Shri Hari
Ram Ram
Acceptace of truth that God is mine & I am God's (Bhagwat Gita 15.7) is possible but very difficult.
By chanting the name of God it is easy to accept the truth.
I have to chant the name of God so no alternative for God realisation/peace of mind. No other can help,I have to chant the name of God in the age of Kaliyug.
Is my understanding right.
Thanks & Regards
Pawan Kumar Singhal
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FOLLOW UP QUESTION
So after reading above posts, i have one doubt remaining....
How should I observe my relationship with God....should I see it in sense of worldly relations like I am His son or I am His lover or in any type....Because while doing so, am I not committing the mistake of seeing myself still as a body and not as "I am only God's" ?
Rishabh Didwania
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Sadhak Rishabh Didwaniajee!
Every relationship (son, father, mother, friend, sakha, daas etc) that arises (comes in to being) will vanish when physical body ends.
Self that is eternally God's (before the body is born, during the body exists and after the body perishes) remains God's, needing no relationship.
Accept with firm determination,"I am God's ONLY and ONLY God's mine" [as directed by Swameejee) and see that IT IS and all other relationships with God change with time.
Humbly,
Saadhaka
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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!
Welcome ManjulaJi! Nice to see your short and sweet response after long time!
This is response to Follow up question by RishabhJi.
Somehow I feel strongly that if the meaning of God is understood through our experience, using God given Intelligence, Trust in Scriptural/Swamiji's words, interest, then you will know the true meaning of "God is mine and I am God's"!
Relationships are problem only if one wants to possess, dominate, depend, use someone for one's own interests! So, even such relations as son, lover, friend, may be used to glorify one's ego.
In the absence of ego, all relations are Divine! We can Love God only through some such relationship, and above all by serving such relationships! One cannot relate to God with body identification, if you relate to God sincerely, then identification drops off!
In this way worldliness is replaced by Godliness!
You are fine if you can be honest about it!
All bodies are His body! When you hear or read "I am not the body", it means I am not this body only, I am either all bodies, or no body, both are fine! No one body can survive on its own, and bodies never tell us they are separate! When you understand "God is mine" you are acknowledging the demise of ego, you are never limiting God to be "yours" alone! How can you?
Namaskar...Pratap Bhatt
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Hari Om
Re: Follow up Question
Your desire 'to observe' the relationship as son or friend etc itself is example of the acceptance: 'I am body' ! You need not go that deep. In Bhakti Yoga- there is no need to begin with ' I am not body'. A bhakta considers ultimately that everything is belonging to His God and sees his God everywhere. Hence you need not worry too much on this aspect. Just consider you to be belonging to Him rather than to the world. BELIEVE this firmly, it will set into you because it is truth. In case of Bhakti Yoga, it is God's responsibility to arrange for whatever is needed by a Bhakta. You simply establish a relationship with Him, an exclusive relationship.
Actually in Bhakti, sadhak 'CHANGES' his (her) AHAM. He doesnot purify (karma yoga) or eliminate (Jnana yoga)
Aham...He changes from I am of the world to I am God's ! In that change , both 'me' (ahankar) and 'mine' (mamta) get addressed while in Karma Yoga 'mine' gets purified (removal of bhoktahood) and in Jnana yoga 'me' gets eliminated. But in Bhakti, both undergo a change. There it becomes duty of God to make you realise- I am not body.
Concentrate more on 'Doosaro Na Koi' ...'Mere to Girdhar Gopal' has to be exclusive ...no other should be yours...Doosaro Na Koi !!!
Hence you can fearlessly consider Him to be your father/friend/lover..anything though God loves FRIENDSHIP the most. In Ramayana Lord made 3 friends- Nishadraj Guha (Siddha); Vibheesan (Sadhak) and Sugreeva (Bhogi/worldly) ! Lord Krishna also made Arjuna as His friend.
Change of aham is instant. There is no need for you to set yardsticks/try to know as to whether you have actually become or not or what aresymptoms thereof. Just have child like belief. When we can't leave 'asat' (false) even easily, how truth will leave us?
