Thursday, June 28, 2012

[gita-talk] Re: Please Share Your Thoughts - ETHICS is Spiritualism, Dharma

 


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Ethics must be the overriding strength in every dispensation.
Ethics is 'spiritualism, dharma' ; personal ethics' leads to
'professional ethics', which leads to freedom from corruption,
empowerment, establishment of truth; wellbeing and happiness to all
and sustainability.

RPLAHIRI

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it is not EGO but WEGO if we get rid of ego all problems solve god is
with in you. "aham brahmasmi" i am brahma i am god, sw vivekananda
told each soul is potentially divine but forgetting the divinity we
are exibiting more animal instinct...it is something like the plane
will take round and take off to the sky 36000 feet high, it will not
be rounding on the tarmac, like wise if man is rounding on the earth
only like an animal when he will go to god

god bless you

swamiji
SWAMI KRISHNANANDA

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Excellent discourse especially the philosophy bit by Prof M D Apte but I have to say that I totally disagree with G C Mathur's corruption in India being explained by the Indian/Hindu culture of bribery. Here Mathur ji is still living under a colonial influence of his masters and sadly has become a Macaulayite under the education system through the schools he built for him out of a fraction of the profits and taxes the colonial took to please the simple mind of a G C Mathur and the like. Mathur should know that the Hindu culture is based on Karma where we earn ethically for our living and do not plunder and bribe. The fact that he is talking about a culture of India which is still not recovered from the last dark millennium in its long history and in fact it still needs a dynasty now headed by an Italian, not Indian, to unite its ruling party is something he should be introspecting more about rather than excusing his frustration with the victims culture.

However the last millennium of living under the dictates of non-Indian cultures has led to sadly an internalised selfishness also but I see it as a sort of protectionism, where even the spirituality is turned topsy-turvy as illustrated by the Sadhaka below suggesting to look after the Self only and not worry about others. Here the spiritual Ethic has rightly been overturned against Bhagwan Krishna's teachings in the Gita which tell us to look after others rather than our Self.

This is the only ethic, spiritual ethic, which needs recovering, salvaging, that one's Moksha of Self lies in helping others, not in the selfish looking after of one Self and ignoring others or leaving them to their Karma even if they are suffering; its only this internalised defence, this protectionism developed in the last millennium, that needs to be turned on its head and the ETHIC of spirituality to look after others at any cost to oneself, within ones set of duties and responsibilities to oneself, family, society etc. of course, needs to be recovered, since without this ethic Lord Krishna has taught in the Gita that Moksh would remain delusional.

Anil Bhanot

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Everything depends upon the intention of an individual, thats all. Rest everything follows whether ethics or outcome.
Dr.A.K.Mukhi

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RPLAHIRI ,

You are correct. But ethics change with time.

For example, Indian women used to wear only one piece of cloth before Islamic invasion. Both men and women will be scantily clad and many times women will not cover their breasts as shown in our old paintings and sculptures. But due to influence of Islamic culture, now Indian values system has changed and to the extend that "parda system" became part of Hindu values.. If women dress like Vedic culture, then it won't be considered good. It has changed so much that Hindu Gods are also now shown wearing Islamic influenced clothes. Hindu Gods will wear different clothes and many Goddesses will be bare breasted in 700-800 year older paintings and sculptures. That is one reason Islamic invaders destroyed our temples because our culture was against their beliefs.

Ethics related to body changed. The nature of soul does not change. Self always remains sat, chid, anand and nirmal i.e. eternal, full of knowledge and bliss and completely pure.

You need to look at both - ethics related to body and nature of self.

At His feet in service,
G B

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In my opinion, the lack of unity among us is mainly due to different language and culture of our people. To make matters worse this lack of unity among our rulers(kings) invited many a foreign invasion. The Muslim invaders destroyed our age old temples and culture and made us beggers by taking our riches. Then came the British thugs they adopted the policy of divide and rule and looted our countries wealth. The present Government is also adopting the same policy of divide and rule to stay in power and looting our nation. Now only Lord Krishna should come back early again and save this nation and people.
S.Vaidyanathan

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Morality is ESSENTIAL for Spirituality … but, NOT SUFFICIENT!

Social and personal conformity to the inherent and apparent tendencies and requirements is essential to raise The Wisdom from within to appreciate spirituality encore. All ethics are devised to actualize the same effectively because one cannot enable the innate quality of wisdom without self-discipline! As far as the ethics are appreciated and applied to empower the wisdom from within, to purge the inertia and fears from deep within, and to disperse the ignorance and desires away ... its purpose is served.

But at the same time, there are chances that the ego within may turn the same ethics into etiquettes, rather very reverential etiquettes, very cleverly to sustain and promote itself! That is when the very ethics, rules of conduct, may become a forte for the ego within ... and work against the very spirituality! The very ethical practice (Yoga) may become a cult in disguise!! Therefore, morality is NOT SUFFICIENT for spiritual progress!!!

For the ethical practice (Yoga) to be effective, morality MUST associate with its two other partners: Gnyaana (perpetual awareness of the true meanings and purposes of the ethics) and Shraddhaa (steadfast commitment to the effective execution of the same awareness into the very living).

THE TRINITY OF SHRADDHAA, GNYAANA AND YOGA COMPLETE EACH OTHER WHEN SUBMITTED TO THE TRUTH. HENCE, AWAREFUL AND RESOLUTE SUBMISSION TO THE TRUTH IN ALL ACTIVITIES REMAINS THE MOST ESSENTIAL OF ALL FOR SPIRITUAL PROGRESS.

THE TRUTH ALONE REMAINS SUFFICIENT FOR BEINT TRUTH. HENCE, BECOMING THAT REMAINS THE ONLY SUFFICIENT FOR BEING THAT AS EVER.

|| Tasyai tapo damah karmeti pratishThaa | Vedaah sarvaangaani | Satyamaayatanam ||

Respects.

Naga Narayana.

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ethics may change from time to time
say ethics in
satyuga
when every one is aware of atam existence

is different then ethics of
treta yuga
when one is aware of budha chetan

then ethics of dwapar yuga
when one is aware of manas ahankar chetan

then ethics in kaliyuga
where one is aware of jad
and believe in material existence alone

however
Dharma remain always same
as nishkaam karma alone
can lead to real Dharma fellowship
where all actions done by
divya sarir
are divine and divya alone..

"Dr. Puneet Gupta"

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Hari krishna

Ethics included is spiritualism
however
ethics alone is not spiritualism.

one has to be adapt in various kriyas yagyas yog
after ananya bhakti

then alone the great of the greatest secret
of Moksha
is revealed as assured by
HARI kRISHNA in Gita.

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For global peace ;
Act local please.

With best greetings

DR PUNEET GUPTA

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Corruption is a Culture in India. Posted by: "G. C. Mathur"

"I received the following message which I would like to share with you
all to know your responses in relation to the Anna Hazare's Movement
against corruption - Vote for Congress or RSS Family (BJP), one is
graduate and the other a Post Graduate according to Annaji:

Indians are Hobbesian.(culture of self interest)

Corruption in India is a cultural aspect.
Indians seem to think nothing peculiar about corruption .
It is everywhere.

Indians tolerate corrupt individuals rather than correct them.

No race can be congenitally corrupt.
But can a race be corrupted by its culture?

To know why Indians are corrupt ,
look at their patterns and practices .

First:

Religion is transactional in India.
Indians give God cash and anticipate an out-of-turn reward.
Such a plea acknowledges that favours are needed for the undeserving.

In the world outside the temple walls,
such a transaction is named- "bribe".

A wealthy Indian gives not cash to temples,
but gold crowns and such baubles.

His gifts can not feed the poor. His pay-off is for God.
He thinks it will be wasted if it goes to a needy man.

In June 2009, The Hindu published a report of Karnataka minister
G. Janardhan Reddy gifting a crown of gold and diamonds worth
Rs 45 crore to Tirupati.

India's temples collect so much that
they don't know what to do with it.
Billions are gathering dust in temple vaults.

When Europeans came to India they built schools.
When Indians go to Europe & USA, they build temples.

Indians believe that if God accepts money for his favours,
then nothing is wrong in doing the same thing.
This is why Indians are so easily corruptible.

