|| Shree Hari ||
II 2:32 II
yadrucchaya chopapannam, svarga-dvaaram apaavrutam
sukhinah kshatriyaah partha, labhante yuddham idruhsam
"A righteous war throws open the gates of heaven to all the warrior
class participating in it. Only a blessed few, even among
Kashatriyas, will have such a golden opportunity offered to them. "
From Gita Prabodhani in Hindi pg. 41 by Swami Ramsukhdasji
Yadruchchaya = by itself / by will of God
Cha = and
Upapannam = come
Svarga-dvaaram = the gate of the heaven
Apaavrutam = opened
KshatriyaaH = warriors
Paartha =O Arjuna!
Labhante = obtain
Yuddham = battle
Iidrusham = such
O Arjuna, happy are the warriors, who get such a battle that comes
unsought as an open gateway to the heaven.
In Sanskrit language, the definition of a `Kshatriya' i.e. a warrior
is `YaH Kshataat Traayate SaH KshatriyaH' i.e. a person who protects
the masses from the injuries, pains and sorrows arising due to
lawlessness and misrule in a society and a nation.
`Swadharma' i.e. innate nature of a warrior is to protect the good,
to destroy the wicked and to establish superiority of righteousness
over the unrighteousness.
A person who saves mankind from destruction is a `Kshatriya' i.e. a
warrior. Kshatriya is not a caste or a creed in India. A person who
has a mental capability, physical capacity coupled with a lasting
enthusiasm and a burning desire to defend the weak and the poor,
besides the preservation of traditional culture and territorial
integrity and sovereignty of a nation against all acts of
aggression, is called a `Kshatriya' i.e. a true warrior.
A warrior is never content with domestic pleasures and comforts. He
is the first person to stand up against the unrighteousness and
fight against all the evil and wicked forces, till either he gets
killed in the process or succeeds in the battle and upholds the
A true warrior's intrinsic nature makes him an ideal candidate for
fighting in a battle. It does not imply that a warrior always seeks
enmity, creates hatred and initiates a fight without a rhyme or a
reason. However, whenever a righteous war is inevitable as the last
option, a warrior is always ready to face such challenges in life. A
true warrior should readily avail of every such opportunity to fight
an unsought and righteous war. The ultimate fruit of action, of
fulfilling obligatory duties to a society and a nation, is the
attainment of the heaven for a true warrior.
Please refer verse 32/65 in Udyogaparva of Mahaabhaarata wherein it
is stated, "Oh thou best of men, there are only two types of persons
who pierce the constellation of the Sun and attain unity with the
Brahman; a Sannyaasee who is deeply stepped in Yoga and a Kshatriya
who succumbs to death while fighting in the battlefield.
Also please refer verse 72/18 in Udyogaparva of Mahaabhaarata
wherein it is stated, "The sin that is committed by killing one who
does not deserve to be killed is as great as the sin of not killing
one who deserves to be killed."
In the case of Arjuna, the 13 years of trials and tribulations in
the exile are over and a fresh new lease of life has been unleashed.
Arjuna ought to rise to the occasion and seize the opportunity to
excel in demonstrating his true mettle, in such a unique and
wonderful situation. For Arjuna, diffidence and despondency are
totally out of place at this juncture, when the tide of fortune is
on the ascent for him.
The tide of fortune and the opportune moments come to one and all,
which are in conformity with the theory of evolution in the ascent
of man. Blessed are those who utilise such advantages, however, not
for selecting the option of `Preyas' i.e. for satisfying selfish
desires and aggrandisement, but for selecting the option of
`Shreyas' i.e. what ought to be done in every challenging situation,
without bothering about a favourable outcome, irrespective of
personal likes and dislikes.
Lord Krishna draws attention of Arjuna to the divine role that he
ought to perform and reprimands him for the dishonourable stance
that Arjuna has taken at the very crucial moment in the royal
Please refer the verse 5 in chapter 16 in Shreemad Bhagawad Geeta,
where in Lord Krishna has boosted the self confidence in Arjuna by
declaring, "The divine nature is deemed for liberation from the
cycle of unending births and deaths, while the demoniac nature is
deemed for perpetual bondage. O Arjuna, please do not grieve, as you
are born of divine nature and you have been selected to perform a
divine role by the will of the Supreme Being."
Thanks & Best Regards,
Thank you for maintaining the momentum of the meaningful dialogue.
In response to your observations, I would like to submit as follows;
In Sanskrit language, 'Maanasa' has two meanings. One is of mental
origin and the other one is the famous glacier in the Himaalayas.
means ice and Aalaya means home.
In a poetic form, "Ramate Na Eva Hansasya Maanasam Maanasam Vinaa"
i.e. The mind of a Hansa bird is not interested in anything else but
the famous Maanasa glacier.
By the way, the famous German airline is named Lufthansa i.e. Air-
born Hansa bird. Luft mean Air in German language.
