Swamiji has said that `Hinduism goes from root to leaves whereas
today's science goes from leaves to root.' What does this mean?
ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION NEEDED
Hinduism goes from root to leaves- I am able to understand this
Although Shobhaji, Madanji, Vyasji and others have addressed the
statement `Science goes from leaves to root', it is still not clear
to me. I mean to ask that where has today's science taken this
approach. Please explain with an example.
Varun P. Paprunia
Vineetji, On 27th Aug. 1995, 5.00am, in Jaipur, Swamiji has quoted
this statement. In fact Swamiji's quote was 'Hinduism goes from seed
(not roots) to leaves'. My statement was incorrect. I have heard
this quote in many other discourses and also read it in one of the
books, but not able to recollect it.
Swamiji has only nurtured and fostered Hinduism. What else has He
done? He has spent His entire life in doing so. Each and every word
of Swamiji's are from Hindu scriptures. He has himself said so.(SSS-
page 37 2nd half - left column; and page 522- first para of the
chapter 'Baar Bar ...') The Karan-Sapeksha/
worldly-divine (laukik-alaukik) practice etc. are all discoveries
made by Swamiji from Hindu scriptures (which includes Gita) only. He
has only found them which existed before from time immemorial.
Yes, Gita does not specifically mention the word 'Hindu' but it
certainly does give importance to Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism). (Read
chapter 'Gita mein Sanatan Dharma'- page 76 of book 'Gita Darpan'.
Concentrate on the last 2 paras of the article.)
What is the problem in Hindus believing Gita to be its' own
treasure? I don't understand your statement. If we Hindus will not
treasure it then who will treasure it? Read SSS page 992- entire
chapter. In fact, you should read the entire 'Samaj Sudhar' section
of SSS. Today's SECULAR Hindu consider it a shame to read Gita,
Ramayan etc. They abhor Hinduism and make fun of its rich historical
characters. They don't even consider Mahabharata and Ramayana as a
historical event. Deep down they consider Hindu scriptures, puranas,
the gods as any poet's imagination, a folk-lore, an impractical
doctrination by some foolish people. In such dire circumstances if
we will not treasure it then who will treasure it?
Vineetji, according to Swamiji- Sanatan Dharma, Hinduism, Hinduttva
are synonyms. He has not drawn any demarcation line between any of
these terms. If He has drawn any, show me where it is?
You said- Swamiji's words are for the welfare of entire humanity.
Absolutely, no doubt about it, because Hinduism (Sanatana Dharma,
which includes Swamiji's words) spiritual truths, i.e. laws for the
smooth functioning of this universe (dharma). As said by Swamiji,
other religions are a product of Hinduism. (Read SS page 925). So
non-Hindus may equally benefit from Swamiji's words there is no need
to be surprised over it. Gita is so broad that even a practicing
Christian and Muslim can use it to follow his own religion! This is
the speciality of Gita. The biggest astonishment of Swamiji's words
is that everyone can relate to it.
Hinduism (Sanatana Dharma) is a dharma (eternal laws for the smooth
functioning of this Universe) not a sect (sampraday). You can call
Vaishnaism, Shaivaism, Advaitaism etc. as sects. I don't think I
have wronged anywhere in comparing Hinduism and Science. (Swamiji
has Himself done so.) The main purpose of today's scientific
inventions are primarily- new ways to derive sensual pleasure,
comfort of body, making more and more money etc., which is not the
purpose of human body (according to Hinduism). FYI... Family-
planning initiatives and abortion are also the product of todays'
science only, which Swamiji has condemned for His entire life.
Your 2nd last statement 'Waise aapko bataa saktaa hu ki jahaan
vijnana asamarth hotaa hai, usi bindu se
adhyaatma, (ne ki koyi sampradaayi) praarambh hotaa hai.'
Agreed Vineetji, I would like to point out that the main purpose of
any religion or sect (sampradaya) is spirituality. Any sect is
formed not for fighting, but for walking towards the ultimate goal.
Your last statement 'Kripayaa vijnaan aur adhyaatma kaa tulanaatmak
suchnaa-sangraha avashya kare.' For doing this I will need to know
details of both the subjects. Honestly, I don't know much about both
of them. If you have done 'TULANAATMAK SUCHNAA-SANGRAHA' on this
then please share the conclusions of that comparison with all of us.
And yes, DRILL this down 'Sanatan-Dharma, Hinduism, Hinduttva' are
one and the same. For protecting dharma, God takes avatar. (Again
read SS page 925)
SS -> Sadhak-Sanjivani (Hindi)
SSS -> Sadhan-Sudha-
Thank you for the response Mikeji, I will try to get that book.
