Friday, December 31, 2010

[gita-talk] Re: How do I stop Anger?

 

Dear Swamiji,
With God's grace, I am in self realization stage, can listen a
Brahmnaad and also experience vibrations. Still I get upset very easily with my
family members. I can't stop my anger. How do I stop anger? This is a very big
problem in normal life.

Hope to get an answer.

Thank You,
Anita

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Shree Paramaatmane Nam:
One and only ONE step Shraddhey Swamijee directed to take and there is no impact of anger [whatever be the cause or situation or happenings] on Self. Take the step and be Happy ever.
Step is : Whenever anger appears, don't consider it to be in you (Self)."
Do so and see it never fails you.
So be it.
Humbly,
Sadhak.

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Dear Anita,
Logically speaking,one gets angry,when one desires something very much,but cannot/does not get it...
Thus it seems that the best way is just not to want it...!
Very simply said,by many, but most found it extremely difficult to follow...perhaps this theory was the origin of the philosophy of Tyaaga ?
I confess,I have not been able to succeed at this...and I do get angry,but am able to reduce,considerably,the number of such occasions...
Yogesh Lajmi.

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Dear Anita

As per Gita,Verse 21 of 16th Chapter,Kama(Desires),Krodha (Anger)and Lobha (Greed) are the 3 gates of Hell.
As you get angry,you enter Hell-no doubt about that.Where is the possibility of self realization in Hell.

You are living in grand illusion regarding having self realization , Brahmnaad and vibration.
If you are getting upset and angry easily ,that too with your family members ,that means :-
1)You have strong ego meaning you are better and superior than others,whereas every one is
equal.God resides in everyone.
2)You have strong judgement that means you are right and others are wrong.It is not so-everyone is right
in their own way.
3)You have strong attachment and want to force your views on others.You do not want to allow others freedom
to be they want to be.
God has allowed us freedom to choose whatever we want to choose and you also have to allow others freedom.

The above 3 are major reasons for anger and upset in you as well as in any other person.The only difference
being your assumption and illusion about self realization ,Brahmnaad and vibration.

As one progresses towards realization ,his anger and upset reduces-there is no other yardstick/measurement.

You need to look closely and examine your upsets and anger and give up the same at earliest.
With best wishes

Ashok Jain

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Dear Geeta Sadhakas, Namaskar,

Dear Anitaji,

I would, humbly, like to ask you a question...Do u get angry with the idols of Deities? Do u get angry with God? Do you get angry with yourself?...I think the answer is ...NO.

May I ask you...why?

The answer is ....because you respect deities, because u respect God...because u respect yourself...

I am very very sorry to say that you do not seem to respect ur family members as much as u should. See yourself in the family members...respect them because they are helping u to exist...I think if u do that, ur anger will be much less...

Secondly, the feeliings in the brain depend on the biochemicals generated in the brain...In your case, the biochemicals responsible for anger are predominent. Probably u have some problems which u r not able to solve or you have some health problems, stomach upset, acidity etc. So try to overcome these problems...also meditate, practice yoga, ....and, the most important...respect ur family members..

Gee Waman
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Sadak Anitha,
Impossible that you are self realized. A little of Anger is enough to remove years of Tapas/penance/loads of Puniya. Upnashids says clearly that a realized one or realizing one never says he is getting realized. there are 2 brains in human. One works with your knowledge and other works totally without your knowledge and stores all cookies/temporary files. The left nervous system goes to the right side brain and vice verse. Many saints lost their attempt to realize by this second brain, due to its release certain signals. Once the signals from the 2nd brain emptied, the solution of a liquid is called Dopomine is released from brain to human body, which acts with occult powers. I cannot tell you this over this site as it may concern your personal problem. I have done deep research, that why saints failed in their attempt, from our own sastras.Your problem relates to the other brain and I can only help you if I am able to contact you.
B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Gita-member,

Couple of ideas:

(1) Find out what "an anger management class" can offer you.
(2) Increase you mental discipline faculty by "thinking of doing something"
and then doing it withing time frame you planed eg, cooking, cleaning,
doing home work, games etc. Make an MS Excel charts to see your
progress.
(3) Learn to feel "content" with what you have. Do not ask or expect more.
(4) When we had angry then we want something badly but we forget that
we probably have not "paid" our dues. Pay your dues before you
get angry next time. Once you pay your "dues", you may not need
to get angry.
(5) Physically, you need to "cut down" your anger and find to ways to smile
instead and accomplish it this way. People around you will respond
quickly to your new experiments.
(6) Anger-give-up should be one of the easiest thing to do. I gave up my anger
with "one decision" and staying with it. I do not smoke or drink and I
feel that it will be very difficult to give up smoking or drinking (alcohol)
in comparison.

Happy New Year 2011.
Notesh Otes

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The one and only answer is JESUS CHRIST, Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God (Philippians 2:6). For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him (John 3: 16-17)
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Sin? Hell?,,,,,no wonder you are angry.....read: Rational Emotive Therapy

it is the things you tell yourself which bring you to anger....Listen and Change the Script.

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Solution to be Rid of Anger

I am telling you a point. Grab hold of this point, become established (fixed)
in it, experience it, and see for yourself. This is useful talk for everyone,
listen carefully. What is faults/vices/sinfulness? It has come in the Gitaji,
"trividham narkasya dvaaram naakashnamaatmanah |
kaamh krodhastathaa lobhastsmaadetattrayam tyajet || (Gita 16/21).

There are three types of sins that will lead to one's downfall. These three are
the gates to hell. Therefore they must be given up. So we think that we get
angry, let us think about how to give up this anger. How to attain victory over
it? Even though we do not want, then too it comes, it comes on suddenly. It
troubles us a lot. How to give that up? We are unable to bare it.

Therefore it is my sincere prayer to all of you that first inquire on whether
you want to give up this anger. On this one bad habit, let us inquire. When
one flaw is entirely given up, then other flaws will also diminish
significantly, and will go away. Therefore let us think about anger. We see
anger in ourselves and in others and others also get angry. Now this anger, how
to get rid of it? Become firm on this point and have a goal. There is no anger
in us, and there is no anger in others. Accept this with a firm conviction. If
I ask you all, whether you are angry right now, you will say not right now.
Therefore anger is not in you, it has come. This is the truth, isn't it? Is
there any doubt about it, if so ask? This is a very beneficial topic. If
someone believes that there is anger in them, they alone get angry. Then why
are you accepting such things? You say that I have become angry many times.
Therefore you are taking the anger from the past, and accumulating it within
yourself. This is a mistake ! You say, for years I have been seeing myself,
there is anger within me. This sentiment, that there is anger in me, that
sentiment itself is preventing you from destroying the anger.

Time and again you get angry, and without anger too you remain on many
occasions. Are you most of the times staying angry or are you free of anger
most of the times? It is my belief that most of you will agree that most of the
time you are free of anger. Only for a short time you become accompanied by
anger. In your entire life has the anger remained continuously for 24 hours?
It is our experience that most of the times we are free of anger. Therefore
there is no anger in us. Anger comes and goes. By saying that there is anger
in us, we are inviting anger. This is the main inertness of anger. Be very
attentive to this point. Therefore there is no anger in us - hold on to this
with a firm conviction.

"I have anger in me," Please give up this point. Considering yourself to be
angry based on past event is pointless. Anger is against one's spiritual
discipline. It is an obstacle to one's spiritual progress. When anger comes, at
that time man's discriminative faculty is destroyed. As soon as anger comes
"krodhaadbhavati sammohah sammohaatsmartivibhramah,
smritibhramsaad buddhinaaso buddhinaasatpranasyati" (Gita 2/63)!

Your memory is destroyed! I am God's; I do His worship and devotion; I
associate with holy company / Truth; I am a spiritual aspirant – all these are
forgotten. When we forget the main purpose of this birth which is to engage in
worship and remembrance and in turn to attain God, what a major loss is
encountered!

"Sammohaasmritivibrahmah," What Gitaji says is very true. There are two points
-
(1) There is no anger in us and
(2) Anger Destroys, therefore as such we must not get angry.

