Monday, November 30, 2009

[gita-talk] Re: GITAJI CHANGED MY LIFE / MY EXPERIENCE WITH GITA

 

Shree Hari
Ram Ram

Revisiting... especially due to Gita Jayanti week.   

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To me Bhagavadgita is synonymous with the rest of all the scriptures in the world that educate us toward self-relief and Self-Realization. The "change" that The Gita has showered on me is to decelerate my constant crave to seek the "changes" in life ... to depend on the changes less and less and to experience the changes as they pass by as would The Changeless, The Witness of all. The most inspiring verse from the Gita that is showering its grace on me abundantly is its first verse that is the Gateway for everything else:
Dharmakshetre kurukshetre samavetaa yuyutsavaah |
Maamakaah paaNDavaashchaiva kimakurvata sanjaya ||
Thank God, The Darma chose to arise amidst the Kuru-s that infest me from God knows when. The upraisal of the Darma is the ray of hope to uproot the Kuru-s eventually. Hope of uprooting the Kuru-s gives the hope to seek The KrishNa. Only the termination of the Maamakaah is the way to terminate the Kurus within. Only by nurturing the PaaNDavaah, the Dharma-s within I could ever think of eradicating the Maamakaah, the Kuru-s. Thank God, the gateway to seek Him is opened by His Grace. The Maamakaa-s are still infesting me feeding upon the desires and fears that I harbor trying their best to keep me blind toward the PaaNDavaa-s. O Maadhava! Please remove the opaqueness of my vision to release it to its natural transparency to seek You. O Muraare! Let Your Wisdom flood in to wash away all my ignorance that has coccooned me in itself; to eradicate my inertia to break open this self-delusive coccoon for once; and to liberate me from my self-created bondage in the coccoon with all polarities such as ignorance and inertia, desire and fear, etc.O KrishNa! Absorb me into You that I truly AM. 
Bhagavan! Break the gates of my forte of identities … flood the Bhagavadgita IN ... dissolve away all my desires and fears in the flood ... let the flood quench its appetite devouring all the tendencies that are infesting the nookes and corners of my existence ... let the tubulence of the flood too get dissolved in the ocean of bliss that is Your Abode ... let me be one with that abode of Yours ... let me be one with You in Your Abode ... in the flood of the changes amongst Your Own Images all around. Let me be ... Your Abode that You Are ... 
In submission to The Lord of all … 
Naga Narayana
To me Bhagavadgita is synonymous with the rest of all the scriptures in the world that educate us toward self-relief and Self-Realization. The "change" that The Gita has showered on me is to decelerate my constant crave to seek the "changes" in life ... to depend on the changes less and less and to experience the changes as they pass by as would The Changeless, The Witness of all. The most inspiring verse from the Gita that is showering its grace on me abundantly is its first verse that is the Gateway for everything else:
Dharmakshetre kurukshetre samavetaa yuyutsavaah |
Maamakaah paaNDavaashchaiva kimakurvata sanjaya ||
Thank God, The Darma chose to arise amidst the Kuru-s that infest me from God knows when. The upraisal of the Darma is the ray of hope to uproot the Kuru-s eventually. Hope of uprooting the Kuru-s gives the hope to seek The KrishNa. Only the termination of the Maamakaah is the way to terminate the Kurus within. Only by nurturing the PaaNDavaah, the Dharma-s within I could ever think of eradicating the Maamakaah, the Kuru-s. Thank God, the gateway to seek Him is opened by His Grace. The Maamakaa-s are still infesting me feeding upon the desires and fears that I harbor trying their best to keep me blind toward the PaaNDavaa-s. O Maadhava! Please remove the opaqueness of my vision to release it to its natural transparency to seek You. O Muraare! Let Your Wisdom flood in to wash away all my ignorance that has coccooned me in itself; to eradicate my inertia to break open this self-delusive coccoon for once; and to liberate me from my self-created bondage in the coccoon with all polarities such as ignorance and inertia, desire and fear, etc.O KrishNa! Absorb me into You that I truly AM. 
Bhagavan! Break the gates of my forte of identities … flood the Bhagavadgita IN ... dissolve away all my desires and fears in the flood ... let the flood quench its appetite devouring all the tendencies that are infesting the nookes and corners of my existence ... let the tubulence of the flood too get dissolved in the ocean of bliss that is Your Abode ... let me be one with that abode of Yours ... let me be one with You in Your Abode ... in the flood of the changes amongst Your Own Images all around. Let me be ... Your Abode that You Are ... 
In submission to The Lord of all … 
Naga Narayana