Varun P. Paprunia
In my opinion, it is Mike Keenor's beautiful narration which answers
satisfactorily the question of Varunji. Swamiji made this
observation many times. There is nothing wrong in this observation
and there is no purpose served in changing the course of
deliberations. It is a good question and we should concentrate on
answering the same- rather than giving it a different colour.It is
childish to presume or infer any thing about Hinduism or Hindutva
out of this innocent question. There is nothing to "carefully read"
in the message of Vineetji.. Our religion is a way of life, it is
eternal.. No body has denied the fact that the teachings of Gitaji
and Swamiji are meant for humanity at large. Mere mention of Hindu
Dharma by Varunji while posing a question cannot cause so
called "confusion" . But even Swamiji was proud of Hindu Sanatan
Dharma . So am I. So is Varunji. So should be all of us. What is
wrong in that?
By the way the term "vijnana" (science) may not be only what
Vineetji has described it to be. Every worldly or acquired knowledge
is not "science". As stated earlier let us concentrate more on the
question rather than deviating from main theme If "Vijnana" is what
Vineetji has defined then what the "Jnana" is?
The entire world knows that Scriptures like Gitaji are for entire
humanity. It goes without saying. Who has denied that? It indeed is
essence of Upnishads. At the root there is Eternal Sanatan Dharma.
It is undeniable. Hence we should concentrate on giving Varunji
examples- if we possess adequate knowledge to do that. I am not a
science student, but even I could give examples of 9 planets etc. Of
course, science begins journey from leaves and aims at reaching to
There is "no grave mistake" of any sort whatsoever in any
statements. The question in no way can cause that conclusion. All
confusions are in individual mind only and no where else.
Jai Shree Krishna
Vyas N B
Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!
Science studies and discovers all that are perceived by sense organs
and subsequently conceived as objects, which are always separate
from the Scientist who is the subject of the objects thus conceived.
These objects are empirical in nature(observable and agreed upon by
majority) and are true only relative to one another, not in and of
Objects are leaves, branches, trunks and the Subject is the Root, so
to speak. So science remains at the level of leaves etc. Science
cannot and doesn't have access to that which is the ultimate and
true subject of all such conceived objects. In otherwords, the
ultimate subject, Consciousness is not available as laboratory
sample to be studied. This is the Root and as we know the root has
the access to leaves etc whereas leaves etc don't have access to the
Krishnaji say in Gita: "I" am Kshetragna, the Knower Consciousness
of all objects, and everything else is Kshetra, field of known
including body-mind-intellect etc and as such cannot know "I". This
means Consciousness cannot be objectified as another object.
When Root is known, all else(leaves, etc) is known, as it is total
knowledge and liberation!
This is how/why Vedanta goes from Root to leaves so to speak unlike
science, as Swamiji may have meant to say.
Your question has compelled me to ask where, in what book or what
particular discourse did Shri Shraddhey Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj
say this, which you are quoting. Please kindly share. Swamiji did
not remain nuturing and fostering Hinduism or any particular
doctrine, religious philosphy of a particular sect. Swamiji spoke
for the welfare and upliftment of all beings of all sects and
religious groups. The spiritual truths, the exact explanations and
definitions of words, have in entireness and completeness been on
Gitaji. He has definitely spoken on Sanatana Dharma (Eternal Truths
and Spiritual Laws). The use of the words "Hindutva" or "Hinduism",
whether it has been said in the Gitaji and the extent of it's
description, please kindly share? If Hindus believe that Gitaji is
it's own wealth and treasure, then it is a grave mistake. Swamiji
has at all times, in all his writings and discourses, given the
understanding and made it clear that this is for "all of mankind"
comparison of acquired knowledge of the world (vijnaan) and spritual
truths (dharma), however that there is any philosophical or
religious doctrine that is particularly special and criticism of
Science, can lead to nothing other than confusion and doubt. I can
say that wherever acquired knowledge from the world (vijnaan)is
incapable, from that very point, spiritual truths (not a particular
religious doctrine) begins. Kindly share the collective
understanding indicating comparisons between acquired knowledge and
spiritual knowledge without fail. Thank you very much.
Vineet, A Sadhak
Aapke prashna ne baadhya kiyaa hai ki aapse puchaa jai kis Shri
Shraddhey Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj kab kahaa (kis pravachan mein,
kis lekh mein) yeh kahaa jo aap kah rahe hai. Kripayaa bataayiye?