This desire, anger, greed, attachment, lust, envy, conflict and all the other
flaws that exist; they do not exist. Understand them to be not permanent, they
come and go. Inquire on their nature. They do not have an independent
existence. Understand this third point. How is there no anger in us? Then see
– do you get angry with everyone? Do you get angry at all times? Does the
anger remain at all times? Is there nothing else in me besides anger? See! I
have received these points that are share, from great saints and great souls.
You will definitely be benefited by them. That is the truth. You do it and see
for yourself.

It is said that - "Ishvar ansh jeev avinashi chetan amal sahaj sukh raashi" We
never get destroyed, therefore we have to detach from the flaws. "Amal," -
there are no flaws in us. Have faith in Goswamiji's words. Lord's words say
"Mamaivaansho jeevaloke", if it is in the father, than it will be in the son!
There is no flaw in God. "Krodhopi shatru prathamah naraanaam dehasthito
dehvinaashnaai." There is great loss, destruction from anger, for you as well
as the other. "Namostute krodhdevaay swaashraya jwaaline visham," O' god of
anger, I bow to you. Wherever you come, first you burn off that place. How
ungrateful! Others you burn later on, first it burns you. "Jis haandi mein
khaave usi ko phode." The plates you eat in, you break the same plates. So
vicious! That wood in which there is fire, that itself you burn. Therefore
Brother, you must leave this anger! First it burns us and then the other, like
fire. Anger even burns blood, it destroys it.

See, there is a very good point. When anger comes understand that it is not in
us, then where did it come from? Then there was some tendencies from the past
therefore it has come, but now it is gone. It has not come, just some
impressions of the past were there on the mind-intellect, but it is gone now.
Do not consider it to have come, know it as it is on its way out. Just like a
dirty pipe when cleaned smells awful. As such it is not the bad smell that is
coming, with cleaning the odor is going away. Gentlemen you will observe that
you get angry less frequently, doe not remain for long period, if far less
forceful than before. This is the experience that all should experience. From
this it is proven that anger is not coming, rather it is on its way out. In
the present everyone is flawless.

Ram Ram

From lecture in hindi on "Krodh Naash kaa upaaya" on Feb 04, 1996 at 3 p.m. by
Swami Ramsukhdasji

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[gita-talk] Re: How does God Liberate Us, in midst of these Conflicting Statements?

 

Namaskar,

I am stuck and I can not seem to reconcile the meaning of these shlokas:

5-15:

5.15 The Lord takes neither the demerit nor even the merit of any; knowledge is
enveloped by ignorance, thereby beings are deluded.

5-29

5.29 He who knows Me as the enjoyer of sacrifices and austerities, the great
Lord of all the worlds and the friend of all beings, attains to peace.

9-24

9.24 (For) I alone am the enjoyer and also the Lord of all sacrifices; but they
do not know Me in essence (in reality), and hence they fall (return to this
mortal world).

18-66

18.66 Abandoning all duties, take refuge in Me alone: I will liberate thee from
all sins; grieve not.

How does God liberate you if he doesn't partake the good deeds but accepts
sacrifices and austerities; doesn't accept sin but promises to liberate from
Sins.

Hare Krishna

PM
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Shree Paramaatmane Nam:
Greatest delusion is to consider Self will become liberated. [Shraddhey Swami Ramsukhdasjee said, "Liberation doesn't happen. Liberation IS (already Self was, is and will remain liberated]. Page 95 Maanavmaatrake Kalyanke Liye - Apnemen bandhankee maanyataa karanepar bhee vaastavmen ham mukta hee hain.
So be it.
Humbly,
sadhak.

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Dear Sadaks,

Ques: 5.15 The Lord takes neither the demerit nor even the merit of any; knowledge is enveloped by ignorance, thereby beings are deluded.
Ans: When Cloud move sun appears. When light made- darkness dispels. So when Ignorance goes when one goes into Sat Sangh/Guru Kurpa/God blessing/good deeds/elders blessing/by doing Nava Rasa Bakthi (Prahalad said)

QUES: 5.29 He who knows Me as the enjoyer of sacrifices and austerities, the great Lord of all the worlds and the friend of all beings, attains to peace.
Ans: Once you realize you are NOT Kartha, peace comes followed by bliss.

QUES:9.24 (For) I alone am the enjoyer and also the Lord of all sacrifices; but they do not know Me in essence (in reality), and hence they fall (return to this mortal world).
ANS: Presuming you are the doer, you fall.

QUES:18.66 Abandoning all duties, take refuge in Me alone: I will liberate thee from all sins; grieve not.

ANS: Bagavan says to Arjuna to do duties, but surrender the fruits to HIM. Means: If you cry on failure or celebrate on success, you become the doer. The all bad/good deeds comes to your account as you the doer.


IF SADAKS WANTS DETAILS PLEASE ASK

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Gita-member,

Once you "transform your thoughts" from physical-thoughts
to non-physical-thoughts (divine/God) your understanding
of Bhagwat-Gita will change. On the physical plane, all religions
including Hinduism and Bhagwat Gita are full of "confusions"
and "contradictions". You can not read these materials and "clear"
your mind. You need to approach this problem from a
different angle, as I have laid out here earlier. For example,
if you are in desert of Sahara then you can not get out of it
by going round and round in the desert. You have come up
with a "new idea" like looking at your maps and studying
the travels of sun, moon and your GPS.

Reading Bhgwat-gita like a parrot will not get you any where.
You need to work on your thoughts and Bhagwat Gita talks
about it: (consciousness, devotion and transcendental). These
three (and not entire Gita) words are your vehicle which will
give you understanding and that is what I have laid out for
you earlier.

Happy New Year 2011.

Notesh Otes
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It means Be One................there is no other.............Liberation is knowing ourself and being one.........
beyond all kinds of dualities....duties and rights, good and bad, sin and goodies...

It is about Being The One Divine.....about rising above the worldly illusions.....
Sushil Jain

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You have to bear the pain of contradictions to see the Truth.
You are ALONE in understanding the Truth.
Y V Chawla

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Thursday, December 30, 2010

[gita-talk] How do I stop Anger?

 

Dear Swamiji,
With God's grace, I am in self realization stage, can listen a Brahmnaad and also experience vibrations. Still I get upset very easily with my family members. I can't stop my anger. How do I stop anger? This is a very big problem in normal life.

Hope to get an answer.

Thank You,
Anita

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Solution to be Rid of Anger

I am telling you a point. Grab hold of this point, become established (fixed) in it, experience it, and see for yourself. This is useful talk for everyone, listen carefully. What is faults/vices/sinfulness? It has come in the Gitaji,
"trividham narkasya dvaaram naakashnamaatmanah |
kaamh krodhastathaa lobhastsmaadetattrayam tyajet || (Gita 16/21).

There are three types of sins that will lead to one's downfall. These three are the gates to hell. Therefore they must be given up. So we think that we get angry, let us think about how to give up this anger. How to attain victory over it? Even though we do not want, then too it comes, it comes on suddenly. It troubles us a lot. How to give that up? We are unable to bare it.

Therefore it is my sincere prayer to all of you that first inquire on whether you want to give up this anger. On this one bad habit, let us inquire. When one flaw is entirely given up, then other flaws will also diminish significantly, and will go away. Therefore let us think about anger. We see anger in ourselves and in others and others also get angry. Now this anger, how to get rid of it? Become firm on this point and have a goal. There is no anger in us, and there is no anger in others. Accept this with a firm conviction. If I ask you all, whether you are angry right now, you will say not right now. Therefore anger is not in you, it has come. This is the truth, isn't it? Is there any doubt about it, if so ask? This is a very beneficial topic. If someone believes that there is anger in them, they alone get angry. Then why are you accepting such things? You say that I have become angry many times. Therefore you are taking the anger from the past, and accumulating it within yourself. This is a mistake ! You say, for years I have been seeing myself, there is anger within me. This sentiment, that there is anger in me, that sentiment itself is preventing you from destroying the anger.

Time and again you get angry, and without anger too you remain on many occasions. Are you most of the times staying angry or are you free of anger most of the times? It is my belief that most of you will agree that most of the time you are free of anger. Only for a short time you become accompanied by anger. In your entire life has the anger remained continuously for 24 hours? It is our experience that most of the times we are free of anger. Therefore there is no anger in us. Anger comes and goes. By saying that there is anger in us, we are inviting anger. This is the main inertness of anger. Be very attentive to this point. Therefore there is no anger in us - hold on to this with a firm conviction.

