Friday, July 30, 2010

[gita-talk] Re: What to Do to Attain God Quickly? What Practices/Observances to Get Close God?

 

   JAY SHRI HARI

 
O' MY LORD!  LET ME NEVER EVER FORGET YOU! 
 
QUESTION:  What should I do for attaining God, so that He can be quickly attained? 
QUESTION:  Is there any anusthaan (observances, practices, rites, undertakings) by which I can get close to God? 
Along with this please introduce yourself that who your are and what do you do? 
 
IN HINDI -
 
                              HEY MERE NATH!MEIN AAPKO KABHI BHI NA BHOLU.
 
            Ques. Bhagwan ko pane ke liye hum kya kare ki hame bhagwan jald miljaye !
 
            Ques. Koi anusthan ho to batein jis se hum bhagwan ke karib pahunch jaye !
 
             aur apna parichya (introduction) bhi sath mein dena ki aap kaun hai aur aap
             kya karte hai.
 
APKA DAS
 
RAM CHARAN DAS
(THIS IS MY VAISHNAV NAME)

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narinder agrees with ashok goenka jee .............
 
" Drop all your 'Doing' and 'Knowing' "
( the Mind's constant hankering for desire  for ' doing' and 'knowing' )
 

 

                      A million words we keep reading, a million have been read

 Examine your Mind's state, and right Now, find¦become aware.

That

That, for which the million words were read and heard, and spoken too ,

 Is still far away, far far away !

                                                             Do you think, then,

 That  reading a million more words, and hearing them, too ,

 You will find that

Which is not  a Word; which, though the source of all words,

 Is  Silence.

 Not the word ‘silence’,

 But... Silence itself .

 Silence,.....

The beyond-ness, the transcendence, …that which is the very substratum of the Word

And Without which, no word will be intelligible !

AUM

narinder bhandari

P.S.

Read dear Mike's Quote ( below) of Swami Ramsukhdas jee's words  .............

like to begin with it, dear sadhak,  with ' yearning' for Krishna once again ! ??? !

or rather ....begin with a prayer to God

that this deep yearning arises in you

a Gift of God

aum

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IN HINDI

Sammananiyon Sadhak aur Group Members
Koti Koti Pranam
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waise to Aapme se Bahut Log shrotriya(Theoritical Knowledge ka gyata)aur Bramhanistha ya Bagwadnistha(Practical mein bhi Gyani)Honge/
MagarAap logon se bheji hui message Padhne se Lagata hai Ap Log bhi Lakir ka Fakeer Hogaye /Aur Hum bhi Bhramit Ho Gaye/Ek jigyan su ne
Jald BHAGWAN Milne ki Upaya ke baremein Prashna Kya puchha tha ki Janakari ki Bauchhar(BARSHA)suru ho gayee Magar Sab Adhura hi tha/
BHagwan Milne ki Bahut si Upaya SETHJI ne BHAIJI ne Aur SWAMIJI ne Batachuke hai Rahi Jaldi ki Baat so to jitna Sadhan mein Tibrata ho gi
utna hi jaldi Kaam hoga Anyatha Janam janam bhi lag sakta hai/
Magar Is mein Ek dukh ki baat hai Sab ne SECONDARY baat Kahi Primary Baat kisi ne nahin Kahi/Ek Mahashaya ne to Neele rang ke Akshar mein
Likhnewale HUMBLY SPEAKING SADHAK Ne to Itna Tak kahediya ki Bhagwan Dekhne ki Sunane ki Aur Karma se Prapta honeki Bishwas hi Chhodde/Agar
Aisa haito SAKAR BHAGWAN nahin dikhe to SaKAR Kaise ho gaye?Bhagwan Nahi sunane ki bishaya hai to Arjun ne BHAGWAD GEETA kaise suni?Aur Karma
 se Bhagwan Nahin Milte hain to Aaj tak Bina Karam Kiye Kisne Bhagwan ko Prapta kiya hai?Agar usmein Ahaituk Kripa ki Baat bichar karein to kripa bhi unko
hi hota hai jo Prayatna karta hai/Sadhak Ek kadam Aage badhe to Bhagwan sau kadam najdik Aate Hai/
Ab Chalein Mul Bishaya ki wor/SIKHA SuTRA aur AGNI Tyagi Sanyasi Bahek sampurna Sadhak Logon ke Liye DEV Rin PITRI Rin aur RISHI rin chukane ke liye aur
Prati din Maila hua chit ke suddhata ke Liye NITTYA aur NAIMITTIK karma Anibarya hai Uske baad hi sadachar wali dharmik prabriti ka bikas karte lana SECONDARY
 Baat Hui/Magar Message mein NITTYA aur NAIMITTIK Karam ka jikra tak Kisi ne nahin Kiya
Karam bhi Byakti kaSareerik samarthya aur Prarabdh se mili hi sadhan samagri gyan batabaran ke anurup hoga kyon ki marte bakt ka admi ko
BHAGWAN ke naam lene ke liye jeebh aur Honth tak nahin chal sakta Halan ki Uske Man mein Bhagwan ki chhabi aur Sattwik bhaw Aasakta hai us bakta ka uska
karam itne mein hi simit hoga / Bartaman mein bhi hum sablogon ka prarabdh ke anusar sareerik bal Ayu Upyukt Kal Bela Ghadi Upyukta aur Pabitra sthal DHAN
sadhan samagri Shastra gyan Bidhi nishedh ka gyan Shastra bidhi purna rupmein janane wala aur Thde hi Dakshina mein santosh karne wala purohit Aadi Karma ke
 Purwa Sharta(Pre condition) Ya Aawashyakta mein Phark Phark sthiti hai/Aab kis ko kya karna chahi ye / Karm to chodna hogahi nahin kyun ki Manushya Kshan bhar
 bhi Akrma Raha Nahin sakta hai/Chup hokar Parmatma Prapta karne ki Baat to Karma mein Akaram dekhne ki tattwa gyan hai/swarup se to sthul sukshma aur karan sareer akarma ho hi
nahin sakta/ jo karam chhodakar nithalle baithne ka natak kartehai unse to MANA ka Agya palan karne ka aur Jee churane ka karam karte hai jo nishedhit karam hi hai
Abrahi Sabse Eknas karam nahin hogi to kuchha na kuchh to chhutega hi /Nittya Karam mein 1=SAUCH2=Surya upasthan3=Tarpan 4=Dev Pooja5=Hawan6=swadhyaya6=Bali
Baishwadev=8=Atithi satkar9=Gayatri Jap yin nau prakar ki sandhya Geeta Press ka NITYA KARMA PRAYOG mein likhit bidhi se kiya jaye to DINBHAR usimein lag jata hai
 aur Mujhe lagata hai bahut Kam log hi Isko Pura karte hai /Aur STHAN NAIMITTIK KARMA AUR KAAL NAIMITTIK KARMA TO ANAGINIT hai/Usi prakar Bhagwad Geeta Adhyayaya 16 ke
 sloka 24 mein TASMAT SHASTRA PRAMANEN KARYA AKARYA BYABASTHITAU Likh kar Sampurna VED PURAN ITIHANS UPAPURAN SANHITA SHRUTI SMRITI RAMAYAN MAHABHARAT YOGBASITHA mein
LIKHA HUWA Karam Karne ko BHAGWAN KRISHNA Aadesh karte hai/MAM ANUSASAN MANAT SOHI Kahekar RAMJI Karma ke wor Prerit Kartehai/Ab Aap log Mujhe Itna bata dijiye ki Apne
Parishthiti aur Umra anusar sareerik samarthya ghatne par hum pahale kis karma ko chhod de aur kis kis karma ko kramanusar chodte chalen aur marnke kuch kshan pahle tak
sirph naan japen aur Honth band hone ka bad woh bhi chod kar sirph swarup ka chintan karein/ Sampurna karam purna karne ki awastha se antim ka swarup chintan ki yatra tak
 kaun kaun karma ko chhodte chalen Iska TALIKA Banwa dijiye/
Aba Antya mein Aap logon se Main Yaha Prarthana karta hun ki Agar Aaplogon ki Pabitra Chahana DHARAM ki Prasar hon Aisa haito Mujh par Kripa Barsha Karke Merei in prashnjingyasa
ka uttar dijiye aur Aisa Chahana Aapka nahin hai to Aaplogon mein Gyan prapta hone ka kuchh na kuchh GARBA bhi hoga Usko GARBA ko Mere jigyansa ke dwara Aaya huwa CHUNAUTI(HAANK)
 Samajh kar Uttar deneka kripa Kardijiye jis se sarwapratham Prashna Rakhne wala Jigyansu Baishnav sadhuko mbhi uttar milega/
Phir bhi Thidi si Baat main aur jodna chahata hun ki Christain Log Hamara Ghar Ghar mein Aakar HINDU Logonko Bhautik Samagri tak dekar Dharam Pariwartan
Kararahen hai Idhar Hamare HINDU GURU Unka Manchahi Prachanda GURUSEWA Kiye begar Baat Karne Tak ko RAJI nahin Hote/Kya Agar Jigyansu ke hridaya mein
SARWABHUT HITE RATA ka gyan ghus gaya to woh Jigyansu GURUSEWA kiye bina Baith sakega?HINDU dharam ko Aage badhane ke liye iska uttar bhi Aap hi logon se milne ki Asha Lagaye Baitha hun
Aapka sewak
BASUDEV