Indian culture accommodates such transactions morally.
There is no real stigma. An utterly corrupt politician can
make a comeback, just unthinkable in the West.

Second -

Indian moral ambiguity towards corruption is visible in its history.
Indian history tells of the capture of cities and kingdoms after guards
were paid off to open the gates, and commanders paid off to surrender.

This is unique to India.

Indians' corrupt nature has meant limited warfare on the subcontinent.
It is striking how little Indians have actually fought compared to
ancient Greece and modern Europe.

The Turks' battles with Nadir Shah were vicious and fought to the finish.

In India fighting wasn't needed, bribing was enough to see off armies.

Any invader willing to spend cash could brush aside India's kings,
no matter how many tens of thousands soldiers were in their infantry.

Little resistance was given by the Indians at the "Battle" of Plassey.
Clive paid off Mir Jaffar and all of Bengal folded to an army of 3,000.

There was always a financial exchange to taking Indian forts.
Golconda was captured in 1687 after the secret back door was left open.

Mughals vanquished Marathas and Rajputs with nothing but bribes.

The Raja of Srinagar gave up Dara Shikoh's son Sulaiman to
Aurangzeb after receiving a bribe.

There are many cases where Indians participated
on a large scale in treason due to bribery.

Question is: Why Indians have a transactional culture while
other 'civilized' nations don't?

Third -

Indians do not believe in the theory that they all can rise
if each of them behaves morally, because that is not
the message of their faith.

Their caste system separates them.
They don't believe that all men are equal.
This resulted in their division and migration to other religions .

Many Hindus started their own faith like Sikh, Jain, Buddha
and many converted to Christianity and Islam.

The result is that Indians don't trust one another .

There are no Indians in India ,there are
Hindus ,Christians, Muslims and what not.

Indians forget that few hundred years ago they all belonged to one faith.

This division evolved an unhealthy culture.
The inequality has resulted in a corrupt society,

In India every one is thus against everyone else,
except God ­ and even he must be bribed."
"G. C. Mathur"

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I share my experience in this subject. Once upon a time, I thought that living a life of telling truth, not cheating anyone, work hard for earning is spiritual. Those were the days of License - Quota - Permit Raj. To lead a morally true life, I did not take quota which would bring me income five times more than what my genuine hard work would provide. In the process, I developed 'Ego' that I superior to others till one saintly person drew my attention that there are three types of life virtues e.g. Regular daily life i.e. getting up early, go for walk, do asana and pranyam etc.; then there is moral life of Truthfulness,sanctity of married life, abstain from drinking etc. and there is also a spiritual life to come out of Hatred, Greed and Arrogance. Once I came to know my mistake, I started correcting myself with a blend of Karma, Bhakti,Meditattion and Divine knowledge as explained in Bhagwad - Geeta. To-day I am 86 yrs. old and keep myself fit after I understood and later practiced blend off regullar daily life, moral life and spiritual life.
Jayantilal Shah

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One is bound by the law of the land.
In all other matters, an adult is free to explore.
It is this freedom, which enables one to find the Truth.
Y V Chawla

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It is true since, interestingly values, ethics, happiness are all in everyone of us.
As we understand ourselves better, we begin to express the values, ethics, more freely.....in happiness....

Spirituality is the wisdom (the experiential knowledge). It helps us to understand ourselves and the life processes. It is at one level common sense and all empowering. It also helps us elevates our consciousness level making our lives joyful....

So, everyone of us needs an opportunity to have the basic foundation on the life processes to understand ourselves, others and the existence.... It is possible to have this foundation through the formal education in schools and colleges... It is not moral education...

It is simple, self-exploration, knowing and verification of life process at individual level...... It is knowing what we actually want, what our status is and what is our potential to be...

Good news is that it is happening now impactfully through formal education in the universities.....

Sushil Jain

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MAN IS A MORAL BEING:

Man is a created being; he is created as a physical being, mental being, social being, moral being, and a spiritual being. This characteristic called discernment has a moral quality as it distinguishes right from wrong and good from evil. Spirit and Spirituality establishes functional unity of the Whole Human organism and brings Peace, Harmony, and Tranquility in the subjective living experience by bringing together these five functional and organizational aspects of the human being.

Dr. R. Rudra Narasimham, B.Sc., M.B.B.S.

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Dear sadaks,
Ethics is foundation to Bad or Good.
B.S

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If man stops worrying about others, and improves himself, then the world will improve.

Lahiriji, what will ETHICS do? [present state of human beings all over is evidence] When one does not want to look at one's self, and instead are worrying about the entire world?

HINDI
yadi manushy doosaronkee chintaa chhod, swayanko sudhaar le to jag sudhar jaay.
Lahurijee, ETHICS kyaa karegee [present state of human beings all over is evidence], jab swayan ko to dekhanaa naheen hai aur chintaa saare jagakee karee jaay?
Humbly,
Saadhaka.

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Not a thing to be imposed. Just practiced.
Veena

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ETHICS AND BUSINESS ETHICS
---- Prof M. D. Apte

