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[gita-talk] Re: What is Spiritual Path? What is not Spiritual Path?

 

In Gita-Talk Guidelines it is written :

FOR QUESTIONER

1. The questions as far as possible must be relevant to Gita, relevant to Dharma, relevant to other scriptures and relevant to motivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path.

Question is : What is 'spiritual path' and what isn't 'spiritual path'?

Humbly,
Saadhaka.

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Radhey ! Radhey !!

Focussing on 'Vasudev' is spiritual path; focussing on 'Sarvam' is non-spiritual path. Connecting with Paramatma is spiritual path, connecting with Prakruti is non spiritual path. 'Mandan' (following dharma of ownself) is spiritual path, 'khandan' (criticising others' way of sadhana by sticking to one concept) is non spiritual path. Disconnecting with SARVAM is spiritual path, connecting with Paramatma is also spiritual path. Rigidity is non spiritual path, appreciating all is spiritual path. Turning your face towards God is spiritual path, turning your face towards world is non spiritual path. 'Acceptance' is spiritual path, 'learning' is non spiritual path.

Radhey ! Radhey !!

Nisha Chatterji
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Dear sadaks,
Answer is in question itself. Spiritual path is the path of spirit (Athuma Gyan). That which is about everything around and thinking the body and its organs is himself, and the mind that produces Ego, desires etc is his own effort is NOT spiritual path.
B.S

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spiritual path is quest to understand the three ;jad chetan and atma; inside a human being designated as a real aim of human living..

"Dr. Puneet Gupta"
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Dear Ones, Namaste!

Simply put, Spiritual path is about understanding spirit which is the Essence or Reality of oneself)Jeeva), the world in which one lives(jagat), and what is God(Jagdish),
It is meaningful and most important pursuit of Life. It is so because only when we know our Reality by experiencing it as such, we can have freedom from sorrows.
Atmavitta tarati shokyam, says Upanishad, the one who knows Atman can swim the ocean of Dukha(sorrows). Otherwise we live in ignorance, the cause of our suffering.

By implication, living in ignorance of oneself becomes non spiritual pursuits!

Now as Moderators have asked for suggestions:

As I see it, any question mundane or otherwise is appropriate in the sense that the questioner may not know that as an obstacle to meaningful living, a must for the Spiritual pursuit. Sadhakas may be able to suggest some ways out of it, give a new direction where he/she can go or stay away, etc etc.

After all, it is the purpose of this forum to use Gita, Swamiji's teachings, Scriptures, good books, as resources to guide the questioner to resolve problems. Such resources should touch and address our day to day(mundane) life to make it non-mundane, to be useful to us.

Another important point is that we should bring our experiences to bear upon what we say, rather than just quoting Scriptures and Saints and Sages. We need to use our own vocabulary so it is fresh, what we have understood, and not remembered things only. Ask people to look at their own experiences as they read, hear, and inquire about life. There is no substitute for looking within.

We should also be considerate of questioner's situation by putting ourselves in his/hers place, whenever possible. Straight answers are better than implying as if answers are obvious. In other words, make questioner feel good about asking, not feel sorry for asking!.

Namaskar....Pratap Bhatt
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Living, Life itself is spiritual path.
The spiritual inquiry, fundamental inquiry starts when 'you are unable to find a satisfactory, logical, rational explanation' in respect of 'what is troubling you' or ‘what is happening’- otherwise it remains a scholastic discussion.
When one faces something, which is beyond logic, beyond liking, beyond one's comfort zone, one rejects by giving expressions like anger, anxiety, stress, fear, confusion, guilt, wonder, intense pleasure and so on.
These expressions give a touch of the non-linear, something beyond logic. When the impact of these expressions is not explained away, the brain is charged to see the Truth.
Y V Chawla

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Paths ... spiritual path ... no path ...

I presume our humble seeker is pondering on the "spiritual path" itself rather than the guidelines for the forum. It is an intriguing question indeed - what is spiritual path and what can be not?! It reminds me of a popular story.