As illustrated in chapter 10 of Shreemad Bhagawad Geeta, Lord Krishna
has described, "Mad BhaavaaH MaanasaaH JaataaH, Yeshaam Loka ImaaH
PrajaaH" i.e. all beings in the Universe have My mental origin and
the human beings are the sons of those fourteen sons i.e. Manus, who
were in turn sired by the seven Sages.
In Sanskrit language, 'Maanava' means belonging to or related to King
Manu. Therefore, son of King Manu is called as 'Maanava'.
It is the progression of every being from Markata (monkey) to Maanava
(human being) to Maadhava (Lord Vishnu).
The rudderless, unhindered play of human mind is equated with 'Markat
CheshtaaH' i.e. monket tricks.
The cold blooded, merciless, intellectual play of a human being
leads to hegemony and tyrannical rule.
When the trio of physical body, mind and intellect is singularly
focussed on the the Self then and then only, a human being attains
the state of 'Maadhava'.
Now coming back to your question, "Is there not a danger of
rationalizing profundity, with science?"
I fully appreciate comments from Shri Vyasaji today. The full and
final truth is indeed 'VaasudevaH Sarvam'. As a student of science,
having belief in the building block theory, as on todate, this can
be equated with E=m C squared. Tomorrow another 'Albert Einstein
Plus' will come up with yet another superior equation based of
modern String Theory and we will go through such updates for time to
Therefore, let us continue the phase of 'Tushyanti Cha Ramanti Cha".
Thanks & Best Regards,
I believe we may have the makings of a meaningful dialogue.
Reflecting on your statement pasted below:
'The mind needs the rudder of the intellect, without which it goes
helter skelter. The intellect does not get focussed on gross level.
It needs the subtlest of the subtle entity the Aatman to focus.
Under the presence, supervision and the guidance of the Aatman, the
trio of the....'
I will paste in a version of Bhagavad Gita CH. 10. 9 -
Macchittaa madgatapraanaa bodhayantah parasparam;
Kathayantashcha maam nityam tushyanti cha ramanti cha.
(ramanti seems to have various translations)
CH :9 With their minds and lives entirely absorbed in me,
enlightening each other and always speaking of me, they are satisfied
You notice Shri Krishna talks of the 'mind' being absorbed in the
'Divine Beloved', plus of course lives and talk, a sort of positive
feedback, round and round, to one assumes a sort of divine tipping
point,(avalanche affect), is reached. Is intellect involved? I am
not sure, but never the less juxtaposed to this, see the paste from
the book 'The Cosmic Game',(Lila?
not yet met a single individual who has had a deep experience of the
transcendental realms and continue to subscribe to the world view of
western materialistic science. This development is quite independent
of the level of intelligence, type and degree of education, and the
professional credentials of the individuals involved...]
Is there not a danger of rationalizing profundity, with science?
Dear Sadhaks this is to me, a wonderful opportunity of divine
With Respect and Divine Love,
Your comment on the Mind/Intellect, and the role of ATMAN,
is the best I have read, you did deal with the same subject some time
back, I was a little perplexed by it, either you have done a better
job this time, or I am starting gain some wisdom, or maybe a bit of
both, whatever. But I would encourage all Sadhaks who are a little
fogy in this area, (like me), to read these comments with care.
My reference to science and the spiritual, is that it is easy to see
things backwards, 'cart before horse'. Swami Vivekananda predicted
the coming of wireless telegraphy, by his understanding of the
universe, through the 'The science of Yoga',as he referred to Yoga.
A friend of mine many years ago said, "I couldn't believe what I was
reading, he,(Swami Vivekananda)
relativity years before it came to light".
So I would say we are of one accord, Science, lags the 'Ancient
In passing Shrikant Joshi, pointed me to Bhagavad Gita 10.9, I think
this has had a positive outcome.
With Respect and Divine Love,
Brother Mike ! The beauty of Gitaji is that acts as a mirror also !
As is our belief, so does it manifest itself. I read your message,
as usual with interest. Without interfering into your joy of BG
10:9 , let me state that the joy envisaged there, does not result
by mind or intellect getting absorbed in Divine. Being inert and
active, they can not reach Divine at all. They can focus
themselves , however, as a child focuses its sight on Moon, unable
to reach there. The joy arises because of their remaining in
equanimous state. On one hand they do not have any desires of
world , having understood the futility thereof. On other hand, they
cant reach THAT element which is even beyond their own very cause-
NATURE ! Hence the mind/intellect do not have any option but to slip
into silence/stability/ motionless . The reference by Shrikantji of
Atman being the ultimate guide to mind/intellect should be
understood only with reference to Atman itself getting absorbed in
Divine, being part of Divine itself. Once the Master ( Atman) is on
one path, the servants ( mind/intellect) MUST follow him, as a
law ! His views should not be extended to mean that Atman gives
directions to mind/intellect. It can not do so ! It is not empowered
to do so ! Hence falling of mind/intellect into an
verses including in 10:9 referred by you. That state of inert is
referred in Holy Gita to be the end of INERT ! That also addresses
your distinction between mind and intellect. Note also, that while
Raaj Yoga ( Meditation) emphasises upon the stability of mind, but
Gitaji emphasises upon the stability of intellect. In a stable
intellect, equanimity and Viveka shine.