Jai Shree Krishna
Vyas N B
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Dear Sadaks,
Why do we chant? 1) Fear of death and to get mukthi. 2) Because sastras says Namasankeethan is Bakthi in Kaliyug and liberation. 3) For nis Kama Prema Bakthi.(Pure Love towards God not thinking of anything in return). From Chanting IF we develop love towards God -1, next we chant more frequently without seeing who is observing-2, then we continue chanting irrespective of sufferings or problems-3. But chanting-1 itself leads to emancipation of soul in better structure atleast in next birth. finally after 3 stages, a person becomes Guna Teeth which Bagavan says in Geetha HE likes him most. In that stage chanting is not necessary. There was A Bhramin referred in Garuda Puran, who never chanted. Narath Rishi asked Sri Vishnu who is HIS best Baktha. Bhramin was told. Naradh came down to earth and saw tha Bhramin sharpening a sword. Smelling trouble- Naradh in disguise as ordinary man asked the Bhramin why he was sharpening sword. Bhramin replied,"I want to kill Arjuna, next Narath, because they are always chanting Sri Vishnu name Narayana causing God trouble". This Bhramin utmost love not to trouble GOD. If that we get NO need to chant. But chanting will lead to GOD in this same birth or over few birth depending on strength and quality of chanting. In Shiva Baktha everyone knows Sant Kannaper who never knew to chant. Ajamilan you all know never chanted but went to heaven. HOW IS POSSIBLE- Can any sadak reply. Same thing with prostitute pingala- Gokar brother never chanted but hearing Bagavath liberated- chanting mantra was main for Jada Bharat, but he had to be born as Deer, Jayadev was great Baktha of Pori Jaganth, but his wife saw Bagavan first- Any Sadak NOW THIS STORY? Kasi Batt was chanting Jaganath randomly, but Bagavan Jaganath came to his house,- Droupathi had Sri Krishna name in her corner of mind strongly. When she was striped, she called , "A KRISHNA DWARKA VASIM---" God came to her rescue. whereas Dharmaraj her husband could he called Hey Krishna once while throwing chess, he would have won. So calling Paramathuma if deep in body, mind and soul (Thrikarna) one need not keep chanting but he will be relishing love on GOD internally and will look like mad man. Recently I saw vedio presentation on day of Shiva Rathri of a Guruji at Coimbatore belonging Ayush. There was lot of music Didwans singing, Drum beater dancing Etc. I asked a person who is close to that Guruji, why this show. He said, Shiva Rathri one should not sleep, but should do Shiva Nama Sankeerthan. The I asked why not do that instead of musical night. You can have the show any other day of Guruji birthday, not on Holy day. NO answer. Option are given to humans by God with very great benevolence, that atleast one day- be it Shiva Rathri or Vaikunt Ekadasi one day chanting short cut to mukthi. Gurujis never tell their disciple the concept of Bagavan Shiva or Narayana- Why I dont Know. Big statues of Shiva or Narayana outside is immaterial when NO BAKTHI within. Pardon my posting if any mistakes.
B.S
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Dear Divine,
Pranams.
Think how is your breath flowing in and out of your body - go beyond physical organs. Think who is pulling this breath? Know who owns each one of your breath? Understand how much control do you have over so call 'my breath'?
In every inhalation and every exhalation try to chant HIS Divine name. Be aware of each breath, listen to your own chanting and feel the transformation it is bringing. You will get what you are looking for.
Let God/Gurus blessings showering upon us all the time be realized.
Humble regards,
always at Thy Divine Feet
Manjula Patel
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Hi
According to me, merely chanting the name of ram or krishna is not enough
The object of life is to be healthy,prosperous & live happily & giving thanks to god by right actions & good deeds done to others but secretly. But how ? By knowledge
But how to get this knowledge
Says lord krishna-"all work in its entirety culminates in knowledge o partha (arjun)
So according to me, the first step is hard work no matter what job you are in; high or low
From your hard work combined with prayer & taking gods name you will get health, wealth & happiness
balbir singh
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Rishabji, Thanks for the question. Very relevant indeed.