Once the celestial brothers - Kaartikeya and Vinaayaka - in Kailaasa were intrigued how their father Shiva could remain ABSOLUTELY SILENT AND CALM eternally. When enquired, Father Shiva asked them to engage in enquiry in order to appreciate HIS depths. Kaartikeya rode his bird all around the universe, learnt a lot about the world, but returned crest-fallen unable to fathom the depths of his Father. On the other hand, Vinaayaka chose to just sit at his Father's feet quietly and understood everything that his Father was. Intriguing indeed. Many perceive many paths and call some spiritual and some non-spiritual. Some do not see any path and do not see any reason for the very classification!

Multiplicity is the nature of the beast called cognition. Outward vision is the lopsided capability it is released with. On top of all, tagging value to every discrete perception is the intellectual habit nurtured.

Paraanchi khaani vyatriNaatswayambhooh tasmaatparaangpashyati naantaraatman |

Therefore, one's intellect always perceives multiplicity with variance and suggests accordingly. It always looks for tagged value to decide its locus amongst the perceived variance. It calls the perceived possibilities for its loci as paths. The value tagged to the path is related to that of the associated target(s). Once there is multitude of paths with values tagged along, the distinction is made - good, bad and ugly. The same sentiments are reflected within in one's experience - good, bad and ugly. The very attempt to classify the targets and paths is to align itself toward its own biased direction called "good" as much as possible. If it was always possible, there would not be any problem.

But, the intellect being limited to its recollectible memories to make judgments and decisions is often outrun by the infinitude of potential variations in its perceived environment. Often the initially perceived "good" plans turn out to be "bad" and even "ugly"! The confounded intellect roams all around its perceived world to find causes for its failure in order to fix itself toward "good" again and again.

There is an essence of intelligence that remains unperturbed and remains a witness to all the dynamism of its sibling. It is called wisdom. Being closest to the invariant reality beneath all variations in intellects perception, it always chooses to stay with the invariant as is and as ever. In spite of being part of the existential system subjected to perpetual variance, it remains invariant with respect to the emotional attachments and priorities the rest of the system shows.

One who follows the intellect will learn about existential realities while the one who remains in wisdom will remain The Bliss as ever. It is a balance between the intellect (Devasenaani) and his existential fleet that drags one into the existential upheavals and the wisdom that seeks THE TRUTH amongst the perceived existential realities is the TaanDava Dance Shiva is eternally engaged in. The TaanDava continues in each existence as is and as ever.

If one says there are many ... so they are ... multitude of dances in infinitude of existence ... and infinitude of paths to choose from ... infinitude to be ...

Yathodakam durge vrishTam parvateshu vidhaavati |

Evam dharmaan prithakpashyanstaanevaanuvidhaavati ||

If there is ONE as IS and as EVER … so is THAT … The universal TaanDava merges into THE ONE THAT EVER IS … no more existence … no more paths …

Yathodakam shuddhe shuddham aasiktam taadrigeva bhavati |

Evam munervijaanata aatmaa bhavati goutama ||

Dear Humble Seeker, the wise men of yore consider THE SELF to be THE ONE where there is no thought of second … For a Kaartikeya, being like his great brother Vinaayaka is "spiritual". But, for Vinaayaka, there is no path ever.

Respects.

Naga Narayana.
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The spiritual path has been clearly stated by lord krishna as

All work in its entirety culminates in knowledge o partha
So the first requirement of true knowledge is work
Even if one is very rich with a lot of income one must work
With the knowledge gained from work one must perform right actions
What are right actions-looking after your family-your community. Not Hurting any family member inspite of difference of opinions
Avoiding such people rather tha engaging in disputes
Settling disputes of family property even if you get less but peacefully-the Less you may have got will increase 20 times in time
Touching your head daily to the ground to thank god for all that you have, maybe Less or more. This is the right spirit spitual path
Not hating anyone with faults for all are the creation of god

The wrong path is-not treating your elders with respect-shouting &getting angry Without reason at other members of your family. Not being satisfied with what You get from your own labour & trying to swindle or cheat others.not working Hard or living on others income.having a hatred towards others.non belief in
God. All these are not the spiritual path & will lead to unhappiness

Balbir

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Shree Hari Ram Ram

Good point! Narrowing the scope and establishing guidelines was done with the idea of remaining focused on Gita related questions and any obstacles sadhaks are facing pertaining to their sadhana (Spiritual practices). The ideas was to address questions that are less of a mundane nature, that do not attach importance to the body, identification with the body and its needs.

