Shree Hari Ram Ram
This brings a closure to this thread ! thank you all!
Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram
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I have been following this site for a while and I must congratulate all those
concerned in doin a fantastic job
My question is that as per our shastras all endeavours of human pursuit can be
classified as our 4 Purusharthas as Artha Kama Dharma and Moksha
I want some clarity on the exact scope of Dharma Is it religousity spirituality
or righteousness.
Please throw light
Humbly
Vineeta Malpani
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Shree Hari Ram Ram
Please read the Article THE ESSENCE OF DHARMA by Swamiji -
http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.net/eBooks/Essence-of-Dharma.pdf
The Gist of this article is -
"Dharmasarvasva" meaning if the entire "Dharma"
(spiritual and moral laws) can be said in a few words, then
it is - that which is unfavorable to us, do not do that to
others. In this, is the essence of all scriptures.
Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram
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Dear Ones, Sadhakas have spoken their hearts and covered the entire ground relating to Dharma!
VineetaJi's question is: What is the exact scope of Dharma, Is it religousity spirituality
or righteousness.
Now let us ask ourselves: Is religiosity different than Spirituality and righteousness? Can one be spiritual and not righteousness or religious or viceversa? They are not really different, they compliment each other and form the Dharma pursuits!
Dharma requires one to integrate all these aspects in life. Life cannot be fragmented into various segments independent of each other. If we do it, we live in perpetual conflicts inherent in fragments. One cannot be a loving husband at home and aggressive employee or employer in business!
So, Dharma is a way to live Wholly, Fully, in Harmony by integrating all aspects of Living as mentioned.
In the ultimate sense Dharma is Realization of one's essential nature(Swa-bhaava) being SELF AWARENESS, leading to Moksha. This is the most important meaning of Dharma!
Scriptures have given us Four essential Purusharthas with the goal of Moksha, freedom from self-centered individual/individuality.
In a nutshell, One makes an honest living(Artha), performing karmas by engaging in a right profession fulfilling one's natural urges/desires inherent in body-mind(Kama) within the guidelines of one's Dharma, the natural and righteous way of living based on time and place(Desh-Kaal paristhiti) one is born into.
All through these pursuits, one has to keep an eye on the goal of Moksha which becomes an increasingly important pursuit as one reaches to natural fulfillment of three pursuits.
Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt
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Dear Vineeta
Dharma is laws of nature (Prakriti). Natural laws act with material and mind. These laws, like any machine or equipment, have inertia and follow a fixed method. For example, every action causes equal and opposite reaction. This is a natural law or Dharma.
But the Dharma cannot take any decisions. For example, a machine cannot move by itself. The maker of decision is not the Prakriti, but the Aatma (Purush). Prakriti (Nature, Dharma) only implements that decision.
Jiiva (within which Atma and Prakriti stay) has its desire (good or bad) which are then acted by the both. If Jiiva wants fulfillment of material senses then the both (Aatma and Prakriti) fulfil that and mind and body of Jiva accordingly get made or modified. If Jiva wants renunciation, then the both (Aatma and Prakriti) fulfil that and mind and body of Jiva accordingly get made or modified. This act of Atma is called Karm and Aatma is the only Karta Purush.
By learning and understanding, the Jiiva modifies his/her desires and let the aatam and dharma (residing in its heart) make it happen.
Hare Krishna
K G Misra
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Dear Sadhak.Sole purpose of dharma is to swim in tune to divine flow and realize enlightenment.The involved karma are dedication,duty,discipline,honesty,confidence,perseverance,contentment,renunciation in favour of less priviledged.Doctrines are set as dharma in different religions to achieve enlightenment and finally so aspired moksha.
subhashtewari
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Hari Om
A sadhak has asked as to why we 'see' evil doers as prospering/appearing happy and why do we 'see' good people suffering ?
Answer is very simple: The virtuous people are suffering, because they are reaping the fruits of their past evil actions; their present good actions , will bear fruits later. Similarly, sinners are reaping the sweet fruits of their past good actions, not of present sins.
Moreover, there is one more thing to note. In favourable circumstances, a man is proud of himself, he hates those whom he regards as inferior to him, and is envious of other persons' better fortune. Thus externally, he seems happy but ACTUALLY he is not. On the other hand, an ascetic who is dispassionate and a man of renunciation, and who posseses neither wealth nor prosperity , may seem sad, without possessions to worldly people. But, ACTUALLY, his life is very serene and happy. SO POSSESSIONS AND RICHES DO NOT MAKE A PERSON HAPPY and their absence does not make him sad. Real happiness, consists in serenity and happiness of heart, while sadness, consists in burning sensation and sadness of heart.