Shraddhey Swamiji hindutattva athvaa anya kisi mat-sampradaayak ke
paushak nahin rahe. Sahdev sabhi sampradaayi aur mat ke manusyon ke
hit mein likhaa hai. Dharma ki unki paribhaashaa purnatah Gitaji
per chali hai. Sanatana Dharma ke baare mein avashya unhaun ne kahaa
hai. Hindutva athavaa Hinduism shabda ka Gitaji mein kahaa aur
kitnaa varanun hai, kripayaa bataayiye ? Hindu sampradaayi yeh
samjhe ki Gitaji unki sampatti hai toh yeh bahut badi bhool hai.
Swamiji ne sadaa sabhi pravachan aur lekh "maanav maatre" ko
sambodhit kiye hai. vartamaan vignaana aur dharma ki tulnaa toh
samajh mein aati hai kintu kisi sampradaayi vishesh aur vijnaan ki
tulnaa brahma ke atirikt kuch nahin de sakengi. Waise aapko bataa
saktaa hu ki jahaan vijnana asamarth hotaa hai, usi bindu se
adhyaatma, (ne ki koyi sampradaayi) praarambh hotaa hai. Kripayaa
vijnaan aur adhyaatma kaa tulanaatmak suchnaa-sangraha avashya
kare. Sa dhanyavaad.
Vineet, ek sadhak
If you are able to get a copy of 'Raja Yoga', by Swami Vivekananda,
and go to pages 50 through 52, to summarize he writes of how
vibrations set the plane, each plane, invisible to each, and people
on that plane see objects etc on that plane only, but with the use of
Yoga one can see the big picture. Now in my work I often used the
lisague technique, to locate and measure a stream of data amongst
hundreds of other streams, how? By simply synchronizing my reference
to the frequency of the stream I wanted, sounds very much like the
sought of thing the good Swami was talking about. Also remember the
modern physicists now consider all of existence is based on energy
vibration Swami Vivekananda had already said that, remember the
physicists had to travel from the macrocosm to the microcosm as the
methods improved, but the Swami was across the lot.
Now turn to page 57, he saw the coming of wireless energy transfer,
to quote: "This proves that the wire is not really necessary, but
only are inability to dispense with it compels us to use it", he
based his accurate predictions on the basis of the most ancients of
science, he called the science of Yoga.
With Respect and Divine Love,
Science demands proof of everything and tries to explain everything
but there are certain things that cannot be explained. Such as which
came first, the chicken or the egg? How does an inanimate object
like the egg turn into a live chick? Similarly there are so many
things that science cannot explain. That is what Swamiji meant when
he said that science goes from the leaves to the root, which is
unnatural while Hinduism goes naturally from the root to the leaves.
Which means that Hinduism is more logical than science.
Hari Shanker Deo
|| Ram Ram ||
Thank you for a very good question. As pointed out very eloquently
Narayanaji, that the science jumps from leaf to leaf. Surely,
science is not going from leaf to the root. it goes from inference
to inference only, it makes us believe only what it can prove. With
the limited equipment (senses, mind and intellect), how can God and
His massive creation (being so unlimited) can be understood or
proved by the limited equipment of human being and the science?
Hinduism goes from root to leaves, we start with a firm belief that
God pervades the whole universe, he is the root, the leaves and
whatever else which remains. There are many verses in Gitaji
relating to this topic, !0-8 and 7-7 have been posted in a previous
response, few more are:
"urdhvamulam adhsakham, asvattham prahur avyayam
chandamsi yasya parnani, yas tam veda sa vedvit"
They speak of an imperishable Asvattha (Banyan) tree* with its root
above and branches below; Its leaves are the metres of the Vedas; he
who knows this, is the knower of the Vedas.
*Asvattha tree is in resemblance of the tree of creation
"yas ca'pi sarvabhutanam, bijam tad aham Arjuna
na tad asti vina yat syan, maya bhutam caracaram"
Arjuna, I am even that which is the seed of all beings. For there is
no creature, animate or inanimate, which exists without Me.
"sarvayonisu kaunteya, murtayah sambhavanti yah
tasam brahma mahad yanir, aham bijapradhah pita"
All the bodies that come into being from different wombs O son of
Kunti (Arjuna), the Mahat Brahma (the great Prakriti) is their womb
and I am the seed giving father.
"pita 'ham asyo jagato, mata dhata pitamah
vedam pavitram aumkara, rik sama yadur eva ca"
I am the Father, the Mother, the Sustainer, the Grandfather of the
world, the knowable, the purifier, the sacred syllable AUM, and the
three Vedas - Rik, Yajus ans Sama.
"gatir bharta prabhu saksi nivasah saranam suhrt
prabhavah pralayah sthanam nidhanam bijam avayam"
I am the Goal, the Supporter, the Lord, the Witness, the Abode, the
Shelter, the Friend, the Origin, the Dissolution, the Foundation,
the Treasure-house and the seed Imperishable.