"I have anger in me," Please give up this point. Considering yourself to be angry based on past event is pointless. Anger is against one's spiritual discipline. It is an obstacle to one's spiritual progress. When anger comes, at that time man's discriminative faculty is destroyed. As soon as anger comes "krodhaadbhavati sammohah sammohaatsmartivibhramah,
smritibhramsaad buddhinaaso buddhinaasatpranasyati" (Gita 2/63)!

Your memory is destroyed! I am God's; I do His worship and devotion; I associate with holy company / Truth; I am a spiritual aspirant – all these are forgotten. When we forget the main purpose of this birth which is to engage in worship and remembrance and in turn to attain God, what a major loss is encountered!

"Sammohaasmritivibrahmah," What Gitaji says is very true. There are two points -
(1) There is no anger in us and
(2) Anger Destroys, therefore as such we must not get angry.

This desire, anger, greed, attachment, lust, envy, conflict and all the other flaws that exist; they do not exist. Understand them to be not permanent, they come and go. Inquire on their nature. They do not have an independent existence. Understand this third point. How is there no anger in us? Then see – do you get angry with everyone? Do you get angry at all times? Does the anger remain at all times? Is there nothing else in me besides anger? See! I have received these points that are share, from great saints and great souls. You will definitely be benefited by them. That is the truth. You do it and see for yourself.

It is said that - "Ishvar ansh jeev avinashi chetan amal sahaj sukh raashi" We never get destroyed, therefore we have to detach from the flaws. "Amal," - there are no flaws in us. Have faith in Goswamiji's words. Lord's words say "Mamaivaansho jeevaloke", if it is in the father, than it will be in the son! There is no flaw in God. "Krodhopi shatru prathamah naraanaam dehasthito dehvinaashnaai." There is great loss, destruction from anger, for you as well as the other. "Namostute krodhdevaay swaashraya jwaaline visham," O' god of anger, I bow to you. Wherever you come, first you burn off that place. How ungrateful! Others you burn later on, first it burns you. "Jis haandi mein khaave usi ko phode." The plates you eat in, you break the same plates. So vicious! That wood in which there is fire, that itself you burn. Therefore Brother, you must leave this anger! First it burns us and then the other, like fire. Anger even burns blood, it destroys it.

See, there is a very good point. When anger comes understand that it is not in us, then where did it come from? Then there was some tendencies from the past therefore it has come, but now it is gone. It has not come, just some impressions of the past were there on the mind-intellect, but it is gone now. Do not consider it to have come, know it as it is on its way out. Just like a dirty pipe when cleaned smells awful. As such it is not the bad smell that is coming, with cleaning the odor is going away. Gentlemen you will observe that you get angry less frequently, doe not remain for long period, if far less forceful than before. This is the experience that all should experience. From this it is proven that anger is not coming, rather it is on its way out. In the present everyone is flawless.

Ram Ram

From lecture in hindi on "Krodh Naash kaa upaaya" on Feb 04, 1996 at 3 p.m. by Swami Ramsukhdasji

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[gita-talk] Re: The Bhagavad Gita Daily - Chapter 6-13

 


Shree Hari

|| Ram Ram ||

6-13

samam kaya-shiro-greevam, dhaarayann achalam sthirah
samprekshya naasikaagram svam, dishas chaanavalokayan ||13||

Meaning

Let him firmly hold body, head and neck straight and steady and fix the gaze at the tip of his nose, without looking in other directions. 13

From "Gita Prabodhani" in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji

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[gita-talk] How does God Liberate Us, in midst of these Conflicting Statements?

 

Namaskar,

I am stuck and I can not seem to reconcile the meaning of these shlokas:

5-15:

5.15 The Lord takes neither the demerit nor even the merit of any; knowledge is enveloped by ignorance, thereby beings are deluded.

5-29

5.29 He who knows Me as the enjoyer of sacrifices and austerities, the great Lord of all the worlds and the friend of all beings, attains to peace.

9-24

9.24 (For) I alone am the enjoyer and also the Lord of all sacrifices; but they do not know Me in essence (in reality), and hence they fall (return to this mortal world).

18-66

18.66 Abandoning all duties, take refuge in Me alone: I will liberate thee from all sins; grieve not.

How does God liberate you if he doesn't partake the good deeds but accepts sacrifices and austerities; doesn't accept sin but promises to liberate from Sins.

Hare Krishna

PM
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Tuesday, December 28, 2010

[gita-talk] Re: India, Can there be Hope and Opportunity to Dream for All ? Insights - Gita !

 

Shree Hari Ram Ram

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Vasudeva Sarvam

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So be it,
Most Humbly,
Sadhak

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Namaste

Venkat ! Your eye is set on negativities, basically. Please look at positive aspects. What you have stated regarding India is prevalent in every caste, creed, culture and country. Better look at positives.

Om Namo Bhagwate Vaasudevaay...!

Jayant M
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First of all, it is not Tryest, but Tryst with Destiny.

We have to define these words and the implied meaning. It only means arrival of its own independence, to meet with our own historical independence from yolks of foreign control or domination. It did not mean anything else. How we govern thereafter, was totally up to us.

In the initial years, the rebels governed and not the professional governors of administration. Then there was the Babu-raj, with licensing and lots of bribes. The corruption has continued in one form or another, and we need to change the entire pattern of our thinking.

Can the children of coolies dream ? Why not ? Let them get free schooling and if they go to school and not work in their father's business ( whatever it is, whether goldsmith or begging ), they can. But these children bring money home. Who will provide that ?

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Durgesh Mankikar,MD
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Dear friends,

Sub:Tryest with Destiny

When I passed out my BE with gold medal in 1973 ,I was given two books and a
testament.Somewhere in them,it was mentioned “Tryest With Destiny” during
independence day.In 2009,after 36 years,I feel that it is not " Tryest With
Destiny" but "Tryest With Family Rule".Family rule at all levels i.e.from
village to nation.This is the Institutional Culture that INDIA has invented
after Independence.Well,this may not be good for democratic INDIA whose
constitution promises each citizen an opportunity "to dream".

Can the CHILDREN of half naked coolies,the harijans,the "adivasies" (backward
people) in the remote villages afford "to dream"? Is there a "HOPE" for them?
What is the common bondage for the citizens of INDIA? Is just a culture
dominated by a few? or what?

Without addressing this issue properly,INDIA travelled for 62 years with some
pockets of good growth and a vast underdevelopment and undevelopment resulting
in social turbulences and large scale violence we are witnessing today.

Can INDIA Inc. address this issue wholeheartedly to avoid immediate violence
and probable future worst bloodshed.

ANY INSIGHTS FROM GITA, SCRIPTURES ?

Regards

C.Venkataramanaiah BE

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The Gita does have a solution, if we are preapred to spread it around. Try
educating the youth of today in schools on the message of Gita. Start a Movement
for REjuvenation of India. With the present materialism and corruption and lack
of civic sense, there is no salvation.

We can discuss Gita for centuries and unless its teachings are really learnt and
spread there is no solution.

Vijendran

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Hari SharaNam,

Instead of me passing any advice/comment about resolving such issues of India
Inc. or any other Inc., I would like to refer to the eternal divine strategy
stated by the CEO of Word Inc. which has capability to solve all the issues at
every level starting from an individual to a family to a community to a state to
a nation to the world. The success of any individual, family, team, community,
company, country can be measured by the implementation of this strategy. This
strategy can be followed/implemented by every one whether he/she is a beggar or
ruler , student or teacher, young or old, monk or household , man or woman,
doctor or engineer, religious or non-religious etc.... Its effect can be tested
by implementing it even for a month.

So, what is that strategy?

The Creator, in beginning of the creation, stated the strategy gey called
"YAGYA" and told his subjects to follow it towards benefits of all and in attain
the supreme reward (SAHAYAGYAA PRAJAA SRISTVAA PUROVAACH PRAJAAPATI... GitaJi -
3/10).