There are many different forums that may address various other types of topics far better than this forum.

However, we are open to changes, as these were shared with the group to provide feedback and incorporate improvements.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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[gita-talk] Re: Is Swami Ramsukhdasji Alive? Is It Possible to have Darshan of Him?

 

Hari Om and Namaste,

Is Swami Ramsukhdasji alive. If he is still alive, where does he live. Is it possible to have darshan of him.

Thank you
Laxminarayan

Ryan Sharma

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Shree Hari Ram Ram

Swamiji does not give importance to "vyaktitva" person, rather remains focused on spreading the message of Bhagavan (God) and His words (Gita). This remains the main aim and focus of His life. Just as Gitaji is alive, Swamiji is alive.

Swamiji says - The essence of belief is immortal. Hence, the belief must be on the principle and words of enlightened ones and not of mortal body or name. Living in accordance with advice and principles of those whom we consider as Mahatma is Swamiji's message for us. Swamiji words, books continue to provide direction and lead the path for generations to come.

Swamiji gives greater importance to Gangaji, the Sun or reverence / recitation of holy scriptures instead of his visitation and darshan.

It is highly recommended that you read Swamiji's Will to gain a deeper understanding of Swamiji's message for mankind.

http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.net/AboutSwamiji/A-Humble-Request-A-Will.pdf

A treasure house of lectures 15,000 hours in lectures in HINDI, is available for listening. Please take advantage of the same.

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http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijicontent/

With devotion,

Ram Ram

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Radhey ! Radhey !!

JO TU CHELO DEH KO TO DEH KHEH KI KHAN ! JO TU CHELO SHABDA KO TO SHABDA MAIN
BRAHMA GYAAN !!

If you give more importance to 'body' then know that body is property of dust.
But if you give more importance to 'words' then know that words are immortal
Brahma !

Swamiji lives in the hearts of us all. You can do darshanas of His bhav shareera
by reading His books / hearing His discourses. Swamiji is MAHATMA in the truest
and the most pure sense of the word.Mahatmas are never body, NEVER !!!

Radhey ! Radhey !!

Nisha Chatterji

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If Swameejee was the name of the physical body which perished some years ago, Swameejee doesn't live now. If Swameejee is the name of what was uttered through that body, Swameejee IS alive now and WILL REMAIN ALIVE till all that exists in our hearts.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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[gita-talk] Re: Mahapralayam is Expected, Your Insights Please?

 

Dear Geeta Sadhakas, Namaskar

B. Sathyanarayanji has mentioned in one of his postings...In Upanishadas, it is stated that Mahapralayam (Final Dissolution) is expected, sometime, when the whole Earth will be covered with water....

That is true. It is an example of the scientific foresight, our Great Thinkers of the Past (GTPs) had....Just think it over scientifically...you will get the answer....

Presently, there are mountains...material at high level..and oceans, lakes, rivers etc... water filled at low levels...Now erosion is taking place...every year tons and tons of soil is brought down from high levels and that is filling the low lying areas of the earth...

In thousands of years...the high level areas will be gradually reduced and low lying areas will be filled with soil...

In essesnce the Earth`s surface is getting equalised....A state will come, when these levels will be equal...then where will the water of the rains, lakes, rivers and oceans will go?...

It will cover the whole surface of Earth...and that is exactly the concept of Mahapralaya as stated in Upanishads....

...Gee Waman

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After mahapralayam, how and when the equalised surface of the earth brings mountains and oceans in to being? What physical agency does so? Speak scientifically, please.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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Radhey ! Radhey !!

So take one step forward. A mini-pralay (our own death) is already at the door
step ..let us worry about the same. What is our readiness? DO BATON KO BHOOL MAT
JO CHAHE KALYAAN ! NARAIN EK MAUT KO DOOJE SHREE BHAGWAAN !!

