Wednesday, June 30, 2010

[gita-talk] Re: Equivalent Words in English for Sankalp etc.

 


Vasudeva Sarvam

What are the equivalent words in English for "Sankalp", "Iccha", "Chaahanaa",

"Manchaahi" and "Kaamanaa"? What are the differences between them, please help
clarify.
Thank you very much,
Most Humbly,
Sadhak

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Per what I understand, the definition for Sankalp as given by Pankaj Verma is inaccurate. The problem being 2 fold. The first one is that we are trying to define in english something that does not exist in the culture that is represented by that language. & since nothing like Sankalp exists in the culture, there was no need for a word that would define it. The 2nd problem is a simpler one, First we must know the basic meaning of Sankalp in Hindi, so it can be defined in english. Sankalp is a pledge, a commitment, an undertaking, a vow, which is made by a person making Ishwar a witness to it. It is much stronger than a resolution. Sankalp is at a much higher level, it involves & engages the person both at the physical, emotional, intellectual & spiritual level. Sankalp may be translated to any of the terms I just mentioned, but desire cannot be used as a synonym even if you so desire. Just like you cannot call a book a kettle.

Poonam Abbi

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Hare Rama - Hare Krishna !
 
The following Gita Slokas have immediately come to my mind and those are steps of senses that lead one from Sankalpa through Kaamanaa, and further up to Pranasyati:
 

DHYAYATO VISHAYAN PUMSAH

SANGASTE SHUUPA JAYATE

SANGAT SANJAYATHE KAMAH

KAMA KRODHA BIJAYATHE

 

KRODHAD BHAVATI SAMMOHAH

SAMMOHAT SMRITI VIBHRAMAH

SMRTI-BHRAMSAD BUDDHI-NASO

BUDDHI-NASAT PRANASYATI

 

Sankalp", =  Imagin

Iccha", =  liking

"Chaahanaa", =  desire, 

"Manchaahi" =  instinct

"Kaamanaa" = deep desire

Hare Rama - Hare Krishna !

K. Damodaran Nair
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saMkalpa is determination to do a job
Icchaa is a desire pertaining to Iha or a materialistic desire (English and othe rnon Indian languages do not distinguish between Aihika (materialistic) and adhi aatmika desires 
Chaahana is a Hindi verb, Hindi being the child of Persian Arabic and Praakriti. The first paart of this word is from Icchaa and the verb formation is Persian Hence it means desiring or even aspiring.
Man chaahi is yet another Hindi word and translates to desire of Mana (mind or psyche)
Kaamanaa begins with kaama desire but it really means Wish.

NOTE: SEVERAL INDIAN/SAMSKRITA WORDS DO NOT HAVE EQUIVALENT VOCABULARY IN NON INDIAN LANGUAGES. IT IS ESSENTIAL WE USE THE ORIGINAL SAMSKRITA WORD AS IT IS RATHER THAN TRANSLATING IT TO A WRONG WORD AND MISLEADING THE READER. THE WORD RELIGION IN ENGLISH HAS NO EQUIVALENT IN SAMSKRITA SINCE WE DO NOT USE RELIGION. OURS WAS DHARMA AND IT IS VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM RELIGION AND ITS BIGOTRY. PAAPA IN DHARMA IS NOT SIN OF RELIGION. SIN CONSISTS OF VIOLATING THAT RELIGIONS REGULATIONS. PAAPA IS CAUSING NEEDLESS INCONVENIENCE TO FELLOW BEINGS.

PLEASE NOTE THIS. ONE CAN NOT BE DHARMA NIRAPEKSHITA, RATHER A COUNTRY CAN BE RELIGION NIRAPEKSHA

KRISHNA

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Sir,
The practical meaning of all these words is related to psychological comfort, comfort through thought.
This comfort always arises from a sense of lack.
One takes this comfort as true and is caught.
Lack to fulfillment(comfort) is system generated movement from moment to moment.
Mind comes under the illusion that it can have a fulfilled state (psychologically comfortable), makes frantic efforts to reach.
Y V Chawla

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Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:55 pm
Resolve
RJK

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Shree Hari   Ram Ram 

KAAMNAA
-  Desire for sensual enjoyments and pleasures (pertaining to the body) and desire for hoarding - these are called "Kaamnaa" (Sensual Desires).