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-Shree  Hari-

Namaste!

I simply went to the link below, to add anything would be attempting to guild the lily.
But for a small note
by me at the end of the post.

http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.net/question_answer.html   

God Realization

Question:  How to attain God-Realization? 

Swamiji:  When there is a deep longing for God Realization, then everything else will drop off. Without having an intense longing for God Realization, nothing can happen. You have everything at your disposal - this human body has been received, you have received Gita and Ramayan, you have received good satsang, you have visited Gangaji, what more can there be?

Have only one desire, let there be only one (God) that you trust, only one dependency (God), only one longing (God). Just like the chattak bird, that drinks water only directly from the rain showers. Even though it is dying of thirst, and is at the banks of Gangaji, yet the chaatak bird will only wait for the rains. Let our exclusivity and intense longing for that One be like the chaatak bird.

Human life is successful, only on realizing God. We must realize God. "Tere bhaave jo karo bhalo buro sansaar," Do not worry about what others are doing, what they are thinking of us etc. Simply engage in only one thing (God), and everything else will follow suit. Everything else will become super simple, super easy. If there is one intense longing, all else will fall off.

No one is too young or too old to get started. But they all must have only one desire. Friends, such an opportunity will not be available in the future. If you do not have such intensity or deep longing for God, then it will only be self-betrayal. Simply speaking - we must realize God, no matter what others want, whether others want God or not.

And frankly, what other work do you really have?

From a Discourse by Swami Ramsukhdasji in Hindi on Aug 19, 2002 at 3:30 pm 

Question:  Gita 4:9 says - Those who know the reality (True Essence) are not reborn after death, they attain only God.  (Gita 4:9).  Is there any proof that such people attain only God? 

Swamiji:  Gita clearly states - Yes, Completely rid of passion, fear and anger, wholly absorbed only in God, depending on God alone, purified by knowledge of divinity of God's activities, many have become one with God. (Gita 4:10)

From "Gita Madhurya" in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji

Question:  If you say God Realization is so easy, then what are the obstacles that are preventing us from realizing God?

Swamiji:  There are many obstacles, such as:

1) Attraction to enjoyment and gratification from worldly pleasures and attachment to accumulation of material goods

2) Lack of intense longing and desire for inquiry into God Realization.

3) Being satisfied with our present state

4) Believing God Realization to be similar to acquiring of any other objects. Because of this belief, immense importance is given to kriya (doing actions) and less importance is given to our discriminative powers and our inner disposition - our natural state

5) Great Souls and Mahatmas who understand the essence (tattva) well, are rare to find and meet

6) Just with a little bit of knowledge and some practice, we become proud

7) Other self imposed limitations are - not found the right guide, I am not qualified, I am not deserving, times are such, my fate is such, I have to do something to realize God.

Such (samskaars) impressions and ideas are obstacles that prevent us from realizing God.

From "Prashno-uttarmanimala" by Swami Ramsukhdasji


Regarding obstacles, it is  the subtlest things that can be like a giant roadblock:
Radha Rohan Lal (modern Sufi Saint), said to his disciple  Mrs Tweedie "There is always something", making the point of how clear of desires, and attachments, one may consider oneself , there is always something. It was not until she had spent months in retreat, in the foothills of the Himalayas in solitude, and contemplation, all those somethings melted like the snow in the summer sun. Whereupon she found nothingness.