To relate God and Self … ANY -> ALL -> NONE
Relationship is bimodal in notion: I belong to others … others belong to me. Former generates a sense of dependency and imposes bondage in terms of submission and inferiority in one's perception. Later induces a sense of ownership and imposes a bondage in terms of command and superiority in one's understanding. Therefore, all relations indicate ownership since the entities related are never considered equal. In fact, one is incapable of cognizing anything that is not related to oneself! As soon as some new information is introduced, one instinctively looks how the new information is related to oneself. One cannot and will not proceed unless such a relation is established. One, how to communicate the new information inward unless it is linked to at least some memory cells within? Two, if it remains unconnected within, how to use the new information?? The very communication process breaks down without a relation.
Naturally, ownership indicators such as my, mine, his, her, belong-to, etc. naturally creep into any expression of a relation! Until one perceives a relation, ownership remains in one's perception. Until one perceives ownership, insistence of subjective existence (ego) persists. Until the ego persists, all its relatives such as crave, greed, aspiration, excitement, anxiety, frustration, anger, depression, etc. will flourish in one's experience. The only way to drive all these notions away is to remove the very notion of relations within. The only way to mitigate the relations is to purge the very instinct that keeps churning relations after relations - the ego!
Cessation of the subject (individual) from the perceived objects (world) IS ESSENTIAL to claim any relation either way. The ignition key for the very cognition remains in such a cessation. As soon as a cessation is perceived, a relation enters the arena along with associated ownership. Therefore, one does not know how to proceed without a relation as one's cognitive system is locked into the notion of a relation implicitly! Then how one can ever escape such a vicious circle?!
Therefore, one has to win over one's very instinct to stake ownership everything that is perceived. For this one has to (1) realize how all such stakes are faked just to sustain cognition from within; and (2) find a legitimate owner for all to reinforce the realization within.
The duality in ownership - I belong to some and some belong to me - is the root cause for instability within. One claims to be the owner ... but, any such notion flickers in its very inception and vanishes sooner than it appears! Thus, the want for ownership remains forever pushing one to stake claims of ownership on one or the other to sustain the self-proclaimed owner, the ego. Therefore, such duality has to be mitigated to attain an absolute stability within. Until one stakes individual claims, this duality ought to remain in the arena since the perceived objects continue to reciprocate sentiments opposed to the claimed stakes. The only way to mitigate such notional turbulence within is to realize an unquestionable authority on all.
The remedy is to attain a no-relation state! But how?? Antidote for any problem remains within the problem itself. Find a relationship that cannot reciprocate any duality. That is where the concepts of God and Self become useful.
The concept of God (Brahman) is fathomed from around - there should be a universal entity that dwells the whole universe to generate, sustain and absorb all its activities in absolute integrity ... Eeshaavasyamidam sarvam yatkincha jagatyaam jagat! Though the very concept removes all potential relations, one would not fathom it instantly. One starts nurturing a relation "I belong to God". Such a relation cannot reciprocate as "God belongs to me" would instantly remove the very notion of God from its conceived pedestal of supremacy.
Persistent and vigilant examination of all potential ownerships would start loosening one's ignorant beliefs on ownership on one hand and start revealing how the conceived God ought to be the owner of all ... Tena tyaktena bhunjeethaa maa gridhah kasya sviddhanam!! As the contemplation percolates within, the concept becomes conviction and conviction becomes reality. One looses one's individual claims altogether and God alone remains. When God alone remains, WHO IS WHOSE???!!! All relations vanish altogether ... ONLY TRUTH REMAINS AS IS AND AS EVER.
The concept of Self (Aatman) arises from a contemplation within - if the subject remains secluded from the objects as per the perceived cessation, how could there be any communication at all?! Then, how can there be any relation as such??!! Therefore, there should be one that never seeks cessation ever and maintains an unbroken communication across all the apparently discrete entities in order to enable the very relations ... Ritam pibantou sukritasya loke guhaam pravishTou parame paraardhye! The fellow does not seek any association and none can associate with Him. Therefore, the very notion of belonging falters there. Now the question remains, what are these entities that relating to each other.