As regards reconciling Science and Spirituality , I must hesitate
to state ( not being a student of science at all ) that till
Science comes out with a conclusion that there is nothing existing
in the universe except Paramatma, (No gas, no liquid, no solid, no
matter) and that the same element is reflecting / manifesting
itself in different forms based on the perceptions of the perceiver,
I am afraid, the journey of Science will not be over. What
conclusions can be arrived at when some one takes as basis a thing
which actually does not exist at all ? There is one idiom in Hindi
" ANDHE KO ANDHERE MAIN BADI DOOR KI SOOJHI" ( A blind man in
darkness has seen something which is far away! ) That is how the
science is going- the modern science. In Gita : Science ( Vigyaan)
has been defined to be " VASUDEVA SARVAM' ( All is Brahman) !!
Jai Shree Krishna
Vyas N B
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i would like to ask these great ones, is it a crime to be in love?
Not only being in love alone, but with some one that has a family,
what do you think of a woman who is in love with a man that has a
family? do you think the woman is committing any sins? as they say
love is blind and we are all human, so as the great ones in sadhak_
insight, can you give any explanation for this act of human, is it
normal or is it a sin?
Shree Hari Ram Ram
Feedback on Future Questions to be Addressed by Group -
Beauty of Gitaji is to answer all questions by bringing back the
spirituality in daily life. Why do we have to divide life into
spiritual life, social life, family life etc etc?
Why to break that Holistic approach which is the solution to our
problems of such divisions? Also some apparent solutions may not be
directly addressed in Gita but learned Sadhakas may have experienced
in different ways, so what is wrong to help someone?
Gitaji has all answers but to dig them out in proper context, and to
make them applicable in a given situation is an art we are all
learning. Pratap Bhatt
For the time being, we will post similar types of questions,
provided questioner (sadhak) commits to reading the Gita, and shares
feedback from sadhak responses received.
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There were couple-few in this responses who have pointed finger at
Krishna, fine, if they want to compare themselves with Krishna,
let's straighten few things:- Krishna, even as a human being, was
such an elevated soul that before even entering his mother&
miracles were happening, is it true for you?
- Krishna lived with Gopies-Gopas and all other men-women of Gokul
only up to the age of 10 or 11 (not even teenage, someone can
correct this), then is this love a physical
- When in youth, women wanted to marry him and that was the
custom/norm of that era to allow many wives so he fulfilled the
desires of women (e.g., he came to rescue Rukmani who was asked to
marry someone against her will). Please note, it is not his desire,
he ran after fulfilling.
- He liberated those 16000 women who said to him that we were
abducted by this demon but the society will not accept us. People
will always think of us as impure and say that these women have
spent night at another man's house..., they will not accept us or
give proper respect to us so please accept us. Krishna did...!!!
He gave them love, respect and status in that society.
- Krishna was constantly threatened to be killed and yet he did what
was needed to be done for these women, man, friends, families of
that society. Men-women like to portray Krishna's pure-selfless love
as an excuse to their physical attraction/lust/
really compare themselves with Krishna, even as a human being? Can
you even do an iota of what he did for that society? How he
uplifted women? How he helped and supported his friends and family
members? To what extend selflessness, kindness, egolessness,
compassion, love flowed from him for the mankind?
Think... think and think it over what are you saying and who are you
doubting and with whom are you comparing yourself...?
always at Thy Holy Feet
Life is to seek freedom from rebirth and rebirth is due to attachment
and desire and the life should be lead with a mind to reduce the
desire and attachment and anything towards detachment is good and
that which increases attachment and desire is not good but when you
do it you apy for it by pain associated with it. Sin is not like the
one you find in Christian literature. So you are desire is to bind
you more to carnal desire and hence lead you to utter despair.
Freedom is to free one from habit and habit is formed due to
attachment! So habit is formed and repeated habit leads to rebirth...
a long answer but that is how it is!
RAJUJI - Draupadi did not have five husbands. The five Pandavas
were only One. Swamiji has explained in one of Vishesh pravachans.
If someone can recollect the specifics please share to clarify
Rajuji's statement. Meera Das, Ram Ram
Respected sadhak/ sadhaka,
Yes it is a sin being with a married man. unless he is a widower.
for todays times. it is illegal in hindus.
But circumstances in past marriage can be bad for the man as wife
may have married him for money, power etc. and tensions can rise
because of this or aduletury on any part. any way getting a divorce
is difficult for todays law.
In ancient times kings used to have many RANIS like dashratha,
pandu, krishna bhagwan many rishis etc.. but that time was generally
not kali yuga and dharmic laws were obliged by all. (Artha, dharma,
kama, moksha) were the service goal of a wife and husband.
In todays times generally men marry second or fall in affair for
lust not love. (99%) cases.
So law in kaliyuga has made second marriage difficult. a sin. in
kaliyuga. anyway law have own faults as case specific laws are not
flexible in India at present.