Om... Shanti...

Mike
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Hare Krishna
"DO NOTHING"
God is ever attained. 'Doing' distances us from HIM.
Ashok Goenka
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Dear Shri Ram charan das-ji and respected Sadhaks,
My humble suggestion for attempting God realization:-
It has to be rigidly believed that HE is within us and follow the procedures as enumerated below-
1. Absolute obedience to the social rules (following Gita-ji) and abstain from unwholesome deeds.
2. Always while in waked condition, try to remain fully conscious, fully aware and maintain absolute unanimity ( complete balanced mind).
3.Fully concentrate within yourself and search HIM closely observing your every incoming and outgoing  normal calm and quiet breath.
4. While practicing you will start feeling lot many sensations through your six senses including the base mind, which will appear and disappear by themselves. Simply observe them very minutely but never try to remember them or feel depressed / elated in the mind.  
5.At last a situation will arise when all  your unknown or poorly identified past "samskara" will get withered away through your own six aforesaid senses,giving you at times pain, at times pleasure and at time nothing significant. In addition, of course at particular times, very peculiar sensations will arise which  cannot be explained  and has to be understood by yourself  through your own wisdom (none else in the world). 
6.Finally when this sensation through the different peripherals of your body reaches  the center, i.e.,your heart, the "l" gets  dissolved as the heart emanates throbbing synchronizing with the the vibration of the universe.It is known that this will also ultimately dissolve to take you to the position where you get physically united with HIM the "Jiv-atma" gets "Paramatma" and you are back home eternally,
Now to reply your inquiries about me : I am in a similar stream  as you are.
Professionally a retired Geologist, at the moment engaged in sadhana called 'Vipassana" which is a very simple and most practical way for quick realization of God. I am located at Folsom, CA, USA ,  developing  "insight" for God realization after  very quicker removal of past ''samskaras",under the guidance of the Vipassana centre.
I had the basic initiation in Ramkrishna Mission, Jogodyan, Kolkata more than 13 years back.
Thanks and regards,
Barin Chatterjee

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OM NAMAH SIVAYA.
In reply to what is asked it occurs to me. 
Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi of Thiruvannamalai says, find out as to who is the one asking this question.  Who is the one wanting to get to God?  Who is he?  He has to ask the question himself and get the answer from within!
When you say that 'You want to get to know God', you are keeping your identity unknown to yourself and others and wanting to know God, as though He is another one of those things, or whatever!  First answer the question as to who you are or rather ask yourself the question as to 'Who am I?'
If everything in this world are God's making, are you not also one such?
Actually, elsewhere Ramana says that, "The whole world and all life forms in it and all the Gods are like the silver in the sea-shell!"  They are all only appearances. Reality is only one and the same, here, there and every where; then, now and forever.  When this clarity dawns, doubts vanish.

SAMBHO MAHA DEVA!

"Lt.Col. KTSV Sarma"

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NARAYAN NARAYAN

How to attain God quickly, this which you think in your mind is not real, as God is already attained.  Your sight is what is lacking, not in God.  As long as you apply your strength, intellect, capabilities till then nothing will happne.   On taking complete refuge, just as Draupadi , first applied her strength, intellect when being disrobed, and nothing seemed to be working.  then with sentiments of exclusive dependence only on the Lord saying He Naath!  O' Lord she called out!  IT was not long after that she was saved from being stripped off her clothes.  Elephant Gajraj, too experienced the same state and so did Dhanna Sheth, Meera Bai and Narshi Mehta.  You do with exclusive sentiments call out to the Lord and see for yourself.  You will experience eternal BLISS ! 

Ram chandra

IN HINDI

BHAGVAN SE JALDI  KESE MILE YE AAPKI SOCH HEIN HAKIKAT NAHI BHAGVAN THO MILE HUVE HE HEIN .TUMARI DHARSTI ME KAMI HEIN BHAGVAN KI NAHI. AAP APNA SAMRTHYA ,BUDHI,BAL JAB TAK APNAVO GE TAB TAK KUCH NAHI HOGA .PURAN ROOP SE SAMRPAN -JESE DROPDI,NE PAHLE APNA SAMRTHYA, BAL ,BUDHI SAB LAGA LIYA THA TAB TAK KUCH NAHI HUVA .PHIR ANANYA BHAV SE ;HE NATH- HE NATH KARKE PUKARA THO -LAAJ BACHNE ME DERI NAHI LAGI, GAJRAJ KI VAHI DASHA THI, DHANNA SHETH, MEERA BAI, NARSHI MEHTA,........AAP BHI ANANYA BHAV SE PUKAR KE DEKHO BAS.......................AAP KO SWATAH HI  .PARMANAND KI PRAPTI HO JAYEGI.
[RAMCHANDRA- Raj-Gayak ek pet name]


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Neele Akshar mein Likhnewale
Oh Humbly Speaking Sadhak ji
Aap ko Hamara Koti Koti Pranam
Is se Pahle Haqmara Achyut ji se Prathana ki HE MERE NATH AAP KO MAI BHULOON NAHI AUR AAP IS DAS KO CHYUT(TYAG) NA KAREIN
Aap ne Likha Hai ki If you wish to realize God instantly, then leave some of your beliefs.  [the belief that by doing something we will be able to attain Paramatma, the belief that Paramatma is unattained, the belief that Paramatma can be seen, 
 Ye Baat se Hum Bhram mein Pad gaye Kyun ki Agar Parmatma jara nadekhein Kyon ki woh Sagun Nirakar hai Thik hai Magar Prashna puchhne wale Mahodaya Parmatma ko lekar Nahim ki Bhagwan ko Paane ki Liye Puchh Rahen hai Bhagwan Sagun Sakar aur Kripa ke sagar hai. Aur Unhon ne BHAGWAT GEETA Adhya 11 ke 54 wan slok mein GYATUM DRASHTUM CHA TATTWEN PRABESHTUM CHHAPARANTAP Kaha hai Aum SHRADHEYA SWAMI RAMSUKHDAS JI MAHARAJ NE SADHAK SANJEEWANI Men Anumodan karke Bishwas Dilaya Hai.Ki ANANYA BHAKTI se Bhagwan ko Chatur bahu Rupmein Dekha ja sakta hai Aba Sadhak Mahodaya se Hum Puchhate hain JEEVAN bhar Atulaniya Tyag maya Jeewan Bitane wale Shradhaye Swamiji Kis waste Galat Bat Likhen /Yeh Kabhi ho hi nahin sakta /Kada Shabd ke Liye Charnarbind mein Pranam karke Kshama Magta hun
Aap se sada Gyan ka Kripa chahanewala sewak
BASUDEV

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Dear RAM CHARAN DAS

Namaste

To attain God, one has to do nothing. i.e.  Simply "Be".