Bhaarateey philosophy tells us that an individual can think and take actions in different ways;
right or wrong. The right way is that which will give an effect not harmful to anyone individual or even
environment or nature. That way in which the thought or action is likely to result in the harm of anyone
is wrong one. Philosophy asks every individual to ensure that he refrain from wrong thoughts as well as
actions. The way of right thoughts and actions is known as Neetishaastra. The manner of actions that
the individuals take in that case is known as Neeti.
A single English word describing the correct meaning of Sanskrit word Neeti as referred to in
Sanskrit literature and philosophical discourses, is not available. We need to describe in English what
Neeti does to have general idea of its meaning. Factually Neeti signifies an attitude and conduct (of an
individual) that expresses and represents a whole way of life. The concept includes carrying out duties
and obligations, familial and social and the exercise of practical wisdom in affairs, both, private and
public: the wisdom of not a saint or a sage but that has to govern the thinking and conduct of persons of
this world who are in this world. Neeti will entail resolute action taken after careful consideration and
deliberation of its effect/s.
The conception of Neeti-shaastra or ethics, as it is called, is a very fundamental to Bhaarateey
thought which has the central concept of the Purusharths; Dharma, Artha & Kaam. These are
considered as objects of human existence on which the society exists and give it a framework for its
actions & relationships. This framework gives the structure to the basic Indian philosophy. Dharma has
various meanings; the Law, Righteousness, Duty, Moral & Social order, Inherent Characteristic or
Property of an Entity. Artha depicts all the Materialistic Needs, Resources and their Management
whereas Kaam signifies Desire in its widest term and Will. These three terms embrace the whole life of
an individual. The efforts towards the three purushaarths must be according to Neeti-shaastra in order
to succeed in achieving them. The fourth aim or purushaarth is Moksha. It is rather the result after the
life is spent in achieving the first three successfully. Moksha is supposed to be the aim of every human
being born in this world.
The most important terms in the above definition are Society and Entity. Society does not limit
to human community only. It engulfs all the living or non-living things in the universe including Nature
& Environment. All of them together is known as the Society in Bhaarateey philosophy. Since all these things have minds and soul they are all equal in the eyes of Philosophy. Concept of Entity will be clear
from above. It refers to every individual, animate or in-animate.
Bhaarateey philosophy does not differentiate between animate and inanimate objects as far as
man is concerned. He is entrusted by the Superpower (if not God if you will) to nurture and protect the
complete society as Cosmic Creation or Brahman. The protection and nurture of the society is achieved
when everyone in the society is happy and contented. To enable him to carry out his responsibilities
well, the Man has been provided with the capabilities of 'thinking', and 'speaking' to get co-operation
from other persons. The thoughts will be giving rise to actions as actions are 'gross' while thoughts are
'subtle' and as per philosophy, gross is born out of subtle only. So the actions of a person are likely to
follow his thoughts. The thoughts of any person can be 'Right' or 'Wrong'. The right thoughts are those
which consider no harm to anyone in the society including the nature. Harm is damage to the welfare of
the entity (as well as Nature) and there is no degree in the harm. Either there is harm or no harm to the
welfare. To prevent even consideration of harm to anybody, the thoughts must follow Neeti-shaastra.
Neetishaastra enjoins a person to follow it always even when occasionally some thought may consider
harm to his own person while everyone else is unharmed. Since actions come out of thoughts,
sometimes only the individual himself may be harmed (and none else) by his 'right' action. By carrying out right actions always, the individual is certain to achieve his 'after-life' aim of Moksha.
As the aim of every person born in this world is Moksha at the end of his life (here) it is
imperative that he lives his life as per Neetishaastra. Since he is expected to follow his Dharma in this
life, it will be clear that individuals will not be behaving same way under different circumstances. Their
behaviour or actions are likely to be different as per their Dharma at that instance or occasion. Dharma
depends on various roles that he carries out under different circumstances. A person may be a King's
officer sometime, whereas at other times he may be a customer at a shop or a father to his children in
their schools. He must behave and act as will be suitable to his role at that time. The circumstances of
his Artha or materialistic needs are also likely to decide his actions since they may be under differing
urgencies, priorities, and quanta at various instances. While behaving and acting, he has to pay
attention to them. He must have his Kaam under control, i.e. his desires and wills will have to be (never
extreme but) always at the minimum essential level. If a person tries to fulfill everyone of his desires
and wills, it will be seen that they will never be fully satiated. He will therefore perforce remain
unhappy. Unless everyone behaves and acts as per Neetishaastra, it will be difficult for the society as a
whole, to feel happy and contented.
Bhaarateey philosophy states that this condition (of happy and contented life) is very natural
and basic for every person. Everyone is born with the characteristic of altruism. The people (at that age,
till up to 10 years) do help others without any (expectation of) returns. This being man's inherent
characteristic it would not have been difficult for him to follow Neetishaastra throughout. But as he
grows up, selfishness, love towards some person/s, dislike/hate about some, development of
likings/disliking etc goes on attaching to him due to his interactions with peers, near and dear ones as
well as environment. His ego starts ruling over him. His thoughts as well as activities concerning
consideration for others get contaminated with these (bad?) characteristics. This situation affects his
behaviour and actions adversely in the society. This is the main obstacle for him to follow the
Neetishaastra. He even may feel that in this world, Neetishaastra is not the right way to behave. shaastra. He even may feel that in this world, Neetishaastra is not the right way to behave.
In earlier Yugas Bhaarat did have quite a few people behaving always ethically. This character is
known as Sattwa in Bhaarateey culture. Whenever such great people existed, the minor Gods like Indra
felt that their positions in the Heaven (Indra as king of Gods) were in jeopardy as the ethical person
might replace him. Indra used to try his tricks to make the person behave unethically under some
circumstances so that Indra was safe. God also occasionally used to test such person to ensure that he is
really and fully ethical one. The testing was known as sattwapareekshaa . In Bhaarateey mythology
quite a number of stories are reflected about such testing. Since the persons were really ethical, they
used to pass the tests and at the end of their lives, they used to merge with God (as a samadhee status).
The person behaving always in an ethical manner was said to be sattwasheel.
According to Bhaarateey philosophy, there are three gunas or principal characteristics of people.
Sattwa, Rajas and Tamas. Rajasic (with predominant Rajas Guna) people like to enjoy tasty food and
need their senses to be indulged in. They like the company of people of their own disposition and care
less about others. They have got ego to large extent and therefore regard themselves better than others.
They believe in 'tit for tat'. These people behave ethically some time and somewhere only. Tamasic
people are eaters of food which is very spicy and hot. They enjoy meat also. They are highly egoists
and regard every other fellow inferior to them. They are very boastful and boisterous in their
transactions. Very rarely they are ethical. Sattwic people are likely to be always ethical. As a norm they
will be having a rigid schedule for their routine activities and will avoid extremism in all of their
thoughts and actions. They normally and preferably eat least spicy and sweet food. They are sober and
respectful to others. They may behave well to people who insult them as well. They have hardly any
ego but have adequate self-confidence and regard all people and life equal. All gunas exist in every
person in various proportions. That is why every one has to make efforts to become ethical and remain
so.
As a guide to people for thinking and behaving as per Neetishaastra or ethics Pandit Vishnu Sharma wrote Panchatantra, a book containing moral stories regarding actions & behaviour of various
people under different circumstances. Similar is the case with Hitopadesh, written by Narayan in tenth
century A.D. These sets of moral stories are supposed to have told by Pt Vishnu Sharma to educate
some princes of a kingdom in statecraft and general behaviour; to make the princes well-versed in
Neetishaastra. In the stories animals and birds have been representing people so that the listener/reader
can take his lessons on his own. They are supposed to have become well versed at the end in
Neetishaastra. We shall find in most of the stories that the person behaving properly may at times
willingly suffer damage to own welfare while improving that of others. This is the crux of ethical
values in Bhaarateey ethics or Neetishaastra. Panchtantra can be considered to be the text book of
Neetishaastra, and it is not restricted only to princes but to people in all walks of life. The stories do
reflect circumstances being faced by ordinary people as well. In short everyone can get lessons from
this text book of Neetishaastra.
Basic rule in Bhaarateey ethics is that the thought or action must not affect adversely the
happiness and/or welfare of any one else including non-humans as well as nature. In case of any
emergency like death crops up as the consequence of the thought or action, then only the individual
may suitably change the ethical behaviour to save oneself from that danger. Please note the word 'may'
used in the alternative scenario. There are instances in Puraanas wherein the individuals did not worry
about this consequence also to modify their ethical behaviour. Altruism is considered to be a part and
parcel of ethical behaviour in Bhaarateey philosophy. There is no modification to the concept of ethics
in philosophy till now. Quite probably everyone may not be in a position to behave ethically at all
times, but philosophy did not dilute the ethics aspect. This was mainly to see that (apparently with the
hope) if individuals who could not maintain ethical behaviour as needed now, they may improve in
next birth so that their aim (or reaching KAIVALYA after death) can be achieved in subsequent life.
Individuals also can progress on this hope.