But there is time for MAHAPRALAY. So far humanity is eating only animals, they
have not yet become cannibals. We are in Kaliyuga- only 5000 years of Kaliyuga
have yet completed. In TRETA YUGA even the people had started eating flesh of
holy people/sadhus/saints. We have not yet reached that ferocity. Soon Holy
Ganges will return to Her abode in Vainkuntha (in another 50/75 years). All
teerthas except Kashi and Vrindavan shall go back to their origins with Holy
Ganges. The average age of humans shall fall to 25/30 years. A 13 year old girl
with become grand ma ! The humanity is heading towards extra ordinary
deterioration. It will take time. So far only ghastly sins like abortions,
foetus killing are increasing, a day will come when anybody talking even about
God will be eaten alive. Humanity at large will not even get water easily, what
to talk of food !

Hence let us concentrate on priority about our own emancipation.

Radhey ! Radhey !!

Nisha Chatterji
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There has been too much air about this apprehension since last few years,particularly in reference to Mayan forecasts.About 3-4 years back when Large Head Collider machine started working in Cern,Switzerland,the apprehensions went very prevailed throughout the world.It was doubted that accidental generation of blackholes which will swallow and digest the whole of earth.It was also doubted that any mishap can also generate so much heat which will boil off the oceans.MAHAPRALAYAM.
subhashtewari

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[gita-talk] Re: So Many Meanings of Atma; How to Simplify Gita Study?

 

when we study gita there are so many meanings of aatma.
so many words substituting aatma.
why is it necessary?
how to simplify?

sushil jhunjhunwala

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Dear Sadaks,
Water is called Neeru in Telugu, Paani in Hindi etc. But water is water H2 O. The uses of water and effects is steam, ice, etc For each effect is called differently but water is the same.
B.S

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Dear Ones, Namaste!

SushilJi, you recognized many different words as meanings of Atma while studying Gita, that itself is a great leap forward on the path. Now if one knows Atma, one knows all that needs to be known.

Atma is Atman in sanskrit, meaning Aham, or I that all use universally. However, it doesn't refer to a body-mind of a person as is used in common usage. This I or Atma or Aham is not ego.

It is Sat, or Reality of a person which will be found to be the ONE Reality of all beings upon inquiry, Sat being Imperishable Ever Existing. Sat is the experience of ever existing with us waking, sleeping, dreaming. This is the Knowing that "I am", and is self-evident, meaning it doesn't need any sense organs, and mind to know it. It is not a mind's experience, but mind express it for communication purpose.

Swamiji refers to this as "hona or hun, or hai" in Hindi as our humble sadhaka puts it (as I understand it). This is also Sat-Chit experience that is always with us, namely you always know "I exist and I am conscious", everything else I know is through this Consciousness only. This is referred to as Atma in the context of a person(jeevatma), however, it is the same as Brahman, or Ishwara or Self, or God, the only One Universal Reality. Atma is not a part of the Brahman as is conveniently referred to, Brahman is Atman and Atman is Brahman, ever expanding Self-Aware Universe reflecting through all!

Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

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Radhey ! Radhey !!

You have to co-relate the terms used by Gita comprehensively with other verses,
immediate context etc. With wonderful and really divine book written by Swamiji
Ramsukhdasji Maharaj- GITA DARPAN- the Gita study has now become very easy and
simple. In Gita Darpan Swamiji has meticulously picked various terms used in
Gita and have stated as to what meaning is to be assigned to a particular term
in the particular verse. It is an amazing experience for a sadhak to understand
and read Gita then. Yardstick: The meaning must be in conformity with all other
verses and no contradiction must surface with other verses or with any other
Scripture of Sanatan Dharma !

Gita reading thus becomes very simple. One is also adviced to read Gita by
surrendering to it. Gita becomes a grand riddle for 'intellectuals' ! The
'bhavas' of Gita are 'unlimited' (anant) !! By using intellect you can't
decipher out Gita.Refer in this regard a recent satsanga on this Forum under the
head KARMA, where an elaborate discussion took place on the meaning of DAIVA
used in Gita verse 18:14. The beauty of Gita is that only one meaning can be
assigned ! All other alternative meanings make the meaning contradictory. Hence
Gita Darpan book is a must for really serious sadhaks, researchers and curious.
Hence instead of getting entangled in dozens of commentaries available on Gita ,
one should concentrate on Sadhak Sanjeevani Treatise written for sadhaks by
Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj and Gita Darpan, which is effectively a Foreword of
Sadhak Sanjeevani ! EKE SADHE SAB SADHE SAB SADHE SAB JAAY !!

