Saturday, March 5, 2011

[gita-talk] Re: On Development of World Community & it's coming into Existence. YourThoughts?

 

I read in a beautiful "FOREWORD" written by S. Radhakrishnan in a book called
"SAINTS CALL TO MANKIND" by Swami Sharananandji Maharaj which has touched me
deeply. S. Radhakrishnan says,
"The destructive potentialities of increased scientific power and technological
skill can be neutralized only by the development of a world community. If
human life is to be bearable, such a community must come into existence. This
requires a change in human nature, a great wave of generosity. The world cannot
be better than the individuals who compose it. Changes of government or
economic systems do not help us to raise the quality of human beings."

We must get rid of our self-centerdness and develop world loyalty. We have to
turn to the disciplines of religion for effecting change in human nature, for
saving us from egotism, individual and collective of which we are the victim.

Sadhaks, how do we effect such a change in the quality of human beings? HOW?
What are your thoughts on a World Community and World Loyalty?

A Sadhaka

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Dear Ones, namaste!
All of us seekers of truth should be concerned about wiping out destructive potentialities and make this world a beautiful place to live! It starts and ends with each one of us!

Notice, no one can remain peaceful if one's loved ones, one's friends, one's neighbor, or community suffers for whatever reasons! One feels pains, even if one cannot help for some reasons!
This suggest that we are so much interconnected that we cannot survive in isolation, not even physically! We are not "individuals" in the deeper sense. Individual means "indivisible". However, each one of us is the "world" itself. This is because whatever one thinks or does affects one and his immediate family, community and world at large in some measures, however small it may be. For example, what Mother Teresa or Gandhi as well as Hitler did is still affecting world! Their thoughts behind their deeds are in the environment for subsequent generations as well as thoughts of our ancestors!
So it becomes necessary for one to think and act responsibly because we are affecting the world. If all of us individually change, not just superficially, but in some significant way, right then and there, world around us will have changed!
On a more fundamental level, one should bring spirituality in life. Above all, Life should not be divided into "personal" life at home different from business life at work places, social, political, and religious life different. What happens then is that people cheat in business dealings and yet go to temple and think they are religious!
We should practice spirituality rather follow dogmas! We should be taught to be "world citizen in the core of our Being". Our communities and nationalities are only for practical reasons of maintaining welfare and rich cultures, traditions we are born into! Our actions should be with world vision, and not limited by nationalities which have brought about wars only!
These changes should be accomplished through education incorporating spirituality in curriculum of schools so our children be the agent of change! Even if it takes many years of right education for the new generations, it is still worth to start!
Let us not say "this is not possible, how can you change societies, nations etc" and go about doing things selfishly!
Ego is smart, when it finds weak in some situations to defend its selfish motives, it organizes community and nations to fight with other communities and nations!
Let us just start living what we are learning here on this platform RIGHT NOW, not tomorrow!
Pratap Bhatt

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There is only one way for each individual to prepare oneself for the World
Community as per Gita: to practice in life the Truth of equinimity, to see
oneself in everyone and every thing in the World, to see in oneself every
thing and every one in this World, not to get perturbed/ angry/ frstrated
over how things and people behave, to accept the World as it exists and
emerges in future, to give up all desires for physical, mental or emotional
satisfaction including the desire of setting up an orderly world community.
This may seem impractical to almost all people. That is the way God has
designed human beings.. But at the same time God Himself has given the idea
of equinimity for human beings to practice. Some practice, many others do
not. When most people practice equinimity in life, the desired World
Community would be established at least for a while. But for those who
practice equinimity, the World Community is already in existence.
Basudeb Sen

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To change all of mankind in to a perfect society or a good global community is to make yourself free of sins and a good person. Besides this no other solution will work. When Lord manifested on earth in the form of Lord Shri Ram and Lord Shri Krishna, even they were unable to transform all of mankind, then who else is there, or will ever be that will be able to change all of mankind? No one! Only change yourself. Become good yourself then the world will be able to become better.
So be it,
A Sadhak

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sanpoorn vasudhaakee maanav jaatiko ek achchhe samaajamen badalanekaa ekamaatra upaay hai - svaynko achchhaa banaanaa. isake alaavaa koee bhee upaay kaam naheen degaa. jab bhagawaan raam, shree krishna sareekhe avataaree purush pooree manav jaatiko badal naheen sake to ab aisaa kaun hai (yaa hogaa) jo pooree maanav jaatiko badal sakegaa? koee naheen. keval svaynko badalo, achchhe bano to sansaar achchhaa ban sakegaa.

