaaran) body is free of Senses, Mind, Intellect etc. It is about this body, Lord Krishna is referring to as Omnipresent. But, Astral Body which is having all the items of Senses, Mind, Intellect etc in meta-physical form (commonly known as Soul or Atma) IS NOT OMNIPRESENT.

Hope I am clear in my explanation!

jai Sri-Krishna

Kuldeep K. Kaul
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Dear Sadhak,

Soul (also known as Atman and also known as Paramatam) is omnipresent, stationary, and is the real truth. Now when you are talking of soul leaving the physical body on earth, it is not the soul but it is the casual body leaving the physical body on earth. Understand that the Soul is omnipresent and is also present in the casual body.

Your servant,

Kali Sadhak
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In our dharma, it is the mind(impure consciousness or jiva) that creates or assumes a gross form which is the body. What happens during the so called death is that this ego is withdrawn to its source and remains in an unmanifest state. Hence the previously created body appears dead. But, in reality all is One and is Brahman (or God). Again at a suitable time as ordained by Ishwara, the jiva assumes another suitable gross body and continues its journey, hence the so called birth.

But, in reality there's neither birth nor death to the Soul which is identical to Brahman. All the birth and death pertain to only this ego.

This continues as long as the ego thinks itself as a separate entity. Once it realises it's true nature it rests in it and thereafter there's no birth nor death.

This is my humble understanding.

Prashant

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Dears all ,
To explain this question i have to give you the following example. You see the air out side and inside the balloon is same in all respects, but the air in the balloon is called jeev atma bound by the balloon karan shareera. When a man dies this karan shreera is going along with this omnipresent soul but un fortunately separated by the karan shareera that carries this jeevatma through many lokas and again to this karam bhoomi for bearing the fruiteof his past karmas. Thus so far the soul exists as jeevi it is not one with the the omani soul.to merge this bounded soul with the omani soul is sadhana, tapas, yog and moksha..ckkaul
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People often wonder `how can the omnipresent supreme soul which is omnipresent
leaves a dead body and enters another body? It is a very intriguing observation
but can be fathomed this way:
Atman or Brahman is conceived as per sanatan philosophy as `viruddha bhavasaya'
who simultaneously supports contradictory aspects within Himself. Good and evil,
virtue and vice both flow from Him as he is the only source of all. He is
conceived as `sakara' (entity with all physical forms) as well as nirakara
(without any form at the same time. These are only different aspects (bhavas) of
Him as projected in our consciousness.

Likewise Brahman or the supreme soul is both `sakriya' displaying His active
aspect and `niskriya ` signifying His uninvolved and inactive aspect.

When Brahman enters a body of a jiva, it is His sakriya aspect that activates
its functioning so that the jiva performs its ordained tasks for which it was
conceived using the body as the tool. When the body exhausts its potential for
the particular task in hand, it is time for a new body- a new tool- so that its
evolutionary progress continues. Brahman or Atman assumes His niskriya mode and
the discarded body disintegrates into its source elements (panchabhutas) and the
source elements combine to form another body. Brahman is always there in every
stage of the process supervising and as the principal and only activating force
(karaka). The creation goes on with its cycle of `coming to being' (sristi),
existence ( sthiti) and transmutation (bilay). The base for all this is still
Brahman the everlasting and omnipresent.

God bless you – Sri Bimal mohanty
17.8.12

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[gita-talk] And what we do after Realising God ? What Next ?

 

And what we do after realising god ? What next ?

Sanjeev

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How can God be Realized Quickly ?
( Shighra Bhagwat Praapti Kaise Ho? )

Shree Hari

20th August, 2012, Monday
Adhik Bhaadrapad Shukla Tritiya, Vikram Samvat 2069, Somvaar,
(continued)

The day that a deep longing is awakened within an aspirant that God should be realized right now ! at this very moment ! now ! …. NOW ! On that very same day, he will realize God ! God can be realized based on the power of an aspirant's abilities, is practices etc., is entirely impossible. God is realized only due to intense longing only. Whether you believe in God with attributes and qualities or without attributes and qualities, with form or without form, or whichever real state you believe in, you cannot stay without him, you are totally uneasy without Him. Just as the devout Meerabai has said

Hailee maahnsyun hari bin rahyo na jaaye ||

"O' friend ! I cannot stay without my Lord (Hari).

Even the worshippers of the attributeless Ones have said -

Din nahi bhook, rain nahin nidraa,

Chin-chin vyaakul hotaa hiyaa,

Chitavan mori tumase laagi piyaa ||

Without the realization of the real essence (tattva), one does not feel hungry during the day, and at night one does not feel sleepy ! How can You be attained ! What should I do? Every moment, the anguish is increasing in the heart. Leaving That aside, nothing else is appealing.