Jai Shree Krishna
Vyas N B
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also read some scriptures, do satsang, you will get the anwer,
Ashok Gupta
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Dharma is neither any Discipline of Hinduism,Buddhism,Jainism,Christianiy,Judaism,Islam,Sikhism,Zorasterism etc.
nor performance of any outward ritual .
Dharma is the inner path within body & common for all and everywhere.
Human Body is temple of Living God: CHRIST
This body is temple of God ,where gems of realization are produced
This world is temple of God but there is utter darkness without Guru
:Guru Granth Sahib(3rd Guru Amar Dass)
Principal Subhash Arora
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Dear Sadaks,
Following DO`s and DONT`s said in Veda is Dharma.
B.S
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Hari Om
Dharma has been defined or expressed in a variety of ways by Scriptures, Saints , and generally. What is essence? Consider the following 2 liners:
PAR HIT SARAS DHARAM NAHIN BHAI !
PAR PEEDA SAM NAHIN ADHAMAAI !
Doing good for others- this the greatest Dharma ! Giving pains to others- this is the greatest Adharma !
CHAR VED SHATH SHASHRA MAIN BAAT MILI HAI DOY !
SUKH DEEJE SUKH HOY HAI, DUKH DEEJE DUKH HOY !!
After thoroughly studying 4 Vedas and 6 Scriptures - two things have emerged. If you give pleasure to others, you become happy. If you impart pains to others, you become sorrowful.
That is essence. What are characteristics / symptoms of Dharma? These are Non-violence, speaking truth, not to steal, remaining pure and controlling sense organs.
There are 4 types.
1 Who do work of others (do good to others) by renouncing their own work/ pleasures/selfish cause. (They follow Dharma. They are 'dharmic people'.)
2 Second type is those who do not harm their work/ selfish cause but subject to that do work of others (They are ordinary people)
3 Those who for their work/selfish cause/ pleasure spoil the work of others, do evil to others. (They are demons/rakshashas in human body)
4. Those who without getting any benefits for themselves, without any selfish reason of themselves spoil the work of others, do evil to others ! (WHAT TO CALL THEM...? It is a Question !! )
To my limited knowledge, I have found only two creatures yet who harm others without any benefit to them..type 4 people.. One- Snake (Snake sometimes kills an innocent, non offending human but does not get his belly filled in thereby. Harms others with no benefit to it.) Two- Rat (Rats destroys wood or cloth without getting any benefit out of the action)
Jai Shree Krishna
Vyas N B
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Religious has two major parts: Spirituality and responsibilty to everything mother nature has made.
Dharma is the Responsibility we have to all and everthing around us mother nature has made . Some even extenda Dharma this to manmade things also.
Harilal
Harilal L. Patel
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Sadhak asked :
should physical sufferings be co-related to our deeds . are our un- religious [ paap ]deeds are the cause of pain and sufferings in this life may be of previous birth ."? why on earth mostly earnest ,truthful and honest people suffer more ?
Saadhaka answers : every deed bears fruit. which deed will bear which fruit, varies from individual to individual. what is evil deed (paap) for one, might be good deed (punya) for the other. no records are available now as to which deeds in previous birth, are the causes of physical sufferings in present birth. there is NO FLAW in Nature and so whosoever seems to be earnest, truthful and honest in your eyes, is DEFINITELY worthy of 'that' suffering in the eyes of Nature's Law [what is given, is received]. Often we find what is seen, is not there and what isn't there, is seen by us.
Humbly,
Saadhaka.
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Respected Sadhaks!
Please attain yoga (samataa) by being devoid of evil (buraaee rahit) only;
instead of doing good to others which is not always in out hands.
[saadhak-sanjeevanee pp 399].
Humbly,
Saadhaka.
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Technically this subclassification of four is done to emphasize the importance of knowing your divine base even if
someone has done no sin throughout life but donot get the concept of divine base and do nothing to activate seven divine chakras or seven rishis within brain and spinal cord ;
thus all said and done one will not get divine light in heart and can not achieve Moksha.
Thus material.social,spiritual achievements are separate however one can use these all three to achieve fourth the Moksha
"Dr. Puneet Gupta"
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Scope of Dharma ... EVERYTHING ...
