Shree Hari Ram Ram
Last round of inputs before bringing closure to this older posting.
Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram
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I have been reading the sadhaka posts for over five years. I read today's post carefully just now and it felt like swamiji was talking about me. It struck me, that my life is exactly as Swamiji describes it with regards to satsang. It is by the way thing, a casual thing. Satsang is engaged in when all other work is completed, when stomach is full, when sleep has been adequate, when weather or temperature is
conducive, when place of satsang is convenient, when food is served after satsang, when there is nothing else to do. When these conditions are met, then I think of satsang !!!!!
Swamiji says, we are not willing to devote the time, yet we are expecting miraculous results !!!
Swamiji says that when the aim is not worldly, then only one is a sadhak, or else he is not a sadhak. I believe in my heart that my aim is not worldly, and I am not interested in money or deceiving, dishonesty, falsehood, or doing sinful things (asaadhan) etc. My aim is only spiritual discipline and being a sadhak of a high caliber. Swamiji says, a sincere sadhak is a rarity! How to be that rare soul? to get past this inertia, this complacency, this mediocrity? How to long for satsang ? wake up and look forward to doing bhajan, how to feel uneasy when hours go by without remembering the Lord? How
to become sincere, devoted and one who is fully committed, one who is a full time sadhak, from today onwards and forever, once and for all?
Sarita S
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this is not being said for the sake of saying, but so that you may understand.
that satsang which is heard, read, seen from the outside, will be of aid when are doing satsang for digesting it (situating in the heart along with Paramatma), or else all will remain at the mind-intellect level, and when this happens then the question arises that why am i not able to experience the divinity of satsang. Without situating the Lord within and establishing a relation with the lord, (o' you are already connected, but are of the belief that God is somewhere far and He will meet us someday) nothing will happen.
HINDI
kahaneke liye naheen kahaa jaa rahaa apitu aap samajhen, isaliye kahaa jaa rahaa
hai :
satsang [jo baaharase sunaa, padhaa, dekhaa jaataa hai] tabhee saarthak hogaa
jab aap use pachaaneke liye satsang [hradayamen baithe paramaatmaakaa saath]
karenge, anyathaa sab man-buddhi tak hee rah jaayagaa, aur yahee hotaa hai tab
prashna uthataa hai ki satsang [anubhav] kyon naheen ho rahaa. binaa bheetar
baithe paramaatmaase jude [are jude huye to hain hee parantu is maanyataamen
ghire hain ki paramaatmaa kaheen door hai aur 'milegaa'] kuchh naheen ho paataa.
astu.
savinay,
saadhaka.
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Hari Om
Swamiji once said: The word 'sveekruti' (acceptance) appears very VILAKSHAN
(special ) to me.
Why not? If you go deeply , you will find that 'SELF' has only one POWER...(I am talking of 'Self' ...pure Self)...Acceptance and opposite thereof viz Rejection (Tyaag) ! It has no power to do ...even. How special ! You can only accept or reject. All actions are done by body ...never by 'self' ! 'Self' is beyond 'matter and activity' viz beyond Prakruti ...! All 'actions' take place in the
regime of Prakruti..! So...Divine Sadhaks..'Self' can not act or do ! BUT ..it can ACCEPT doership. How special !!
Eternal Religion (Sanatan Dharma) therefore insists upon relinquishment/rejection/ renunciation of that 'doership' ..that ''kirtitva' ..that self assumed false acceptance. Acceptance (Rejection)/Association (Disassociation) / Connection (Disconnection) / Attachment (Detachment) .. By whatever words you call that, it takes shape of attachment (me/mine, Mamata) and tyaag in a sadhak's sphere. Religion wants you to do TYAAG ! Shun wrong acceptance...reject
that 'I am of world, the world is mine' ...it is a false acceptance. The rejection of this false assumption is called TYAAG !!! The beauty is that TYAAG is always 'action-less'. It is a Law: By aid/help of 'Prakruti' (activity/matter) , you can not reach Pramatma. Tyaag is not action, it is disconnection with an action..how deep ! How divine !!