Businesses are established to earn money in return for fulfilling (material or service) needs of
others. The individual will not be able to sustain his business if he does not earn profit out of his
business transactions. For this, the Bhaarateey culture advises the businessman to earn adequate profit
to fulfill his own family needs (to the similar level or manner in which others' (in the society) are
getting fulfilled as well as those of his business and nothing more. His living style cannot be very
superior to that of his customers. In case he was catering to the needs of (local) villagers, he was one of
the Balutedaars and he (in turn) could get his needs fulfilled by others who have the capacity by 'barter'
way. He being a (businessman but still a) cog in the 'society' machinery, his sustainability cannot be
superior to that of the others. He must take certain measures of self-control. Even if he is rich, he must
not do the conspicuous exhibition of his wealth. As he belongs to the society, he can't have special or
superior status on his own. He can have that status only if and when the society approves it. For
example, a local businessman must not have any unessential goods or any eatables of non-nourishing
nature or state for sale; he must always keep the long-time interest of his customers in mind. This will
clearly bring out as to why since ancient times only cooperative business activities like black-smithy,
carpentry, etc. were developed in Bhaarat. In indigenous parlor it is said that he is doing his business as
a 'Trust' of the society regarding the assets that he is holding and offering for sell. And he is merely a
trusty on behalf of the society to look after the business. In modern times Mahatma Gandhi was
vehemently proposing this type of behaviour for the Bhaarateey businessmen throughout his life.
Since last few years Bhaarat is under influence of Western philosophy and hence its 'developed'
people have started (forgetting Bhaarateey ethics) undertaking Western thoughts of philosophy in
practice. Let us see the flow of Western thoughts about ethics since ancient times. Their basis of ethics
is getting continuously modified. The progressive development of the same as follows has been taken
from "The Elements of Moral Philosophy" (second Edition) by James Rachels published by McGrawHill, Inc.
Western philosophers however are still in the mode of developing ethics. Their basis of ethics is changing. Earliest available ethics is defined by Greek philosopher Aristotle (325 BC). In his
Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle begins by asking about character (which was the central meaning of
ethics for him), "What is the good of man?" and he answers "the good of man is an activity of the soul
in conformity with virtue." To know ethics, therefore, one has to understand what makes someone a
virtuous person and as a philosopher with keen eye, Aristotle devotes much space in discussing such
virtues as courage, self-control, generosity and truthfulness. The good man is of virtuous character and
therefore virtues are taken to be the subject-matter of ethics. Of course this thinking, though is
identified with Aristotle, was also the approach taken by a host of other thinkers like Socrates, Plato
etc. They all approached the topic by asking: what traits of character make one a good person? And as
a result "the virtues" occupied the main place in all their discussions. This concept of ethics continued
to rule since then.
However, as time passed this way of thinking came to be neglected. As Christianity came, new
set of ideas about ethics were introduced. Like Jews, Christians were monotheists and considered their
God as law giver. For them the righteous living meant strict obedience to the divine commandments.
The Greek view of reason to be the basic source of practical wisdom-virtuous life was an anathema for
the Christians now. St Augustine the fourth century Christian thinker distrusted reason and taught that
moral goodness depends on subordinating oneself to the will of God. Therefore when the medieval
philosophers discussed the virtues, it was in the context of Divine Law. The rational virtues (as
suggested by Aristotle) were now replaced by the "Theological Virtues"-faith, hope, charity and of
course, obedience in the context of ethics. Rather the moral philosophy has taken the religious garb
since then.
After the Renaissance, moral philosophy began to be secularized once again, but philosophers
did not return to the Greek way of thinking fully. The Divine Law instead was replaced by a secular
equivalent-Moral Law. This law was said to have sprung from human reasoning rather than divine
declarations and is conceived to be a system of rules specifying which actions are right. Our duties as
moral agents, it was said, are to follow its directives. The modern moral philosophers approached their
subject by asking a fundamentally different question than the one that had been asked by the ancients.
Instead of asking: What traits of character make one a good person? They began by asking: What is
the right thing to do? This led them in a different direction. They went on developing theories, not of
virtue, but of rightness and obligations:
1. Each person ought to do whatever will best promote his or her own interests.(Ethical Egoism)
2. We ought to do whatever will promote the greatest happiness for the greatest
numbers.(Utilitarianism). Our duty is to follow rules that we could consistently will to be universal laws-that is, rules that
we would be willing to have followed by all people in all, circumstances.(Kant's theory)
4. The right thing to do is to follow the rules that rational, self-interested people can agree to
establish for their mutual benefit. (the Social Contract theory)
These are the theories that have been dominating the modern (western) philosophy from seventeenth
century on.
Presently the Western philosophers have accepted the moral law. The law assumes that all are
rational human beings and are interested in promoting individual's self-interests as much as possible.
Rationality is considered to be the quality by which an individual considers his benefit or self-interest
to be supreme and not inferior to that of anyone else. This being the case, everybody will be guarding
to ensure that no other individual is affecting his self-interest while promoting other's interest. Ethics
under this consideration depends entirely on successful deception to others regarding promotion of
individual's self-interest in open manner. Individual's (good?) character is not required for ethical
behaviour. Really in this sort of philosophy neither moral obligations are involved nor good
characteristics in the individuals are encouraged.

Recently a number of philosophers have advanced a radical idea: they have suggested that modern moral philosophy is bankrupt and that, in order to salvage the subject, we should return to
Aristotle's way of thinking. The idea was first put forward in 1958 when the British philosopher G. E.
M. Anscombe published an article called "Modern Moral Philosophy" in the academic journal
Philosophy. In the article she suggested that modern philosophy is misguided because it rests on the
incoherent notion of "law" without a lawgiver. The very concepts of obligation, duty and rightness, on
which the modern moral philosophers have concentrated their attention, are inextricably linked to this
nonsensical idea. We should therefore abandon the whole project that the modern philosophers have
pursued and return instead to Aristotle's approach. This means once again the concept of virtue must
take center stage.
Traditionally Christians say that man alone is made in God's image and that mere
animals do not even have souls. Thus the natural order of things permits humans to use animals for any
purpose they see fit. St Thomas Aquinas summed up the traditional view when he wrote: 'Hereby is
refuted the error of those who said it is sinful for a man to kill dumb animals: for by divine providence
they are intended for man's use in the natural order. Hence it is no wrong for man to make use of them,
either by killing them or in any other way whatever.' On questioning 'Isn't it wrong to be cruel to
animals/' Aquinas concedes that it is, but he says the reason has to do with human welfare, not the
welfare of the animals themselves (while referring to ethics): If the passages of Holy Writ seem to
forbid us to be cruel to dumb animals, for instance to kill a bird with its young: this is either to remove
man's thoughts from being cruel to other men, and lest through being cruel to animals one becomes
cruel to human beings: or because injury to an animal leads to the temporal hurt of man, either the
doer of the deed, or of another. Thus people and animals are in entirely separate moral categories.
Strictly speaking, animals have no moral standing of their own. We are free to treat them in any way
that might seem to our advantage.
And when living and mobile animals are being treated like this, the question of trees,
environment or nature cannot be arising in the realm of ethics as far as Western thinkers are concerned.
In short, whatever period one considers of the Western concept of ethics, it is restricted to humans; it
concerns benefits and/or happiness to more people; their benefits/happiness can be in various degrees
and individual's self-interest will always have priority.
The Western philosophers however have determined that Aristottle's approach or the Bhaarateey
ethical thought is not practicable and named it Metaethics. Discussions are held on this topic without
any conclusions. The practicable approach is called Normative ethics which the western philosophers
advise for people to practice. This involves articulating good habits that one should acquire, the duties
that we should follow and the consequences of our behaviour on other persons. Finally, applied ethics
involves examining specific controversial issues like abortion, infanticide, animal rights, environmental
concern etc. Applied ethical questions are discussed for solution by using metaethical and normative
ethical concepts only and hence the separating lines between these three varieties are often blurry.

Morality and psychology go together. Morality tells us what we ought to do; but there is little
point to it if we are not able to do as we ought. It may be said that we should love our enemies; but that
is the empty talk unless we are capable of loving them. A sound morality must be based on a realistic
conception of what is possible for human beings. Almost every system of morality recommends that we
behave unselfishly. It is said that we should take the interest of other people into account when we are
deciding what to do: we should not harm other people; in fact we should try to be helpful to them
wherever possible--even if it means forgoing some advantage to ourselves.
But are we capable of being unselfish? There is a theory of human nature, once very widely
held among philosophers, psychologists and economists, and still held by many ordinary people, that
says we are not capable of unselfishness. According to this theory, known as Psychological Egoism,
each person is so constituted that he will look out only for his own interests. Therefore, it is
unreasonable to expect people to behave "altruistically". Human nature being what it is, people will
respond to the needs of others only when there is some gain in it for them. Pure altruism is a myth—it simply does not exist.
Western tradition accepted that basically man is selfish and anything he does is with (only)
selfish motive. In early nineties Dr Amos Tversky and Dr Daniel Kahneman by mixing psychology
with economy proved that from time to time man does use altruism while giving judgments and
decision making in uncertainties against the tradition. For this, Dr Kahneman was given Nobel Prize in
Economics in 2002. (Dr Tversky died in 1996 and hence could not be considered for the prize). Man's
inherent character of altruism thus has been reestablished.
When the man came on the Stage of the Universe, he had capacity to think and act as he wanted
unlike other species. Due to this fact, he felt himself to be the specie superior to all others. All the
thoughts and discussion about development of morality accordingly has progressed with this as basic
fact. Only around nineteen eighties David Hume pointed out that man is in no way superior to others
and he happens to be one of the cogs in the ecological cycle of the Nature. Therefore it is not proper for
him to feel hubris i.e. pride about his specie over others. Now thoughts about morality are taking on
this track which can be called Morality without Hubris or MWH for short. Probably Western
philosophers may now consider animals and other species in their aspect of ethical consideration.
When industry or business is established, as per Western concept, it is purely for profit to the
entrepreneur and/or investor/s. The enterprise is only a virtual or legal (not living) person and hence
cannot be really considered to follow ethics. The concept of business ethics has been developed to see
that the business and enterprises treat (their) customers (who are living persons) with less cheating. The
business is advised to follow such procedures and activities due to which, in addition to their
employees and stakeholders, the customers as well as the community around them get some more
comfort and happiness. These procedures and activities are considered as ethical as far as the business
in concerned. In current situation of global warming (due to business and human actions), activities of
business resulting in decrease in emission of Carbon Dioxide gas to the environment is also considered
ethical activity. The businesses are advised to have better business ethics in their functioning.
The professions like Physicians, Lawyers, Technical Consultants etc are working for earning
money from their clients. For them also a variety `Professional Ethics' has been suggested. They give
service to clients by charging money. They, being persons, are advised to behave (more) ethically; no
question of charging less, but giving them some better service. Thus ethics has been reduced to give
little better treatment to clients and others.
All the business and professions are materialistic and the persons chase material happiness.
`People becoming materialistic go on losing their morality' is a principle. Mahatma Gandhi has brought
out long back. And we are seeing also that in West the people are appearing to be less moral as
compared to Bhaarat (in view of their materialistic attitude). Of course now Bhaarat is also following
that way and Bhaarateey people appear also to be losing their morality. Surely therefore ethics of them
does not remain moral as intended since ages. Morality is therefore not possible in current thinking of
ethics.
As is clear from above the Western thinkers have started rethinking the principle of
preeminence of human species and are considering including other species in their moral consideration.
Once they also consider including whole Nature in the concept of ethics like Bhaarateey philosophy,
they will really reach the pinnacle of this concept and everyone will get benefit of the ethical behaviour
as offered in Bhaarateey philosophy. Everyone will be able to achieve the aim of their human birth.