Dharma is trifold - Jaata Dharma, Samaaja Dharma and Sanaatana Dharma.
Jaata Dharma - Naturally inherent qualities in any entity e.g. sweetness of sugar.
Samaaja Dharma - Socially conceded and sanctified qualities expected in the respective population. It is bi-fold in general - (1) Law & Order , and (2) Religion.
Sanaatana Dharma - Mere presence in anything and everything. It is impossible to violate this. Therefore, there cannot be any ADHARMA from this perspective. Jaata and Samaaja Dharmas are existentially rooted in the manifested world and communities respectively. Therefore, there is room for variance and hence for interpretation here.
Natural qualities are evolutionary in nature. They evolve as per the environmental changes around through generations. They are embedded in every existence in a genetic level. Though they seem to be invariant at first glance, they do undergo perpetual change to adapt to environmental changes around over generations. The driving force behind this is survival. The changes are always to maximize survival chance for the creature in question. Therefore, an individual has a potential power to modify and even drop this nature though it sounds quite formidable to start with. As Lord KrishNa declares, Abhyaasa and Vairaagya are the key to fight this mighty force within.
Again, social qualities are collective qualities that are imbibed by (and enforced upon) an individual for survival. In other words, one ought to respect the qualities of those elements on which one depends to exist! That brings the notion of duties and responsibilities in an individual. To receive certain benefits of co-existence, one often ought to compromise one's very natural nature on one hand and accept an alien nature of the neighborhood on the other hand. The survival chance of an element is maximized as one enhances one's natural compatibility with the environmental qualities because one is well-endowed to meet the social expectations then. But it comes at a cost - suppression of natural qualities within and invasion of alien qualities from around! This conflict is the root cause for all miseries one experiences!!
The solution to the conflict is again bi-fold - (1) Adapt the inherent nature toward the current social equilibrium and (2) Reduce dependence on the environmental factors shifting the very social equilibrium toward yourself. Both inherent nature as well as environmental dependence exist for ONLY ONE reason - existential crave within. One depends on the world for survival and the very dependence becomes one's nature over time. This happens because one has not considered a possibility that one could be just blissful with or without any existence around! One who knows the natural bliss within and blends with that bliss absolutely is free of both inherent nature as well as circumstantial dependence. Then no duties and responsibilities exist and hence no miseries can ever exist ...
Yastvaatmaratireva syaat aatmatriptashcha maanavah |
Aatmanyeva cha santushTah tasya kaaryam na vidyate ||
Such an innate bliss can be experienced ONLY WHEN one transcends all dependencies around ... only when one transcends all vested interests in any particular manifestation as well as all dependencies on any existence in the world ...
Naiva tasya kritenaartho naakriteneha kashchana |
Na chaasya sarvabhooteshu kashchidartha vyapaashrayah ||
THAT is THE NATURAL STATE (Sahaja Sthiti) of everything ... MERE PRESENCE. Therefore, THAT is the Sanaatana Dharma ever as THAT IS THE ONLY TRUTH for all existence as well. Peace or Silence, being the closest existential experience to that, is often referred to indicate THAT.
In a way all existential qualities arise within THAT TAINTLESS ETERNITY ONLY. Therefore, there is nothing possible to negate such existential qualities either as every change occurs in perfect agreement with the laws of evolution at subtle as well as gross existence. The very existence (Prajaa) as well the change (Yagnya) projected on the same remain such MERE PRESENCE in their infinitesimal as well cosmic presence. Therefore, according to me, there cannot be any ADHARMA anyway.
Therefore DHARMA it is and everything THAT IS.
Respects.
Naga Narayana.
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Dharma … Cannons of religion/seers/scriptures …
Just a thought to munch upon ...
Often it is believed and spread that seers and scriptures make Dharma, particularly when one translates the so-called religion as Dharma. DHARMA transcends all scriptures (Vedas, Bhagavadgita, Tripitikas, Bibles, Korans, Grantha Saahibs, etc.) as well as their seers (Vyaasa, Buddha, Moses, Jesus, Paigambar, Naanak, etc.).
Often a power-monging religion brainwashes its followers to believe that its cannons form The Dharma! Ideas being generated within the existential dominion inherits same qualities of existences. In this case, the qualities of genes - survival instinct - are absorbed in the ideas as well; often the cognitive counterparts are called memes! An ideology can put forth theories that its cannons form the knowledge in order to safe-guard and promote its existence.