When Mirabai said : Mere to Girdhar Gopal, Doosaro Na Koi ...she accepted correctly in "Mere to Girdhar Gopal" and rejected the false assumption in "Doosaro Na Koi" !
So Divine Sadhaks...you have only one power ..To accept/renounce. When SELF exercises this power with discrimination (Viveka) and accepts SAT and rejects ASAT...he gets liberated.
As simple as that !
Jai Shree Krishna
Vyas N B
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You should read Swamiji's books like Sadhak Sanjivini, Sadhan Sudha Sindhu and other small books.
Keep up the feelings mentioned in the email. It is easy to feel this way for shorter duration. It is difficult to maintain this state for a long time especially until death. Instead of aiming too high, I would suggest that you slow down. Appreciate your current desire for spiritual upliftment. Hold on to it and try to nourish it. Reading Swamiji's book will help you to maintain such state and further improve it.
Do some daily sadhana like naam jap.
If you do above, you are surely more advanced than me. What can I say more! Rest will be in the hands of Sita Ram.
At His feet in service,
G B
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I have always felt fascinated by the statement naasate vidyate bhaavaaa, naa bhaavaa vidyate satah. Is the statement more about the Timeless time or about matter occupying space?
Ganesh Narayandas
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Radhey ! Radhey !!
I agree, it is 'acceptance' all along. A humans's sorrow journey starts with
false acceptance described in Gita by immortal words: YAYEDAM DHARYATE JAGAT (BG
7:4/5) ! That 'dharyate' means 'acceptance'! You 'accept' affinity with unreal ,
with world, and there started the journey always leading you towards SORROWS (
Dukhalayam ashashwatham)! When you reject this 'wrong acceptance', then you have
done 'tyaag' ! As soon as you do 'tyaag' ..instantly you get PEACE as a law.
Because the very sorrows were there due to adoption, association with false.
Sanatan Dharma therefore gives highest importance to Tyaag (Renunciation), and
that too of a false acceptance. You have to renounce that which is already
renouncing you, with with you can not remain connected ..! What is difficulty in
that? Can there be an easier thing ? Actually, NO !
Radhey ! Radhey !!
Nisha Chatterji
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How to become a sincere and fully committed sadhak?
It is already summed up well by Vyasji ... ACCEPTANCE is THE KEY. Correction is
always within.
However, I would like to add another ...
Relentless SELF-EXAMINATION ... until ACCEPTANCE is established ... and whenever
one is disturbed from the same. Again, correction from within is the only
fool-proof route.
Regards.
Naga Narayana.
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"I believe in my heart that my aim is not worldly".
It can be possible that your point is true .... however one time I had a similar
question that I had asked of a good sadhak, and they had replied, that your aim
along with God is also side-by-side of the world.... therefore you have not been
successful in this regard. At that time I did not believe that person... but
now I am absolutely clear about this that there is desire for the world as
well...
If you look deeply, then possibly you too will realize this. If there is a
genuine longing, a want then it would not take long... God surely fulfills a
true and sincere quest.. as such on one hand your question is such that how can
it be so? I do not know... I too have the same question....
Meera dasji have you read anything about this question in Swamiji's satsang?
IN HINDI
ho sakta hai ki aapki baat theek ho....lekin ek baar maine kuch isi tarah ka
prashn kisi achhe sadhak se pucha tha to unhone kaha tha ki aapka lakshya abhi
bhagwaan ke sath-sath sansar bhi hai....tabhi aapko safalta nahi mil rahi
hai....tab maine unki baat nahi maani thi....mujhe lagta tha ki aisi baat to
nahi hai....lekin aaj mujhe bilkul theek deekhta hai ki sansar ki chah bhi
hai.....
aap bahut gahari se dekhiye sayad aapko bhi pata lage,.....yadi sachhi chah ho
jaaye to deri nahi lagti....bhagwaan sachhi chah jarur puri karte
hai.......halanki ek tarah se aapka prashn bhi yahi hai ki waisi baat kaise
ho!!....to mujhe nahi pata...mera bhi yahi prashna hai......