Even the saints have said -

"Narayan" Hari lagan mein yeh paancho na suhaat |

Vishaya Bhog, Nidraa hasi, jagat priti, bahu baat ||

The day that these five sense enjoyments (worldly sense pleasures, sleep, laughter, the world appearing to be pleasant, lot of talking) are no longer appealing, rather they appear bitter or not enjoyable, then that very moment, separation from God will not be tolerated. That very same day, God will be realized.

Such a dear Lord ! Such a loving God! none has appeared dear, is not dear, will not be as dear, can never be as dear as Him, such a One, we are spending away our time without Him ! our dear Lord ! We are living happily, without meeting Him !

God says, make do with what there is, there is no need for more, therefore you are not fulfilling your desire. However, he who becomes restless and unhappy for God, then God will not be able to tolerate His suffering. Without meeting God, we are sleeping peacefully, we are resting and relaxing! It is such a black day. If every moment without God, we experience much suffering, the life undergoes much restlessness, then God will be realized that very same moment. There is no delay in meeting Him. God cannot bare the suffering of a devotee on the subject of God Realization. He is an ocean of grace !

Then too the world is suffering ! The world is unhappy due to suffering. It wants more suffering, more difficulties, more wealth, more children-grand-children etc! If they saddened due to not beholding God, then God will come immediately. For Him, let that one intense longing take place within, that how can I behold God? How can I meet Him? What should I do? Where should I go? Let there be such a state of agitation and restlessness. (to be continued)

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[gita-talk] Re: The Bhagavad Gita - Daily Message - 7-22

 

Shree Hari 


II  7:22  II

 

sa tayaa sraddhayaa yuktastasyaaraadhanamihate

labhate ca tatah kaamaanmayaiva vihitaanhi taan (Gita 7:22)

 

That faith, (instilled through Me), endowed with faith, he worships that demi-god, and obtains his desired fruition, as arranged by Me. 

 

Comments - According to a man's desire (God) Himself, makes a devotees' faith firm in the worship of various demi-gods (devataas), and Bhagwaan Himself satisfies their various desires through the various demi-gods (devataas).  This is Bhagwaan's immense generosity, but man only believes that it is through the worship of the various demi-gods (devataas) themselves,  that his desires were fulfilled.  In reality, all demi-gods are dependent and subordinate to Bhagwaan.  The ability and the rights to satisfy desires, has been given to them by Bhagwaan Himself.


II  7:21  II

 

yo yo yaam yaam tanum bhaktah shraddhyarchirtumitchyati

tasya tasyaa chalaam shraddhaam taameva viddhaamyaham (Gita 7:21)

 

Whatever celestial form a devotee seeks to worship, with faith,  in those forms itself, I steady the faith of the devotee. 

 

Comments - In life it is seen that generally a man desires that other people be drawn towards him, he wants them to trust him, to become his disciple, to have reverence for him, to offer him regard, to respect, regard and worship him, to obey him, to follow his sect, etc., But God, in spite of being superior to all, does not make anyone dependent, but he makes the faith of a devotee steady in the deity, whom he seeks to worship - this shows the great generosity and impartiality of God.



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[gita-talk] Re: The Bhagavad Gita - Daily Message - 7-21

 

Shree Hari 


II  7:21  II

 

yo yo yaam yaam tanum bhaktah shraddhyarchirtumitchyati

tasya tasyaa chalaam shraddhaam taameva viddhaamyaham (Gita 7:21)

 

Whatever celestial form a devotee seeks to worship, with faith,  in those forms itself, I steady the faith of the devotee. 

 

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II  7:20  II

 

kaamaistaistairhrtajnaanaah prapadyante'nyadevataah

tam tam niyamamaasthaaya prakrtyaa niyataah svayaa (Gita 7:20)

 

However, those men whose discrimination (vivek, jnana) has been captivated by desires, such men influenced by their nature, holding on to the disciplines of their own precepts and demi-gods, entirely devoted to them, they exclusively worship and take refuge in them. 

 

Comments -  He who has turned away from Bhagwaan, and has turned towards worldly life, they take refuge in various demi-gods to fulfill their worldly desires.  "Everything is only God", and even in the form of these demi-gods, it is only that One God, that knoweldge is concealed from them, due to desires for worldly pleasures and hoarding.  

 

Question:  In Gita 7:16, the description of devotee who is a seeker of wealth (arthaarthi), and the afflicted (aart) devotee,  in them also there is a desire to earn a lot of wealth and to get rid of their suffering, then in this verse, why has God criticized those men with desires ? 