YAGYA is "selfless duty/service towards the benefits of all". It has two parts
"selflessness" and "service". The "selflessness" is achieved by the internal
efforts while the "duty/service/dharma" is the external effort which depends
upon the environments & instruments/resources. Both the parts are complementary
to each other ; help each other to attain their perfections and in the end they
become the same.

Bhagvaan Shri Krishna has mentioned many types of YAGYAs (GitaJi : 4/24-30;
4/33; 10/25) to bring the ultimate perfection in the individuals as well as a
perfect environment/culture/SANSKRRITI which can help the future generations to
attain the same without much effort.

Some types of YAGYA (i.e. Saadhanaa/disciplines/approaches/methods ) e.g. Gyaan
Yog, Dhyaan Yog, etc...), primarily focus on "selflessness"; some other types
(e.g. Karma Yog) pimarily focus on the other half (i.e. service towards benefits
of all) while other type (e.g. Bhakti Yog) lets the individuals to surrender to
the Supreme creator to attain the "selflessness" and serve the Supreme in the
form of all.

Not only that, the Supreme bliss always lives in the YAGYA (BRAHM NITYAM YAGYE
PRATISHTHITAM -GitaJi 3/15); Supreme is the master as well as the recipient of
YAGYA (AHAM HI SARVA YAGYAANAAM BHOKTA CHA PRABHU REV CHA -GitaJi 9/25) and
Supreme is the YAGYA living in every individuals (ADHIYAGO AHAM EVA ATRA ..
GitaJi 8/5). Following the YAGYA has only meaning of human life, otherwise it is
just a waste of time/life (GitaJi -3/9; GitaJi 3/16; GitaJi -4/31).

May all be blessed!
Niteesh Dubey
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Shree Hari Ram Ram
Yes! There is geniune hope for all beings, all of mankind through Gita. Gita
clearly states at the heart of all problems, all issues is DESIRES. All this
greed, corruption, violence that is seen is off-shoot of DESIRE. Gita says -
"Sacrifice Desires," so what is this desire ? Swamiji defines is in a amazing
crisp manner - "What my mind wants, should happen" that is desire. Wanting
others to operate according to the way I say or wanting things to happen
according to the way my mind wants. Wanting others to do what my mind wishes,
that is desire.

Let us give this up, then we will be in peace and everyone around will be at
peace. We can only do what is within our powers to do. This is something we
can certainly do. It is difficult to address every half naked coolie, harijan,
corrupt politician and tackle each of those that are dominating the masses. But
we ourselves can give up desires that Gita/Swamiji talks about. It can build a
critical mass among sadhaks working towards the common bondage that you speak
off, leading to hope of freedom, of salvation, and upliftment of all of mankind.
Meera Das, Ram Ram

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You did your BE in 1973 and with great success earning the gold medal in 1973. I
passed by Masters in 1973 with a Silver medal. We were brought up till then in a
dream state with Euphoria of being an Independent country and never examined the
strength of character and intellectual capability of our leaders who were born
slves in British India. Many of them remained slave to the mentality of slvery,
copying the erstwhile British masters (remember the Sara Banu Dilip Kumar
starrer movie "Sagina Mahato and the theme song 'Maine aab to Sahab Bon giya"
!!!).
Independence from foreign rule did not automatically mean the rule of high
quality intellect and honest leadership to guide and lift the Nation to high
standards of morality, justice, foresigt and execution of policies and plans
that can spread economic prosperity (with associated benefits of adequacy of
food, minimum shelter, decent education and minium health care). In the absence
of inadequate number of leaders with real vision and foresight (not just
day-dreaming and making false promises to the people), strong intellectual
capabilty and Rama-like ability to endure personal sacrifices when in the
official position of leadership, a nation can get what it has got. We can lament
that our generation has belied the future generation. But that is the cause and
effect destiny: born slaves could not have delivered more than generating
successive generations of trained slaves adept at being corrupt, selfish,
chamchas of the powerful and native oppressors and begging favours from the
State/ Government. Trees do not turn into black diamond in a short period.
Freed nations do not become competent to become economically strong within a few
decades. The Gunas inherited from the centuries of slavery to foreign rulers are
not congenial to high intellect, high integrity, hard work, etc. Mayve the
truely independent generation of Indians with apprpriate Gunas will take some
more decades to born. He has given us the eternal message that He will come to
save the honest, destroy the evil and restore dharma at the appropriate time of
the Great Crisis. We can only be optimistic that He will soon come. Our bodies
may preish by then but we will be part of Him at the level of Soul or Atman.
And, till we live let us do our duty as we percive without being attached to the
consequences of our action. Whatever has happened in the last 60 years and will
happen in the next 60 years are all in accordance with the eternal principles
ennuciated in Gita. Destiny is not what we desire for the future but that what
comes out of our actions of the past - actins that are just the result of the
forces of our Gunas operating through our egos, intellect and bodies - all under
the influence of illusuion or Maya. Our existence is beyond all these and our
Atman is free of desires, disappointment and pride - let's live that existence.
India and Indians are just a passing phase in our infinite real existence.
Basudeb Sen

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aum

One of your Best ...... Yudh Vir Chawla jeeo ......
narinder bhandari

AUM

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IT HAS TO BE DONE AT GOVT. LEVEL---- ELECT THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO RULE HINDUUSTHAAN

bhagavaandaas tyaagi

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And put dharmi and desh premi leaders in positions of power in all fields.
Each such leader need to train at least ten such leaders before he/she dies.
Suresh Vyas
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There is nothing more hopeless in our country than the conduct of people who are
at the helm of affairs.Since from Ravana,Mahabharata and through Prithvi Raj
Chouhan who abducted daughter of King Jaichand to uptil current times DGP Rathor
,immorality and corruption rules the politicians, administrators and their
henchmen.For the decent there is struggle or endurance.In our land of Gods
people live as downtrodden because of inhumanity exerci:sed by irresponsible
persons at responsible positions.Let the decent unite,then,no evil shall be able
to stand just like mahabharata.

Subhash Tiwari

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Sir,
Human mind is programmed. It thrives on the comfort of complaining, blaming,
feeling guilty. The dropping
of this comfort is spirituality.Now whatever you do is complete, it affects the
entire Universe. Spirituality does not demand that others should do the right
things. We are under the illusion as if there is disorder and we are to create
order.
The System of the Universe is movement from order to order. Seeing this, action
has a different meaning. You begin to participate in the scheme of the Universe
instead of complaining, blaming, feeling guilty.
Mystery starts unfolding.
Y V Chawla
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Dear Sadhakas,

Hare krishna.
This is in response to a question from a Sadhaka regarding Hope.
There is Hope for everyone. The very purpose of this birth is for God
realization but unfortunately we spend very little time in that pursuit because
of our attachment to Materialism.
Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita,
" Trividham narakasyedam,
Dwaram nasanam atmanah,
Kamah krodhas tatha lobhah,
Tasmad etat trayam tyajet. "
(Gitaji 16, 21)
Which means,
'There are three gates leading to hell , lust, anger and greed. We should give
them up since they lead to the degradation of the soul. '
Once we learn to see the Lord in everyone and everyone in the Lord, then we
treat everybody with love and respect. Then there will not be any violence.
Pure devotional service with love towards everyone is the essence of Bhagavad
Gita.
Once we learn to treat fellow human beings as our brothers and sisters, then
there will be peace, hope and opportunity for everyone.
Let us get into devotional service, advance spiritually.
Let us chant the Holy Names, Be Happy and Peaceful.
Thank You.
Hare Krishna.
Prasad.A.Iragavarapu, M.D

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Dear Sadaks,
Children in Africa and some places across Globe are worst compared to Indian
children. Within India children in Bihar are worst than children elsewhere. But
children in some countries are enjoying excellent facilities, comforts and has
full freedom even to the extent of parents non interference. All is theory of
Karma. A dog can enjoy total comforts and vehicle comfort where as street dog
suffers in pain and hunger. But all these everyone knows and your bringing
importance does not change. Reason: How many of us understand this sufferings in
our mind and take decision to become like Buddha seeking truth? Not one person
among millions who know this. NOT EVEN ME. One who after seeing could get at
least fed up and looses all desires on earth alone gets salvation says Geetha.
B.Sathyanarayan

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This is the thing that has been uppermost in the minds of all educated Indians.
Freedom is only for the VIPs, their chamchas and families to loot the country.
Latest example: the Commonwealth Games. Where the culture of dynastic rule and
sycophancy prevails, equal opportunity is a myth. That is why 1/3rd. of the
country is under armed revolt. The police are perceived as the private armies of
the mafias who rule us. Of course the Gita too mentions such a situation in
which persons of insatiable greed are mentioned as getting short shrift sooner
than later. Hari Shanker Deo

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Vasudeva Sarvam

kyaa aapka abhipraay Gitaki sikhaavaniyon per "nukkad naatak" se hai?
savinay,
sadhak

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[gita-talk] Re: Does God Need Money and Valuables?