Thanking you and warm regards

Gokul

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Vasudeva Sarvam
God does not have to be found. You can only find and get something that was at some point in time lost.  Paramatma is ever attained.  Swamiji has said 0  "When there is nothing else besides God, then who can Paramatma we unattained? 
 [Manav Maatre Kalyaan ke liye -  pg 73 ] 
If you wish to realize God instantly, then leave some of your beliefs.  [the belief that by doing something we will be able to attain Paramatma, the belief that Paramatma is unattained, the belief that Paramatma can be seen, heard and thought about) then wherever you are there Paramatma IS and you are ever established in Paramatma.  If we do no actions at all, then we will be established in that Paramatma alone."  ,"अगर   [Manav Maatre Kalyaan ke liye -  pg 117 ] 
Any observances done with the body, sense, mind, intellect  can only be done to attain things in this world, not for Paramatma.  Swamiji has said "It is a principle, that that allpervading Essence, that cannot be attained through some actions"  ( Manav Maatre Kalyaan ke liye -  pg 117)
A sadhak is one who does not do anything to attain that which is ever attained, because he cannot do anything (Gita 3 :31 ]
By considering that which is ever attained as unattained is wasting our time.   Here is a question for you - can you show me anything gross, subtle, causal, seen, unseen, being, thing, situation, real, unreal, good, bad,  sinful, virtuous, present, not present, or anything other than all of these, that is not Paramatma in the form of IS-ness?   So be it,
Humbly speaking
Sadhak
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Dear Sadak Ram Chandra Dasan,
To day I was listening to Alwars (!2 Vaishavite Saints scripts and their teachings) about their devotion. I encountered about Geetha Sloka starting with "Bakthaya Thu_____" It gives answers to your questions.
B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Sadhakas,
Hare Krishna.
This is in response to a question from a Sadhaka, regarding how to attain God.
Lord Krsisna says in Bhagavad Gita,
"Mat karma krn mat paramo,
Mad bhaktah sanga varjitah,
Nirvairah sarva bhuteshu,
Yah sa mam eti pandava. "
(Gitaji 11, 55)
Which means,
' My dear Arjuna, whoever engages in My pure devotional service, free from fruitive activities, works for Me, makes Me the supreme goal in life, and who is friendly and benevolent towards every one, that person comes to Me. '
What we need is pure devotional service, with total surrender unto the lotus feet of of the Lord. That is the way to attain Him. There is no quick fix. some people attain Him quickly, based on their severity of devotional service and for others it may take longer.
For this Kali yuga, devotional service in the form of chanting is highly recommended.
Let us chant the Holy Names and advance spiritually.

Thank you.
Hare Krishna.
My Name (Vaisnava Name) is
Prasad Achyuta Iragavarapu.
My Profession , physician.

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Sir,
You can not say that you want God, as one does not 'know' Him.
One is just asking for as one has heard from others or books or one is just desiring a mentally comfortable state.
All practices will take you there.
God is here as well there.
God is not a positive entity.
As all search is for the positive,so the search is vain.
Mind can not operate without duality-good-bad and so on.
This is the limit of the mind.
To see the limit of the mind is to see beyond.
Can you bear the jerk of the fact that you will NEVER know Truth as a comfortable end or idea?
Y V Chawla
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Response to question1: Think of God all the time, each moment whether you are doing something or sleeping. The day you find that you can no longer do anything or even sleep or think without God being in your thought and God being behind all your actions, you will attain God. Whether this will happen quickly or not depends on how quickly your practiice of living in God all the time continuously without break becomes stable 60*^0*24*365 every year. There is no quick and easy way to attain God.
Response to Question 2: God is everywhere and all the time. So, you are close to , rather in God or with God all the God. Only ptoblem is that you do not believe in this or continuously aware and conscious of this fact. So, the only ritual required is to practice thinking that you are in God and with God each and every moment of your life. This is not possible overnight but you can practice and constantly improve. When you start doing this thinking about being with and in God even as you do something else, think of something else or sleep, you will slowly lose your ego, your desire and your existence separate from God. Soon you become God because you would lose your separate identity by then.
I am a 62 year old person retired from active life trying to think that every moment of my life as nothing but God's creation of moments and that I am just a phenomenon of succesive moments with no real independent separate existence just as day and nights are phenonmenon given names by man but with no separate independence of their own. I try this but most of the moments I forget to be in this thought. But I have left it to God to take the responsibility of keeping me consciously aware of Him all the time, removing my all ego and desire.
It may sound rediculous or joke: but that is my reality as I trust that God is the only one who can take decisions and implement them while I am mere phenomenon of egos and desires that cannot decide or do anything independently.
If I decides one day this ego and desires will leave and I as a phenomenon will not be I anymore. I will look at these the same way as God does remaining unaffected by what happens to the phenonmenon that I have been naming as I.
Basudeb Sen

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Dear Sadak Ram Chandra Dasan,

In Vaishava name or Shivite name there is little impact. Vaisnava Bakthas who were Shiva Duveshi was killed by Vishnu. Shiva Bakthas who were Visnu Duveshi was killed by Shiva. Vaishava or Shavite was used by great men, only to do Ekagratha Bakthi. Example told in Veda:- A wife can totally surrender to husband only and be respectful to in-laws, and others.

Your QUESTION wasWhat should I do for attaining God, so that He can be quickly attained? Bagavan has clearly directed, by his Geetha verse, "Aniniya Chintayayome----" (Always fixing mind on HIM)  Means always thinking of HIM. In fact it is very easy. Say when you look at your wife, think  Krishna who blessed you with a gift called wife. Here again A great Baktha of Poori clarified and also Sri Krishna approved. A wife even happen to be treacherous lady, the mind should think it is Krishna`s gift. A good wife anyone can think so. But to a bad wife, it is a rare person who thinks so. Another great saint who was Sri Mahalakshmi devote, happen to see a beggar lady with torn cloths, disfigured, looking shabby and dirty at his door step. He stood up and called her in saying, "Mother Mahalakshme please come in. It is my great blessing to receive you". His family decided that he became exocentric always thinking of Sri Vishnu and Mahalakshmi, and left the house. The devote gave her seat, washed her feet, served her food all by himself. When his wife happen to see what was going on in the house through a window, to her surprise, she saw Sri Mahalaksmi and Maha Vishnu sitting by side of her husband. But to us to see a well dressed in golden sari woman with crown on her head and plenty of jewels around her neck as Maha Lakshmi. There are many incidents like this.  