SANKALP -  dictionary meaning is strong intentions, will, resolves, aim. 

ICCHA  is Wish

Chaahanaa is liking something

Manchaahi is wanting things to happen according to your desires,  or what your mind wants. 

Meera Das,  Ram Ram 


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hello..
it means ur utmost desires..that u wish to achieve...or ur dreams.
Upasna Bembi

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Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:50 am
Dear Sadaks,
Sankalp means conveying. Example: You are conveying (Sankalp) something during yagna to dead parents, and it reaches like mobile SMS. Here that SMS (Sankalp) can be converted to any material form. But not our SMS.
Iccha Sakthi, Kriya Sakthi and 3rd one I dont remember. Iccha is trying for something physically or mentally.
Other 3 words you have mentioned if elaborated as per your posting, may be I can reply.
B.Sathyanarayan


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Hari Bol...

Well, Prabhuji, I am in no way qualified to answer this....so, just making an attempt to share my point of view. In my humble opinion, all the words other than "Sankalp" probably mean one and the same thing, dont you think? They all can be described by a single word "Desire".
"Sankalp" on the other hand, SEEM a little bit pure!

AH!! Another thought comes to mind. You see, all these are probably just words and could mean anything based on what exactly is the thing being desired! If a Jeev makes a Sankalp to attain Shri Hari, that is indeed where you would use a word Sankalp. However, In My Opinion, the same can be applicable to all the other words. Like "Meri icchaa to sirf Prabhu ka naam lene ki hai" or "Meri Chaahana sirf Shri Hari ke charanon ki hai" or "Meri Kaamanaa hai ki mai Shri Hari ko praapt ho jaaoon". Now, in this, Manchaahi may mean that something you are doing as per whatever you feel rather than following a path described by our saints or Shastras....

Well....I guess, I am just brainstorming...I hope no offense!

Hari Hari Bol....Radhey Radhey...Jai Shri Ram...Narayan Narayan...

Pankaj Verma


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[gita-talk] Re: Why is Tulasi Plant so dear to Lord Krishna? Please explain?

 

Dear Sadhakas,
Hare Krishna.
Tulasi plant is very dear to Lord Krishna. Would you be kind enough to explain all the reasons for that.
Thank you.
Hare Krishna.
Prasad.A.Iragavarapu,M.D


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Jai Shri Krishna,
 
i am forwarding an email i had received on Tulasi Mata a few years back. Tulsi mata is none other then Shri Lakshmi. According to history once when Shri Lakshmi after being born on earth, was returning to Vaikunth, Vishnu Bhagwan told her that a part of her would be represented on earth as Tulsiji. Subsequently after her departure her hair became Tulsiji.  i am sure someone can post the entire story. in my Guruji's ashram Tulsiji has grown spontaneously in almost every nook and corner. Even 2 Rudraksha trees which have been planted have grown although the ashram is on the outskirts of Mumbai and where the wheather is not so conducive to Rudraksha trees.
 
The Worshiping of Srimati Tulasi-devi

"Every home with a Tulasi plant is a place of pilgrimage, and no diseases,
messengers of Yama, the God of Death, can enter it."
Skandapurana 2, 4, 8, 13 Padmapurana Uttarakhanda

Wherever the aroma of Tulasi is carried by the wind, it purifies the
atmosphere and frees all animals from all baser tendencies."
Padmapurana, Uttarakhanda

"Vishnu, the Lord of the Three Worlds, takes up abode in the village or the
house where Tulasi is grown. In such a house no one suffers calamities like
poverty, illness or separations from dear ones." Padmapurana, Uttarakhanda,
6-24-31-32

Benefits of Worshiping Tulasi-devi

Although we can never fully describe the glories of Tulasi-devi, an eternal
associate of Lord Krsna. The scriptures give us a hint of the value of
worshiping her. The following list comes from the Padma Purana.

Tulasi is the essence of all devotional activities.

The leaves, flowers, roots, bark, branches, trunk, and shade of Tulasi-devi
are all spiritual.

One who with devotion applies the paste of Tulasi wood to the Deity of Krsna
will always live close to Krsna.
One who puts mud from the base of the Tulasi tree on his body and worships
the Deity of Lord Krsna gets the results of one hundred days worship each
day.