 

SHREE HARI RAM RAM
SADHAKS, THIS BRINGS CLOSURE TO THIS TOPIC. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION. GITA TALK MODERATORS, RAM RAM

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Dear Friends,

Please clarify my below doubt:

1) Why people are giving money or valuables to God. Is God is in need of money
or
valuables for giving His blessings?

2) Why these type of people giving money or valuables to God eventhough his
fellow being is living without food and not helping them.

3) Money and valuables are offering by unrighteous people to fulfill their
desire
by the God / Deity and they are getting their rewards also. What is this?

So, live according to the will and donate to religious places as per ones
wishes
and commitment to the particular God / deity. Is it right?

Regards,
One of your friends
Varghese Mathew
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Dear Sadaks,
Suppose you are presented with Rs1/= whereas you are Multimillionaire. How will be your attraction to it? Same one Rs1/= was presented to you with tears in eyes, with utmost humbleness, with blessings, you will safely keep that Rs1/= in safe place. Here the difference is NOT Rs1/=. You know the answer. So is also with GOD. Christ blessed the man who gave 1 silver coin and least cared who gave 100 silver coin- Ref Parables. Sri Vishnu blessed the poor man who gave Lotus flower, but refused to accept golden lotus flowers of a king. There are 100 of stories in our Puranas, scripts, Bible, Quran. A Sadak asking simply a question like without atleast reading some scripts, we are pouring in answers, due to Grace of God or as pass time or just to answer. Can Sadaks ask question that will ignite peace in Mind, lead to Sadana, eventually to liberate?
B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear All,
God does not need money, but man needs to give money. Man uses all means and puts full efforts to collect materialistic things, considering these to be all important. He thinks these to be solution for all happiness and lasting solution to his problems. in the process of collection of materialistic item man indulges in many unethical and illegal acts. He develops guilt and thinks by giving bribe to god he can compensate for and get rid of his guilt.
Anil Mukhi
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Although it doesnot make sense that God needs valuables and money,yet religious shrines,institutions and other humantarian works do need money to operate and maintain their services.It is in the name of God that such contributions/subscriptions materalize.I do feel that God expressed thru idols, religious books and discourses does monitor such activities and reciprocates mostly.True devoution doesnot require it of HIM.
subhashchander tewari

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It is one thing to "lecture on these virtues", but an entirely different thing to follow this oneself... !
HONEST INTROSPECTION DAILY IS NEEDED ! !
Wising you all,the very best,
Yogesh Lajmi.
GOOD LUCK !

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Straight answer to this question is people do things as per their understanding
of life and their understanding of what they want.
No one should have a problem with unless one is getting directly or indirectly
affected adversely.....

Regarding why others are not helping poor people...only paying to temples, Gods,
whether God needs money etc., one needs to go deeper into the wisdom of life,
know who we are, what exactly we want, how can we get that, who is poor, who is
rich, who is the other, how the world is running etc....

This is more important than focusing on why others are doing this and not doing
that......
All questions may dissolve /be answered if one proceeds systematically and
patiently on knowing the wisdom of life....

Sushil Jain

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Dear Verghese,

1) Why people are giving money or valuables to God. Is God is in need of money
or valuables for giving His blessings?

No, He is not. God resides in everyone. All living entities are His manifestion.
So, we should use money etc in service of living entities which are His
manifestion.
Even other living entities don't need anything from us. God maintains and
protects everyone. We need to serve others for our own purification.

2) Why these type of people giving money or valuables to God even though his
fellow being is living without food and not helping them.

Honestly speaking, because they are fools. They see God in temple but they don't
see God in fellow beings. Look are Bhagavatam verses below.

3) Money and valuables are offering by unrighteous people to fulfill their
desire by the God / Deity and they are getting their rewards also. What is this?

God does not fulfill our unrighteous desires. God protects and maintains
everyone without material discrimination.
Please refer to Bhagavatam verses below to understand that God does not fulfill
inimical desires.

It is very important to serve others seeing them as part of God. Here are few
verses from Bhagavatam:

SB 3.29.21: I am present n every living entity as the Supersoul. If someone
neglects or disregards that Supersoul everywhere and engages himself in the
worship of the Deity in the temple, that is simply imitation.

SB 3.29.22: One who worships the Deity of Godhead in the temples but does not
know that the Supreme Lord, as Paramātmā, is situated in every living
entity’s heart, must be in ignorance and is compared to one who offers
oblations into ashes.

SB 3.29.23: One who offers Me respect but is envious of the bodies of others and
is therefore a separatist never attains peace of mind, because of his inimical
behavior towards other living entities.

SB 3.29.24: My dear Mother, even if he worships with proper rituals and
paraphernalia, a person who is ignorant of My presence in all living entities
never pleases Me by the worship of My Deities in the temple.

SB 3.29.25: Performing his prescribed duties, one should worship the Deity of
the Supreme Personality of Godhead until one realizes My presence in his own
heart and in the hearts of other living entities as well.

I hope this helps.

Regards,
GM
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Namskaram
Dear friends,

When we are represented only by souls as per advita philosophy none of us can
own even a small particle of dust. When that is the case where is the question
of offering that people make to the GOD or making any donation to the needy
people.
It is to gain some mental peace from problems people resort to such acts of
making some offerings in the place of worship.
Our religious Guru's should educate our people on this so that they may desist
from doing these things.

S.Vaidyanathan

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1) Why people are giving money or valuables to God. Is God is in need of
money
or valuables for giving His blessings? Answer: Some people think that by
doing so,
God will be pleased and grant them corresponding boons or blessings to
satisfy their desires, some others love God and wants to share their wealth
with the beloved and again some people do this to show off to others who
also believe in the same God. But God does not require anything because God
is the real owners of all things in the Universe.
The scripures may suggest that one must give everything possible to God to
seek His blessings: this suggestion is really to remind oneself that no one
really owns or earns anything and everything belongs to God. The repeated
actions of giving to God is only a ritual through which people are supposed
to realize that they have really nothing to God and recognize that what they
have is only because of the grace of God. Unfortunately, most people
practice such offering to God but does not get the realization for which the
ritual was instituted.
2) Why these type of people giving money or valuables to God eventhough his
fellow being is living without food and not helping them.: Answer: The
explanation is already given above. The additional point to be mentioned
that wrong notions about the scripture recommended offering to God rituals
has led to this kind of behaviour. Even your question itself is a wrong
interpretation of the act of offering. The fundamental pint to be
understood that by offering any thing to God you cannot please God, nor can
you please God by offering help to people going without food. You cannot do
achieve anything by giving valuables to God or giving food to those who are
hungry. Both are acts of rituals to make your realise that whatever is there
in the Universe including idols, deities, hunger, hungry people, valuables
and food are all the creation of God who is the real owner of all this and
the only Giver. When a person realises that one does not have to think about
what he is doing: God will aotomatically arrange food for those whom He
desires to feed either directly through you or some other devotee or by
ensuring that the valuables you offer to him help feed some one some where.
Your question therefore does not really arise.
3) Money and valuables are offering by unrighteous people to fulfill their
desire by the God / Deity and they are getting their rewards also. What is
this? Answer: This is what happens in accordance with the God's design. But
your linking unrighteous people getting rewarded by God because of their
offering valuables to God is a childish belief. It has no rational. The
philosophical basis of Sanatana Hindu Dharma has not ever said that
unrighteous people will offer valuables to God and get rewarded. What our
religion says is only this: if by offering valuables or any other thing to
God or the needy in the World, one is able to recognise that it is God who
has created those valuables and food in the first place, you are really not
the owner of anything and therefore cannot give anything to anyone. Any one
who gets to this realization is automatiocally rewarded with this
realisation based life. There is nothing else.