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Corruption is a Culture in India. Posted by: "G. C. Mathur"

MY THOUGHTS ----

"I received the following message which I would like to share with you
all to know your responses in relation to the Anna Hazare's Movement
against corruption - Vote for Congress or RSS Family (BJP), one is
graduate and the other a Post Graduate according to Annaji:

Indians are Hobbesian.(culture of self interest)

Corruption in India is a cultural aspect.
Indians seem to think nothing peculiar about corruption .
It is everywhere.

Indians tolerate corrupt individuals rather than correct them.

No race can be congenitally corrupt.
But can a race be corrupted by its culture?

To know why Indians are corrupt ,
look at their patterns and practices .

First:

Religion is transactional in India.
Indians give God cash and anticipate an out-of-turn reward.
Such a plea acknowledges that favours are needed for the undeserving.

In the world outside the temple walls,
such a transaction is named- "bribe".

A wealthy Indian gives not cash to temples,
but gold crowns and such baubles.

His gifts can not feed the poor. His pay-off is for God.
He thinks it will be wasted if it goes to a needy man.

In June 2009, The Hindu published a report of Karnataka minister
G. Janardhan Reddy gifting a crown of gold and diamonds worth
Rs 45 crore to Tirupati.

India's temples collect so much that
they don't know what to do with it.
Billions are gathering dust in temple vaults.

When Europeans came to India they built schools.
When Indians go to Europe & USA, they build temples.

Indians believe that if God accepts money for his favours,
then nothing is wrong in doing the same thing.
This is why Indians are so easily corruptible.

Indian culture accommodates such transactions morally.
There is no real stigma. An utterly corrupt politician can
make a comeback, just unthinkable in the West.

Second -

Indian moral ambiguity towards corruption is visible in its history.
Indian history tells of the capture of cities and kingdoms after guards
were paid off to open the gates, and commanders paid off to surrender.

This is unique to India.

Indians' corrupt nature has meant limited warfare on the subcontinent.
It is striking how little Indians have actually fought compared to
ancient Greece and modern Europe.

The Turks' battles with Nadir Shah were vicious and fought to the finish.

In India fighting wasn't needed, bribing was enough to see off armies.

Any invader willing to spend cash could brush aside India's kings,
no matter how many tens of thousands soldiers were in their infantry.

Little resistance was given by the Indians at the "Battle" of Plassey.
Clive paid off Mir Jaffar and all of Bengal folded to an army of 3,000.

There was always a financial exchange to taking Indian forts.
Golconda was captured in 1687 after the secret back door was left open.

Mughals vanquished Marathas and Rajputs with nothing but bribes.

The Raja of Srinagar gave up Dara Shikoh's son Sulaiman to
Aurangzeb after receiving a bribe.

There are many cases where Indians participated
on a large scale in treason due to bribery.

Question is: Why Indians have a transactional culture while
other 'civilized' nations don't?

Third -

Indians do not believe in the theory that they all can rise
if each of them behaves morally, because that is not
the message of their faith.

Their caste system separates them.
They don't believe that all men are equal.
This resulted in their division and migration to other religions .

Many Hindus started their own faith like Sikh, Jain, Buddha
and many converted to Christianity and Islam.

The result is that Indians don't trust one another .

There are no Indians in India ,there are
Hindus ,Christians, Muslims and what not.

Indians forget that 400 years ago they all belonged to one faith.

This division evolved an unhealthy culture.
The inequality has resulted in a corrupt society,

In India every one is thus against everyone else,
except God ­ and even he must be bribed."
"G. C. Mathur"

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Clive did not have to pay any bribe to anyone after Badshah
Sirajudolla's murder. The treasury of Murshidabad, the capital of
Bengal, Bihar and Orissa was completely emptied by Clive; truck loads
of diamonds, pearls, gold, silver, money any thing and everything
Clive looted and sent to England.The trick of exploiting insatiable
greed of Indians was used by Clive by making simple promise of paying
hefty bribes , never to keep it.The same thing is happening to-day
also..

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I get up at 4.00 in the morning. I do meditation in the way I know. Two years
have passed. I do not get the satisfaction/pleasure as expected.My mind always
run towards unwanted things which I do not wish to refer.Pls help me. I am now
62 yrs of age, I feel at least now I must change.Pls help.

PV

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Follow-up Question

Can you clarify closing of the left nostril during praana, should it be right instead of the left, highlighted in red.?
Lord says " Praanaapaanau samau krtvaa naasaabhyantaracaarinau," Here the emphasis is prana "life-force breath" The life breath exhaled is "praana", while the breath inhaled is "apaana". The speed of the exhaled breath is fast, while the speed of inhaled breath is slow. In order to regulate the process of exhalation and inhalation so that both of these may take equal time, first the "apaana" breath is inhaled with the left nostril (shutting the right nostril
with the thumb), then the praana breath is exhaled, through the left nostril.

Thanks, Dhaniram.
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Shree Hari

Spiritual practice happens by the Self, not by the mind and intellect.

- By Swami Ramsukhdasji

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FROM GITA MADHURYA

Question : Earlier you had spoken about the qualities of a man who has
attained Yog, is there any other means besides Karma Yog to attain that state of
equanimity ?

Yes, that same equanimity can be attained also through Meditation (Dhyana Yog).
It is another method. Therefore I now I tell you the process one ought to undergo. On becoming free of desire for pleasure and enjoyment and accumulation of possession; on having gained control of one's mind and body; on living in seclusion one should at all times fix his mind on God (Gita 6:10)

Question: For fixing the mind on God, rather for meditation what useful points
are there ?

One should firmly fix his seat, neither too high, nor too low, such that it is not likely to cause any movements or instability. The seating should be in a pure and clean place with Kusa grass, a deerskin and a cloth, one over the other (Gita 6:10)

Question: What should one do after having fixed the seating area ?

Sitting on that seat, keeping the functions of the mind and the senses under control, and making the mind one-pointed, one should practice meditation (dhyana yog) for self purification (Gita 6:12)

Question: How should he sit on the seat ?

He should keep the trunk (body), head and neck straight and steady, remain firm and gaze at the tip of his nose without looking in other directions.
(Gita 6:13)

Question: While meditating, what should be the state of his mind, the inner expression within ?

Pledging the vow of celibacy and fearlessness keeping himself perfectly calm, subdued in mind, free from the pairs of opposites such as attachment and aversion etc., the vigilant Yogi takes his mind off of worldly things, and fixes it on Me, having Me as the supreme Goal (Gita 6:14)

From "Gita Madhurya" book in English pg 68 by Swami Ramsukhdasji

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:Shree Hari:

In Gita 5:27, 28 Lord reveals a Meditation technique.