Looks like Mahalakshmi. This means disparity in our looks, leave alone in mind. This disparity DOES not fall under Anniniya Chinta.

Another incident where Rishi Naradhji asks Bagavan Vishnu, is there anyone doing better Bakthi than himself. Bagavan said, there is Bhramin in forest near Nevisharaniyam. Naradh went there. He saw the Bhramin sharpening a sword. Bhramin to use sword was forbidden. This created doubt in Naradthji, so he disguised himself as another Bhramin and asked why was he sharpening the sword. That Bhramin said to Naradhji (in disguise), to kill Naradhji, then Arjuna. This is in Padma Puran any one can read it. The clarification goes by Bagavan, that this Bhramin had abundant love on Krishna, as Naradhji and Arjuna were always disturbing HIM.

Another incident:- Sri Krishna pretended to be having headache and asked mother Sathiya Bama, Naradh, and other to give the dust from their feet to cure HIS headache. All went aside, thinking what a great sin it would be. But the when Udhava was sent to Gopies to get dust from their feet, the Gopies without second thought gave bags of dust trampled by them.  Krishna clarifies:- See the Gopies they do anything for ME though they are aware of my powers. This is their Aniniya Chinta on ME even being in family way of life, said Bagavan.

You must be knowing Kannappar who offered his both his eyes to Shiva Linga statue. Kannapar was hunter with NO any morale or knew any strotra or sastra. He used to offer Bagavan Shiva with pig meat, and water filled from his mouth. Shiva embraced him.   

Now coming to me. I am only tool in the hands of Sri Krishna WHO is performing certain things for HIS Bakthas to know the best possible Gyana for reaching HIM.  I have a large collection of material regarding Bakthas of India, Vedas, Puranas, Scripts by very great men of those days if there is interest in such reading / listening or visiting let me know. 

B.Sathyanarayan

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IN HINDI

HE MERE NATH ACHYUT MAIN AAPKO BHULUN NAHIN Mujhe Chyut na karen
He Bhagwan SADHUJI Main to dason ka das hun
He mere nath sadhu yah kya likh liya ki CHARANON KI DHUL
Charanon ki dhul to hum hona chahaten hai jo aapka charanarbind hamara mathe pe lagkar abiral sheetalata barsha karneki kripa aapse ho jaye to Hum to Aash Lagaye baithe hain
 
He mere nath Aab chalen Prasang ki wor/He Nath Aap to sab samajhate hi hain Phir bhi Hum ko Us Aanand Kand ki Madhurya sagar mein dubana chahate hain /Chalen Yisi bahane Kuchh charcha ho jaye aur kuchh pal ko dhanya banaye
He mere Nath Us Ananda Kand Sarbagya ko Kya baat Gyat nahin hoga?Woh to hamare samrthya gyan awastha sadhan samagri stha aur kaal aur aayu sab janata hai aur us Karuna Barunalaya Itna bhi Logikal(Tarkik)nahin hoga ki hum kis paristhiti mein hai aur kya kar sakte hai/ Woh Hridayabasi se to Man ki baat bhi to kuchh chipa nahin hai/Isi liye mujhe to lagta  hai hum to  unke liye hridaya mein samarpan  aur unke anukul banane ki ichha aur sareer se prayatna Arthat Moti Shabda mein kaha jaye to Woh Jeevan daata ke liye hi yah jeevan  ka Pal Pal bitane ki tatparata hona chahiye/Banki Kripa to unhi ko karna hai/ Jab Ichha  aur Prayatna  Jise Main Tatparta Kahena chahata hun Woh Agar sachhi hai to sabse pahele aur jeevan ki antim swas tak samjhana to rah sakega hi us se jyada shakti hone par naan jap hoga jab tak Bani sath de tab tak Naam Sankirta  to Ho ga hi/Sath mein jo kuchh bhi ho Hari janon ke sath Batwara ho ga hi Ganga(Kohi bhi nadi ya jalashaya mein )jal chadhega Bagiche mein phul hoto phul chadhega Anukulta mein Jugal pani(Hath) sada judta hi rahega hath agar chut bhi gaya to man to jhukta hi rahega harijanon ki milan mein Divya Ras bhi Hoga Ras bhi hoga(Shayad anubhawi ke liye us ras se bada Amrit bhi aur koi kya hoga? jo prati  kshan bardhman badhtahi jane wala hoga jaise pahle Aap Pahle Aap karte karte Nababon ki Train hi chhut gai thi usi tarah yahan to roti ki thali bhi waise ka waise rahakar pemamrit se anupam tripti hoga Sayad wohi amrit hai/Bhagwan mai kya likhun aur kitna likhun Magar Abhaga hun Jo Aap jaise Harijano ka Pad Raj se Abhitak Abhisikta Hone ka awsar hi nahin mila hai bhal abhi Hari kripa Hui aur thodasa Internet mein hi sahi Thoda sa Charcha karne ki jo Awasar Aap Prabhu ne Kripa jo Barshaya Mai to Nihal Hun Prabhu
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Aab Rahi Meri Thodi si Parichaya/Prabhu Aap jante hi hain Main to Ati dustar aur ghor Bhaw sagarmein  Anant janam se Tritaap ki sagar mein Gota lagata hua Ek jeev hun/ Gota lagate lagate  Prabhu Kripa se Sambat 2013 (1957AD)mein Nepal Kathmandu mein Kripa purwak Kshatriya Kul mein Manushya jeevan Mila Hai Magar Us kripalu ke Prati  Mujh Jaisa Kritghna koi nahion hai aur Pamar ki tarah sirph Aayu barwad karta Aayahun/ Jivika ke liye 26 barsh Nepal ke central bank mein  Nokari karke 7 barash pahle Pensin mein Retired ho gaya hun /Bahari yogyata mein  BA pass karke sirph Abidya aur Abhiman ka hi Gath dhoye  Phir rahan hun/Seth ji aur swami ji itna kripa ka sagar barshaya hai magar mai abhaga achhuta hi jan padta hun
Aage Shri Hari ki Marji Wo jo karein
Prabhu Bhagwat charcha ke bahane bhi mai Pamar ne kitne jage Aap ka Sheer dard karne wala baat bhi Likhdi Phir bhi KUMATA Nabhawati ki Nyaya se Hamare Upar ki Aap Aur Parmeshwar ki Kripa barashta Rahega Chatak ki Yehi nPipasa hai -
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[gita-talk] Re: If some one has realised Paramatma, then what should he do?