Persistent and vigilant examination of all potential existence would start loosening one's ignorant beliefs on the very existence on one hand and start revealing how everything is just a shadow of The Invariant within all ... Chaayaatapou brahmavido vadanti panchaagnayo ye cha triNaachiketaah!! As the contemplation percolates within, the concept becomes conviction and conviction becomes reality. One looses one's individual existence altogether and Self alone remains. When Self alone remains, WHO IS WHOSE???!!! All relations vanish altogether ... ONLY TRUTH REMAINS AS IS AND AS EVER.
Therefore, my dear friend, choose "a relation" that you revere from your heart; realize how that alone remains in all other perceived relations; and then how can the very notion of relation remain?! Till then … practice the contemplation (Manthana) … cultivate the realization that churns out from the very process ...
Respects.
Naga Narayana.
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Sadhak says,"Acceptance of truth that God is mine & I am God's (Bhagwat Gita 15.7) is possible but very difficult"
Saadhaka understands ACCEPTANCE (I am God's and God's mine) is the MOST EASY HAPPENING (Not an action to be done) as whether one accepts or doesn't accept, EACH and EVERYONE is God's and God's EVERYONES. [Swameejee says,"bhagwaan ke samaan sulabh koee hai hee nahhen." Manavamaatrake kalyaanake liye page 84].
Chanting God's name is an action and all actions or inaction are not as EASY as this ACCEPTANCE IS.
Humbly,
Saadhaka.
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Hari Om
Well there is no doubt that 'chanting of God's name' is a very easy mean of accomplishing Bhakti Yoga and is in itself a 'sadhan bhakti' ! In Kaliyuga, there is special glory of 'naam japa'.
However, it gives faster results when 'naam japa' is accompanied by Prem (Love for God) ! That PREM comes to you, when you accept 'mineness' with Paramatma. It is a law : Love emanates effortlessly out of mineness. Actually, in the methods of God Realisation 'activity' is not important rather 'bhava' (sentiment) and 'Jnana' (knowledge) is important. Naam Jap is a wonderful medium of awakening bhavas and jnana though indulging in activity. But if 'bhava' is deficient, naam jap does not give special results. Regarding 'bhava' there are lot of things, but the most important is 'mineness with Paramatma' !
Said Goswamiji Maharaj - HOHI RAAM KO NAAM JAPI ...! You 'become' of Raam and then chant His name...if you do so that gives INSTANT results. Mistake we make is that we remain of world, and then call Paramatma. " We are worldly people, Kaliyugi jeevas" - like this if you accept then world and kaliyuga will impact you more, because you established relationship with them. People say: " Ham to khaali Raam Raam karate hain" (We do empty- only- Raam Raam) ! Why do you do 'khaali' Raam Raam...why not with 'bhava' (mineness) ?
I don't know why we consider the 'acceptance' to be difficult. Even a child does not experience any difficulty in accepting: Mother is mine ! Actually the glory lies in 'becoming of God' ! A chaste Indian wife never utters the name of her husband throughout her life, still because she 'becomes' of her husband, she gets emancipated. Such is the glory of 'acceptance' ! The more attached a child is to mother, faster she comes.
JUST AS: In group there are many mothers and children . When a particular child calls "Maa" - only his mother comes running , not all mothers inspite of the fact that all are mothers. Meaning: Child becomes of that particular mother and then calls. That impacts the mother. Not his use of words 'Maa' ! Had only words been powerful all mothers would have come running ! So it is 'mineness' which is primary.
But your understanding in Kaliyuga is not imperfect. Yes...Naam Japa is an independent sadhan. We must do that. When you do so, by grace of God you shall 'become' of God also, in due course. Ma Suchah ! Keep doing 'naam japa' whole heartedly, doubtlessly..! Words can't express the glory of 'naam japa' !
JO JEEVA CHAHE MUKTI KO , TO SUMREEJE RAAM ! 'HARIYA' GAILE CHALATA, JAISE AAWE GAAM !!
If Jeeva wants emancipation, he should keep remembering Raam. Just As: By keeping on walking, you reach a vilage.
All said and done, still, I can't advice you 'not to accept mineness with Paramatma'. HOHI RAAM KO NAAM JAPI- is correct method of naam jap. A naam jap without Prem (bhava) is not futile, in Kaliyuga highly recommended, but 'becoming of Him' gives very fast results. You should ask more Qs on 'acceptance' !