Shutting our all external objects, fixing the vision between the eyebrows, making the inward and the outward breaths move within the nostrils evenly, the sage, who has controlled the senses, mind and intellect, who is bent on liberation, who has cast away desire, fear and anger, ie ever liberated. (Gita 5:27-28)

Lord says " Praanaapaanau samau krtvaa naasaabhyantaracaarinau," Here the emphasis is prana "life-force breath" The life breath exhaled is "praana", while the breath inhaled is "apaana". The speed of the exhaled breath is fast, while the speed of inhaled breath is slow. In order to regulate the process of exhalation and inhalation so that both of these may take equal time, first the"apaana" breath is inhaled with the left nostril (shutting the right nostril with the thumb), then the praana breath is exhaled, through the left nostril.

This process of exhalation and inhalation, should take equal time. Through constant practice the flow of the praana and the apaana breath becomes regulated and even, gentle and subtle. When there is no sensation of air inside or outside the nostril and in the throat, it should be understood that the flow of the praana breath and the apaana breath has become regulated and even. When this flow becomes even (because of the aim of God Realization), the mind starts meditating on God. This control of the breathing process, has been described
here, because it plays and important role in the path of meditation.

From "The Bhagavad Gita - Sadhak Sanjivani" in English pg 676, and in Hindi pg 381 by Swami Ramsukhdasji

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Please also read the following links -

An Exceptional Fact in Connection with Meditation
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sadhaka/message/1620

Discipline of Meditation - 1 in Gita 6:10
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sadhaka/message/1572

Discipline of Meditation - 2 in Gita 6:10
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sadhaka/message/1573

Silent Discipline - A Meditation
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sadhaka/message/1366

Do Not Give Importance to the Impressions on the Mind
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sadhaka/message/2507
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sadhaka/message/2508

Please ask any follow-up questions after reading these.

Ram Ram

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Dear sadaks,
I see a beautiful woman dresses attractively. Next minute I tell my Buddhi, see how bones, nerves, blood, etc are covered very neatly. Oh mind this is going on for few births and why desire to it. It may look vulgar- but then I also tell my mind that through the path I came out womb, the same path my love for pleasure. Parents also marry their children thinking it is their duty. But Sanathan Dharm and smuthiis say, marring is for joint service to God like Jayadevar & Padmavathi, Tukaram & his wife, Purander Doss, Thygaraja, sri Ragavendra etc lived with family, but the bodily pleasures were not noticeable. Ramanuja disciple was Thirumala Nabi, who lived on Thirumala with his and she was pregnant while servicing Sri Venkatesawara. But God chose him as best Baktha and made a situation where this Baktha hit God on HIS chin. The crow bar still hangs right side of main entrance of temple thirumala. Loving wife is love, loving another woman is lust. Tell the mind certain sastras and put the mind under control.
B.S

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Mind always wavers.If we give a task to the mind itworks on that and you get dhyana stithi.One of the methods is ask the mind to observe breathing

Badri Narayana Miriyala

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Hari Om

Your problem is not seeking perfection of meditation; your problem is 'loitering mind' !! Now this loitering of mind is a natural phenomena which you can't control the way you are attempting. Mind is a machine. Trying to control mind is like expecting a motor car not to run. Know also that this machine mind can either travel in the past or in future...both DO NOT EXIST.

Since your basic problem is 'loitering mind' - the advice to you will be simple: IGNORE !! Just do not give any importance to whatever comes to your mind. Get UPRAAM. Neither get happy nor disappointed. Thoughts will go away. But then some other thoughts will come, because that is very NATURE of mind. Note further: Mind gets governed by Ego ! If your ego is ' I am of world, world is mine' ..worldly thoughts will naturally come in your mind. If your ego is 'I am God's, Only God is mine' then Divine thoughts will come in your mind...so simple !

Why do you take a stick and run after mind? It is not you and it is not yours. What difference does it make to you whether it loiters or remains stable?

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Dear Divine, pranams.
Few misconceptions need clarification...
First of all congratulations that you have started meditation and strongly think you must change; therefore it will happen if you stay determined and believe in yourself to bring about the change you want. Do your practices with dedication and devotion.
If you walk away 62 miles from your home, you will end up walking 62 miles back to reach home. It would be little faster if you use bike, little faster w/car, little faster w/ plane. So prayam techniques described by Lord in BG-Chapter 6 (and previous chapters) are faster means for those whose natural tendencies are for meditation - dhyan yoga. Do it with samarpan bhav rather to attain something - God will facilitate all the changes needed in your life to reach Him. Patience is a must to reach back home - THE TRUE HOME/SOURCE.
When Samudra Manthan (churning of ocean) happened, first thing came out was poison. Spine is the churner and breath is the rope and pranayam is the churning process - all the dust sitting in the subconscious mind will start coming out - negativity (kaam-worldly desires, krodh-anger, lobh-greed, moha-attachments/illusion/delusion, mada-ego, & irshaa-jealousy) comes out first unfortunately. Like Lord Shiva, don't keep it inside and don't spit it outside - just remain unaffected by these thoughts. Don't entertain them rather be a witness instead of worrying or acting on any of them. This is a natural way of cleansing when one starts dhyan yoga.
You can view videos by Ramdev recommended pranayams at http://www.divyayoga.com/yoga-a-pranayam-videos.html
Read Bhagvad Gita chapter 6
Hope this helps. Good luck.
Humble regards,
always at Thy Holy Feet

Manjula Patel

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My Pranaams.

In Pranyama, one must start by inhaling through the left nostril in order to have calming/cooling effect. The entire process should be slow in order to have more calmness. The best way to get "satisfaction/pleasure" from meditation is to start with Yoga asanas and end with pranayama. The asanas will help you to calm your body and throughout the asanas, you also breathe deeply--it comes automatically after constant practise.

Have been doing Yoga for more than 30 years and it has helped in some very difficult times,mentally, emotionally and of course physically. There is nothing that calms the mind more than an hour of asanas. At the age of 62, you must start with some simple asanas and surely you will see results.

Wishing you the best,
Nanda

TAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM (Rg Veda 1.22.20)

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Sir,
please fill your mind with only positive words. Read good books. Stop watching TV and stop reading news papers that are full of negative news.
Read and Listen only to good soothing words all day. Change your thoughts change your life.
Words make Worlds.
Best Wishes

deepak gupta

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You can join one Vipassana Course. Organisation teaches how to meditate and overcome initial difficulties. My age is 86 aand keep myslf fit with regular meditation. Course schedules can be found on Vipassana Website.
Jayantilal Shah

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Meditation - Please Help!

Disown the mind [man ko apanaa mat maano - swameejee 11.11.2003]. adabhut upalabdhi hotee hai.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

Just see the running of the mind towards unwanted things without any ideation, explanation.
Seeing this is Meditation. Mind seeing its working, its limit is Meditation.
Meditation is not the comfort zone of the mind.
To absorb the friction between 'what is' and 'what you think should be' without any theory, explanation is Meditation.
To control, act upon, mould any agitation of the mind is addition to agitation.
Awareness(supreme relaxation) dawns when you absorb, what you do not like without any explanation.
See this and be free.
Y V Chawla

If the mind is running towards unwanted things, time is not yet ripe for
meditation proper. Jut try to jot down those unwanted things. These will be
those that are something to with your past failures/ successes, your fears
about the future, your unsatisfied desires, your worries about some people
ofr things that you love, your attachment to certain persons or things, etc.
Once you have identified them, just submit these fears, worries,
attachments, failures,successes, desires to the feet of God Almighty and
start thinking that age 62 theseare no longer relevant to you. Just forget
them and start believing that the remaining years of life can be spent
without thinking about them. Remind mind this decision of yours all the
time. Then, you can meditate on God with the only desire to see Him or
Communicate with Him for just feeling His presence and not asking Him
questions or for fulfilling any other material wish. It may take years
before you reach that stage in meditation. Continue trying: you will not
lose anything and wait for God to appear in your heart one day sooner or
later.
Basudeb Sen
I think you are referring to Anulom Vilom Pranayam ...Kishore
See here:

Swami Ramdev’s set of 6 pranayamas: | ipranayam
Here is what you need to know about Swami Ramdev Yoga Miracle Enjoy!
• 1. Bhastrika Pranayam (Swami Ramdev Yoga)
• 2. KapalBhati Pranayam (Swami Ramdev Yoga)
• 3. Baharya Pranayam (Swami Ramdev Yoga)
• 4. Anulom Vilom Pranayam Swami Ramdev
• 5. Bhramri Pranayam (Swami Ramdev Yoga)
• 6. Udgeeth Pranayam (Swami Ramdev Yoga)
• 7. Ujjayi Pranayam (Swami Ramdev Yoga)
1. Bhastrika Pranayam
How to do it: Inhale Deeply slowly and then exhale completely.
Duration: Do it for at least 2 minutes and 5 minutes maximum.
Benefits : heart, lungs, neural system, aabha, depression, migraine, paralysis, asthma, respiratory diseases of all kinds, Diseases like cold, cough, allergy,brain, are cured. Lungs become strong and due to the heart and head getting adequate quantity of pure and fresh air, health is improved. Diseases of the throat like thyroid, tonsils and other ailments of throat.
Other Tips: Doing this for 20 times(breathe deeply when you have headache), will relieve the pain up to 80%.)
2. KapalBhati Pranayam
How to do it: Pushing air out forcefully and your stomach will squeezes inside.
Duration: You should startn it with 30 times or 1 minute and increase upto 5 mins minutes upto 15 minutes maximum.
Benefits: aabha, tej, cholesterol, allergic problems, asthma, snoring, concentration, uterus, diabetes, stomach problems, obesity, constipation, gastric, acidity, Croesus(liver), hepatitis B and even cancer and AIDS.
Other Tips: Each stroke you breathe out from your nose just like blowing your nose, makes you loose a small amount of body weight. If you keep doing it for upto 2 or 3 hours you can loose like 2 pounds of weight in 2 or 3 hours, it is very effective! And thousands of people have effectively reduced their weight and are enjoying healthy and fulfilling lifestyles today.
3. Baharya Pranayam (Swami Ramdev Yoga)
How to do it: Exhale completely, touch chin to chest, squeeze stomach completely and hold for a while. then release chin, inhale in slowly.
Duration : 3 times to 5 times normally. max up to 11 times. and extremely max up to 21 times (in winters).
Benefits : stomach(udar), hernia, urinal, uterus, kidney problems, bladder problems, sex related problems
Tips : Not for heart and high BP patients
4. Anulom Vilom Pranayam (Swami Ramdev Yoga)
(Little difficult One â€" Breathe in from one nostril whole and breathe out from other vice-versa for 15 min to 30 min)
Cancer patients have been cured with these 3 exercises and by eating green vegetables and juice of loki (Indian veggie)

How to do it: Hold your right nasal of your nose with your thumb of your right hand, breathe in from left. Now close left nasal with middle and ring finger opening your right nasal and breathe out from the right nasal. Now breathe in from the right nasal. Now close the right nasal and open left and breathe out and in from left nasal. and keep continuing the same procedure again and again.
Duration : You should do it for at least 10 minutes up to 1 hour maximum
Benefits : heart, high Blood Pressure, bent ligaments, sinual fluid reduced, Parkinson, paralysis, neural related, depression, heart blockage, vat-cuf-pit, arthritis, cartilage, migraine pain, asthma, sinus, allergy etc.
5.Bhramri Pranayam
How to do it: Close ears with thumb, index finger on forehead, and rest three on base of nose touching eyes. Inhale & now exhale out through nose while humming oooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Duration : 5 to 10 Times
Benefits : helps in tension, hypertension, high BP, heart, heart blockage, paralysis, migraine pain, confidence & concentration
It is very good for depression if you have depression TRY IT NOW!
6. Udgeeth Pranayam (Swami Ramdev Yoga)
How to do it : Inhale completely and say oooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
When you say oom “0″ should be in 1 part and other 3 parts should be “m”
Duration : 10 times or more
Benefits : meditation
7.Ujjayi Pranayam (Swami Ramdev Yoga)
How to do it: Inhale by making your throat stiff and tight inside. When you will inhale with tight throat it will make loud sound. It will sound little funny. After inhaling completely exhale by closing one nostril with thumb.. But it works for thyroid, Snoring & Throat problems.
Duration: 1 to 5 times
Benefits: Works for thyroid, Snoring & Throat problems.
KHARCHARAN

You can try 1X10 day Vipassana Meditation Course; there is a possibility that you may learn the techique with advantage. Though technique is invented by Bhagwan Gautam Budhha, it is not Budhhism. It is of universal appln. Many christians have become better christians and Hindus have become better Hindus by learning this technique.It is based on awareness of breathing and detached observation of sensations. It is worth trying with open mind.
Jayantilal Shah

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Experience says : Meditation (association of Self with IS) happens by God's Grace only.
All other activities are limited to mind and body only. Nobody can tell the moment when meditation begins (as all senses and mind can't witness the happening beyond their scope). If meditation is termed as an activity like thinking, imagining etc. nothing is here to say.
Humbly,
Saadhaka.

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Meditation is an advanced step in path of spirituality and success on this
depends on progressing step-by-step with god's blessings.

Krishna teaches about different means of yoga(karma, jnana, dhyan) as arjuna
himself is an advanced student on the path of spirituality. He has already spent
many years/births on the path of devotion.
No technique of yoga is meaningful without the underlying practice of devotion
or bhakti.

So I believe our 1st question should be to ourselves on how are we developing
the devotion. People get drawn to god for various reasons as described in Gita:
Suffering, Ambition, curiosity or knowledge.
I believe 80% people remember god in suffering, hence suffering is also a way
god/self employs to draw the jeevatma to parmatama.
So one easy way of progressing on path of meditation is developing devotion (to
remember god in all our successes, failures, daily chores).

Developing this practice at 1st feels like hypocrisy as heart is not feeling the
vibes. But with help of will power and mind, we can continue thinking god as
reason of all our acts, god as the one who is the real "I". Slowly the heart
starts feeling good everytime we remember God for all our pleasures, sufferings
etc. in mid of our daily chores.
IMHO, even if a sinner honestly remembers god in this way as a reason behind
each of his acts and the consequences, he can develop devotion and can achieve
liberation. Still taking 1st step is important and honesty and other virtues
would be automatedly seeded by god in either this birth or in future births.
Speed in proportion to our speed of practice.
Once we become established in devotion and heart feels the joy of remembering
god, progressing on path of meditation would be cakewalk.

regds,
rakesh

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Respiratory Meditation - PraaNaayaama

Dhaniramji, thank you for the practical question.

This is not to de-emphasize the need of some fundamental discipline required for any practice. Discipline and commitment are two essential elements to realize any practice into its target. That goes without saying with spirituality as well. Here we call it Shraddhaa. As explained with reference to ethics earlier, it is essential but not sufficient. Gnyaana (perpetual awareness of the true meanings and purposes of the practice) and Yoga (steadfast implementation of the understanding into one's very existence) remain essential as well.

In this case, respiratory meditation, the suggestion is to be at the balance of inhale and exhale in the whole system. Balance at the nose-tip is most perceivable. So that is prescribed as the starting point. Appreciation of the same balance should percolate into the depths of the system - to the cellular exchange of matter energy in the lungs as well as all around in the body as well as the universal continuum of the vitality that takes a passage through the body. Then only one could possibly start experiencing the universal vitality that remains the basis for every living being. Do not fool yourselves that one lives because of inhaling and exhaling. The basis for life is THE LIFE itself, THE VITALITY that pervades the whole universe as IS and as EVER. An individual is just a point in its universal grid as it passes through every point perpetually. THAT verily is THE BALANCE that remains at the tip of the nose as well.

Na praaNena naapanena martyo jeevati kashchana |
ItareNa tu jeevanti yasmin yetau upaashritau ||

Therefore, Shankaraachaarya advises us to practice the VIVEKA, conscious, truthful and awareful discrimination while practicing meditation upon the internal organs and their activities in order to appreciate THE LIFE in its totality. Just Viveka is not enough. Two more elements are suggested by the seer to enable the meditation further - Japa (consistent and perpetual practice) and Samaadhi (becoming one with the very experience attained at the subtlest state and being one with THAT all the time). Do the Avadhaana, the Yagnya, the sacrifice ... do the Mahadavadhaanam, the sacrifice of the ego, the identities, the individual ...

PraaNaayaamam pratyaahaaram nityaanitya vivekavichaaram |
Jaapyasameta samaadhi vidhaanam kurvavadhaanam mahadavadhaanam ||

… in order to savor the universal CONTINUUM in which both the vitality as well as the existence are eternally vested … The Continuum IS … all through the universe as well as at every microscopic point as well. Nothing is inseparable from THAT ever as everything is vested in each other as THAT alone...