Radhey ! Radhey !!

Nisha Chatterji

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Krishna say look Arjuna there is first Pran, then
manas then budhi and beyond all these is jeev atma located in jeev heart or hridya kosh.
This can be deciphered and got concealed via fifteen yags which is similar to full moon which become obvious on fifteenth day and again undeciphered after fifteen days.
Thus in Hindu calenders month start from dark night and ends in dark night.one part of fifteen days is called shukal paksh and another krishan paksh.
every day is a day to decipher or undecipher the self atma..

"Dr. Puneet Gupta"

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Aatmaa ... single or multiple ... simple or complex ...

SIMPLEST THAT EVER IS … THAT JUST IS … Nothing can ever express THAT and yet THAT verily IS everything that is ever expressed! Nothing can suppress THAT either and yet THAT remains the unmanifested hidden in everything!! Everything confluences into THAT as THAT encompasses everything!!!

One fails to fathom such a SIMPLEST ONE since one WANTS to see only many in their utmost complexity! One has convoluted one's very thought-process to imagine everything with multitude of attributes, properties and qualities that "make sense" within! One insists to draw lines and boundaries ONLY TO look at ITS expressed attributes, to appreciate ITS perceived properties and to feel ITS experienced qualities. One can't act or think or experience otherwise! One insists to sense the fragments of the world that is never fractured, to imprint discrete images of the apparent attributes in one's memory that is one continuum ever, and to experience isolated incidences in one's consciousness that is ever connected to all. One cannot believe one's very living otherwise!!

The complexity is created by existential nature of the being. All meanings for Aatmaa (and anything else as a matter of fact) is generated by individuals … that is you and me ... for only one reason - to relate oneself to the rest! The existential cognitive mechanism works only that way - IT HAS TO SPLIT THE EXISTENCE INTO TWO CATEGORIES - SUBJECT AND OBJECTS - in order to draw lines and boundaries in existence as action, thought and experience; in order to discretize each into their own multiplicity ... in order to live. THE UNITY remains as such. Nothing can be different irrespective of the way anything is conceived by anyone. The subject remains in all the objects and all the objects in the subject as ever. They remain as inseparable as ever. That is why one can be confident about any perceived idea - a fraction of the whole captured as an image in one's perception - ONLY IN A SUPERFICIAL SENSE! As soon as one entertains serious introspection within regarding the authority and authenticity of the perceived notions, the lines and boundaries start becoming hazy and start slipping away. The once-confident cognizer looses sense in the once-sensible idea that was conceived!! All lines and boundaries one has drawn within one's perception are as permanent as the lines drawn in space.

IndriyaaNaam prithagbhavam udayaastamayou cha yat |

The sensed permanency in such perceived division is only through one's memorial insistence. One has to be bound to a superficial appreciation to retain multiplicity in existence. The existence is as ever (Sat, The Truth). The perceived multiplicity is as never (Asat, lie). One relieving fact in the lie is that the very lie ought to remain within The Truth as ever ... and hence ought to be TRUE as well. In fact, that is the only potential way out as well as in to appreciate the same universal reality in the subject as well as the objects ... there is no other way ... Evam tvayi naaanyathe'to'sti ...

Compassionate that The Gita is, IT caters to seekers from all walks of life. While relating the BASIC INTEGRAL PRINCIPLE to the relative existential mosaic of faiths and beliefs, variant meanings may appear. But, if you are sincere, IT takes you to the center radially sooner than you catch up with IT; IT never digresses tangentially in teaching the fellow who seeks The Truth. One who insists to seek lies will have no choice but to see the lies anywhere and everywhere as none can ever change one's vision against one's insistence!!!

Knowing clearly the uncertainty of the images one perceives from around and the falsity of the images one gathers from within, one would not chase the complexity in multiplicity anymore ...

Prithagutpadyamaanaanaam mattvaa dheero na shochati ||

My dear friend, The Gita as well as its basis (Upanishads) never try to confuse anyone with complex multiplicity. They all propound THE ONE AND THE ONLY SIMPLEST TRUTH of MERE BEING in all. They may relate to complex multitude of existential perceived cases to start with so that the seeker can relate oneself and join the path of awareness within. They all univocally propound - YOU START YOUR SCRUTINY WITH ANYTHING IN PHYSICAL OR PERCEIVED WORLDS, YOU OUGHT TO SETTLE WITH THE UNIQUE TRUTH THAT EVER IS ...