Second marriage may be allowed for getting a son/ child if first
doesnt have it(as per shastras) or death of a first wife ( for
approvable reasons after social, police investigations)
chirag almoula says, "" Every breath taken without god in our life
is the only sin"". Plants and animals also breath without knowledge
of the creator. Does iy mean sin?
Probably you mean that every thought that is not linked with God is
Jai Sri Krishna
There is no sin in loving a married man - provided you love him like
you love any other person, animal, being. We as humans, have right
to love all - and only the person who can love all without
discriminating between rich and poor, ugly and pretty, or any other
perspective, is dear to GOD. So, love this married man like you
love your servant, your colloeague, your seniors, your brother, or
any one else.
Forming relationship with a married man is not considered good
because you are hurting his wife and spoiling his family life. This
is certainly a sin. You would be chating on your family - which is
again a sin.
Every breath taken without god in our life is the only sin.
GOD and LOVE, these 2 words are highly misunderstood and misused
words. That is why people put -mother&
divine love or pure love whatsoever when they address love. So first
think what do you mean by love. Yr message conveys that you are
talking about illegal physical relationship between a married man
and woman, in fact it should not be termed as "love", and its not
accepted in any societies.
Love is the purpose of our existence. There is only one Love exist,
and that is Love for God. All other so called loves are just
material/bodily attachments in disguise.So if we love Krishna, the
true Love flows from within and all other roles are played well
according to His Will.
Dear Chetan, Anish and Sharmilla, Socrates became a great
philosopher, but her wife was so cruel and rude to him and his
disciples. Prabhupad became the leader of Krishna Consciousnes
movement but his wife was against him. We can get many examples
where someone become great because of his/her spouse or he /she
himself/herself was not really willing to lead a normal
materialistic family life. So the excuse of not having a satisfying
husband-wife relationship for extra marital relations is not
given to him/her by God, his/her sexual desires get sublimated into
creative powers and he/she becomes divine tool of Krishna
kama esa krodha esa
viddhy enam iha vairinam
The Blessed Lord said: It is kama only, Arjuna, which is born of
contact with the material modes of passion and later transformed
into wrath, and which is the all-devouring, sinful enemy of this
Krishna Himself have sais that this desire itself is the root cause
of all the evils. Beware!!!
And does anyone think that by having more we can satisfy our
selves ? No, Swamiji said that if some one thinks that by getting
more we will be more happy and satisfied then its like putting ghee
(purified butter) into the fire, and thinking that it will
Societies at different places and yugas have different norms.. So if
some one is allowed to have many spouses(legally married) or not, is
a subject of government law. Although Muslims are allowed to have
more then one spouses in certain cases by their religion but they
are not allowed to have more than one wives in some countries like
Canada. Extra marital relations are not permitted in any society, or
Before comparing one self with Rama or Krishna, one needs to know
his own true Self. The purpose of human body is to merge with God.
Please donot waste yr human birth, establish yr self in Yoga and see
how amazingly the true Love flows from within.
Yes ! Love is blind, Jee !
Says Holy Gita:
As fire is covered by smoke, mirror by dust and embryo by placenta,
so is knowledge (truth) concealed by desire.
Indeed worldly love (desire) blinds a human, in 3 stages. First
stage as fire gets covered by smoke. In the first stage desire veils
the discrimination lightly. Fire can burn even when it is covered
with smoke. This is ideal time to get out.
The second stage of blindness is of the type of non reflection of
truth- when dirt accumulates on the surface of mirror, it can not
reflect an object. Here the blind human can not decide what he ought
to do and what he ought not to do! He is confused at this stage.
When, dirt accumulates on the surface of mirror, even though it does
not reflect a face, yet it can be known that it is a mirror. But
when an embryo is covered by the placenta , it can't be known
whether child is male or female. Similarly, truth is, so much veiled
at this third stage , that one totally forgets his duty ( swadharma)
and his desire(love/
Veil, Confusion and Sin. Sinning occurs in the third stage. Out of
these three sin is regarded as most deadly defect.Desire is the root
of sin. When a human resolves not to commit sin in future, the
defects are rooted out and his sin begins to decay. But when he
renounces the desire, totally, all his sins perish.
Hence the suggestion of Mira Dassji is ultimate and only remedy
available. No doubt about the same.
Obstacle in implentation: Stupidity ! A stupid has two
characteristics as a law. One - He does not know. Two- He does not
listen to others !! There BG 3:33 says- of what use is external
There only thing which helps is good company, SATSANGA. But due to
habit of not listening others , stupids remains so, till
Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj and Scriptures have vehemently iterated
that stupidity / agyaan is the real obstacle to one's freedom.
Stupid talks when he should be listening. Questions when he should
be answering. Argues when he should be accepting. Justifies when he
should be negating. Defends when he should be conceding. He simply
loses capacity to listen. Conscience keeps getting disrespected and
tends to become more and more veiled progressively, become more and
more dormant. As soon as, desire is born, a human's truthful path is
covered with its smoke. If it is given scope for enhancement, it
makes the path totally dark. THUS- Absolutely blind becomes the
human when bitten by desires.