Meera dasji aapne swamiji ke satsang me is prashn ke baare me kuch padha
hai??....
sandeep kumar
Ram Ram
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Radhey ! Radhey !!
You are already a human and hence sadhak. You need now to fix your object first.
That object when firmly fixed, will become 'acceptance' and your all activities
will accordingly be governed. Your body is an automatic machine. It gets
governed by 'acceptance'! It is because you 'accepted' that I am of world, world
is mine ..in your mind thoughts of world are automatic and effortless while you
"have to do" bhajan/saadhan. But that is not real 'saadhan'. Real sadhan is that
which does not have to be done, rather which happens effortlessly and
automatically. You have to reach to that state where you remember Paramatma
without remembering, where you are doing bhajan effortlessly but thinking about
world 'has to be done' !
That state is possible ONLY when you ACCEPT: I am of God, only God is mine,
nothing else is mine.
Humanity will never be able to repay Saints like Ramsukhdasji Maharaj who gave
to us a key for reaching to door steps of Paramatma.
Radhey! Radhey!!
Nisha Chatterji
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Dear Sadhaka SaritaJi, I read heartfelt longing in your post.
As I understand spirituality, there is little or no room in it for questions
beginning with "How", like how to be a rare Sadhakas, How to long for satsang,
etc.
In the matter of functional tasks or dealing with objects of this world, "How
to" becomes necessary due to the required know-how etc that one needs to learn.
However, to be sincere Sadhaka, rare or not, one has to be sincere seeker of
Truth and sadhana begins now, not tomorrow. You know there is no "how to" for
being a Peaceful person, or Loving person, one has to be at peace, or has to be
ready to love, that is all.
Peace and Love are experiences only and thus one has to find obstacles that
prevents feeling Peace and Love, and remove them. This is Sadhana. If you feel
lethargic to get up in the morning to do meditation or worship, then you have to
find out why it is so, and take care.
The biggest thing I have learnt is that when there is interest in knowing God,
then automatically one gets up, not force upon oneself. For this one has to give
it a fair try though!
So, Saritaji, your question "How to become a sincere and fully committed sadhak
once and for all" has to be answered as "Just be Sincere, committed to God". It
should be noted that one doesn't try to be sadhaka, one just pursues sadhana to
know "I", or "World" or "God", any one.
Finally, just jump into these pursuits as per teaching of Swamiji or Scriptures,
Satsang with like minded people without worrying for the results as to how it
will turn out. Placing too much emphasis on results in the beginning takes our
heart and mind off the Sadhana!
Of course in all these one should not neglect the family obligation, if any.
These obligations are part of sadhana!
Begin, Begin, Begin !
Pratap Bhatt
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Dear Sarita,
In my humble opinion,sincerity is by itself a rare
quality...how many of us are sincere to ourselves,in the first place ? Naturally
therefore sincerity as an attribute is very rare...
What has been your experience in Life ?
Haven't we read accounts about "dhongi sadhus" and "Dhongi
Holymen" ? Many of them get exposed on out TV channels often...
Only gullible and unquestioning belief invites such Dhongis to
exploit one...
The question you should have asked,perhaps,is how to
distinguish Dhongi Holymen from the Genuine Ones...?
Yogesh Lajmi.
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Shree Hari Ram Ram
"I am God's and God is mine". This is the absolute truth! Nothing else is mine
or for me. Mere to Giridhar Gopal, dusero na koyi ! Swamiji laid great
emphasis on this point. Rest all, God will take care off ! Meera Das, Ram Ram
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Hari Om
I have read /heard Param Shraddheya Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj extensively ,
continuously and with a focus for more than a quarter of a century. If somebody
asks me asto what is His the best, a single contribution , I will always
struggle to reply because each and every word/talk/
concept/advice/guidance...thing emanating from Him is priceless nectar for a
sadhak. Simplicity of implementation, Sadhak Sanjeevani, keertans, exemplary
conduct, daily life incidence co-relation to sadhana, panchamrut, 'karma' and
'yoga' , desire for happiness is sole cause of sorrow, mineness eats away your
virtues, selfless service destroys mamata, eternal/infallible principles
governing human life, sanyog/viyog, Laws of nature, Laws of Karma, the division
of body, importance of viveka, the 'knot' of sentient and inert; power of pukaar
(calling out) , principles of surrender, 3 powers of human, 3 desires of human,
3 elements existing ...Jeeva/Jagat/Jagdish.......what is sadhak .. What is
saadhan...and..so on ...! ! Countless ...!!