 

QUESTION IN BRIEF:  If some one has realised Paramatma then what should he do next / thereafter ?

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Narayana Narayana!

Kuldeep

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Vasudeva Sarvam
Kuldeepji ! Experience (Experience of God Realization) cannot be expressed in words.  That which can be spoken about, it not the actual experience (anubhav), rather it is about the experience.  Therefore it is called the molasses of the dumb.  Regarding an utterance there can be many forms of expressions, however an experience (anubhav) is beyond words.  
So be it
Most Humbly
Sadhak
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Hari Om

 

Brother Kuldeep ! You are contradicting yourself, Bhai ! Yousaid: that my immediate answer that- what one should DO , this Q does notarise- is absolutely correct. Isn't it? So you yourself agreed to it !Right? Now when there remains nothing to be DONE…where and how the Q ofyour doing anything except becoming SILENT  arises? Why should you then goaround and say: Hey Look at me…I have realized God !! Why ? I have notcome across any person…a realized person ever claiming that I have becomerealized, nor do I see any justification or need for his doing so. You tell me,why it is necessary?  I am not skipping your Question, I will reply indetail should you want so, but first tell me…what benefits shall accrueto anybody or to oneself…by claiming that I HAVE BECOME REALISED? Whysuch a person should say so? The example of the Realised King and RealisedPerson referred by you and me, is an example coming straight from SwamijiRamsukhdasji Maharaj. It is perfectly alright. In fact, if you say I AMREALISED…there will be a huge loss to all around you…nothing togain, everything to loose !! Think and come back. Your Q in fact involves …Understandingexactly what actually is God Realisation…if you precisely understandthis, again this Q of telling others would not arise. When you have merged intouniversality…there ceases any individuality any where…the veryworld ceases to exist in your eyes…no other remains anywhere…ONLYParamatma remains…NOTHING ELSE !!!

 Pranaams

Narottam B Vyas
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Dear Sadak,

Q:Sadak Kuldip wrote, "afterRealisation what one should "do", this Q does not arise!] is absolutely correct!!!!...."

Ans:Absolutely incorrect. Only after realization one should tell the TRULY requiredsadaks the importance of realization. In Geetha, Bagavan says- Not me.

Q: He shouldnot say/talk about it, should not propagate about it, should not leave anyclues!

Ans: One saint Tirumoolar in south India hasclearly in detail said about How to realize GOD. Sant Tukaram has clearly sanghow to realize God. Brihadaraniya Upanashid clearly says how to reach GOD. SriMath Bagavath says. Why, even our Sri Krishna in Geetha says to do Karma withSamaparna Budhi even after realization of GOD. In Gnaneswari written by greatsaint Gnaneswar says so. So many.

Kabir saying saidby Kuldip, "Kabir has said about his own state after realisationthat "Lali Mere Lal Ke Jit Dekhon Tit Lal, LaliDekhan Mai Gaie Mai Bhee Ho Gaie Lal".

Ans: We must beknowing the incident when Namadev visited Kabir house, he had nothing to offeras food late in the night. Sri Rama was appearing to Kabir as when he prayed.But even in that ability to have connected with GOD, he had nothing at home andto Wheat flour and ghee to make Roti, he mortgaged his wife for it. Therealized Kabir could do that, what is that you want to be silent. Why Bagavancan sit in Vaikunt or Bagavan Shiva could sit in Kailash, but they came toserve Baktha Gora as servant, as replacement to Sakubai, as cook to Namadevetc. Bagavan is poornathuvam- means NO flaw or required to do anything. Butwhen HE can come to HIS bakthas, play with them, show us the way ofrealization, why not you Sri Kuldipji.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Sir,
Truth does not make any specification, what action you are to take.
Truth sets you FREE, such that you may take ANY ACTION.
( However, one action-to show this fact (Truth) to others is there by default)
You taste unbound freedom. Actions become fun, joy, non-committal.
 ALL ACTIONS are bound by pain and pleasure. This paradigm keeps the brain alive, it can not be undone. And just see, every body is in this state. Just not recognising it because mind is under the illusion as if this paradigm of pain and pleasure can be undone.
Thus differentiation as after realisation and before realisation  is also no longer there.
Y V Chawla
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Do we really need to know what is to be done after Realisation when we are fr
from reaching that stage? A Realized soul will know what to dio at that stage.
For us, will it matter to us in our decision whether to try for realisatuion or
not, we need to know what we would do after Realisation? Assume that, after
Realisation the only work remains is to remain in that state, will some one of
us decide not try the path towards Realisation. Or. if we come to know that after
Realisation the best thing to do is to get out of the state of Realisation, are
we going to change our decision of pursuing the path towards Realisation? Given
all these possibilities, do we need to confuse our mind with an irrelevant
question about what to do after Realisation. We know already what a Realised
soul like Krishna did or Jesus did or Ramakrishna did or Gautam Buddha did.
They did not do exactly the same things. These liberated souls did different
things using their freedom from bondage that we suffer from. So, let us first
get to Relisation, we can do many different things
of our choice including giving up Realisation once we are in Realised State.
Assume tat after Realisation, some realized souls remain in complete silence.
while some others in lot of activity to spread love. That is not an adequate
knowledge?