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Dear "A Sadhaka",
It is very simple...
Put yourself in the other being's 'shoes'...and think from his(now,your angle)...
One does not need to READ any books on Philosophy to do this...only one should have the will and determination to do it...
Simple ? It is not as simple as one thinks it...Try it...and see for yourself...
With the very best wishes,
Yogesh Lajmi.
GOOD LUCK !

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Dear Sadhak,

I appreciate your feelings which come up after reading Mr. S Radhakrishnan's views.

In my opinion these views just remain the views on paper till these are implemented successfully. What I felt that there is no dearth of good views/opinion on this earth, however, all these views lost in the midst of selfishness of the people whose desire is only to become (1) powerful either by hook or by crook, (2) to amass the wealth, (3) to become fame and rule over the people.

If you look at the history of years back, you will find that people kept on fighting for the petty things viz. "ZAR, ZORU and ZAMEEN" and most of the rulers had lost their kingdom just for the sake of achieving their personal desire. The similar thing is happening in the present world.

So good ideas / opinion comes and goes but people remain unchanged because they are so highly gripped with self-centeredness or selfishness which guide them to follow or adopt only those ideas which either help them or their family to uplift their living standard. They won't bother to fulfill their desire, even at the cost, if it is harming their brother, sisters or society.

In Short, I would like to say that till the time people's agony remain, the selfishness shall remain and people though they are aware about good or bad things, keep on ignoring the good things just to fulfill their worldly desires

Further, I would like to elaborate that even a father is not able to get the views changed of their children then how is it possible to change the entire world. But father keeps on telling his children what is good or bad / right or wrong, in the hope that time will come when they will understand his teachings or views and mend them accordingly.

In my opinion, its better to change oneself on its own in such a way that let other comes on their own to emulate and make effort to change them. Even then, there is no guarantee that people will stick to the good things forever.

Its endless topic.

A Sadhak,

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Before we embark on a noble mission, it is well started when one anticiaptes the possible hurdlws and implants in the program methods and methodology to overcome such hurdles. this is not negative thinking or pessimism but calculated realism. Most of the suffering of humanity is high level of theorizing with no attention paid to practical implementability of the theory. As an example, it is theorized that lack of desires is the way to peace - internal and external. However, how practical is being�desire less. Impossible. Like that, saying the whole humanity is just one community the community of God' children is both impractical and unequal to the task. .I am a fgan of Sarv epalli; He was our neighbor when I was 6 OR 7. But a world community sans divisions of color, religion/faith and political economic divides is just not possible. Such divisions are due to the three Gunas of Prakriti, and weaknesses in human mind. Religions exploit these chinks and play Havoc. Gita and Krishna did their best to eradicate this virus of religion thru the elixir of Dharma. Unfortunately even us Indians do not recognize it In such case how do you contribute to world community. There is a saying in Telugu : .�

Krishna Samudrala

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Shree Hari Ram Ram

Attached are few responses related to society and community -

Question: What are some solutions to improving the Society?

Answer: By improving ourselves, the society automatically improves; because an
individual is a limb of the society. If one's own life is not proper, but we
speak great things then neither we will improve, nor the society. A prostitute
lecturing on "Pativrataa" (being a chaste wife) then how will that appear?
Therefore it is not that our talks should be great, rather our life should be
great. With the desire to improve the society, one must attempt to improve
one's self. We will improve when we give up our selfishness and pride and do
things for the welfare of others.

Question: In the society there are many different kinds of customs and
practices, of them, which ones are good and which ones are not so good - how
are we do decide on that?

Answer: In those customs and practices where one gives up their selfishness and
does things for the welfare of others, that alone is good.

From "Prashnouttermanimaalaa" in Hindi pg 136 by Swami Ramsukhdasji

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It is impossible that on engaging in satsang, that there is no change
whatsoever. If you do satsang, there will definitely be a change. If there is
no change, then you have not received real (asli) satsang. On receiving real
satsang (association of Truth or exalted Souls), change is inevitable (one
cannot remain without being changed).

From "Manav Maatre Kalyaan ke Liye" in Hindi pg 67-68 by Swami Ramsukhdasji.

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