Dear Sarmila Sai Ram
Put yourself into the shoes of that woman whoes husband is having an
affair. While his wife and children are waiting at the dinner table,
he is sitting having dinner in some luxury restaurant with his girl
friend and will tell the wife that he cannot afford to give her
money to buy things for his own children. Think of all those lyings
and cheatings and the sufferings that the poor woman and innocent
children goes through. Think of the dark and painful nights when a
woman is sitting bed waiting for husband to come home. He comes in
the middle of the night and tells her that he was doing over time at
work and goes to sleep leaving her wondering about is he telling the
trueth? It is easy to say Love is blind and that we are all
humanbeings. However, think of the consequences of the sufferings
that the whole family has to go through just for the selfishness of
one person. The woman who falls in love with a married man and
manipulate him is a sinner as she creates so much pain and
sufferings to whole family who were living peacefully.
Based on my understanding there is NO Sin or Hell in the true sense
in Hindu Dharma. Per my knowledge, Sin and Hell are concepts
introduced by the Abrahamic - Christian Faith. We folle The cause
and effects of Karma in the Search for Paths of Dharma, Artha, Kaama
and Moksha. Even here, Kaama and Artha are not wrong purushartha but
just a driving force and our Dharma teaches that our Karma driven by
Artha and Kaama, though unavoidable in some ways due to attachment,
greed and sense pf pleasure, we must practice them withing the rules
of Dharma. Our Dharmashastra changes accourding to the period we
live. The effects of karma does not wait for our death to dispense a
punishment in hell as in Christian teaching (as I understand), but
the effects start now and in this birth and also affects out future
births and progeny. With the laws and thoughts of monogamy, being in
love with a person and having a sensual affair with a partner
disrupting a family will cause a grief in the other partner and
family and that is what causes the ill-Karma. In ancient society,
accepted norms of marriage varied in various society like in India,
some parts of Kerala, some parts of Ladhak and polygamy and
polyandry were accepted at that time but not in this day and age.
So, disrupting a marriage and family through any illicit
relationship is a Bad=karma carrying a bad effect. Just because you
are greedy or in need you will not rob another person of his money,
jewelery or food. It is similar. To err may be human but will lead
to human suffering. Even if the priest does it or his wife does it,
they will carry the Karma.
Bala N. Aiyer
Dear Friend, I have read your question. I agree with
whatever our scriptures say. But, with one small variation.
When you meet someone, or see someone, you may be attracted
due to some quality in the person, male or female. The thought
of LOVE need not necessarily end up with 'falling in love'. It
can very well lead to knowing the person better, creating a
friendship, where you keep a certain balance. A relationship
need not lead to a physical one. AS Humans, we have the power
to think and learn. And this is one basic point that one can
learn of, without necessarily worrying about it. Good Luck.
There are few black sheep every where. It's our bad luck that our
Sanatan Dharm is spoiled more by these so called Pundits than by any
one else. I don't think that even Mughal kings like Aurangzeb had
done that much harm. So its my request to not to follow such
pundits. Use your own VIVEKA and take decision.
I am not a great one! May be that is the reason, why I think it is
NOT a sin. Just because today's society does not accept such
relationship (as written by other person except between mother&
child or sister and brother etc), it does not become a sin by
itself. The consequences of what you do with that love and
because of that love, is a different story and then because if it
hurts someone else, mentally, physically and/or emotionally, for no
fault of one's own, and your actions are the cause: well now you
have committed a sin. So if you loved, but did not do any thing
which will cause such a misery to you and anyone else, then how that
is a sin.
For example, you love someone and you decided to help his wife by
getting her a job, will that be a sin? Or paid his child's tuition
fees: is t a sin?
In the days when it was allowed to have more than one wife (or more
than one husband), whether all spouses were sinners? Of course not!!
Sarvate, Dinesh G
Dear sadak Sharmille,
What is seen or saw are both illusions beyond perceptions. First of
all you are seeing wrong things that gets into your brain. The
priest is in disguise as a priest. His wife still worst. Both are
under the guise of divinity or priesthood behaving not like humans.
But there are so many people who perfectly behave more than so
dressed priests or so saints. Does that mean you can also behave
like them? What is differance between you and them? Looking at the
priest, his wife and yourself, there will be people wanting to
satisfy their urge, will give lame excuse and behave like the
priest. Sant Tukaram was white cloths. Kabir doss was in muslim
dress until last. Dress or name or roop does not mean their purity.
In christinanity, " Thou shall not cast your eyes on neighbour`s
wife". Quran also says the same. Marry another lady but not
somebody's wife. Hinduism lays down clear rule about behaviour of
men and woman. There is so many examples of womanhood who were very
powerful with their chastity. Choice is your.
Jai Sri Krishna
While reading this email, realize that you are flawless, there is no
sin in you at all in the present moment. Please stop reading and
inquire, whether you are sinful or commiting sin at present moment.