 

Answer -  There is a major difference in the two types of men, In Gita 7:16, the explanation is for those men who are devotees, whereas this verse addresses the worldly men.  In a devotee, the primary is God, whereas, in the worldly men, satisfying of worldly desires comes first.  A devotee depends on only God.  Whereas worldly men take the support of many celestial forms of demi- god and goddesses (devis-devataas), because they are more concerned with fulfillment of their desires not in the demi-gods themselves.



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Sunday, August 26, 2012

[gita-talk] Re: Sadhaka Comments Pertaining to Gita 7/19

 


Yes, seeing the Paramatma every where in and around one is seeking Reality and living an integrated, unified existence as Paramatma. The success in this may be extremely rare, but as Parmatna is the essence of the World and the World exists only in Paramatma,  it is not that we practice disregarding the World but getting over the practice of living a compartmentalise narrow vision life that is split between different elements of the World and the Paramatma.
Basudeb Sen


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According to me, the very secret meaning of this statement by Swami Jee
is as per Gita wisdom of great trinity runs the cosmos.
 
The trinity of Gita
vasudeva  - kutasth/uttam purush - purush
well known in Bible as
 
Holy Father   - Holy Ghost -   son of God
 
tells us that Vasudeva along with Kutasth
creats CHIT which give rise to CHAITNYA
 
Chetna is modified further when it has a quantum leap
 in the defined orbit of energy of KAARAN PURUSH having PANCH-MAHABHOOT (MAHAR level)
into lower orbits or status as
mental organs/CHITTA (BUDHI and MANAS as defined in Gita) of SUKSHAM PURUSH (BHUVR & SWAR level) 
and still further in lower levels
mental has to work along with matter as PANCH BHOOT (solid,liquid,plasma,gas,space).
 
This pairing set a wonderful  deceptive  stage for 
every person to die selecting wanted and rejecting unwanted
thus taking one away from the real,SHASHWAT world of Vasudeva;
never thinking of Vasudeva the Holy Father
or PARAM PITA and the Holy land/ PARAM DHAM.
 
we thus are cheated by the non-SHASHWAT,
NON-TRUTHFULL creation of son of God when converted into
individual mental and material world.
 
Thus the PURUSH status and more
 when realized or achieved by anyone like swami jee
then alone PURUSH (JYAN level) can take
followers to VASUDEVA (SAT level)
that too
after crossing through the quantum level of KUTASTH (TAP level). 
 
This is how one travel through an arduous journey of seven quantum levels
BHU,BHUVR,SWAR,MAHAR,JYAN,TAP (non-real) and
finally into
VASUDEV/ SAT (real - never changing - anam level) SHARNAM.
 
JAI SHREE HARI.
-- 
For global peace ;
Act local please.

With best greetings

DR PUNEET GUPTA

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Hari Om

According to me, when Swamiji says that there is no existence at all of inert (NASATO VIDYATE BHAVAH) , it has to mean you should disregard totally the same and watch the basis beneath, viz Paramatma.. It is a law: A changing object can survive only on an unchanging platform...like movie gets reflected on a fixed unmoving screen. The problem in understanding the concept of Vasudev Sarvam emerges, when we start regarding and respecting world under the garb of it. We do not disconnect from it saying all is Vasudev...why I should. Actually, in all Yogas, be it Karma Yoga or Jnana Yoga or Bhakti you never continue connection with world...your goal is to disconnect with the world. It is a law: You can know the world only after getting disconnected with it. When you get disconnected with world, then you know (rather experience) that the world is all pervaded by Paramatma only, and then you know that there exists nothing except Him.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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You can not find consciousness as an object. 
"˜You" and the outer is one as consciousness.
 

The clear understanding that "˜you and what you are observing, experiencing" can not stop at a satisfactory point is your attunement to supreme relaxation-the self-sustained ground.

As whatever comes before you can not be escaped. It is "˜you". Hitherto, one was busy in holding the pleasant and rejecting the unpleasant as alien. When freed from this exercise, one is attuned to oneself, to the Original. 

Y V Chawla


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Shree Hari 



II  7:19  II

 

bahunaam janmanaamante jnaanavaanmaam prapadyate

vaasudevah sarvamiti sa mahaatmaa sudurlabhah (Gita 7:19)

 

In the very last of all births i.e. in this human form, when one realizes that everything is only Paramatma (Supreme Consciousness, God), in this manner he who takes refuge in Me, that great soul (mahaatma) is extremely rare indeed.