One who offers a Tulasi manjari to Lord Krsna gets the benefit of offering
all other varieties of flowers, and he goes to the abode of Krsna.
One who sees or comes near a house or garden where the Tulasi plant is
present gets rid of all his sinful reactions, including that of killing a
brahmana.

Lord Krsna happily lives in the house, town, or forest where Tulasi-devi is
present.

A house where Tulasi-devi is present never falls on bad times, and it
becomes purer than all holy places.

The fragrance of Tulasi-devi purifies all who smell it.

Lord Krsna and all the demigods live in a house where mud from the base of
the Tulasi tree is found.

Without Tulasi leaves, Lord Krsna does not like to accept flowers, food, or
sandalwood paste.

One who worships Lord Krsna daily with Tulasi leaves attains the results of
all kinds of austerity, charity, and sacrifice. In fact, he has no other
duties to perform, and he has realized the essence of the scriptures.
One who puts into his mouth or on his head Tulasi leaves that have been
offered to Lord Krsna attains Lord Krsna's abode.

In Kali-yuga, one who worships, remembers, plants, keeps, or performs
kirtana before Tulasi burns up all sinful reactions and quickly attains Lord
Krsna's abode.

One who worships Lord Krsna with Tulasi leaves releases all his ancestors
from the realm of birth and death.

One who remembers the glories of Tulasi or tells others about them will
never take birth again.

The Worship of Srimati Tulasi-devi

For devotees aspiring to enter the eternal realm of Vrindavan, service to
Vrinda-devi is essential. Srila Prabhupada stressed this by making Tulasi
puja a daily part of our morning program. Tulasi-devi is an expansion of
Vrinda-devi in this world. Every morning we pray to Vrinda-devi:

"ye tomara sarana loy tara vancha purna hoy krpa kori koro tare
vrndavana-vasi"

"Whoever takes shelter of you, all his desires are fulfilled and by your
mercy he becomes a resident of Vrndavana."

Srimati Tulasi-devi is worshiped in the morning, after mangala-arati, when
all the devotees should attend to her worship and circumambulation. First,
obeisances are offered to Tulasi-devi with the Tulasi pranama mantra.
Following, the Tulasi-puja-kirtana song is sung while Tulasi-devi is offered
incense, a ghee lamp, and flowers. When the song is finished, the assembled
devotees circumambulate Tulasi-devi four times, offering her water. During
the circumambulation we are chanting the mantra: yani kani ca papani
brahma-hatyadikani ca / tani tani pranasyanti pradaksinah pade pade.
Finally, we again offer obeisances with the Tulasi pranama mantra.

dhhananjay mehta

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(Kuala Lumpur, Feb 12, 2000 )

[On Advaita Acarya's Avirbhava Tithi, because Advaita Acarya called for the appearance of Lord Caitanya by offering Tulasi and water, Srila Gurudeva spoke on the glories of Tulasi.]
Prema Prayojana Prabhu: We have heard how, seeing the terrible condition of the world, Sri Advaita Acarya's heart was melting, feeling compassion for all the jivas. So He wanted to call Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu into this world. While He was thinking of how to do it, then, a verse from Srimad Gautamiya tantra came into His mind.

tulasi-dala-matrena
jalasya culukena va
vikrinite svam atmanam
bhaktebhya bhakta-vatsalah

In this verse, the Supreme Lord is saying, 'If someone worships Me with only the leaves of Tulasi and water, then 'svam atmanam', he purchases Me, My very self. Svam atmanam - my atma. Who is the atma of Sri Krishna? Srimati Radhika.
Srila Narayana Maharaja: Why is she the atma of Sri Krishna?
Prema Prayojana Prabhu: Because she is the life and soul of Krishna.
Srila Narayana Maharaja: We should satisfy Krishna, He gives Himself - as a property.
Prema Prayojana Prabhu: He can be purchased by those jivas who serve Vrnda Devi, and He can give to them the service of Srimati Radhika. Our Srila Visvanatha Cakravati Thakura has written so beautifully:

tvad ajnaya pallava-puspa-bhrnga
mrgadibhir madhava-keli-kunjah
madhvadibhir bhanti vibhusyamana
vrnde! numaste caranaravindam