Respects.

Naga Nrayana.

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If "VASUDEV: SARVAM" is NOT FALSE, what you or anyone calls Aatmaa IS PARAMAATMAA so Aatmaa has as many attributes as are possessed by PARAMAATMAA and if one gets bewildered by these two names, he or she proves Gita verse 19 of chapter 7 completely FALSE.
Humbly,
Saadhaka

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Tuesday, February 28, 2012

[gita-talk] What is Spiritual Path? What is not Spiritual Path?

 


In Gita-Talk Guidelines it is written :

FOR QUESTIONER

1. The questions as far as possible must be relevant to Gita, relevant to Dharma, relevant to other scriptures and relevant to motivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path.

Question is : What is 'spiritual path' and what isn't 'spiritual path'?

Humbly,
Saadhaka.

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Shree Hari Ram Ram

Good point! Narrowing the scope and establishing guidelines was done with the idea of remaining focused on Gita related questions and any obstacles sadhaks are facing pertaining to their sadhana (Spiritual practices). The ideas was to address questions that are less of a mundane nature, that do not attach importance to the body, identification with the body and its needs.

There are many different forums that may address various other types of topics far better than this forum.

However, we are open to changes, as these were shared with the group to provide feedback and incorporate improvements.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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4. Question must be brief, to the point and relevant to the group's primary aim of deeper understanding of Gita.

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[gita-talk] So Many Meanings of Atma; How to Simplify Gita Study?

 

when we study gita there are so many meanings of aatma.
so many words substituting aatma.
why is it necessary?
how to simplify?

sushil jhunjhunwala

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[gita-talk] Mahapralayam is Expected, Your Insights Please?

 

Dear Geeta Sadhakas, Namaskar

B. Sathyanarayanji has mentioned in one of his postings...In Upanishadas, it is stated that Mahapralayam (Final Dissolution) is expected, sometime, when the whole Earth will be covered with water....

That is true. It is an example of the scientific foresight, our Great Thinkers of the Past (GTPs) had....Just think it over scientifically...you will get the answer....

Presently, there are mountains...material at high level..and oceans, lakes, rivers etc... water filled at low levels...Now erosion is taking place...every year tons and tons of soil is brought down from high levels and that is filling the low lying areas of the earth...

In thousands of years...the high level areas will be gradually reduced and low lying areas will be filled with soil...

In essesnce the Earth`s surface is getting equalised....A state will come, when these levels will be equal...then where will the water of the rains, lakes, rivers and oceans will go?...

It will cover the whole surface of Earth...and that is exactly the concept of Mahapralaya as stated in Upanishads....

...Gee Waman

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[gita-talk] Is Swami Ramsukhdasji Alive? Is It Possible to have Darshan of Him?

 

Hari Om and Namaste,

Is Swami Ramsukhdasji alive. If he is still alive, where does he live. Is it possible to have darshan of him.

Thank you
Laxminarayan

Ryan Sharma

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Shree Hari Ram Ram

Swamiji does not give importance to "vyaktitva" person, rather remains focused on spreading the message of Bhagavan (God) and His words (Gita). This remains the main aim and focus of His life. Just as Gitaji is alive, Swamiji is alive.

Swamiji says - The essence of belief is immortal. Hence, the belief must be on the principle and words of enlightened ones and not of mortal body or name. Living in accordance with advice and principles of those whom we consider as Mahatma is Swamiji's message for us. Swamiji words, books continue to provide direction and lead the path for generations to come.

Swamiji gives greater importance to Gangaji, the Sun or reverence / recitation of holy scriptures instead of his visitation and darshan.

It is highly recommended that you read Swamiji's Will to gain a deeper understanding of Swamiji's message for mankind.

http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.net/AboutSwamiji/A-Humble-Request-A-Will.pdf

A treasure house of lectures 15,000 hours in lectures in HINDI, is available for listening. Please take advantage of the same.

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http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijicontent/

With devotion,

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