Jai Shree Krishna
Vyas N B
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Hari SharaNam,
Sri ShankaraachaaryaJi Maharaaj says ..
NA MOKSHASYAAKAANKSHAA BHAVAVIBHAVAVAANCHAAPI CHA NA ME ,
NA VIGYAANAAPEKSHAA SHASHIMUKHA SUKHECHCHHEPI NA PUNAH |
ATASTVAAM SANYAACHE JANANI JANANAM YAATU MAM VAI,
MRRIDAANI RUDRAANI SHIV SHIV BHAVAANI-ITI JAPATAH || (DEVI-APARAADHA-KSHAMAA Stotra/8)
I don't have the desire to attain Moksha, neither I have the desire for the worldly wealth. I don't have expectations of sciences and O the Moon-faced Goddess! I don't even desire for the luxuries and comfort. O Mother! Thus, I beg You, that whenever I am born, give me the chanting of these names to me รข€" Mridani, Rudrani, Shiv, Bhavani.
If you really have the true quest to understand the meaning/importance/glory of chanting Lord's name from Saints & Scriptures, you can study the lines starting from "BANDAU RAAM NAAM RAGHUVAR KO -1/18/1" to "SUMIRI SO NAAM RAAM GUNA GAATHAAA, KARAUN NAAI RAGHUNAATHAHI MAATHAA -1/28/2" of "Sri Raam Charit Maanas" by GoswaamiJi.
I would also strongly suggest to study the chapters "10 to 15" of the section "Bhakti Yoga" of "Saadhan-Sudha-Sindhu" by Swami RamSukhaDasJi to have detailed understanding about chanting Lord's name. SwamiJi has explained each & every step very nicely.
May all be blessed!
Niteesh Dubey
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Dear Sadhaka,
Hare Krishna.
Your understanding of chanting the Holy names, is absolutely correct.
In Brhan Naradiya Purana,3.8.126, it is mentioned,
" Hare Nama Harer nama,
Harer namaiva hi kevalalam,
Kalau nasty eva nasty eva,
Nasty eva, gatir anyatha. "
Which means,
' In this age of kali, there is no other means of self realization, no other means, no other means, than the chanting of the holynames, chanting of the holy names, chanting of the holy names. '
Bhagavad Gita also says,
" Yajnanam japa yajnosmi. "
( Gitaji 10, 25)
Which means,
' Of sacrifices, I am the chanting of the holy names, ( Japa) '
' Kaliyuge Smaranan Muktih' which means,
Chanting of the Holy names is the way for liberation in this kaliyuga.
Let us chant and spread the divine wisdom.
Thank you.
Prasad. A. Iragavarapu, MD
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Dear Ones, Namaste!
Pawan KumarJi, your understanding is right, chanting God's name with total Trust, longing of the heart, and making it the highest priority of life will do miracle!
It is not only in Kaliyuga, in any age it is so. One caution: It should not be casually done just because Saints tell us that it is enough in Kaliyuga to chant only, nothing else needs to be done, while I go about living a life as I please.
Life style, in the sense of making an honest living, helping others, remaining content with what one has, following some Gita principles whatever one understands! The beauty of Gita or any scriptures, for that matter, is that you don't need to first understand the entire text to implement it, one can start with whatever one has understood even if its just a verse or two. So, don't worry about difficult to accept, just know for a fact that whatever one understands gets automatically in one's behaviors!
If acceptance of "God is mine and I am of God" is possible then it is not difficult!
It becomes difficult because we say it is difficult and mind obliges us because we already accepted "yes, is difficult"!
The process is that by chanting sincerely, one will know what is God, and what it means to be of God. From there one can see, "oh, it means God is "I/me" also in addition to all "I/me's" of others!
If everyone can say "God is mine and I am of God only", then, God must be all inclusive! Thus one may start seeing God in others as well, first, occasionally and then more often, and then nothing but God!
When that happens what else remains to run after?
Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt
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Chanting … Power of contemplation …
Vaalmiki was a ruthless hunter plus robber in his prior life. Once Devarshi Naarada is countered by the fellow. Naarada asks him, "Why are you doing such heineous act?". Valmiki says, "Yes! I am doing this for my family". Naarada counters him back, "Do you think any would share your sins?!" The confident robber says, "Yes! My family adores me!!" Naarada chuckles, "Why don't you confirm? I will wait for you."
The fellow returns crest-fallen after a while and tells Naarada, "I was mistaken. Everybody wants what I take home; but, nobody wants to share my sins! Please guide me out of this!!" Naarada's mission was accomplished. He asked the illiterate robber to chant "RAMA". The fellow says, "I don't know what it is! What is the use?!". Naarada shows him a tree and asks him, "What is that?". Valmiki says, "MARA (tree in Kannada)". Naarada says, "OK! Chant MARA". Vaalmiki starts chanting "MARA" continuously. The chant turns into "RAMA" sooner than he realized what RAMA is in the MARA itself. The illiterate brute becomes a realized Maharshi as Lord Rama reveals Himself to the truthful contemplation within through a tree (Mara).
That is the power of meditative contemplation. Just a simple sound such as "OM" is enough ... a simple object such as a stone is enough ... simply, oneself is enough ... even nothing is enough. Wherever you start and however you proceed, deep contemplation ought to reveal THE TRUTH in anything and everything that is contemplated upon ... BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS EVERYTHING!
|| Tasyai tapo damah karmeti pratishThaa || Undeterred vigilant focus is the basis for contemplation. It empties the mind off all the notions.
|| Vedaah sarvangaani || Knowledge pours into an absolutely unprejudiced empty mind. Rather it floods in with no barriers as all potential barriers for receiving the same are dropped in the very process.
|| Satyamaayatanam || The very contemplation being initiated toward THE TRUTH marches ahead to attain the same as awareness fills the empty fellow from within as the knowledge fills from around. THE TRUTH remains in the altar as the knowledge of the world grows with absolute awareness. As the existential knowledge merges into The Awareness within, The Awareness alone shines and THE TRUTH alone remains in the horizon AS IS ... and ... AS EVER.
Rather what you chant does not matter … how you apply yourself in the same matters a lot … why you do it matters much more. There cannot be any barrier to chanting in time or space. It is a foolproof path to realize in all Yugas anywhere in the world ... as far as it is done right. Therefore, chant my dear friend … Chant to contemplate! Contemplate to meditate!! Meditate to realize!!! Let that awareness in that realization shower the very meditation. Let that cleansed meditation wash the dirt in contemplation. Let that divine Gangaa flow down from such contemplation to the very existence that is immersed in the chanting ... to cleanse the ignorance and inertia scattered in its nooks and corners. Let The Awareness BE as IS and as EVER illumining all the activities within as well as around.
Respects.
Naga Narayana.
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Kaliyug naam adhara.If you exercise devoution(chanting is the simplest technique) sincerely,you knock the gates.In His blessings you shall feel the response.
subhashtewari
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Dear Gita-Talk member,
Chanting God's name by mouth while your mind is
wandering somewhere else is of no use. Nothing
of your chanting will ever reach God. Instead you
should "throw all your thoughts away" and then "chant
God's name" in your thinking. This will have the effect
you are looking for. With this process, you will eventually
loose your EGO. Once this is done, in 3+ years of
"chanting" will abolish almost all your negative karma
and you will be getting "bells and whistles" for higher
powers as you move forward.
Good luck! Bye!
Notesh Otes
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It is about knowing our self and being our self while everything happens....
It is all in our interest i.e. to live in peace, joy, happiness, bliss..... qualities of true self....
Choice exists..... to live with clear understanding of who we are.....
What we choose determines whether it is going to be satyug or kalyug for us.....
Question should be reframed to "Do we really know what we wish for"....
Sushil Jain
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Shree Hari Ram Ram
You may benefit from reading these articles by Swamiji
Become God's and Chant His Holy Name
http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.net/eBooks/Become-Gods-and-Chant-His-Holy-Name.pdf
Glories of Chanting the Lord's Name
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sadhaka/message/2882
On Chanting and Repeating God's Divine Name
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sadhaka/message/1967
Chanting Holy Name Transcends Nature
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sadhaka/message/1521
Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram
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