We should know that all the pastimes of Krishna in Vraja are arranged by Yogamaya, Paurnamasi. But she has one special department, and her manifestation for that department is Vrnda. Vrnda Devi is a very dear sakhi, and she is in charge of one special department of Krishna's lila-nikunja-lila - the very sweet, amorous and confidential pastimes of Radha and Krishna in the groves of Vrindavan.
Tvad ajnaya pallava-puspa bhrnga, "By the order of Vrnda Devi, Vrindavana looks beautiful, as if decorated with all the qualities of the spring season. By her order the flowers blossom and spread their fragrance everywhere, the wind blows, the bumble bees are maddened and intoxicated by the sweet honey of the lotus flowers, and they are buzzing here and there. The peacocks are dancing, and deer are also dancing here and there. So, by the grace of Vrnda Devi, on her order, Vrindavana becomes so beautiful and provides the most wonderful playground and setting for Radha and Krishna's lilas."
Srila Narayana Maharaja: Krishna always sees Himself indebted to Vrnda. She serves in such a way, with all paraphernalia, that Krishna always thinks that He cannot repay her. So if anyone gives Tulasi to Krishna, He becomes shy; and He thinks that, "He has purchased Me." You can also make an experiment and test whether it is right or wrong. You should give water to Tulasi and her leaves at the lotus feet of Krishna. And if you offer anything, you should put tulasi leaves on each preparation. Then He surely accept and be happy, and then He will try and please that devotee. He will say, "What do you want? What do you want?" So you should all try and worship Tulasi. Daily you should give water and offer a lamp. You should circumambulate four times and sing the tulasi arati.
Prema Prayojana Prabhu: Krishna is always eager to meet with Srimati Radhika. Srila Visvanatha Cakravati Thakura has written;

tvadiya-dutyena nikunja-yunor
atyutkayoh keli-vilasa-siddhih
tvat-saubhagam kena nirucyatam tad
vrnde! numaste caranaravindam

Who can enumerate the glories and good fortune of Vrnda Devi? It is by her acting as a messenger that Radha and Krishna are able to meet. Krishna is so indebted to her. Anyone, therefore, who worships Vrnda Devi, Krishna will think, "How can I repay them? You have purchased Me by your service to Vrnda Devi." So Advaita Acarya has established this siddhanta and this very wonderful rapid progress in bhakti to the service of Sri Radha and Krishna.
Srila Narayana Maharaja: If anyone wants to have love and service to Radha-Krishna conjugal, they must worship Tulasi, and very easily they can be benefited. If one doesn't have prema but he is offering Tulasi, will Krishna accept his offering or not? If Tulasi is given, it means everything has been given - and Krishna must accept.
Prema Prayojana Prabhu: If he is offering Tulasi and he has no guru, Krishna will still accept?
Syamarani dasi: Krishna will be pleased and send a guru
Srila Narayana Maharaja: If Tulasi is given then Krishna will have to accept - guru or no guru. You will have to reconcile it. Krishna will take the person's sraddha. So it will be beneficial; it will not go in vain. You will have to reconcile it. Whether there is a guru or no guru, if you are chanting the holy name, will there be effect or not? There will be so many results. You can go to Svarga; you can have a very elevated position in this world; you can go to Vaikuntha - so many things. If there is no sadhu sanga and you are chanting, what will be the result?
Prema Prayojana Prabhu: From that chanting sadhu sanga will come.
Srila Narayana Maharaja: Yes. It will be beneficial in so many ways. It will not go in vain. If you are offering anything along with Tulasi, even there is no guru, if there is sraddha, then because of that sraddha, Krishna will gradually bring that person in line. You cannot say that if one is offering Tulasi, but there is no prema, Krishna will not accept. Otherwise all sastra will be useless. If anyone is not chanting the holy name with love and affection, will there be any effect or not?
Radhanatha Prabhu: Yes, he will get sukriti.
Srila Narayana Maharaja: Not only sukriti.
Radhanatha Prabhu: With that sukriti he will get sadhu sanga.
Srila Narayana Maharaja: The birth of sukriti.

jayati jayati namananda-rupam murare-
viramita-nija-dharma-dhyana-pujadiyatnam
katham api sakrdattam muktidam praninam yat
paramamrtam ekam jivanam bhusanam me
(Sri Brhad-Bhagavatamrtam 1.9, Sanatan Gosvami)

"All glories, all glories to Krishna-Murari's name, the embodiment of divine bliss! It halts the cycle of birth and death and relieves one of all painful endeavors in practicing religion, meditation, charity, deity worship, and austerity. It awards liberation to one who utters it even once. Krishna-nama stands alone as the supreme nectar and sole treasure of my life."
These are related to Krishna: Tulasi, Yamuna, Ganges, Mahaprasadam, Nama and so on. Somehow it touches anyone - even persons like Jagai and Madai. So you cannot explain like that.
Gaura premanande!