You are free of all sins, all evils, all flaws, all blemishes in the
present. Completely free of them. You are pure and perfect at this
very moment. Gitaji (Gita 15:7) and Ramcharitramanas (Ishvar Ansh
Jeev avinashi chetan AMAL sahaj sukhraashi) have confirmed this. you
are AMAL (free of all impurities). Have an inherent conviction of
your flawlessness, your PURE SELF and that SIN CAN NEVER ENTER YOU
HENCE FORTH. Now knowing full well that there is no sin in you at
the present while reading this email, become free of all worries,
all confusion, all fears, all regrets, all doubts.
If henceforth at any time evil / sin appears to come to you, like a
dog that comes to your door for food, then ignore it, it will go
away. Simply ignore! Remain detached! If it continues to persist
then Swamiji says - invoke God "Hey Naath! Hey Naath!!" Gitaji
clearly states "The Lord looks after His devotees in all respects"
(Gita 9/22). He safeguards their flawlessness and frees them from
those sins / evils, which merely flash. Now onwards - why should
you worry? Why should you fear? Why should you be confused? Depend,
on His grace - He who has made us all flawless will also
safeguard it. By having this faith in His grace, flashing
of sins / evils will cease for ever. This is God's / Swamiji's
Let us know where the issues are, moving forward. We may appear
harsh, but a mother&
children, because of the love and affection she has for her child.
So please do not go into a shell, but continue to share and ask for
namasthe sharmila ji, Many sadhaks have already sent the message and
in addition to that, this is my humble opinion. both both your
questions, either a married man loves a woman other than his wife,
or a woman loves a married man...either way, both these people are
not doing the right thing.
also, if anyone gets involved in this kind of situation, it may be
better to see a counsellor immediately and any person in this whole
world will say that both these people (married man and the woman)
are not doing the right thing.
In these messages, someone asked about a different question..what
about a man if he loved a married woman..even in that case, that man
and a married woman are not doing the right thing.
Also, a person if they are involved in this situation may be having
low self esteem of themselves and they need someone to appreciate
them and feel that if at that position if someone says they love.
Please we need to remember that only LOVE tawards GOD will bring
peace in our hearts. All other love towrads everyone else in this
world is called relationships. We as humans (man or a woman) undergo
and go thro the relationships. As oothers mentioned, we need to make
sure that our actions do not hurt or harm other people or break
apart other families. Please , if anyone going thro this situation,
please let them start join any yoga or meditation routines which
will help them control the physical body as well as mental emotions
I think sharmillaji is asking guidance i-- how to break the barriers
and impediments I one person , within and between persons and the
society at large.
Hurting self or others is sin for the soul and spirit
This person I think is asking as I gather is not what is sin but how
to avoid the situation?
God realization self realization by bhakti as meera did in her
pursuit for krishna and stay for divine happiness by love thru
bhajans is may be what sharmilaji and many other human beings are in
similar situation in karma yoga so probably worth to open the heart
Interesting posts. But please consider this: Draupadi had 5
husbands - polyandry. Did she love them equally?
Lord Krishna himself had several "loves". What is "Sin" (Paapam?)?
Who defines it? Is it societal or personal? What is "Universal
Love"? How do you arrive at that stage? Can you "love" in a
detatched manner? These things one can only answer for oneself and
conduct oneself accordingly. In the process of doing so, be kind
and compassionate to yourself and others. Do not judge either
yourself or others harshly. Good luck.
(it would help if you can provide us your last name in future
postings - GT Moderators)
Is it a sin for a married man to love a single woman?
The answer is the same as the previous question of a woman in "love"
with a married man.
It is all illusion! We think we love when indeed it is the mind
that loves. But the mind is cocooned in this illusory pursuit for
happiness and desire, thus causing ill consecuences that generate
Karma through which we have to work on. The tamasic guna that keeps
us grounded and unable to see the Divine Light in us keeps us in the
choosing for actions that will generate suffering in those around us
and consequently in us.
"Know that both Purusha and Prakriti are beginningless; and know
also that all modificastions and qualities (gunas) are born of
Prakriti." Ch XIII, V19.
"That elusive happiness which originates and ends in self-delusion,
stemming from over-sleep, slothfulness, and miscomprehension, is
called tamasic." Ch XVIII v39.
Cannot we realize that every action generates an energy wave that
after its effect will come back at the generator, us?
"In the creation of the effect (the body) and the instrument (the
senses), Prakriti is spoken of as the cause; in the experience of
joy and sorrow, Purusha is said to be the cause." Ch XIII v20.
Purusha here is the jiva, the individualized soul personality
conditioned and limited in duality.
We must be aware of our every action. Intent is not enough. We
think we are pursuing happiness. But how can we seek happiness when
happiness is not seeked. All we feel and think and feel is nothing
but Tamasic happiness. Happiness has to be manifested in within
without any other purpose than Divine Union. Love never causes a
disruption in the cosmic harmony. Love never expects reciprocity.
One can be in love without disrupting present relationships. Love
without expecting anything in return. Any other form of love that
causes pain and suffering, to others is just a tamasic illusion.