Basudeb

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Dear Kuldeep,
                      How can one differentiate a delerious state and one-with-God-state ?
                      Very few humans are fortunate enough to reach this state in his present life-time...and every possibility exists for such a delrious state of mind...I have come accross quite a few such cases,whe the person actually believes his having reached Godhood...mostly they are cases of megalomania...!
                       Some of the cardinal signs of having reached Godhood or God Head,as described in most Texts is, the total feeling of wonder at the creation,and an overwhelming humility,distinct from the one which is "put-on" or "cultivated"...and seeing every thing as if bathed in a golden light...and a faint halo around such a person's head is perceptible...Patanjali has described quite a few signs & symptoms...
                       Such a description is found in many books,hence this very much increases the real possibility of self-delusion too for an over-eager sadhaka... !
                       Dear Kuldeep how many among us can truly differentiate a Truly realisedthe numerous charlatans... that exist ...simply fooling innocent and gullible people and milking them for money and pelf... ! person from
                       Could you or others throw light on this ?
                       Yogesh Lajmi.
                      
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AUM

ah,  my friend Kuldeep .........................

If some one has realised Paramatma, then what should he do? is the question here asked ......  the question really is ....................then , what would he do ?

the answer is :

what can he do .................... kuldeep bhai , what, indeed  can he do ...... now that he has realised ..

.... realised .......... that the Lord , verily, is the Doer ............  he is NOT !!

such  questions  stops arising in the awakened one , dear sadhaks ............

a question , again , only in the un-awakened mind ........... how does the awakened one now seemimgly live ?

and the answer .......... only to provoke the 'not-yet- awakened' to walk the Path, the sages so do answer .........

and, the answer is .............. Life is now 'spontaneous living' in the Present Moment Now ........... 

predominantly with the Intelligence now abiding as :

 " Jo tudh bhave sohee bhalikar " , and " tere bha'ne sarbat ka bhala'  "

............( Guru Grantha Sahib )

" Thy Will Now, to me , has become Sweet Joy" and " May the whole world be well .  May thy  Grace blossom as fragrance of well-being for all beings "

 
does it remind you, dear sadhaks,  of Swami Ramsukhdasjee's words  below ???
 
I want the whole world to be well. I want the whole existence to be well."

 AUM

  narinder bhandari

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My friends,


WHAT SHPULD ONE DO AFTER REALIZING PARAMA ATMA? 

I do not think it is even nearly correct tht such a person should do nothing because there iws nothing for him/her to do. On the contrary, such person will and should continue to work the way he has been to show others that realization of Parama Atma is thrpugh work with no attachment to the benefits that accrue to the subject.If he feels there is nothing to be gained  then he has not , NOT REALIZED PARAMA ATMA.. He is not paMdita. 3,25 of Bhagavd Gita is so assertive about it 

SAKTAAH KARMANI AVIDVAAMSO YATHAA KURVAMTI BHAARATA
KURYAAT VIDVAAM TATHAA ASAKTAH CIKEERSHUH LOKASAMGRAHAM

Also,
JOSHAYET SARVA KARMAANI VIDVAAN YUKTAH SAMA AACARAN

Realizing Parama Atma is not retirement or withdrawal. It consists of active participation without aspiring for any personal  benefit but the welfare of fellow beings (not just men) in the heart and soul.

The hall mark of the one who realized Parama Atma is paraam SaaMti his mana, buddhi and Atma reach. Hatred of anyone is not a character of Paraam SaaMti.

Samudrala Krishna

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I liked this question very much while going through the posts on

"REMEMBERING ONE OF THE GREATEST SAINTS WHO WALKED ON THIS PLANET"

 as very learned Sadak N.B. Vyas Ji touched the question in one of his posts there in!

His immediate answer [After you have realised God, nothing remains to be done / known / got ! Therefore, after Realisation what one should "do", this Q does not arise!] is absolutely correct!!!!....I fully agree with this portion of the answer. 

But, the later explanation portion in the form of a story of Realised King and a Realised Person and their conversation is not falling in tune with the perfect answer given at the begining! The conclusion of the story has changed the answer to:

He  should not talk /shout about the same! Or,in other words, one should become silent! He  should not say/talk aboutit, should not propogate about it, should not leave any clues!

This conclusion is not logically correct since, to my mind, after realising God or Paramatma; Person's Individuality would merge with the God or Paramatma! He would no longer remain he as Individual finite Indentity but become GOD, the Universal infinite Indentity. 

Kabir has said about his own state after realisation that "Lali Mere Lal Ke Jit Dekhon Tit Lal, Lali Dekhan Mai Gaie Mai Bhee Ho Gaie Lal".There are many others who have given their similar experience after realisation that they loose their Individuality and merge with UniversalConsciousness!!!

However, even if we talk with pure logic in mind:

 The Person after turning into HE (GOD) as an Universally Conscious Identity, would still include his previous heof his which, has to continue with Karmas of body, he possessed at the time of realisation. It is very clear that he would perform normal Karmas but, would not get attached to them as Lord Krishna described in Chap. 2  as Sithagprgya would do!

I fail to understand as to "Why, why and why he should adopt SILENCE AND FURTHER WHY HE SHOULD NOT TALK ABOUT HISREALISATION WITH PEOPLE, LEAVING NO CLUE....AGAIN WHY, WHY SO ???

To my mind, he should very much tell everybody so that they too could get confidence and proceed on the path of GOD's realisation. I would say rather, he could/should be the best guide for other seekers!! Exactlythe way Lord Krishna, Kabir, Guru Nanak Ji, Chirst, Mohmammad...etc didin their life time...though all of them did realise GOD, the Paramatma!!

Let other learned Sadaks on this forum put their valuable comments for the benefits of all on my above different thinkingabout this very important topic, N.B. Vyas Ji in particular!

 I do agree it is said that any spritual experience should not divulged to others except the Guru, but somehow I differ, I feel it should be revealed to deserving and needy persons  but without any ego or proud!

Narayana Narayana!

Kuldeep
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[gita-talk] Re: What Can I do regarding harshness in my expressions?