But still, in all humility, I would venture to confess that His 'acceptance'
theory is undoubtedly one of the best contributions to a sadhak ...of course
what to talk of HEY NAATH ! Main Aapko Bhoolu Nahin ( O Prabhu! Let me never
forget you) !!!
ACCEPT: I am of God, only God is mine, nothing else is mine ...!! ESTABLISH
mineness with Paramatma.
This theory / sadhana method is so simple, so direct, so truthful, so easy to
implement, so effective, so natural...so complete, comprehensive and
automatic... indeed words can't describe ! This alone can get you very quickly
PREM, Devotion, Bhakti, Sat, Chit, ANANDA...just one acceptance, Divine Sadhaks
..can get you Paramatma in as little a time as KSIPRAM (fraction of a second).
Delay is only because you tolerate(accept) delay. One only has to believe in it
and get started ...! Rest everything falls in line. This method ensures 'You
remember Him without remembering' ...you have 'become' of God.. JUST AS a
pativrata (chaste) wife 'becomes' of her husband ..! When is she not of her
husband ? She is in fact always...24X7 ..of her husband..irrespective of whether
she utters his name or not..irrespective of whether apparently she remembers him
or not. Once 'becomes' she becomes for ever...! Once you get married ..you can
never be called bachelor again. Hence BECOME OF GOD, Divine Sadhaks ..! ACCEPT
...!
Actually, world is only because of your acceptance...everything, I repeat...
everything in human life has co-relation with 'acceptance' including sorrows,
birth, death, happiness, fame/ill fame, mineness,body, good, bad, bondage,
freedom, tyaag.....what not ?
That is Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj for you, Divine Sadhaks !
Pranaams to Him ! Can there be another ? EKO.. NA DVITIYASYASTI ...NA BHOOTO NA
BHAVISHYATI !
Jai Shree Krishna
Vyas N B
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Dear sadaks,
Realization of SELF happens automatically, once papaas (Sins of past or now) are
at edge, and your Puniyas (Blessing- Karuniya- or Daya) are more to your
account. Listen to Vidhura Neethi or read. Complete answer is there.
Wether you like money or not is criteria. Ranganatha Gosami was disciple of
Samartha Ramadoss- Marathi Shivaji saw in woods sitting under tree almost nude.
Sivaji covered him with robes, put up an umbrella to keep him cool, kept
delicious food. His master Ramadoss came on the way and said, "Gosami what is
all this". He replied, "What". Your robes, Etc. Gosami never was conscience of
things around but saw the things given by Sivaji. This meant what if I have or
Not. 2nd he never differentiated when he was in wood naked or now dressed.
Gosami just threw away all that and went to another place in solitutude, just
because his master said. You have money, wife, children, big house, car etc. But
if one is conscience that these are all temporarily gifted by GOD and it could
go any time. So if one remains the same when in nothing condition or with all
the wealth of the world, then he is realized one. Crying when it goes and
rejoicing when it comes is ignorance. Sri Rama best example. Janaka King best
example. Jada Bharath best example. Buddha best example. Christ best example
when his body was well or crucified remained the same. Not a word of curse. This
refers to Vidura Neethi which explains best.
B.Sathyanarayan- Chennai
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The insufficiency of the worldly life, what you call material life will let you
explore the mystery of existence. Till the time, you are satisfied within the
ambit of your worldly life, you will not inquire the other dimension. It is
pain, insufficiency of the worldly life that spurs one to venture out. One
adjusts with pain, insufficiency by explanations, ideas, theories. The inquiry
does not arise. It is only when this adjustment becomes difficult, that one
faces intense pain, or intense pleasure or there arises intensity, pain to
understand-'what is all this'. It is not search for sufficiency or search for a
mentally comfortable state. It is search for Truth. For the Truth of Existence
and not stop until one actually sees. It is your fundamental question,
fundamental pain that guides you and not any philosophy or practice. You are
ALONE in this discovery.