Isa das

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010

[gita-talk] Re: Equivalent Words in English for Sankalp etc.

 

Vasudeva Sarvam

What are the equivalent words in English for "Sankalp", "Iccha", "Chaahanaa",

"Manchaahi" and "Kaamanaa"? What are the differences between them, please help
clarify.
Thank you very much,
Most Humbly,
Sadhak

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Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:55 pm
Resolve
RJK

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Shree Hari   Ram Ram 

KAAMNAA
-  Desire for sensual enjoyments and pleasures (pertaining to the body) and desire for hoarding - these are called "Kaamnaa" (Sensual Desires).


SANKALP -  dictionary meaning is strong intentions, will, resolves, aim. 

ICCHA  is Wish

Chaahanaa is liking something

Manchaahi is wanting things to happen according to your desires,  or what your mind wants. 

Meera Das,  Ram Ram 


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hello..
it means ur utmost desires..that u wish to achieve...or ur dreams.
Upasna Bembi

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Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:50 am
Dear Sadaks,
Sankalp means conveying. Example: You are conveying (Sankalp) something during yagna to dead parents, and it reaches like mobile SMS. Here that SMS (Sankalp) can be converted to any material form. But not our SMS.
Iccha Sakthi, Kriya Sakthi and 3rd one I dont remember. Iccha is trying for something physically or mentally.
Other 3 words you have mentioned if elaborated as per your posting, may be I can reply.
B.Sathyanarayan


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Hari Bol...

Well, Prabhuji, I am in no way qualified to answer this....so, just making an attempt to share my point of view. In my humble opinion, all the words other than "Sankalp" probably mean one and the same thing, dont you think? They all can be described by a single word "Desire".
"Sankalp" on the other hand, SEEM a little bit pure!

AH!! Another thought comes to mind. You see, all these are probably just words and could mean anything based on what exactly is the thing being desired! If a Jeev makes a Sankalp to attain Shri Hari, that is indeed where you would use a word Sankalp. However, In My Opinion, the same can be applicable to all the other words. Like "Meri icchaa to sirf Prabhu ka naam lene ki hai" or "Meri Chaahana sirf Shri Hari ke charanon ki hai" or "Meri Kaamanaa hai ki mai Shri Hari ko praapt ho jaaoon". Now, in this, Manchaahi may mean that something you are doing as per whatever you feel rather than following a path described by our saints or Shastras....

Well....I guess, I am just brainstorming...I hope no offense!

Hari Hari Bol....Radhey Radhey...Jai Shri Ram...Narayan Narayan...

Pankaj Verma


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[gita-talk] Why is Tulasi Plant so dear to Lord Krishna? Please explain?

 

Dear Sadhakas,
Hare Krishna.
Tulasi plant is very dear to Lord Krishna. Would you be kind enough to explain all the reasons for that.
Thank you.
Hare Krishna.
Prasad.A.Iragavarapu,M.D


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[gita-talk] Equivalent Words in English for Sankalp etc.

 

Vasudeva Sarvam

What are the equivalent words in English for "Sankalp", "Iccha", "Chaahanaa", "Manchaahi" and "Kaamanaa"? What are the differences between them, please help clarify.
Thank you very much,
Most Humbly,
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Monday, June 28, 2010

[gita-talk] Re: Give Up Your Insistence - Does it Still Apply?

 

QUESTION:
Reading the last paragraph- if your children like to drink(SOCIALLY i.e. Without
destructive behavior) and you wish they do NOT drink ".

In this case does your STATEMENT

"You want that at home the son and the wife do as you like. Brothers and
friends, listen and follow your advice. Mother and father also do things
according to your liking. This point is extremely destructive. It will not let
you realize God, and you will go to hell. There is no doubt in this. It is a
very destructive thing!"