 

Comments - A spiritual seeker initially sees Paramatma (Supreme Consciousness, God) somewhere far, then he see Him close, then he sees Paramatma in himself, and then he only see Paramatma.  A Karma (one who performs self-less service) yogi sees Paramatma as being close, Jnana (knowledge) yogi sees Paramatma in himself, and Bhakt sees Paramatma everywhere.  Everything is only Paramatma - having experience of this is true refuge in God (Sharanagati), in other words where only the one surrendered to remains (Sharanya), the one taking refuge (sharanagat) does not remain.

 

It is Gita's highest aim "All is Paramaamta" (Vasudeva Sarvam". In our eyers the "sarvam" (world) is existent, therefore to make us understand this, Paramatma said "Vasudeva Sarvam".  In reality, there is "only Paramatma" (only Supreme Consciousness).  There is no "All" (sarvam) at all !  Because world (all, sarvam) being unreal (non-existent, perishable, asat), that all (sarvam) has no independent existence of it's own, none whatsoever - "Nasato Vidhyate bhaavah" (Gita 2:16). 

 

Just like in the field, initially the wheat was sown and in the end only wheat will come out, but in-between, on seeing green stalk and green fields all over, yet it is still called "wheat fields".  If some grazing animals eat the small wheat plants and the green stalk, the farmer says, his wheat was eaten away by animals, even though the animal did not eat a single grain of wheat. In the same manner, before the creation of this Universe, there was Paramaamta, and in the end, only Paramaatma will remain, but in the middle, even though Paramaatma is not seen, yet everything is only Paramaatma (Supreme Consciousness, God).  Just like the fields that come from grains of wheat, are only wheat, similarly, the World that is manifested from Paramaamta, is only Paramaatma. Paramaatma did not get materials from somewhere else to create this Universe.  Rather Paramaatmaa Himself became the form of this World. This World is Bhagwaan's first manifestation (avataar) - "Aadhyoavataaro yatraasau bhootagraamo vibhaavyate," (Srimad. Bhag. 3:6:8)

 

Just like he who is thirsty within, only he sees water.  If he is not thirsty, than even if the water is in front of his eyes, it will not be seen.  Similarly, he who has thirst, longing, desire, craving  (laalasaa, lagan) for Paramatmaa, they see Paramatmaa, whereas he who has thirst for the world, he sees the world.  When there is thirst for Paramaatmaa, then thirst for world vanishes, disappears, becomes non-existent (lupt) and he who has thirst for the world, for them Paramaatmaa vanishes, disappears, becomes non-existent (lupt).  The point is, on having thirst for the world, inspite of their being no world, no illusion as to worldly reality, like a mirage in the desert, it begins to be seen, an on having a longing, a thirst for God, inspite of Paramaatmaa not being seen, we begin to seen Him.  When thirst for Paramaatmaa is awakened, then the devotee does not think of past, nor does he have expectation for the future, and in the present, he feels restless without realizing Paramaatmaa.."

 From Gita Prabodhani by Swami Ramsukhdasji  

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Friday, August 24, 2012

[gita-talk] Gita-Talk REVISED Guidelines

 

Shree Hari Ram Ram

Gita-talk is being resumed after an extended gap.

1) This group was initiated in 2005 with the inspiration and blessings of Swamiji, with the objective of allowing a forum for sadhaks to address any doubts they may have regarding the daily sadhaka messages posted at:

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2) Secondly, the objective was to share the the Gita verses (shlokas) on a regular basis, so that sadhaks can contemplate and inquire on the deeper meaning of the Gita and become familiar and well-versed in the shlokas.

3) The group will occasionally keep sadhaks informed on extremely important issues such as gau seva, improving society, woman issues, conflicts and their causes, art of living etc.

To fulfill these objectives and to keep sadhaks informed and engaged, we are resuming the daily Gita verse and posting any questions arising from the daily sadhak messages and related responses from sadhakas.


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1. Only responses that are BRIEF, RELEVANT and further clarify Gita message will be posted. All responses will not be posted. Responses that conflict with scriptures and Swamiji's writings will not be posted.
2. Sadhaks are encouraged to quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible.
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[gita-talk] Re: The Bhagavad Gita - Daily Message - 7-19

 

Shree Hari 



II  7:19  II

 

bahunaam janmanaamante jnaanavaanmaam prapadyate

vaasudevah sarvamiti sa mahaatmaa sudurlabhah (Gita 7:19)

 

In the very last of all births i.e. in this human form, when one realizes that everything is only Paramatma (Supreme Consciousness, God), in this manner he who takes refuge in Me, that great soul (mahaatma) is extremely rare indeed.