Hinduism and Gita analyse the creation differently than science and
right from the beginning focus on the "cause" and not the "effect".
It is not so in case of science. Science begins the journey
from "effect" and attempts to know the "cause". Therefore, what
science is finding out say today, Hindu Scriptures found out
millions of years ago. For example- science
Found out only in 19/20 th century that Pluto/Neptune are also
planets, but Hindu Scriptures are stating from day 1 that there are
9 planets circling the Sun. For a long time science believed earth
to be the centre of creation. Gita/Hindu Scriptures never subscribed
to that view and called Sun to be the focal point. Hundreds of such
examples can be given.
Take for example Gita. Lord starts Gita with discrimination between
soul and body . Which science can ever begin so? A Bhakti Yogi right
from the beginning believes "I am of God". A Jnana Yogi starts
sadhana from "I am Brahma" and never gets down from that level
throughout. A Karma Yogi believes that he doesnot have to "do"
anything for himself, from outset. All three straight away catch the
roots only- and then assess/view/ deal with the world.
Jai Shree Krishna
Vyas N B
Science demands proof of everything and tries to explain everything
are certain things that cannot be explained. Such as which came
chicken or the egg? How does an inanimate object like the egg turn
into a live
chick? Similarly there are so many things that science cannot
explain. That is
what Swamiji meant when he said that science goes from the leaves to
which is unnatural while Hinduism goes naturally from the root to
Which means that Hinduism is more logical than science.
Hari Shanker Deo
In Geeta 10/8 The Lord says -
aham sarvasya prabhavo - I am the origin of all.
HE is the root of all and HE is all too.(See Geeta 7/7 Mattah
parataram nanyatkinchidasti Dhananjay) The modern science tries to
search the secrets of nature
1. by physical means and 2. from outside in. This depth is
unfathomable since HE is the deepest secret of all the Creation and
cannot be found by physical means. While Hinduism has proved that by
searching HIM, the creator, the secrets of nature/science which is
HIS creation - are automatically revealed. Jai Ramjiki.
Dr. Shobha S.
A wonderful statement. I would even go further: "Vedaanta goes from
root to leaves, while science jumps from leaf to leaf".
!! Naham Karta Harikartha !!
Hinduism & Science
From the root to the leaves and from leaves to the roots
The thought-provoking manner in which Swamiji has put forth a
comparitive perspective on how our Vedantic religious world view
contrasts with that of the modern scientific world view, using the
example of a process of understanding a tree - from the roots to
leaves or vice versa is really illuminating.
There are ample confusions on this issue even among some very
learned and devout people as much among so-called rationalists and
eminernt philosophers of science.
Generally the basis on which the approach of Hinduism and that of
modern science need to be differentiated must follow from a critique
of following polar positions:
Firstly, the error of absolute identity, which seeks to place our
religious and spiritual traditions and philosophical standpoints at
par with those of science, as if both are not really different and
that they would eventually converge (collapse??) into one another at
some point of time. This error manifests in further litany errors of
claiming that Hinduism is the most scientific of religions and that
from its very inception it has known everything that we otherwise
are now trying to know through science. There is a similar attempts
to portray some of the modern scientists and physicists like
Einstein, as the true "ÿogi" or "rishi" of our times and our own
ancient "rishis" or "seers" of yore as their "poor cousins",
crippled by lack of modern scientific methodology and who therfore
resorted to esoteric modes of explanation.
Secondly, there is an error of absolute contradiction, which seeks
to pit both Hinduism and modern science in exclusion and opposition
to each other and as fundementally irreconciliable. This results in
mutual exclusion, wherein those believing in Hinduism fail to
recognise the distinct validity and autonomy of scientific cognition
and think that one's own religion can indeed explain every thing.
There is a mirror image of the same kind of error among some
adherants of science, who think that science can explain everything
and that religion must therfore be consigned to museum of
Religion and science are like two faces of the same coin; they are
only different cognitive tools of realisation and of knowledge and
the subjects their substantive enquiry are different and distinct.
Both are needed to understand the roots and leaves, as much the
trunk and the branches of tree.
!!! Sri Krishnarpanamasthu !!!
Hinduism gives knowledge from seed to root, from root to leaves,
from leaves to fruits and flowers. Hinduism says about creation that
was earlier and destroyed and again creation came. Great Saint
Poothanam on whose lap Sri Krishna sat, wrote about 13 worlds (other
than our) in Ngyanapana that people exits there. He also sang about
human birth rare. How human raise from lower births. Upanashids
clearly give about black hole. Sri Krishna took Arjuna by Chariot
through black to reach Vaikunt and brought back a Bramin children to
But science go from evidence that exists and call discovered.
Jai Sri Krishna
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