STILL APPLIES?
K. Patel

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ADDITIONAL QUESTION:  
Pranaam Respected Gurubandhu!
 
i had a question, what if we expect our friends to be patriotic, honest, hardworking etc. is this not an incorrect expectation? If we give up expectations then how will employees function as required? what if the student is not behaving as per the teachers expectation, the wife to the husbands and behaves immorally, the soldier to the generals command etc.
 
please advise.
 
regards
ajeya
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Insistence is an out of ego. Ego means 'I' comes in and God goes out. 
A.K.Mukhi 

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Insistence means I enters, and wherever I enters, then GOd moves out of the inner space of an individual,

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Shree Hari  Ram Ram 
 
Insistence is a very subtle form of desire.... Swamiji says...giving up one's insistence is key to Art of Living. It is main reason for nrest and disharmony in fmaily life and this world at large .  Meera Das, Ram Ram
 
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Insistence, unhappiness … social relevance … 

Before jumping to conclude upon the rest of the article, one has to focus on the pre-amble Swamiji has set very clearly:  

As long as a man does not leave this insistence – "whatever my mind wishes that should happen", till then, he will not attain peace. He will continue to burn within, he will continue to suffer and he will continue to be dependent. 

This is absolutely right in spite of whether the attitude is backed up by religious reverence, socio-economic relevance, room for survival, etc. … the insistence from within is THE ONLY SHACKLE that binds one into the piths of misery. The less insistent one is, the more happy one will be. That is the foundation for FREEDOM from within. We have a wrong notion that freedom is something that is determined by our environment and complain that "I am not allowed to do that and do this etc." blaming the same on the perceived constraints posed by the environment. But, the fact is, (1) we are wasting time as we can never dictate terms to the world how it should behave; (2) even if the environment appears to listen to one's insistence, it is making the fellow more vulnerable and dependent in the very response; (3) in any case, we develop strong dependence in the very insistence that the world - be it your son, wife, or anything else - should behave as we want. 

Why insistence from within blocks us from our birth right for freedom? The reasons are very clear. 
(1) The insistence has successfully imprisoned the individual within its cage to an extent that the fellow cannot even imagine anything otherwise as a possible soultion!
(2) The insistence is trying to bind the world around which has its own agenda to pursue and therefore most probably would no heed to an individual's insistence unless the fellow is clever enough to align one's insistence with the world's agenda. 
(3) The insistence from within exposes the individual to an infinitude of insistences back from the world binding the very insistence into its own reality. 

As a result, the insistence that rose to promote the hegemony of the individual exposes the fellow's vulnerability. It throws the fellow into the stark reality of how limited and constrained the very insistence is. Not knowing anything else, the fellow feels frustrated, conquered, and ignored. A clever fellow would try to align the insistence along with the world's agenda and try to feel satisfied that his/her insistence succeeded. But, in reality, the insistence remains no more an insistence on the world in such case ... but, verily remains a massive insistence on one's own ignorance lost in the slimy mass of cleverness! The pretentious fellow is bound to see the reality and disillusioned. 

THEREFORE, THE ONLY POSSIBILITY OF FREEDOM IS TO DROP DEPENDENCE ON INSISTENCE FROM WITHIN. ONCE ONE IS NOT BOUND FROM WITHIN, NOTHING IN THE WORLD CAN BIND THE FELLOW ANYMORE. 

Even if we come to the point the questioner is raising "should I insist my son not to drink or not", the fact stated above remains solid and clear. The very hint that your son may drink causes sleepless nightmares within you. Whether your son listens to your insistence or not ... if the son rebels and goes in completely opposite direction ...  the miseries within multiply exponentially. 

The socio-political relevance and importance for such stand is a completely different issue. Being unhappy due to insistence is CERTAIN irrespective of its social, religious, economic and political stature … because, the very insistence is nothing but UNHAPPINESS. 

Respects.

