Shree Hari Ram Ram
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Gita is the only Scripture perhaps which does not distinguish between caste, creed, colour, country etc and is universally applicable to all JEEVAS (humans) of the earth. There is no insistence in Gita of any particular 'ism' or 'sect' ! Gita is meant for every human being. If you are a human being, Gita is for you- irrespective of how, where, what you are !
Jai Shree Krishna
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Shree Hari Ram Ram
In Gita there is no mention of the word Hindu or Hindu Dharma . IF there were any topics related to any sect or race then it could be said that Gita is for "so and so" and not for all beings. Gita is for all of mankind. The word "Dharma" means "Duty" that is applicable to all, but mistakenly majority just call it "dharma". So be it,
It is to be expressed as Bagavath Geetha instead of short form Geetha while trying to know essence of it. Bible, Quran, Buddhism, Jainism are all for welfare of Humans at Large not for particular caste or creed. In these scripts most matters are common. Bible: Love they neighbor as they self. Quran: treat everyone alike, even to beggar do not give old things. Buddhism: Love all living as you would love yourself. Jainism: Be kind even to yourself first and more kind to others. In Bagavath Geetha all these are said with very high clarity. Now one may ask, why Bagavan Krishna wanted to wage war, killing so many? But in Bible it is not so. There also in chirstian testaments, it is said of savior punishment of Judgment day- Chirst cursing a tree to go on flames that not yielded fruits. Cursing tree that too. HE was right. Buddha also cursed a bad king and looked with disgust on Devadhata (His brother in law).Like this, one can find similarity on truth, robbery, murder etc. But in Bagavath Geetha, Bagavan actually compressed all 108 unpanashids. Just look at it like this: The people in India in those old days were mainly Hindus. These people had climatic, chemical composition of earth, environment Etc conducive to do meditation. Few among them obtained enormous celestial powers to travel in the whole universe and beyond, know the past, good and evil, past-present-
Gita's Principles are for everyone in this world irrespect of any caste. It is not restricted to any religion. In fact, what I believe, every holy book has its own principle. So one should try to read these if possible.
Is Gita for Humanity at large or Hindus only? Is it for any caste within Hindus?
It must depend on what is mentioned in it. I'm asking this question because I
know very little about the Gita. There are some spiritual books and practices
which are limited to a particular caste within a religion or require conversion,
therefore I am seeking clarification with this question.
Sri Ram Balu
Dear Gita scholaras,
No where in Bhagwat Gita has the word "Hindu" occured. No where have the word "Dharma" meaning RELIGION come up, though the words Karma & Dharma have been used with about 30 or so different meanings in the Bhagwad gita .
the advice is meant for the humanity. There were no religions, so to say, at that time when the Gita was narrated. No where has Lord said specifically,
He has only shown the way. He has time & again said " Use your intellect and decide. "
It is for us to follow the teachings and benefit from them. Good luck good reading...
Ram Ram ; Suhas Gogate
Gita is teaching us what our true identity is, what this world we live in is, and what God is experiencially. Then It teaches us how to get there. In Gita , Lord Krishna need not be considered historical figure, even though he was. He is Pure Consciousness which we all share or rather are! An individual thinks in ignorance that his/her identity is body just by thinking and believing it to be true. These beliefs in turn become Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Indians, Chinees, Europeans etc etc. Thses condition/limits us and result into suffering as we know well.
So to be happy we need to be free from false identifications regardless of our castes, religions, nationalities, and other such identities. This is Gita's teaching in summary. Therefore it is for all mankind, those of us who want to be happy, peaceful, loving human beings. Since it is not restricted to Hindus, it cannot be restricted to any castes.
One suggestion: Gita can be best understood in its true spirit by such well versed/realized teachers as Swami Ramsukhdasji or others rather than reading only which is the next best thing.