 

Comments - A spiritual seeker initially sees Paramatma (Supreme Consciousness, God) somewhere far, then he see Him close, then he sees Paramatma in himself, and then he only see Paramatma.  A Karma (one who performs self-less service) yogi sees Paramatma as being close, Jnana (knowledge) yogi sees Paramatma in himself, and Bhakt sees Paramatma everywhere.  Everything is only Paramatma - having experience of this is true refuge in God (Sharanagati), in other words where only the one surrendered to remains (Sharanya), the one taking refuge (sharanagat) does not remain.

 

It is Gita's highest aim "All is Paramaamta" (Vasudeva Sarvam". In our eyers the "sarvam" (world) is existent, therefore to make us understand this, Paramatma said "Vasudeva Sarvam".  In reality, there is "only Paramatma" (only Supreme Consciousness).  There is no "All" (sarvam) at all !  Because world (all, sarvam) being unreal (non-existent, perishable, asat), that all (sarvam) has no independent existence of it's own, none whatsoever - "Nasato Vidhyate bhaavah" (Gita 2:16). 

 

Just like in the field, initially the wheat was sown and in the end only wheat will come out, but in-between, on seeing green stalk and green fields all over, yet it is still called "wheat fields".  If some grazing animals eat the small wheat plants and the green stalk, the farmer says, his wheat was eaten away by animals, even though the animal did not eat a single grain of wheat. In the same manner, before the creation of this Universe, there was Paramaamta, and in the end, only Paramaatma will remain, but in the middle, even though Paramaatma is not seen, yet everything is only Paramaatma (Supreme Consciousness, God).  Just like the fields that come from grains of wheat, are only wheat, similarly, the World that is manifested from Paramaamta, is only Paramaatma. Paramaatma did not get materials from somewhere else to create this Universe.  Rather Paramaatmaa Himself became the form of this World. This World is Bhagwaan's first manifestation (avataar) - "Aadhyoavataaro yatraasau bhootagraamo vibhaavyate," (Srimad. Bhag. 3:6:8)

 

Just like he who is thirsty within, only he sees water.  If he is not thirsty, than even if the water is in front of his eyes, it will not be seen.  Similarly, he who has thirst, longing, desire, craving  (laalasaa, lagan) for Paramatmaa, they see Paramatmaa, whereas he who has thirst for the world, he sees the world.  When there is thirst for Paramaatmaa, then thirst for world vanishes, disappears, becomes non-existent (lupt) and he who has thirst for the world, for them Paramaatmaa vanishes, disappears, becomes non-existent (lupt).  The point is, on having thirst for the world, inspite of their being no world, no illusion as to worldly reality, like a mirage in the desert, it begins to be seen, an on having a longing, a thirst for God, inspite of Paramaatmaa not being seen, we begin to seen Him.  When thirst for Paramaatmaa is awakened, then the devotee does not think of past, nor does he have expectation for the future, and in the present, he feels restless without realizing Paramaatmaa.."



II  7:18  II

 

udaaraah sarva evaite jnaani tvaatmaiva me matam

aasthitah sa hi yuktaatmaa maamevaanuttamaam gatim (Gita 7:18)

 

All these four devotees are noble, however the jnani (Loving) devotee, is my very own Self - this is my view.  Because he is inseparable from Me, and there is no other better nobler state than this, like that he is firmly situated and rooted in Me.

 

Comments:  To call the Seeker of wealth (arthaarthi), the afflicted (aart), seekers of knowledge (jigyaasu) as generous, is actually the generosity of Bhagwaan (God)!  The point of calling them generous is that they all have a disinclination for the world, and an inclination towards God. 

 

The Knower of Essential Truths (Tattva Jnani) has similar nature as with God "mama saadharmyamaagataah,"  (Gita 14:2), but a devotee has a feeling of intimacy, kinship, as if God is his very own.  -  "jnaani tvaatmaiva mein matam." In the similarity of nature, in both the embodied soul (Jeev) and Universal Consciousness (Brahma), there is abscence of distinction. But between the devotee and Bhagwaan, there is feeling of my very own, a special feeling of kinship, of intimacy.  In the similarity between embodied soul and brahma, the two become one.  In the feeling of intimate kinship and oneness between the devotee and God, the one become two, for their love-play. In the knower of Essential Truths (Tattva Jnani) there remains a very subtle egoism, but in a devotee, the egoism is totally and entirely wiped out altogether, therefore Bhagwaan says "Jnaani tvameva mein matam."


From "Gita Prabodhani" in hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji


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