4. So, live according to the will and donate to religious places as per ones
wishes and commitment to the particular God / deity. Is it right? Answer: It
is all right if you can do this to remind yourself that you own nothing and
God is the real owner and giver of all things. It is all alright even if
you do not get to this realisation: you happen to do this because God wants
you to do this. You have no choice except to witness what you think you are
doing but actually it is God who is getting things done by you. In God's
World there is nothing wrong: Creation. maintenance and destruction are all
Hid design. So is all that different things people do. There is no reason for
one to worry about what is right or what is wrong, except that God makes you
ask this question and makes me give an answer, however, useless.

Basudeb Sen

Namaste

Whoever with devotion offers Me a leaf, a flower, a fruit, or water, that I
acceptâ€"the devout gift of the pure-minded.

Whatever thou doest, whatever thou eatest, whatever thou offerest in sacrifice,
whatever thou givest away, whatever austerity thou practisest, O son of Kunti,
do that as an offering unto Me.

GITA 9:26, 27

Whoever offers Bhagavan even the most easily obtainable articles such as a
flower, a fruit, some water or even a leaf, He will accept if these are offered
with bhakti or exclusive loving devotion. The word prayatmatmanah means a
devoted, pure minded and pure hearted being. Pure in mind, pure in heart
consists of an attitude and mentality of dedicating everything they offer to
Him, exclusively with only motives of pure devotion and love which is the
topmost ambition and goal of the spiritually enlightened. Thus such humble
offerings as water or even a simple leaf are given with love by such persons.

The Moksa Dharma states: Bhagavan looks at such offerings as being so rare and
precious that they are comparable to the most cherished possession of desired
expectations in a longing heart.

In Mahabharata, Santi-parva, chapter CLXXI, verse LXIII it states: Whatever acts
are consecrated to the Supreme Lord with exclusive single focused devotion, the
Supreme Lord Himself accepts them upon His head. (Ramanuja)

Bhagavan tells us that we should offer everything we do, all actions including
our thoughts should be performed with the heartfelt intention that they are a
humble offering to Him.
In essence, He tells us to live your life as an offering to Him. One way of
doing that is taking all that gold, valuable, money that you want to offer to
Bhagavan and give food, shelter, and comfort to those who are genuinely in need.

Ram Ram
Deosaran Bisnath

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Dear Verghese,

God is in everyone. The real service to god is to serve people around
us seeing them as part of God.

God does not need money. But we supposed to use objects ( money )
belonging to God in service of God i.e. Service of living entities.

Regards,
A bhakta

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Sir,
I think the question is asked from an angle that is not there.
Money and valuables are offered in the name of God, but these are for the
maintenance of the particular place, temple, ashram or other activities and for
the persons running the temple etc. They do need money and valuables.
Y V Chawla

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Why one should search for a flip side on such matters? That way everything in
this universe has a flip side , after all the world has been made with duality.
What doesnt have a flip side? Why our eye is set on negativities? Now another
argument is "bribing the God"...! Typical are we...you have to find a
fault...now you are finding fault with humans worshipping at
temples/churches/making divine offers....calling it to be a BRIBE to God...!
This is the intellect, we are boasting of possessing. Tomorrow God will be
dubbed as becoming happy by such bribes. We should not let our intellect go
berserk as that...let us apply brakes over it. GOD IS YOUR OWN...you are
returning HONESTLY what belongs to Him and Him only...God becomes pleased
because of a toddler lifting an object from floor and giving to father. A
crawling child lifts a thing and gives to father...father becomes
pleased...though the thing lifted by child as well as the child both are of
father only...! This is BHAVA...this is BELIEF...this is SENTIMENT...let not
bewildered intellects interprete them funnily and stupidly.

Jayant M

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bahiji,

Who can live without money. any religion at some time asks for money in indirect
way we are misguided that hindu god needs it and not cristain. actually itsthe
old wine in new bottle.

yes hindus have to set up establishments which can meet missonaries. but nothing
runs without money. hindus are condemnded for not serving poor. but land scams,
sex scams are happening in every organised religion even in new recognised
religion.

dont get misguided by others from abeggar to CEO every one wants money.

but to come true as religion isneed for hour for sadhaks.

jai shree ram

pande

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The question and doubt of Mr. Varghese Mathew is quite authentic

The reply is as follows:--

God do not need anything. He is Ultimate Supreme and owner of the
entire world

Because we as every individual has Godliness within us due to which
we breathe, we talk, we think, we act,
We do our job, we need to discover the Godliness. But our ego makes
us claim that I am doing this, Iam doing that
Etc etc and prevent us from discovering the Godliness. Ego varies from
person to person.

When we are offering Naivaidya or Money or Flowers to the Lord two
things happen:--

1.The strength of the ego comes down because we are surrendering to
some Supreme Force or God2.Secondly we develop humbleness when we offer
money or whatever good we have to the Lord. ( Again please note that
God do not touch any of these things - Money or Naivaidya which is
again used by us human beings only )
The purpose of offering Fruits, Money, Honey or Flowers to God is a
mark of respect to the Godliness within us and to broaden our mind
to feel God in all the creatures around us. It is a positive trait
to our personality which glows due to such offering. Otherwise
Selfishness will increase more and more in us and ego will strengthen
due to which our mental balance will be lost and we are likely to
fall into the ditch
To save us from all miseries of Life and to live a balanced happy
joyous life, the Great Seers have advised us to adopt the path of
surrender by offering whatever good we have - may be money, may be
flowers, may be food to God and then partake the same as Prasada. Such
offering will be soothing to the mind. This is a good method for
enhancing the good health - physical and mental what is called in
Sanskrit as Ayur, Arogya, Sowkyam

WHOEVER ( HOWEVER BIG OR RICH HE OR SHE IS ) WANTS AYUR, AROGYA
AND SOWKYAM NEEDS TO OFFER TO THE LORD WITH UTMOST SUBMISSION AND
SEEK HIS BLESSINGS

Regards and With humbleness

B.Hariharan
Abudhabi
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Dear Mr.Editor,
That was a classic collection of arguments justifying the
"bribing of God" who we believe is omnipresent,omniscient and what not...IS GOD
POOR ?
Yogesh Lajmi.
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Sure...God needs everything which His child is claiming ownership on. If you
want God, you must renounce everything worldly. You have no ME....you are God.
You have no MINE....only God is yours, nothing/nobody else is yours. I dont
agree that when you have to renounce a thing , where and and how you do, that is
of any importance. You simply renounce. That is it. HE wants you to be SANS of
everything worldly...He wants you to be egoless, desireless, me-ness less,.
mineness less, fearless, hopeless, ....LESS ...LESS...of any
thing/activity/person/body, which is WORLDLY. To surrender WORLDLY RICHES to God
, symbolically sitting also in temples, places of worship, is an ACCEPTED,
Scripture approved mode of high grade renunciation. One MUST focus his/her eye
on renunciation NOT on the mode or place thereof. One who renounces RARELY
thinks as to where and how. Those who hesitate in renouncing or give importance
to the act of renunciation or have an inner ego still of owning such riches ONLY
think in terms of comparing. Renounce....!

Amit Shrivastava

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Look at the flip side----all temples, mosques, churches need money for upkeep.
They raise funds for those mostly through little alms, since there are very few
big donors to such institutions. people also give such bribes to God, in
anticipation of future goodies, and perhaps also in thanx for someone, who got a
promotion, a job or a cure, or a baby.

Durgesh Mankikar,MD

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Charity … in its absolute zenith …

The discussion on this topic reminds me a wonderful episode from Mahabharata.

Even the wise YudhishThira once pats himself "I did!" after the succeful
completion of the Ashvamedha, the greatest of all the sacrifices. Lord KrishNa
smiles in compassion knowing very well how Saattvic YoudhishThira was.

A strange mongoose appears from nowhere – one half of its body had turned
perfectly golden while the other half remained in its not-so-attractive
appearance. It starts rolling frantically all over the field of the sacrifice.
It exclaims to the puzzled king, "I thought you did a great sacrifice! It is not
even close to the previous one I happened to witness!! Look, my other half has
not yet turned golden!!!"