PraaNe shareeram pratishThitam | Shareere praaNah pratishThitah | Tadetadannamanne pratishThitam | Sa ya etadannamanne pratishThitam veda pratitishThati |

Therefore, deep appreciation of the all-pervasive CONTINUUM at every breath, at every pulse, at every blink, at every step, at every sign, at every image, at every sound, at every drop of water and spoonful of food that cycles through the body, at every packet of air that cycles through the system, the very vitality that pervades across the system, in any object, in any idea, in any experience, in any idol, in Om, in a dot, in nothing, in anything ... IN EVERYTHING ... is the intent of any meditation whether it happens to start with a respiratoy or digestive or contemplative or sonic or visual path or just silence within. Mahadavadhaanam ... Aatma Yagnya within ... Aatma Nivedana ... burning all the notions of individual existence in an absolute unison with THE SELF within and embracing the all-pervasive universal awareness around ... is essential to BE THAT EVER IS.

SarvaaNeendriyakarmaaNi praaNakarmaNi chaapare |
Aatmasamyamayogaagnou juhvati gnyaadeepike ||

Respects.

Naga Narayana.

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Dear Sir,
Meditation was done by a Rishi for 400 years and nothing happened. One needs to understand the thoughts and make the mind divert. If you constantly do Namasankeerthan same time going on with life, walk, sleep, see anything, let mind go hay way, but by the side do Namasankreethan- Problem will be solved.
b.s

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Meditation … mode of disassociation … PEACE

Though meditation is often identified as a mind-pacifying technique, it has been the natural process of self-appraisal and appreciation all along. Meditation is a process of shifting oneself to a witness position in order to appreciate one's very presence in relation with the rest of the world. This process is naturally adopted by everyone seeking clarity in life, particularly when in crisis. Every individual is endowed with an instinctive power to unwind oneself from intriguing situations to sustain balance and peace within - it is called ground reality. Depending on one's insistence and adaptability, one would eventually come to terms with the situations no matter how grave it sounds to start with! Such impersonal self appreciation remains key to the very survival. Spirituality always taps the naturally available faculties and accessible processes to enhance the peace experienced.

Meditation is one such process that is developed profoundly as a technique to train the peace seeker to empower one's innate qualities of witnessing to an active pursuance and appliance. Acute observations are made how one's wishful association with one's faculties often corrupt the very information that commutes the cognitive channels - inward flow world's behavior as well as outward flow of one's very disposition to the world. One's wishful association distorts the meaning of the incoming information about the world and misleads one's outgoing behavior into disturbing situations. Therefore, the prescription is to DISASSOCIATE oneself from all the cognitive faculties and let them function naturally in order to attain peace in all respects.

Yadaa panchaavatishThante gnyaanaani manasaa saha |

Buddhishcha na vicheshTate taamaahuh paramaam gatim ||

When the mind along with all its FIVE cognitive partners within stay still as a witness ... when the intellect does not interfere in the cognitive process and lets the witness alone … THE WITNESS alone remains in spite of all the natural electro-chemical transactions within and around ... communication between the innate fellow and its universal reflection around remain transparent ... THE PEACE alone remains as IS and as EVER ...

Therefore, my dear friend, breaking one's wishful association with actions, ideas and experiences remain pivotal for meditation. In order to do that, one ought to empower oneself to drop the desires and fears encore. In order to do that, one has to develop an objective appreciation of the desires and fears vested within. One ought to answer why one projects wishful association on one's activities. One ought to understand how such bondage steals the innate freedom away from the individual it infests with. One ought to appreciate how such dependence is unnecessary. One ought to realize how the very notion of dependence is unreal. As one's understanding, appreciation and realization cleanse one's physical, ideological and experiential domains of existence ... the bondage loosens ... emotional corruption retracts ... letting the fellow savor THE FREEDOM as IS and as EVER.

Therefore, enabling the "technical ambience" prescribed by the meditation gurus is NOT enough. Look into your desires and fears at depth; the non-existent void of ego where they are stationed at; and how they never let that ever filled! The "empty" fellow naturally clings to anything on its way for support. Feel the straws it holds onto in an attempt to float on the otherwise solid ground!! Break the notional knots it safeguards within the void in order to let the desires and fears flee away!!! Then, the nature takes care of the rest. Meditation precipitates in. Silence pours out. Peace fills ... as IS ... as EVER.

Respects.

Naga Narayana.
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as per Gita and Guru
# best time to meditate
just before sunrise
just after sunset
just before sleep
just after one is awake

preferbly take a bath
wear cotton or clean clothes
sit on a bad conductor of electricity
blanket or silk or wooden chair

preberably sit with legs folded or squatting

look into a white light source say
a flourescent white light tube light
for ten seconds

then close eyes
and imagine that a similar
divine white light
in form of a beam or form of your IST
is entering the chest at left side of chest

then
place a finger on wrist joint at thumb side
feel pulse usually 70 to 80 beats in adult

then
with each heart beat visualized that
divine white light is pouring out to
whole body
with a sound of AUM
with each heart beat

Donot imagine sound of Krishna or any other
as advocated by Lord to Arjuna in Gita

practice visualization that white light
is spreading with to all body parts
and not just at site of disease or problem
and not outside body.

practice visualization for
five minutes in each sesson

then do
a-nan-yah bhakti
that is remebrance of GOD
before
during
after
any wordly act.

this is done in three steps.

first eight hours where mind requires almost
no attention like during bathing ,shaving,eating,sleeping.

next eight is most difficult part as
one requires to remember Lord
during works that require professional attention

now after 18 hours of practice
ult dhar starts
means spiritual holy word
take shape of flowing river
and electric current flow in
various body organs leading to

12 yagyas or yogs

Lord warns to Arjuna that
without this ananya bhakti
no one achieves spiritual awareness
not even with gyan or yagya or tap

ones the holy word or Hari naam
or divine Ganga flows

whorl like sensation over forehead
in between eyes and tip of nose
bhrikuti activates or the third eye of Shiva

automatic weeping or shradha ke ansoo

skin goose bumps or
harshit rom wala Arjun

flushing of skin and sweating
like Arjun ko jwar sa ho aya

and then
keelak or
brahamrandhra or Shiva Ganga is
mastered and directed
to heart

finally
activation of top most
part of heart chakra happens

note we started meditation from
base of heart that to left side
which beats the most
where as top most beats almost nil

then
aum like sound is automatically
accompanied with
each heart beat

and finally during last eight hours
no activity is without
holy AUM

and when all 24 hours
are dedicated for
ajapa jaap or
spontaneous AUM
all body is full of white light
and even AUM is gone.

now
during all wordly activities
the budhi,manas,pran and Jad
all are spiritualized
and whole body is sentient
divya sarir
divya swaroopa

O ARJUN,YOU SHALL BE ME
AND I SHALL BE YOU

one then alone do
in own lifetime
nishkaam karma
and

after death
achieves
HIS heavenly abode
AKSHAYA DHAM
THE IMMORTAL ABODE
PARAM DHAM.

SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI

Jai Shree Shree Shree Krishna

Dr. Puneet Gupta"

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Dear Gita-Talk member,

You are right that "meditation" will not help you. I have
found similar sentiments from all types of people across
USA. To get peace-of-mind, you will need to "throw
away your thoughts" and prey to God in your imagination.
The procedure is given in my book which is out in your
book stores: "Throw Away Your Thoughts and Change
Your Life" by Avadhesh Agrawal, published by Author-
House. It may take you six months to do it. Try It.

Good Luck! Bye!

Namaste PV
Avoid Self-gratification, Company, Atmosphere & Conditions that are not Conducive to spiritual progress. Try not to over stimulate your mind with too much earthly things. Read spiritual books study the lives of saints , engage in satsang. Do a few yoga exercise & pranayam before you start meditate.
In Meditation watch your thoughts, Concentrate on you Natural breathing.

Chect out Video:

how to meditate - YouTube

Jak medytowac (Spiritual Reality - How to meditate)

Wish you Success

Om Sri Ganeshaye namah.
God Bless
\
Kishore

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