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Dear Ram Ram
My prostrations to you I am proud that you are propagating Gita's messages amongst all Sadhaks.I am one of them
I chose the last verse of Bhagvat Gita  which inspires us all ( Chapter 18th Sloka 78 )
 
Whereever there is Lord Krishna,the Lord Of Yoga and wherever there is Vir Arjun ( soul ) there abides prosperity ,victory,glory and rightfulness.This is my firm convictions
 
I believe in my scripture Gita which is the shortcut of all Hindu scriptures as narated in Sloka ( Chapter One sloka 4 )
My favourate slaka is Bhagtvat Gita Chapter I verse 5 )
 
Vadudevam Sutam Davam,  kansacharunya mardam /
Devakiparmanandam krishnam vande jagatgurum //

Atleast recite this one sloka every day.This is used as mantra too
 
All verses of Bhagvat Gita are like mantras and we can not make any more distinctions
My one friend iAS was reading the whole of Gita every day.I used to read Gita Chapter XV .In case I can not read then I recite three Slokas Chapter I verse 5 and slokas iv slokas 7 and 8
 
For benefits of reciting Bhagvat Gita please read Gita Mahatmaya given in the beginning of Gita.
This will please the moderator
 
Truly your devotee
 
Shankerprasad S Bhatt M.Com
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It is only the recitation of Bhagavt Gita will surely inspires you to find a way of life that other Saints and leader like mahatma Gandhi who did not start his morning work without reciting some slokas from Bhagvata Gita.Please read my other notes on Gita.This is the time of Gita Jayanti.  Believe in what lord Krishna told to vir Arjun ( soul ) Whosoever surrednders to Lord Krishna He or She gets everything in life Whosoever comes to me ( Lord Krishna ) comes to Me ( Salvation.Read the last verse of Bhagvat Gita and start reading Bhagvat Gita which is the sum and substance of all Hindu scriptures
 
Truly yours
 
Shankerprasad S Bhatt M.Com
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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!
What a profound is the message of Vyasji! "You realize the changelessness of you"! That is THE Change!
On that note, I would say The way Gita changed my life is that I realize no such thing as "my" life, it is just LIFE!
Changes seem to appear in THAT Changelessness!
Namaskar....Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadhak
 
Raag/attachment-Gita 3(34) towards worldly pleasure is main obstacle towards God realisation.
First make mind of your aim of your life that is God realisation & be crazy.
Do action without attachment-Gita 2(47-48)
What you brought to loose?
 
Thanks & Regards
Pawan Kumar Singhal
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No body can change your lot. Not even your efforts. Not even changing the pattern of your thinking.

This negating every thing to change yourself puts you face to face with yourself. This negating forces you to see every fact or challenge as it is.

You come to your operating system. Or you are the operating system.

There is no separate you and the operating system.
Realisation is not a dead (done) thing.
Truth is an understanding beyond the question-answer pattern. It is actual understanding. The relief offered by satisfactory answer is not there.


Y V Chawla
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AATHREYA – SRI KRISHNA BHAGAVAD GEETHA  - dr bala krishna murthy

 

Year 2009  November 28 th day

Sixth day of week that is Saturday

Bhagavad Geetha Jayanthi  Day

Sacred Song Of Krishna ,  Divinity

Geetha Annivaersay Birth Day

After New Moon , Eleventh Day

During the Lunar Month of  Mrugsir

5150 Years Ago on This Day

Lord Krishna showed us The Way

Told Arjuna his responsibility

That everyone should do their duty

With commitment and sincerity

Essence of All Cosmic Activity

Going on and on for Eternity

When Shakthi Motivated Shiva To Yogic Action

As Even Shiva sans Energy is Only Inertia

Thus Viraat Purush Initiated Brahma into Creation

Finally It Is Divine Krishna giving us all A Reason

To Discharge our Responsibilities within our dominion

Subject to our capacity and  without any expectation

We all know that every  good noble action

will result in an equally good noble  reaction .