Please understand that.
"Seemingly eclipsed by My own Yoga-Maya (the delusion born of the
triple qualities in Nature), I am unseen by men. The bewildered
world knows not Me, the Unborn, the Deathless." Ch VII v25.
Dear friend, Many writers have clearly told on the
implicatrions of this. I want to add one more point. I
am now running 63 yrs. I am telling this from my
exclusive experirence. Love itself in the present day
jargon is emanating from LUST and there is no real love
of persons without looking the physical nature of
individuals leaving a very small percentage of Blind people
loving. Hence, my sincere advise to youngsters is at
least you can preserve decade old culture by arranged
marriages and a small fear to divorce because of
soceity's comulsions.Let us not imitate the west in this
at least.Our family bonds are stronger than that of any
and for posterity.With regards,
If this is wrong, were all the women who loved Krishna and married
him also wrong? He was supposed to be in a human form and we cannot
justify it by saying he was God.
I think the answer is much more complex than what is dictated by
e.g. In the Gita it is said that the I love the one the most who is
loved by many. (Please provide Gita Shloka - From Gita Talk
In this case, if any action of yours causes greater good for many
others, than the pain caused to a few in the family may not be
wrong. There are people who because of falling in love with a
married person have achieved greater good for society which they may
not have done without this other person in their lives.
I think we have to think of the greater good of a larger number of
people rather than see society in terms of the smaller unit of
family. Sometimes, an outsider can cause greater and faster growth
in a person than a spouse. This growth may spur a person to much
greater heights that may not be possible in the cocoon of a
If it was all about family, then Krishna wouldn't have advised
Arjuna to kill his own relatives.
Even Arjuna had more than one wife. If not, there would have never
been an Abhimanyu. If Subhadra had not married the already married
Arjuna, there wouldn't have been an Abhimanyu who was a great part
of the victory of the Pandavas over the Kauravas.
Shree Hari Chetan, please include your last name in future
postings. Gita Talk Moderators. Ram Ram
Prem as one of the 10 laxans of Maanav Dharma
holy vedas prescribe 24 years to 48 years of brahm charya for man
and 16 years to 36 years braham charya for woman
but for holy vedic vivah it is one of the pre -requisites that there
should be preeti between would be vivah couple and therafter they
should live fully with mutual preeti .
in vedas sex is for only re-production purpose and not at all for
entertainment or joy or fancy or business or porno.
brahm rishi vashishtha had 3 times sex with his dharampatni
Arundhati for santaan (child) production and she gave birth to 3
why? coz garbahdhan is a holy vedic sanskaar and putra prapti is
possible with proper sanskaar vidhi in holy vedas there is
recomendation to produce up to 10 putras. but all will not marry at
least half of them. they will go to sanyaas
or aditya brahmcharya or go to Rishi maharishi line and become
devata group people. this is required for a rashtra to be strong in
all fields . why ? coz it increases the porushey on the land. Holy
vedic Porushey has powers to do wonders and make the maanav jeevan
shukhi and sampaann, while advancing towards Mokhsa.
in all the four ashrams prasapar (mutual) preeti is very much
Therfore preeti poorvak samajik jeevan yapan is fully allowed if the
preeti is not for ulterior motives .
I sincerely DON'T believe that it is a sin for a married man to love
a single or married woman other than his wife or for that matter the
other way around!
It is not always the case that it is not love and just lust...as
love will not make other people suffer!!!
what about a case where the married man/woman never got the love
that he/she desired in the first place? I ask you this
desires for love is not ...i repeat not reciprocated in the same
manner or even lesser manner in which he/she has given!!!
To put it simply...what does a man/woman do if he/she doesn't get
100% in a relationship where he/she has given more than 100%??????
Is it not sin on their partner who "makes" such situations and ruin
the lives of people who have not indulged in any sexual activities
before marriage thinking that he/she will save it for his/her
partner for after marriage...and then he/she finds that his/her
partner is not interested in sex at all !!!!!!!
What does that person do????????
Waste his/her life?????
just so that they don't fall into the bracket of "sinners" by the so
called keepers of religious faith !!!!!!!!!!!!
i dissagree completely with it!!!!!!
i don't think that the said person has committed any crime!!!!
Unless his/her sexual desires are fullfilled in the marriage the
person goes through so much agony which only these people who
suffers can understand!!
I just want to asked whether it is a sin to love a married
man ?.....even gita says that to love everyone....
issue but as i was reading this forum put up by Sharmilaji, found
everyone's individuality and its a free to speak out your view, but
i personally dont agree with answers that it is a SIN....paramatma
Shree Hari Ram Ram
Ajayji, this forum is not just about personal opinions and views.
It is about understanding the principles laid down by Sri Bhagwaan
in Gitaji and other scriptures, and awakening the "vivek"
discriminative faculty that we have been blessed with, to uplift our
Self by the Self. God has clearly stated in the Gita -
Aatmaiva hyaatmano bandhuraatmaiva ripuraatamanah" (Gita 6:5)
"A man must raise himself by his own effort. He must not degrade
himself; for the Self is his own friend and the Self is also his own
The point is that man alone is responsible for his own spiritual
rise or downfall. No one else is.