In reality, The Knowledge remains supreme from which multitude of ideologies can and will pour out with their own memetic footprints depending on the circumstantial reasons and needs for which it happened as well as the medium through which it happens. A tip of the iceberg is often revealed to one's cognition to build the observation in the perceiver. If one jumps to conclude that the observations make The Knowledge, it is ignorance! It is darker ignorance if one claims ownership on the observation (Gnyaatrittva)!! It is blunder of all blunders if one believes that anything can ever make The Knowledge as such!!!
Because IT (Dharma) IS, the truthful and truth-seeking seers are enabled to have a vision of the same anywhere and everywhere. Yet, the vision CANNOT MAKE DHARMA! At best, it is a divine vision of Dharma!! So are the scriptures. They CANNOT make up Dharma in any form either … they just rejoice their vision of THAT. The vision is very subtle and transparent ... true to the seer's truthfulness in the very enquiry. All Upanishads are very clear and vocal regarding this fact. THAT IS WHY THEY NEVER GATHERED TO FORM ANY RELIGION!!!
Therefore, any seer, even Bhagavaan Vyaasa, cannot form Dharma. And according to me, even the "god-heads" such as KrishNa and Buddha cannot make up The Dharma. All that they can and they would do is to rejoice The Dharma, realize how they themselves are nothing but THAT, how everything is nothing but THAT ... and most importantly, educate the fellow beings regarding THE JOY of such ETERNAL UNION pervading all TRANSITIVE EXISTENCE.
Therefore, realizing why certain utterances are made in certain fashion, how closely they are hinged upon THE DHRAMA and how effectively they can guide a vigilant seeker toward THE TRUTH is of relevance. Quoting seers, scriptures, and even gods to define or justify Dharma is limited. It may develop confidence on one's exposure to the information ... but not necessarily will enable the seeker to progress in the path.
Respects.
Naga Narayana.
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Hare Krishna
I think It is the combination of all one has to be righteous,kauravas had cheated the pandavas and therefore there was a Dharmayudh between them.it was for reestablishing dharma that krishnavtar had taken place in that yuga.
Hare Rama
S.M.Vora
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In my humble opinion, Dharma is just a fruit of doing Karma with krishna/ishwar consciousness.
Lets focus on Karma dedicated to God and he would take care of the 4 fruits (dharma, artha, kaam, moksha).
Dharma is gross, Karma is subtle.
Lets work on the subtle and gross will take care of its own.
When saints do karma for prabhu/ishwar/krishna, he comes to re-establish dharma
as fruit in us and in society.
regds,
Rakesh
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should physical sufferings be co-related to our deeds . are our un- religious [paap ]deeds are the cause of pain and sufferings in this life may be of previous birth ."? why on earth mostly earnest ,truthful and honest people suffer more ?jai shree krishna
Chaman Nigam
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Hari Om
Whatever karma we do, we should always keep Dharma (duty) in view. Every action should be for welfare of 'others' and for all , it should not be alone for your own happiness ! Duty is never a subject matter of worry. It is a subject matter of 'vichaar' (careful consideration). Actually, you derive real happiness when you diligently do your duty, that quality/kind of happiness is not generated in enjoying worldly bhogs/pleasures. Even birds and animals get worldly pleasures !
One has opprtunity of doing duty, therefore, should consider oneself forunate.
In the deed, where you renounce your own pleasure and impart pleasure to others; where there is benefit of both you and others...that deed is 'duty' (kirtavya) !
By doing your duty, you get YOGA effortlessly. Only that person can do his duty diligently, who has OBJECT of doing good for all and give pleasure to them. We have got everything for doing our duty only, and that is sufficient enough. No human has got less material than what is required for doing his duty.
It is very easy to perform your duty (dharma) ! We all are independent and capable for the same. Yes..due to pramaad and laziness; due to habit of doing non-duty, due to desire for result always subsisting in us, the performance of duty appears difficult but actually nothing is more easy than doing duty (following dharma) !! When you have sense of 'doership' in you, then ONLY your
eye gets shifted to the duty of others. As soon as your eye turns towards duty of others, you derelict from your duty. Hence it is not your duty to look at duty of others.
When you do your duty diligently then irrespective of the fact as to whether you believe in God or not, there comes a 'sattwik pleasure' in your 'antahkarana' (innersenses- mind/intellect/ego) ! THIS happiness/pleasure is representative of your liberation.