Hence let us all share the burden ,

and do our bit without any trepidation nor hesitation

Om Thath Sath  - So Be It – Amen –

As It Is Written  So Shall It Be Done

aathreya- r.bala krishna murthy

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Dear Geetaji devotees,
 
When Smt. Thavidammal was casually looking after painting of " Droupathi 's removal of saree   by Thuchadanana" by an artist ( using chemical paint ) in the compound wall of the temple - there was an internal  call from Krishna -" An artist was making Droupathi's picture with abnoxious smell (of chemical paint ) ; you are wasting your time by looking into this drawing as Droupathi herself is 'maya' ( as she was more affectionate with Arjuna ) -please go and attend your animal keeping work as one  calf is suffering / struggling with abstruction of materials in the mouth . She rushed immediately  to the cattle shed and exactly found true that what Lord was  telling. She relived the obstruction and fed the calf with a banana.  Per my understanding,  Lord always favour duty first rather than induldgence with so called Bhakthi or at the cost of duty.  
 
With kind regards,
 
Sincerely,
P.Vivekanandan
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Shree Hari  Ram Ram 
Vivekanandan ji... are duty separate from Bhakti as such?  When you belong to God, and everything you do (including worship, devotion, rememberance, adoration i.e. Bhakti,  then where is the question of Bhakthi at the cost of duty???? 
Ram Ram 
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RULES TO BE OBSERVED WHILE CHANTING OF MANTRAS

Have complete devotion and faith in the Mantra. Repose your complete faith in
the deity being worshipped.

Keep a peaceful mind.

While chanting of Mantras never let your mind be distracted.( concentrate
deeply)

Put your complete will power in the chanting of Mantra.

Never be afraid while the chanting of Mantra.

Never change your place before your Mantrik meditation is complete.

Perform Mantrik meditation as laid down in our scriptures.

From the beginning to the end of the meditational chanting of Mantra do not
change incense(Dhoop) , lamp(Deepak) , asana, beads(Mala) and clothes.
Thanks !  
Hindu Devotional
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Its time temples should be told to read a sloka or chapter of Gita when they meet rather ,praying jai Jgdish or jai laxmi mata .
 A letter should be drafted  by group and mailed or circulated and each week or daiy Geeta message  for today.

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Arish K. Sahani

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Dear Sandeep Gupta,
                If you real have faith in Lord Krishna's teachings in Gita your consciousness will go higher and higher and then will surely guide you to reach the stage of final meeting with Almighty God.You must have deep faith in your scriptures Recite  every day
Har rama rama rama hare hare
Hare krishna krishna krishna Hare hare
 
Always understand its meaning.Read Gita Mahatmaya
Read all my views in this Gita Group emails
Truly yours
 
Shankerprasad S Bhatt

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear  fellow sadhakas,
Hare Krishna.
This is in response to the question of Gitaji, having an influence on my life.

This material world is full of stress and misery. The reason is people get attached to the results or fruits of their action. If we do our actions in the name of the Lord, without caring for the results, then our lives will be peaceful. This is well described in the following sloka,

"Karmany evadhikaraste,
Ma phaleshu kadacana,
Ma karma phala hetur bhur,
Ma te sango stv akarmani. "
( Gitaji 2,47)

Which means,
'You have a right to perform your duty but you are not entitled to the fruits of action. Do not consider yourself the cause of the results of your actions. Do not be attached to not doing your duty. '

Selfless work gives us peace of mind in this life and also advances us spiritually.

Thank You
Hare Krishna.