If you have misunderstood the message of Sri Bhagwaan, then sadhaks
can help clarify, therefore please be more specific in your
responses. This forum is not about free expression of your
beliefs / opinions and values system.
From Gita Talk Moderators,
To all who show their concern in my question, i am happy to hear
different views and comments.thank you so much i understand fully
what you all are saying. it is so confusing to me grow up seeing this
happening over and over.
DO YOU THINK PRAYER HELPS TO MAKE A PERSON BETTER? i saw a
affair in spite having his wife and kids,also the wife is having an
affair also. i am sorry if i am asking the wrong questions or making
The answer could be understood in another way...
If you love and get married to him and then another
woman comes up this very question....
If your answer is sin.......then it is sin even now.....
Of course the married man is more sinner, he is double responsible
But you should think of yours only. What ever you do will make or
break your life.
You are an innocent girl who is trapped by a demon.
You pray God to give you courage and power so that you can rid of
If you want a happy future, get rid of this demon.
Pray God whole heartedly he will listen to you, its guaranteed.
It is both the parties who have sinned ! But it is no solace to
that other too has sinned. Every sin is individual in quantity and
Punishments are also individually meted out. The world/nature also
differently and individually. Law of Karma too operates differently
for each one
of them. Imprints on consciousness also would be different.
both have different genders, different circumstances, different mind
different duties/dharmas, and different 'bhavas' (inner
It should be understood that in such cases the world/nature metes
to lady more than to the male. In the instant case too, there would
always be a
backing to the married man by his family , once he retraces/
promises to retrace
. Entire family would wish/hope/pray that he comes back and almost
would welcome him back and forgive him when he retraces - to save
Nature also may protect/ provide for innocent ones of that already
family too. They have not commited any sins. But who would come to
the rescue of
female, even if in percentage terms the male is at more fault ?
A Lady always has more responsibility and always has to suffer more.
conceive not males. Nature has made both differently. Effects of
fall out etc
are also different for both. Fame and ill fame are directly
controlled by Divine
Laws. Who will forgive her? See the history. Who suffers more? Who
will take her
in arms when she retraces ? What ashamed parents can do? God - yes !
case of male
having family ! Right or wrong- but this is a fact well known to
each of us,
WELL IN ADVANCE , that female is generally at disadvantage ! This is
how it is !
Why , is a different question altogether- not of any help to the
Apart from famous sayings such as Love is blind, To err is human
quoted by the
questioner, in the example given by her, there is one more equally
prevalent in the world is that it never remains hidden when one is
drunk and one
is in love ! At that point disadvantage of not having a home of her
balance life is with female not with the male.
Hence it is no solace to know that other too is sinning. She should
do what Mira Dassji has suggested. No two opinions about the
brought out the same exactly, and so only is correct.
"Getting carried away" - is unilateral ! No other, but one's own
mind, and one's
own desires make one to get swayed or slip/fall. Each human has
refer to. Each has got history to look at.
Jai Shree Krishna
Vyas N B
Sharmillaji, In your last posting, I sense a justification.
"carried away" and "it happens to a lot of women".... OK ! Now
FORGET ABOUT THE
PAST ! Right now you know the Truth as expressed by all these
know that this food contains POISON.
Are you going to continue to say that many others are consuming it,
is OK for me to do so ? Where do you think that will lead?
Swamiji says - "You want to EAT POISON FILLED ladoos, and not be
is that possible ?" The reason you are questioning and asking about
this act is sinful and feeling uneasy and somewhat disturbed and
unhappy is that
you have indulged in enjoyment at other people's expense, and if you
then you will have to face the pain and sorrow that follows. You
The choices are simple per Swamiji - 1) Either eat the poisoned
ladoos and get
poisoned or 2) Don't eat and remain ever healthy and blissful.
dilly dally, no justification, no rationalization.
Read Gita 18:38 - The happiness that initially comes from union
together) appears like nectar, but in the final analysis, it is like
If this choosing is difficult, then I sincerely ask you to follow
what was written earlier based on Swamiji's teachings - Seek refuge
Bhagavan and turn yourself over to Him for guidance and help. Please
to the group that you have done so.
Say Holy Scriptures thus:
Whenever youth rises upto its climax, feverish passions dance;
then , only destruction results. They alone are to worshipped , they
are the great souls and they alone are humans in this world who have
easily crossed over the perils of youth.
In the string- tossed bodily cage of the puppet doll of flesh,
endowed with muscles, bones and joints of a man or a woman, what
good is possibly there?
O Humans ! See if it is pleasing after separating the skin, flesh,
blood, tears, eyes, etc ; why are you deluded in vain ?
When you experience moon-like youth intent on lust; then you
experience old age destroying the beauty of body like a missile of
snow fallen on the face of a lotus, like a storm, the autumnal cloud
and a river, destroy the tree on the bank.