The king immediately realizes his earlier mistake and begs the mongoose to
narrate its previous witness … quite long long ago ... in quite far corner of
the world …

A poor Brahmin's hungry family living off Ooncchha Vritti (collecting food that
has been dropped naturally from the plants) had nothing to eat except a morsel
of food after many foodless days. The father, mother and son were debating who
should rightfully eat it to survive the day – each insisting the others to have
the food! Then they receive a beggar crying with hunger. Without a second
thought, the three part with their food to the hungry visitor. All three
eventually die of hunger with absolutely no trace of regret. The mongoose claims
its half body turned golden when it happened to roll on the spot of this
auspicious event. It tells YudhishThira that it had been told its other half
would turn golden as well … if … it could get an opportunity to witness an event
of similar nature. Obviously, its entire search for such an event had been left
unfulfilled …

The wise YudhishThira immediately falls on the ground saluting the Mongoose for
its great vision and witness. Lord KrishNa smiles again ...

Regards.

Naga Narayana.
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Shree Paramatmane Namah
You have asked -
Why people are giving money or valuables to God?
Money and valuables remain with those people, through whose medium people wish
to have them turned over to God.

Is God is in need of money or valuables for giving His blessings?
Swamiji has said God cannot be attained for anything invaluable. (Manav Maatre
Kalyaan ke liye" pg 5. God does not desire wealth and valuable things, He
simply wants your exclusive love and devotion.

Why these type of people giving money or valuables to God even though his fellow
being is living without food and not helping them?
Because they do not consider serving the non-householders as worship and
adoration of the Lord.

Money and valuables are offering by unrighteous people to fulfill their desire
by the God / Deity and they are getting their rewards also. What is this?
Brother this complicated task people consider as god's divine play, which only
God Himself understands. Man is incapable of understanding God's divine play.
So be it,
Humbly,
Sadhak

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… Does God Need Money and Valuables?

1) Why people are giving money or valuables to God. Is God is in need of money
or valuables for giving His blessings?

One, to support the religious gatherings and the place of such gatherings. Two,
to remind oneself that everything that one is blessed with DOES ACTUALLY BELONG
TO GOD ALONE. Three, the ignorance a human harbors to believe in returns of the
deed from "a god" just like one expects from a fellow being! This is not limited
to any single place or religion or race ... it is true all around the world -
Good intent; ill-practiced reality.

2) Why these type of people giving money or valuables to God eventhough his
fellow being is living without food and not helping them.

You SHOULD NOTE HOW MANY TEMPLES ARE PROVIDING FOOD TO THE HUNGRY AND POOR AS
WELL. Temples were/are the centers of knowledge, education, cultural activities,
artistic expressions, etc. irrespective of the culture we find. On the other
hand, ignorance rejects fellow beings of any use as the all-powerful notion
remains with "a god" ... instigating the mundane to give gifts to temples,
churches, etc. rather than helping fellow beings!

3) Money and valuables are offering by unrighteous people to fulfill their
desire by the God / Deity and they are getting their rewards also. What is this?

This is no different from any other charitable activities … many thugs do
charity only to evade taxes! It is a fact. And, the thugs do very well in a
soceity! Why?? Because, the soceities care them, nurture them and protect
them!!!

As a soceity there are loop holes … but the loop holes are not limited to any
particular soceity or religion … loop holes are common to any human practice
because humans are NOT perfect!!!

But, I wonder ... Why do you link the social practices of limited human
intelligence and wisdom to The God?! God has nothing to do with it! If it all He
has hands in this, it is just like any other happening around the universe - be
it a fissure of an atom in a stellar fire, or births and deaths of an ant or a
cow or a human on the earth, or wonderful rains and bounty of food around, or
famine and distress of life around, or a stellar implosion, or a galctic
explosion or whatever else ...

I consider all these questions to be purely social in nature. The soceity needs
to address it and correct itself. It has always and it will continue to address
its problems as time moves forward ... its self-corrective power is limited to
its knowldege and wisdom just like its individual citizens ... the corrections
WILL definitely progress to the extent its population inherits wisdom and
intelligence.

Respects.

Naga Narayana.
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Hari Om

Yes...most definitely , God needs everything from you, what to talk of merely
valuable things such as gold, diamonds, silver or ornaments or money !! Actually
everything belongs to Him only and not to anyone else. Why only in temples ,the
gold etc lying unexplored say in mines or on ocean floor also belongs to Him
only. In any case, while the self assumed owners of wealth come and go and keep
changing, but these precious metals, wealth, money etc always remain in the
world only . What better place for them could be than at the places of worship
of the Owner of this world ? What better use of money can be than for His
glorification ?

Hence let them remain where they are. What is wrong thinking in terms of making
additions to them? What is wrong thinking in terms of renouncing money with you
on His related festivals, on His temples , on His places of worship and for His
glorification as freely and as frequently as you can ?

What you see in temples or monuments is Gold or Silver or money, which humans
only have contributed for Him. Such offerings represent a type of renunciation
which one can do for his God. It represents belief, shraddha , devotion, worship
of Him by His devotees within the meaning of Scriptures. It represents "arpans"
( divine offerings) made for Him. When festivals, etc take place, the moneys
spent by Jeevas in honour and glorification of their Beloved is representative
of the Jeevas' doing their Yogas for Him as per Scriptures.
It is being done for ages and kalpas and will continue to be done hence forth
also. They will never be extinct.

Actually, the money, the worldly things, the precious possessions etc become
pleased when they are offered this way to their real owner...yes..inspite of
being inert , they become pleased and honourable.

Why don't you look at the glory of Creator Himself , at the belief of His
children and at the continuation of His heritage and custody? Humans are doing
so not from today or yesterday but from ages and eons, from the day 1 ,
literally. They represent the POWER , the Yoga , the ability, the aishwarya of
Divine Himself (BG 9:6 to 10). It represents His presence , glorious presence
and visibility inspite of His direct absence and invisibility. His things are
glorifying Him only. What is wrong with that?

Scriptures permit and encourage you to offer your possessions to Him, people do
that, and world also looks better thereby. Hence there is nothing wrong in
humanity making offers of precious worldly possessions and wealth, money etc in
this way to God.

What to talk of gold, silver etc, His devotees gave away even their bones (Rishi
Dadhichi) and body flesh (King Sib) as offering for the benefit of His first
incarnation (Avataar) viz the world and thereby setting examples of His glory,
His causes, His worship, His Divine properties !!!

Why do you compare offerings to God this way , with say starvation of humans ?
What difference is there if something is offered to Creator instead of to His
Creation, or vice versa? Ultimately it reaches Him only. Why do you presume
those who contribute this way, do not contribute that way or those who spend
that way are better than this way or those contributions always mean reducing
these contributions ? Humanity is never discouraged by any Scripture or by Him
say to feed starving people. All Scriptures encourage that. We find many people
doing that also, many doing that only and many doing both ! So what? There are
uncountable ways of renunciation for His causes and for His world by His
children. What is the issue there? Some one may take an X way, some one may take
Y ! You take the way you like. Are you sure, by not renouncing this way but
renouncing that way will eliminate say starvation from this earth?

You have to renounce,... O Man ...the me-ness and mineness with inert, with
worldly things and activities ! You have to renounce the false sense of
ownership, enjoyment and doership ! You need a beneficiary to renounce . A
Bhakti Yogi offers therefore everything to God say as worship , A Karma Yogi
offers the same to the world say as service and a Jnana Yogi does that in favour
of Prakruti/ Nature !!! All are renouncing !!! None is claiming any ownership of
the same ! Let them do the way they want !

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Dear Friend

Gita does not mention anywhere that God wants/desires /expects anything from
Human Beings.

The why Human being offers money or other material things to God?
Out of ignorance,greed and fear.

God does not want anything from us.

regards

Ashok Jain

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Why are we here? what is the purpose of human life? What is expected of us?