Jai Shree Krishna
Vyas N B
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Dear Sadaks,
Understanding the self and prakurthi- Then desire for Dharmic pleasures (Ex: Bed
with wife only on days permitted/time permitted, ways permitted, and no other
woman in mind/ thought)- Then Dharma way of life (Withdrawing all senses after
certain age), - Moksha all of us know.
B.S
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Dear Gita-Member,
The sole purpose of Dharma is to reach God / divine or
as close as possible to Him. On this way, you will find your
health to improve, your dreams go from horrible to very-nice,
your painful/negative past will be gone, you will become confident,
you will let go your ego and anger and you will get "godly" communication
and spiritual experiences.
good Luck, Bye.
Notesh Otes
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Dear Sadhakas,
Hare Krishna.
This is in response to a question from a sadhaka.
Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita,
"Arto jijnasur artharthi,
Jnani ca bharatarshabhaha. "
( Gitaji 7, 16)
Which means,
'Four kinds of people worship Me,
The distressed, inquisitive, who want prosperity and who are looking for the
knowledge of the absolute. )
Any one of the these four kinds worships the Lord for whatever the reason may
be.
Dharma, Artha, Kama, and Moksha are all allowed in family life as long as the
intention is the pursuit of Krishna Consciousness.
But The only Dharma as per Lord Krishna is clearly described in Gita,
" Sarva Dharman Parityajya,
Mam ekam saranam vrajah,
Aham tva sarva papebhyo,
Moksham isyami ma suchaha. "
( Gitaji 18, 66)
Which means,
' Abandon every other Dharma,
Just surrender unto me, I will relieve you of all the sins. Do not fear. '
As per Lord Krishna, there is only one Dharma, that is the ' total Surrender
unto the lotus feet of the Lord'.
Let us practice the Devotional Service in the form of Chanting and advance
spiritually.
' Kali yuge Smaranan Mukti '
Chanting is the way to go in this Kali Yuga.
Thank you.
Prasad. A. Iragavarapu, MD
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Namaskaar Swami Ji et all;
This is the big Q, and i suggest - conscious that one cannevr completely get it
right:
In short, considering the welfare of all others and not placing one's self
first, such action done to the best of ones own capability with the least of
cost to others, is dharma executed at the highest level.
in Sanskrit - Nishkaam
raviji
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Hari Om
Very good question ! Such Qs provide Divine momentum to Satsanga.
Kaam, Artha, Dharma and Moksha - these are NOT 'purusharthas' actually. These
four are 'desires' in every human being. Out of these 4 desires , 2 viz
Kaam(Bhog- desire to consume worldly pleasures) and Artha (desire to possess/own
worldly riches) are subject matter of PRARABDHA (Fate/Destiny- dependent upon
your past Karmas. Your current /immediate Karmas have no role here) ! Other 2
viz Dharma (Righteousness/Duty) and Moksha
(Liberation/Freedom/Salvation/Emancipation) are subject matter of PURUSHARTHA (
Current/Immediate Karmas) !
In fulfillment of desire of Kaam and Artha...Prarabdha is required ! But in
fulfillment of desire for Dharma and Moksha ..Purushartha is required. It is
another matter that most of us use Purushartha (current karmas) for Kaam and
Artha and leave Dharma and Moksha over the Prarandha...a stupidity !!!
Coming to Dharma ..what is Dharma? Dharma is the name of 2 things:
1 To do 'paropkaar' - deeds for welfare of others like charity, putting 'piaoos'
(water supplies for general public ) , feeding poor etc etc
2 Based on your Varna/ashram doing diligently your duty as prescribed by the
Scriptures !!
That raises the Q as to what is DUTY? Duty is that which you CAN do and which
you SHOULD do. Only that Karma which you do for welfare/good of others is duty.
The deed which is done for self (or for persons to whom you consider as mine) is
NOT duty...it is merely a karma (which binds) !
Whether you call as 'Dharma' or as 'DUTY' - both words mean exactly the same.
The aforsaid is the exact scope of Dharma.
Jai Shree Krishna
Vyas N B
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Dharma is righteousness [as you ask] as said by Krishna in verses 7 & 8 of
chapter 4 of Gita [Gita Madhurya page 51 ].
Humbly,
Saadhaka.