Naga Narayana.
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Dear Sadaks,
If you want everyone to listen to your liking and behave, you are getting attached to them and detaching from God.
B.Sathyanarayan


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Vasudeva Sarvam

K Patel Mahodev, you have combined two things. One is salvation (Realization of Truth, God Realization) and the other is protecting the children from intoxicating drinks and their bad influence. Brother, in saving the children from the bad influences of anything, you are not doing what your mind wants, rather you are doing what they want. How? Understand this – they too want that the bad influences of intoxicants do not control, however, they are unable to do so, and you are helping them in doing so, therefore it is their own wishes, not your own wishes.

So be it,

Most Humbly,

A Sadhak

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Shree Hari  Ram Ram

Swamiji's focus in most discourses is our own self.  He often mentioned, the minute we focus on someone else's behavior, conduct, duty,  etc.  we are straying away from our duty.  therefore I can only speak from that angle.  Our nature is that we likes to fulfill our wishes.  When
things happen according to the way we want, we feel happy.At the heart of this is what ever my mind wishes  that should happen. Swamiji says, this is not something that one should feel good about. If we give up the insistence of our mind, and if we do what others wish, then we will become gratified for life. Only two things we have to watch out for, that whatever others are
asking us to do is rightful and just (nyaayukt) and we have the ability to fulfill that desire. For this, there is a straightforward solution. Just decide once and for all, that
we are not going to take anything from this world – we are only going to serve this world. The reason to serve this world is because we have taken a lot from this world in the past, so now it is time to
give back in return. We have to give the world, not take from it.  Simple as that! 
Sorry!  didn't quite answer your question, but do your duty by telling your son etc, but give up any insistence. 


Meera Das,  Ram Ram 

|| Shree Hari ||
Ram Ram
24th June 2010, Thursday, Jyeshth Shukla Trayodashi, Guruvar

Vikram Samvat 2067,Sri Krishna Samvaat 5236
An Easy Means to Salvation - Give Up Your Insistence (Obstinacy, Self-Will)

Try to do what is on others mind. Be aware of what the other person wants from
us and as far as possible, attempt to fulfill what the other person wants. The
thoughts that are on the other person's mind can be of two kinds -
1) Pure and 2) Impure. It is not necessary to fulfill those wants which are
impure; because there is no benefit to the other person in doing so. If his
want is pure, and his interest and inclination is good, then fulfilling it is
our duty. The second point is that his desire is pure, but it's fulfillment is
beyond our capabilities, and we are unable to fulfill these, then for these
requests simply ask for forgiveness, saying - I will be unable to do this work
as it is beyond my capabilities. I do not have the money, the strength, the
knowledge, the capability, the rights and abilities. However, if you have the
capability then, to the extent possible fulfill his request.

Gita tells about renouncing desires. Just like the inner sentiments such as -
I must get this much money, I must be heard by others such that they listen to
me – these itself are "desires". Pay very close attention. as a point has come
to my mind. I studied, listened to many lectures, read books, reflected and
contemplated deeply on the messages, and also began to give discourses. At that
time I thought – what exactly is desire? It came to my understanding that
desire for money-wealth, desire for sense pleasures, desire for name and fame,
etc these were all desires. I thought about renouncing these desires and came
up with few classifications and ways to renounce these. However, I am sharing
with you now what I gathered after many years . I am telling this to you
because if you pay attention then today itself these points will be understood.

What I have received over the last few years is this - "Whatever my mind wishes
that must happen" this is a desire. As long as a man does not leave this
insistence – "whatever my mind wishes that should happen", till then, he will
not attain peace. He will continue to burn within, he will continue to suffer
and he will continue to be dependent.

It is a very sad thing that nowadays the opposite point is being applied. If
whatever I wish happens, it means I have become independent – such a false
notion exists these days. There appears to be rest and relaxation when others
satisfy our wishes. On the contrary this is a great misfortune! It appears as
independence and freedom however, it is great dependence. It is something that
one needs to pay extra-attention to. It is for this reason I am telling you
that even though I was giving lectures for many years, it was not understood by
me. You want that at home the son and the wife do as you like. Brothers and
friends, listen and follow your advice. Mother and father also do things
according to your liking. This point is extremely destructive. It will not let
you realize God, and you will go to hell. There is no doubt in this. It is a
very destructive thing!

From book "Saadhan, Sudha, Sindhu" in Hindi 181 by Swami Ramsukhdasji.

The same message is available in HINDI titled "Manchaahi ka Tyaag" at:

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