THE LORD KRISHNA(NARAYAN)
Let us also look at some verses from Shri Geeta. Ch15V7 - The LORD says - All the life (human, animals, plants and so on) in this world are only MY Eternal Very Own Part (ansha). He does not say All Hindu or All Brahmins of India or Delhi but He says ....Jeeva Lokay Jeeva Bhutah, which means All Life in this WORLD.
Shri Geeta is for anyone and every one who want to attain the prime objective of birth (coming into this world).
With very kind regards,
existent for long time. At that time there were no religions or
castes. This knowledge got lost with time and HE imparted this
knowledge again to humanity via Arjuna.
In Chapter 9, v-32 Lord assures members of Vashya and Shudra caste as
well as women and any one else who may think that they are not
eligible to recieve Gitaji's teachings, He says, as long as they
surrender to HIM they will attain him just like Brahmins,the Pure
ones and Rajrishis etc (Ch9, v-33).
Lord also describes who is not to be told about Gitaji. Ch 18, v 67
describes the type of person who is not an ADHIKARI of being told
about the knowledge in Gitaji.
Several verses throughout Gita describe the qualifications of a
devotee. Too many verses to enumerate. Basic message from all thsoe
verses is that if you offer all your actions and thoughts to me than
you are my true bhakta. Nowhere does HE say this knowledge is only
for Hindus. HE always uses the terms Manushyanam, Jiwanam,
Sarvabhutanam etc. Many people around the world from all different
religions and countries have approached Gitaji with Shraddha and have
benefitted from It's teachings.
Srimad Bhagvat Gita (song of God) is for everyone.
So please start reading instead of wasting valuable time in irrelevant questions. (If you believe it is for particular caste or religion then also you are not going to loose any thing)
Gita is a manual for human beings.
If you understand and progress to surrendering to Krishna (bhakti) then you will guide rest of humanity about sweetness of Gita.
My intentions are not telling you any thing about Gita but to remove the obstacles you are facing to start reading Gita. Already you wasted time, do not waste anymore.
Hope this helps.
GOvind Madhav Das
Priya Bandhujan and Bhaginya
I am giving the views on Gita based on my views and my foul mind's understanding of the holy scriptures. Hope you will forgive and bless and grace me for my mistakes.
Gita is not only for Hindus or any caste within Hindus,its for the entire Humanity,even thats the matter of Reading and/or Purpose.
Consider Holy Vedas, only Dvijya can read the Holy Vedas no one else,But Vedas are for the sake of entire Shrishti.
But Gita is a part of Mahabharatha which is one of the ITIHASA, (there are two ITIHASAS,one is Valmiki Ramayan and other is Mahabharatha.
Entire humanity has got the right to read the ITIHASAS according to Holy SMRITIES.
So no matter who you are,which religion you follow you can read The Holy Gita and attain the God by adopting the way described in Gita.
Seeking forgiveness for my mistakes.
I too beleive that dear sir, that the Bhagwat-gita is for everybody...
This is very popular opinion that Gita is for anyone and everyone and is not restricted to any religion. It feels nice, but the reality is that Gita is a text of Sanatana Dharma and useful for followers of Sanatana Dharma. The principles laid in the Gita do not belong to a Christian or Jew person. One of the founding thought of Gita is reincarnation which no Abrahimic religions believe in. Another is therory of Karma and Dharma, which are unknown to many other religions. At the most one can say that Gita is a book for Dharmic religions. You see now you can say Oh! other religions do not know that but it belongs to them too. That is a same argument made by other religions that Hindus just do not know but Jesus is the God and only through him the salvation. Now does Gita have verses which are compatible with other relgions and thus apply to followers of other religions? Sure. But then there are many things in the Bible, Quran, Torah which apply to Hindus too. Regards,
Jai Shri Krishna
1st of all I would like to say Jai Shri Krishna In hindu DHARMA there is no special place for any one. Any one can read any holy book. It is not limited to Pandits and Brahmins.
Jai Shri Krishna
Anil Anand Pathak
I don't know which reading you follow, but Gita is Universal - Eternal. It is not limited to Hindus or limited to any caste within Hindu. It is for the entire humankind...