Truth is always discovered first hand. Original. It is never a copy.
Are you ready?
Y V Chawla
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Shree Hari
|| Ram Ram ||
Thank you Saritaji for a very good question! Your sincere and earnest quest for
the Supreme is commendable indeed. Your feeling of discomfort with the status
quo is a great start. The concern you have raised, I am sure is shared by many
'would be' true seekers. As you have rightly pointed out, remembrance of God
cannot be left to-- 'when time permits', it has to become a top priority in our
daily lives. We should do every action with a prayerful attitude as an humble
offering to Him and thus transform our ordinary daily actions into divine
actions. In this way we do not need a separate time to do worship of God. In his
discourses, Swamiji Maharaj has outlined the process very clearly for the
sincere Sadhkas, some of the helpful hints are as follows:
. Most important requirement for an aspirant is to have a single one-pointed
goal of attaining God,
with a firml belief that the only worthwhile purpose of human life is to
attain God (Gita: 2/41).
. Surrender completely to God, where there is dependence only on God and none
else (Gita: 18/66).
. Accept whole heartedly and work sincerely to live by Swamiji's Panch-Amrita
(Five Nectars):
1. I am God's (I do not have any relationship with anyone else except God)
because all worldly
relationships are temporary, they are only there for the opportunity to do
our rightful duty to
them and not to expect anything in return.
2. Wherever I live, it is a God's place only (The house I consider as mine,
belongs to God only)
3. Whatever auspicious work I do is His work only (Because whatever I use to do
the work, belongs to
Him only).
4. Whatever pure and Sattwic I receive, it is His Prasad (Out of His grace)
only.
5. With the things I receive, I serve His devotees only.
Few more references from Gitaji:
"I am easily attainable, O Partha (Arjuna), by that ever steadfast
Yogi, who constantly remembers Me and thinks of Me alone"-- (Gita 8-14).
"Those devotees, who worship Me alone, thinking of none else and ever united
with Me, I myself attend to their wants and needs and provide them with security
of what they have" -- (Gita: 9/22).
"O son of Kunti (Arjuna), whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you offer
as oblation to the sacred fire, whatever you bestow as a gift (Charity etc.);
whatever you do by way of penance (austerities etc.), offer it all to Me"--
(Gita: 9/27).
"He from Whom all beings emanate and by Whom all this is pervaded, by
worshipping Him through performance of his own duty, man attains perfection."--
(Gita : 18/46).
For detailed explanation of these Gitaji Verses, pls. refer to Sadhaka
Sanjivani!
|| Ram Ram ||
Humble regards,
Madan Kaura
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A sadhak is not the body, rather it is the inner sentiments (Manavmaatra kalyan
ke liye pg 96) with the body you can do bhajan, keertan, repeat the Lord's
name, offer daily prayer and worship, contemplate and meditate on God. All
these are aids to spiritual discipline, but they are not the spiritual
discipline itself, if the sentiments are something other. At all times the
sentiments should be that let there not be "asaadhan" (sin, falsehood,
dishonesty etc) done by me. Then only "saadhan" will be taking place, as it
has been said in (Manavmaatra kalyan ke liye pg 104)
saadhaka shareer naheen hotaa, apitu bhaavashareer hotaa hai. [ mmanavamaatrake
kalyaanake liye prishtha 96]. shareerse bhajan, keertan, naam-jap, poojaa-paath,
chintan-manan, smaran honaa saadhan men sahaayak bhale hee ho, par saadhan
naheen, yadi bhaav kuchh aur hai. haradam bhaav yahee rahe ki merese asaadhan na
ho jaay, fir saadhan hee hogaa aur aap saadhak honge, jaisaa kahaa hai.