THE PURPOSE OF EVERY LIFE IS TO REACH GOD. WASH OUR KARMA AND
LIVE A CONTROLLED AND POSITIVE LIFE. SHORT OF REACHING GOD, WE
SHOULD LIVE SUCH THAT GOD BLESSING COMES TO US AND THEN NEVER
GO BACK.

WHAT IS EXPECTED OF US IS CONTROL OUR PHYSICAL AND "THINKING"
KARMA. BOTH OF THESE THINGS CAN ACCOMPLISHED BY (1) CLEARING
OUR MINDS OF PHYSICAL THOUGHTS AND REPLACE IT WITH NON-PHYSICAL
THOUGHTS (DIVINE/HIGHER-POWER/GOD). ONCE YOU GET THIS LEVEL
MAKE SURE THAT YOU NEVER GET YOUR OLD MIND BACK.

HARI OM
Deosaran Bisnath

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Dear Sadaks,
1. Ordinary person has to abandon everything to reach God. Then God certainly
does not need anything. This type of person offering money to God is called,
"Kamyartha Baktha" in Geetha. God give long rope that one day he might
understand true nature of Bhraman.
2. God HIMSELF has said in several places, that helping the needy is itself is
as good as offering to HIM. This they do not know and so they dump money in
temple. The rewards are negative in eyes of Dharma.
3. Yes people get rewards for offering in temples. What rewards? Is it to uplift
them from birth/death cycle. No to push them more to become greedy and notorious
with more and more money. The best example is about the Man called Lazerous in
Bible. There are many instances a flower offered to God had more value rather
than whole riches. Now from Geetha, "Patram, Pushpam, Palam, Thoyam" God said.
HE never said, Gold, Diamond, Money Etc. It is knowledge (Gyana) one gets to
discriminate between 2 things. Without this Gyana GOD said it is not possible to
get HIM. My personal opinion- " When these unrighteous men offer gold/money to
God, HE returns their money/gold with interest, thereby rejecting their
offerings". Like ordinary righteous man refuses bribe.
B.Sathyanarayan

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Questions 1 to 3 are not important since these are about others. They are
playing their roles. Whats important is one's own understanding and one's own
growth....what role one wants to play...

All is right....It is all a grand play...and in a play both, right or wrong, are
right....Everyone is playing a role..

Some roles are performed at lower consciousness levels and some are at higher
ones....and depending on the consciousness levels we see various things
happening/actions at the worldly level....Some of them are labelled good while
others may be labelled bad....This illusion of duality keeps the play going....

What is best for all of us is to understand this play, understand the wisdom,
understand the oneness, the duality illusion, raise ourself high above where all
gets clear....and one starts to enjoy the grand play.....

Sushil Jain
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Who givesdonations? Those who think they have something of their own. But no one
really has anything of their own. The body, the mind, the earthly possessions of
the body and mind are theirs. It is they who give and take. God is not
connected to all these in the sense that God wants and does not want these
donations and gifts. A person who does not identify himself with the body and
mind and of course ego, lives an existence that has nothing to do with whatever
is happening all around. He is just a witness observing what is happening and
does not become sad or happy with all that he observes. Such a person is rarest
or rare. But people may try to live such an exitence through Sadhana. And the
steps they take including giving to God. This is part of training the ego, mind
and body to sacrifice so that they come to a habit of thinking that the person
has no desire for possesing anything whatso ever. I know that I do not [possess
anything, cannot give anything to and take fr
om anyone else. I do not have that ego or sedire that I want to pursue or pray
to God.. That is the existence I seek. But I am unable to reach that state
because I identify myself with the body, mind and ego and recognize others as
some other bodies, minds and egos. The problem lies there. It does not matter
to me if some rich persons give some money to temples and seek God's favour.
That is only a natural instinct of all egos, bodies and ind. But I am not in the
illusion that what the different bodies, minds and egos have anything to do.
Whether people are hypocrites, foolish to give money to temples or to the hungry
and poor human beings, is immaterial to me because I know that I am not part of
that and I am not affected positively or negatively by that, even if my mnd has
these questions of foolishness, hypocracy and fairness. I am not the mind: let
mind find out the answers to the questions it is seeking. I know that such
behaviour ego, mind and body are natiral however
illogical and unfair or foolish.
So, your mind will find the answers to the questions you have assked. The mind
may be satisfied, or disappointed or frstrated and become involved in seeking to
change the World and the socity. But you do not l;ive the existence that the
ego, body and the body lives. You are God and live a divine existence and enjoy
that even while ego, body and mind continue with their agitated state with
desires to be fulfilled and questions to be answered. Gita tells us to practice
this way of living the divine existence amidst all quests and questions of the
ego, mind and body. One day the ego , body and mind will fall in line with me
behaving completely differently than what they are doing now. They will
syncronize with my divine exietence.
Basudeb Sen

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God doesn't teach anywhere that the devotee should adorn him with jewellery and
valuables.

What matters is devotion as taught in verse 9:26

Whosoever offers Me a leaf, a flower, a fruit, or water with devotion; I accept
and eat the offering of devotion by the pure-hearted. (9.26).

Some rich people thinking that they can buy god's favors by gifts is not
supported by his teachings.

Ofcourse God doesn't want poor people to be bribed in to believing something or
making promises that poor are blessed and they will go to heaven.
Chandu
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If at all he needs money he does not have to take it from US. Remember
everything is his, then what does money do for him. I was in Hungary working on
a research project for more thanthree months. I was their guest in truest sense.
It was communist time and I was shadowed every minute. The bathrooms had no
bolts from iside!! and I had no chance to spend anything. I want anything
(including a drink) it was provided. The restaurant bills were taken care of
(deducted from the amt to be paid at the end of the project) There was no need
of any money in my pocket. Yes it was boring and jsut wanted to get back to
India every moment. No sir God is not sold to money
krishna

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People who offer money and valuables do so because they anticipate huge grants
from their input.It is some kind of business sense that involves religious
activity.HE too sheds because the lord knows that these apparent devoutees are
just greedy and he doesnot approve their devoution.
SUBHASH CHANDER TEWARI

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Dear Friends,

Please clarify my below doubt:

1) Why people are giving money or valuables to God. Is God is in need of money
or
valuables for giving His blessings?

PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND GOD, WHAT HE NEEDS AND WHAT HE WANTS.
THAT'S WHY PEOPLE GIVE MONEY AND OTHER VALUABLES TO GOD.

2) Why these type of people giving money or valuables to God eventhough his
fellow being is living without food and not helping them.

PEOPLE GIVE MONEY AND OTHER VALUABLES TO GOD SO THAT THEY CAN
SHOW-OFF TO FELLOW PEOPLE. THEY DO NOT WANT TO GIVE MONEY
FOR CHARITY AND FEED PEOPLE.

3) Money and valuables are offering by unrighteous people to fulfill their
desire
by the God / Deity and they are getting their rewards also. What is this?

NO, PEOPLE DO NOT GET ANYTHING FROM GOD FOR THEIR MONEY
AND THEIR VALUABLES. IT IS THE SYSTEM OF OUR UNDERSTANDING
AMONG ALL OF US THAT IF YOU GIVE MONEY TO GOD, THEN GOD WILL GIVE
THINGS TO YOU. THAT IS WRONG. BUT WHO WILL LISTEN TO ME? NO ONE.

So, live according to the will and donate to religious places as per ones wishes
and commitment to the particular God / deity. Is it right?

NO, BEST WAY TO LIVE IS TO (1) CLEAR YOUR MIND FROM PHYSICAL
THOUGHTS, THAT MEANS NO THOUGHTS, (2) THEN PRAY IN YOUR
THINKING. IF YOU CAN DO THESE TWO STEPS, THEN GOD WILL
RESPOND TO YOU IN DUE COURSE OF TIME (DEPENDING ON YOUR KARMA).

RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU PRAY, YOUR PRAYERS ARE STOPPED BY YOUR
PHYSICAL THOUGHTS. WHEN YOU HAVE NO PHYSICAL THOUGHTS IN
YOUR MIND AND THEN YOUR PRAY IN YOUR "THINKING" (NOT BY
MOUTH BUT MENTALLY) THEN ALL YOUR PRAYERS WILL GO TO GOD AND
GOD WILL HAVE TO RESPOND. I AM WRITING WITH MY EXPERIENCE.

Regards,
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