Prasad.A.Iragavarapu,M.D

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Hari Om

It so changes your life that the very change thereupon ceases to occur. It makes you realise the changelessness of you.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Dear sadhaks,
                   Namaste.During my college days I took sanskrit as second language and first two chapters of geeta were prescribed for paper one.I was very much interested to read and recollect certain verses like dehinosmin ...tatha dehantara prapti ( Gita 2/13) worked on me like mantra when I lost my mother at the age of 18.I can not forget the qualities of stitha prajna described by bhagvan from  Gita 2/55 to 2/72.
Badri Narayana Miriyala

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You may lose anger, fear, desire, attachment and ego. That is great. You are on
right lines. By losing all these, you are not going to be a living dead, you
will become a living freedom free from the shackels and bondage of this material
and desire-driven egoistic world. You will gain liberation. Your body and mind
will become free of all burdens and you will soon get instructions from God
within you on what you need to do. Do not worry. Give up this worry that you
have. You will lose nothing. You can only gain liberation and untained peace,
happiness and love. You will get what you need without even trying for it.
Basudeb Sen

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By reading the Gita you are realising the true value of material things. It is good that you are losing interest in worldly objects. Your reactions have mellowed. You are on the right path but your question shows that you have not reached the end of the journey. It is only the beginning. The only purpose of our existence is to unite with the Self. Till that happens you have to carry on. You have a long way to go to attain Moksha or liberation from the endless cycles of birth and death.
Hari Shanker Deo

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QUESTION:  
Dear members,
 
I have been trying to practice the Gita principles and reading it regularly as well, over past few months.
 
It has to a considerable extent mellowed down my reaction to an undesired event / occurrence, which earlier used to be emotionally intense reaction like ecstatic or angry.
 
However, i am finding i am also losing interest in worldly objects and events. For example passions for wordly objects like car, watches, electronic gadgets has practically died down. I am scared that i lose interest in life itself, and then probably will become a living dead - with all natural reactions, interests subjugated.
 
This is happening since i am doing regular reading and practice of Gita. It appears that this is doing me more harm than good.  The idea of ephemeral world and its attributes, makes one lose interest in doing anything worthwhile from human perspective.
 
It may be a subjective case of mine, but i would like to know experience of others.
 
regards
Sundeep Gupta
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Dear Sadaks,
Sundeep Gupta you are gifted to read Bagavath Geetha. Many have book in shelf and do not read even after reminding by friends. Your previous good deeds making you so. The mind is like this:- If you look at world, you like all objects. But you look at God, by way of Geetha, Sat Sangh, Bajans Etc naturally you loose interest in objects. But if one balances mind and intellect on God, he does not care if you wear costly cloths or just a piece of Cloth. Read Geetha and understand what exactly IT says. Example: Ramaganatha Gosami disciple of Sant Samartha Ramadoss. He was walking in jungle, when Marathi Shivaji came across. Shivaji knew that he was Sant disciple. Immediately Shivaji ordered, good cloths, simhasan, a tent and food and posted 5 Jawans to take care.The message went to Sant, that his disciple was enjoying comforts where as Sant was with NO comforts. Sant went to Gosami and said, "Gosami why all this abandon and go elsewhere". Gosami just abandoned, threw all cloths and went away. Again Shivaji met and same was ordered. Gosami back in comforts. Sant Ramdoss explains, that Gosami though seemed by other that he is in comforts, Gosami is not having any attachment to anything. Gosami was just watching his body been used by Shivaji, said Samartha Ramadoos. Jada Bharath was dressed well, insense applied, garlanded before beheaded. Bharath was same before trying beheading with all that and when Maa Kali appeared and beheaded tribes setting free Bharat. NOT a small difference to any attachment. Simple example: When a mad man given comforts of Jewels, dress Etc remains the same when they are taken away from him. All comes and goes. Due to imbalance, we feel happy when something comes and feel sad when it goes. Sri Krishna in Geetha said:- What you brought to loose-------. You all sadaks know the rest. But we forget.
B.Sathyanarayan
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Yes, attachment to any particular will no longer be there as now one is linked to every thing.
One sees the ecstasy of being alive.
Y V Chawla
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Shree Hari   Ram Ram 
 