[mmanavamaatrake kalyaanake liye prishtha 104]
astu.
savinay,
saadhaka.
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Hari Om
Divine ! Divine indeed !! This Satsanga Forum has its own divinity ! Welcome
Saritaji ! Pranaams !! Pranaams to your 'subheccha' (auspicious desire), to your
aim, to your confidence and to your determination. Yes...this is how one
realises sadhakhood in oneself !
MA SUCHAH !
First ,
Swamiji says, a sincere sadhak is a rarity! How to be that rare soul? to get
past this inertia, this complacency, this mediocrity?
Swamiji said: Every human is essentially a 'saadhak' . The human form of life is
a 'saadhan yoni' !! Hence every human is saadhak by very form, by very
characteristics, by very nature, essentially, naturally and spontaneously !!
Where is rarity? Where is co-relation with inertia, etc? A sadhak is never
careless. More keenly and carefully you read Swamiji, more nectar you
drink...Bliss !!
Why you should project that you should be a 'high calibre' sadhak ? Can there be
a 'low calibre' sadhak also? Throw away even a shadow of pride ...you need to
have a child like heart. Hence, do not look at being 'sadhak' as a rarity or as
some very monumental or fame generating mine or storehouse ! Also, do not at
being sadhak WITH AIM OF NO INTEREST IN ANY OTHER THING...'duty' remains
attached to you till you are liberated, whatever kind of sadhak you may aspire
to be.
Look at it as a natural state , that is SATSANGA !! Satsanga is natural not a
rarity. It is inside you, you need not long for it ! It comes , manifests
effortlessly ..JUST AS : This Gita Talk Forum has come effortlessly to you. JUST
AS: When a fruit ripens, parrots come...Satsanga also comes. When you become
sadhak, you have got associated with Sat ! "Duty" is also SAT (Dharma) !
This is Divine :
How to become a sincere, devoted and one who is fully committed, a full time
sadhak, from today onwards and forever, once and for all?
Really divine, Saritaji ! Yes...! You must be a sadhak 24x7 !! Yes... Full time
...! This is 'Subhecchha' ! This is devotion already ! Yes... Definitely, once
and for all ...!!
Become of Paramatma !
With simple, child like heart, accept ...MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAAL, DOOSARO NA KOI
!!!
But Saritaji , no importance please to thoughts like:
how to feel uneasy when hours go by without remembering the Lord?
JYON TIYA PEEHAR RAHE, PEE KO BHOOLE NAAHI ! AISE JAN JAG MAIN RAHE, HARI KO
BHOOLE NAAHI !!
Just As , a wife never forgets her husband. Even when she is at her mother's
home, she does not forget her husband. Similarly, a human , while living in this
world should never forget God.
Why every wife does not forget her husband ? What efforts she makes to remember?
What kind of desire or longing is required there? she, simply, "becomes" of her
husband ! Similarly, therefore, instead of worrying about ' how to feel
uneasy...' simply 'become' of Girdhar Gopal !
With simple, child like heart, accept ...MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAAL, DOOSARO NA KOI
!!!
Jai Shree Krishna
Vyas N B
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Dear Sadhak,
It is a nice and sincere attempt for any genuine seeker.
You have raised question in first para and beautifully answered it in second
para.
What you have mentioned in second para i.e. what you want to be is the only
way to do it. The only thing is through your experiences and by remaining
truthful to our
feelings and analysing them day-by-day can only help to move ourself. You are
right, most of us are tuned
to comfortable bhakti in the most conducive environment. We should always pray
for Prabhu's aashirwad
to keep us in right track and in right company. Rest when our house will be in
fire we will not
go to neighbours to ask whether we should leave the house, you will be
automatically out of house of
maya and delusion. The only thing is to put house of maya on fire through
constant dhayana/yagana(analysing).
It IS rightly put by some one:
BHEEKHA BAAT AADHAM KI
NA KEHAN KI NA SUNAN KI
JO KEHAT SO JANNAT NAHI
JO JAANAT SO KEHAT NAHI.
Hari Om
raina
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