 

Shree Hari  Ram Ram

THIS BRINGS CLOSURE TO THIS TOPIC.  THE QUESTIONER IS SATISFIED BY YOUR RESPONSE AND SHOW OF SUPPORT.  PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO ALLOW NEW QUESTIONS TO BE ADDRESSED.    THANK YOU ALL. 
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Dear Sadhaks
Being in sangha and reading spiritual texts has helped me gain clarity in my
expression. I can see a little bit of harshness in my expressions. More than
that I seem to be scaring away people as they trust me to be clear and frank.
What can I do? Please help.
Pranaams
veena
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Dear Sadhaks
I am grateful to each one of you for the support in making my life a satsang.
Pranaams
Veena

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Vasudev Sarvam
The moment you stop seeing the harshness in yourself, at that very moment it will begin to diminish.  By seeing it in the self it becomes firm (solidified).  Do not give it importance.  If it has come, it will go away with certainty.  Simply do not accept it in yourself.   (SSS-pg 16 - Vikaaron se kaise chute). 
So be it,
Most Humbly,
Sadhak

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Veena is the (stringed) instrument that makes sonorous, melodious and aesthetic notes. Observe Veena more carefully this time. It is not Ek Taara (single-stringed); it has several strings and near the end of it where you vibrate the strings with the fingers there is Pumpkin like vacuum, (in Telugu it is called Gummadi kaaya or Burra). The various strings indicate the contexts one faces in living. Modulation of your vaak (talk) depends on the context or the string you vibrate. some strings make a bass noise some make a mellowed soft sound some vibrate rather lazily and make a sort smeared sound. Veena needs all these strings and notes. In life you do need different levels of wavelengths and pitches. Look at Gita. In sixth chapter when Arjuna asks a genuine question reg a common misunderstanding, Krishna saya

paardha! na eva na amutra vinaaSaH tasya vidyate 
na hi kalyaana krit kaScit durgatim TAATA gacchati?   (6.40)

Note the two ways of addressing Arjuna. First Paardha. Paardha is son of Prithaa and Prithaa is personification of tolerance, forbearance or Sahana Seelatha. So, Krishna even at the outset reminds Arjuna that he is the inheritor of these qualities, so that he would be ready to listen to the next with rapt attention. Then Krishna tells Arjuna the real truth; and addresses him most affectionately as TAATA. TAATA literally means, father, though coloquially used for grand father. In Telugu and kannada, children are addressed as Tamdri, tallee, naayana etc in situations of mellifluous affection.

Now note the tone in 18th chapter

kaccit etat Srutam Paardha! tva ekaagrEna cetasaa
kaccit adnyaana sammohah pranaShtastE dhaNamjaya!     18.72

Here the teacer is terse. Have you listened to my teaching with rapt attention, with single purpose in mind? You, who have a streak of ego due to conquering many riches (Dhanamjaya), has ignorance caused by wealth [remember Arjuna was about to abdicate (Eshaamardhe kaamkshita raajyam bhogaassukhaanica in the first chapter)) been annihilated. Here addressing Arjuna as Dhanmjaya is a jibe to remind him of the misgiving that the war was for Raajya, Bhoga a nd Sukha. Th eharshness was intended and absolutely essential. The harshness made Arjuna realise his folly.

Regarding the hollow Pumpkins in a veena, they indicate an empty mental frame, a frame that is empty of any prejudice and attachment or affliction. It is this impartial (vacuous) mentality that produces different notes in Veena. 

I have written at length just to encourage you; you need not worry about harshness as long as your mind is free from prejudice. As we have seen just now such harshness is generated by situation and not prejudice. By the By I do not understand what you imply by SaMgha?

May your life reveal most melodious notes as a Veena in an expert's hand does. Krishno rakShatu no jagatraya guruh.

Krishna  


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A person who speaks the Truth, honest and frank need not be harsh at all. What
you say can be truthful and rank. Np problem. How you say can be polite or
harsh. If it is harsh there is a problem. The problem is either past practice of
harshness for long in expressing truth, especially unpalatable ones to others.
or underlying some anger/ frustration or sadness inside or a belief that
harshness is the only way to drive home a point. It is better to try to get rid
of the underlying anger/ frustration, sadness that cause harsh expressions to
come in. It is also better to give up the belief that harshness is the best way
to communicate cold truth frankly. In addition, it is better to start believing
that there is no need to emphasize cold truth expressions with harshness to
produce desired results on the person being spoken to. If the duty is to speak
the truth bluntly and frankly, so be it: but that duty should be desire-free in
the sense that one has no desire that the person to whom such cold, blunt truth
is spoken to is influenced in to better
understanding or future behavior correction as a consequence of your speaking
the Truth frankly and clearly,
The problem really does not exist if you follow the first basic principle of
doing your duty without self-ego that desires certain consequence of the action
of performing duty.


Bsudeb Sen

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-Shree Hari-

Namaste!

Dear Veena,

There is always a danger when involved in sangha, even in this forum, that if
you feel that another person has got it wrong, or you have been misquoted, they
haven't read what you said/written, or curt in response, that one will quip back
sharply, good intellect does not stop one, in fact can be the fuel that sends
one down an abrasive path, and before one knows it a battle of intellect en
shews, while others run for cover as it were!

Swamiji quote: By seeing other's flaws, neither we are benefited, nor they.

I draw your attention to Sadhak-Sanjivani comment on Gitaji 17:15 (p.1799)
Truthful utterance, is that which states the bare facts, in order to convey to
others the correct idea of what one has, read, herd, seen or experienced,
without having any feelings of selfishnesses and pride.

Read carefully first chapter on page 1800.
In my way of expression, you don't have to beat someone over the head to get
your point across, be nice, if that person rejects you, be nice!

Oh! A final point, sometimes people will insult you deliberately, or
unintentionally; let it go!

Om... Shanti...

Mike.
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Dear Veena,
It is nice to be clear and frank in your expression but without being rude ,
snobish and egoistic. If one is humble in ones expression and also shows respect
to the values and ideas of others people will not scare away from you but would
love your frankness and clarity of thoght. It is not always the case that they
would agree with you but would certainly give a thought to what you say, if the
message is given in a right manner. If one has the right attitude and is
respectful to others, no matter whatever you communicate people will respect
your point of view. They would enjoy your company. So being humble and
respectful with right attitude is the answer., in my thinking.

Sader Pranam and warm regards
Kiran

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Dear Sadak,
Politeness, compassion and solitude is best. Many great men remained aloof from
society. Many remained silent in spite of abuses. See everyone as VASUDEVA.
There ends your problem
B.Sathyanarayan


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Madam,
What ever you may know (spiritually or otherwise) has to kept at the altar of
not-knowing.
Then your interaction with others will always be fresh, new. The ground of
interaction will always be fresh, new.
Knowing and still keeping a margin in your mind (that some other dimension of
knowledge can arise)
is a flight to ecstasy.
You will see that you have touched the frontiers of the mind, which is the
opening to the limitless.
Y V Chawla

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Dear Veenaji

Is it necessary to give your opinion to all those who are around you and those
opinions, may be when not asked for ?

warm regards,

Gokul

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