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Living for Liberation … and, liberation within living …
Dharma cannot be isolated from its three partners - Artha, Kaama and Moksha. If
we don't understand one, it is imperative that the rest is not understood
either. Therefore, let us address the cluster together. Just like any other
existential cluster, this also is dual in its direction - one in living and one
for liberation. The fellow suffers as one spreads ones legs on both the paths
that seem to run in divergent and opposite directions! On one hand, one craves
to live and at the same time, one hates any miseries!! One completely misses the
fact that the perceived living and perceived liberation from miseries fall into
mutually alien domains!!! Balancing the two to unify oneself within is
spirituality; and, Dharma-Artha-Kaama-Moksha is one fool-proof path to attain
THAT UNION.
Often, it is ill-conceived that liberation is to quit living! The very notion
that "those are two distinct dominions" is ignorance. Living and liberation are
inseparable as ever. Na hi kashchit kshaNamapi jaatu tishThati akarmakrit …
nothing in this universe that is manifested can ever transcend the realms of The
Action, living in other words. One has to attain THE ETERNITY amongst the
relatively mortal existence only ... anityaih dravyaih praaptavaanasti nityam
... there is no other choice! Therefore, one should learn living in the right
perspective in order to attain Liberation within the realms of living ... iha
chedavedeet atha satyam asti ... if you can't realize while living in spite
having all these faculties within and access to the world around, how can you
imagine to achieve that when you lack both?! USE your living to attain THE TRUTH
... Annam praaNam chakshuh shotram mano vaachamiti ... Meditate with your
faculties within and the world around to appreciate THE TRUTH in ALL ... tapasaa
brahma vijignyaasaswa ...
LIVING: Dharma -> Artha -> Kaama -> Moksha :: Tendencies -> dependencies ->
Desire -> Relief
In living, by default, one is driven by Dharma which is nothing but the inherent
tendencies that keep churning out needs and dependencies (Artha) from within.
The needs directly or indirectly threaten the existence or survival and hence
create perturbations or restlessness within. The desires (Kaama) arise from
these needs in an attempt to moderate/eliminate such restlessness in order to
bring in a balance. It is the desires that can drive the rest of the system -
mind and body - to seek associations in the world around to bring some potential
relief (Moksha) within. One DOES attain freedom within whenever one's desires
are met however momentary the state may remain. The corruption here is that the
seed (tendencies, Dharma) is never removed! The restlessness manifests again and
again ... desires continue ... toiling of body and mind continues which
otherwise is perceived as misery! Thus, misery becomes an integral part of
living. Therefore, seeking liberation within such living becomes paradoxical.
LIBERATION: Kaama -> Artha -> Dharma -> Moksha :: Desire -> Meaning -> Root
cause -> Eliminate
The spiritual process is just to experiment a reversal in the natural phenomenon
whichever one is considered! So is the case with Dharma and its partners.
Instead of being driven by the inherent tendencies, ride the desires (Kaama) to
their roots. Note that you do not have access to anything other than the
desires. Therefore catch the desires and ride them toward their roots. Drive
yourself to unearth the meaning (Artha) for the desires that you seem to be
infested with. The meaning will show you the deeper shades of the desires that
is hidden within one's innate nature (Dharma) in the sediments of one's
sub-conscious! Question the very need of this innate nature to its core. Only
then you probably can gather courage to drop your very nature (Dharma) and
respond to Lord KrishNa's call ... Sarva dharmaan parityajya maamekam sharaNam
vraja ... and seek THE ONE where there can't be a second. When there is no
second, how can there be any threat to THE PEACE thereupon?! When there is no
threat of any kind, how can there be dependence??!! FRREDOM (Moksha) is the ONLY
POSSIBILITY then.
That is THE FREEDOM (Moksha) that is often referred to as LIBERATION wherein
there is no room for any needs, even need for Moksha!!! The very need for Moksha
takes retirement as there is no threat of bondage there ... Sadaa me samattvam
na muktirna bandham ... Chidaananda roopah shivo'ham shivo'ham ... living
continues at perfect balance (PEACE) as ever ...
Respects.
Naga Narayana.
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Dear Respected Gita-Talk member,
Scope of Dharma:
Dharma -> spirituality -> "prayers in your thinking" ->
Wash your karma in 3+ years-> end your life for a better life.
Normal physical thinking (which is 90%-95% negative) will take you
down in your life. Following Dharma or prayers with physical thinking
in your mind will not help you.
Good Luck. Bye!
Notesh Otes
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