Until you do not reveal that principle (siddhaant) of the Gita that you are practicing (abhyaas),  due to which your interest (ruchi) in life  is seemingly dead (mrtpraayah)  ,  nothing will be worth saying or hearing.   What is the fault of Gita in this?    Fault is in your own doing.   Because before doing you are attached (aasakt) to it's fruit (phal).   The first indispensability(aavashyaktaah) of the Gita is to be free of desire for fruit.   So be it,  Vineet Sarvottam
 
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Dear Mr Sandeep Gupta,
Bhagavad Gita aims at combining divinity, spirituality and social missiion. Its greatest message is in Verse 2-3 "" Arise from this paltry faint heartedness, O scorcher of your enemies" If by reading Bhagavaad Gita more harm is being done to you, it is because you are accepting Formal equivalence and NOT Dynamic Equivalence of the teachings of Bhagavd Gita. Lokmanya Tilak. Gokhale, Gandhi ji and many others accepted the Dynamic Equivalence of Bhagavd Gita and finally succeeded in attaining Independence. Thus all later verses should make you arise and not depressed.
 
The idea of ephemeral world MAYA- Cosmic Delusion is that do not live only in the material world which is an illusion of comfort in this vast turbulent sea of matter, the Real world is within you so combine both. Thus message is very clear if a person lives only in the material world of senses, his/her Human Nature is vastly diffreent i.e. ungrateful, fickle, deceitful, cowardly and avercious. If a person combines both- Inner Real world and outer world of vast turbuleent sea of matter, the Human Nature changes to love, harmony, others welfare, healthy community life and selfless activity for the larger Community. 
Bhagavd Gita no where says lose interest in wordly objects. Acquire worldly objects by developing positive Human Nature. Always keep verse 2-3 in mind and interpret later verses of Bhagavad Gita to ensure thatse make you arise to your selfless duty towards society.
 
with regards,
Prem Sabhlok

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Divine One!
The Lord is everything and being. Be compassionately detached. See the
essence. Be good and do good. "Detachment" doesn't mean running away from
the world, rather one has to change the way of looking at the world. Lord
Krishna never advised Arjuna to run away. He told Arjuna to fight always
thinking about Him, surrendering all the actions and fruits to Him and see
Him in every thing and being.

Thank you!

humble regards
-m
Manoj Panda
 
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Your observation is for real. This is exactly what happens during start ups. This shows that you are indeed sincere in reading Gitaji. May I now suggest that you not only read but also contemplate (and contemplate deep) on the subject. Please carefully read verse 47 in Chapter 2. Also relate this to verse 7 in chapter 8. Our Lord has ordered that we have to do our duty most efficiently but should not get attached to that activity in terms of results. Additionally, at all times we should remember HIM.
 
I distinctly remember one case which had disturbed me and on which I was lucky to have sought clarity from Swamiji Maharaj. In the interest of business we had to thin down the man power. This lead to a lot of misery to the families of the staff who were eased out. And this pained me a lot. So I asked Maharaj ji as to what I should do. He told me in no unclear terms that I should work like a muneem. The business actually belongs to god. He has given me the opportunity to look after the same to the best of my capability and ensure that the business runs profitably. It is only then will I be appreciated by HIM. The mistake we make is that we start thinking that the business in ours, but at the same time start applying the half understood (or rather misunderstood) interpretation of Gitaji. This is where there is a desperate need for guidance from GURU.
 
I recollect another experience from another sadhak. He explained that he has started feeling that he is not the body. But when ever he would have this feeling, his inner voice would say if you are not the body, please put it on a railway track. He then asked his Guruji as to what he should do. The answer he got was that if he is not the body who has given him the right to put it on the railway track. Will he put any body else's body on the track.
 
I sincerely hope that these thoughts will give you some lead.
 
A. H. Dalmia
 
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Shree Hari
Ram Ram
Pirya Sadhak, achhe prasana ke liye dhanyavad!
Congratulations for practicing Gita prionciples in life.
Based on Swamiji Maharaj's teachings, humbly submit the following comments: 
For the sincere seekers while studying Gitaji coming up of vairagya is very natural. Vairagya by nature is dry, generally, it is without prema and may seem a bit harsh even though not intended to be as such. But for the seekers of Jnana path, it is a must to have vairagya from the worldly things and the worldly relationships.
Vairagya is bothersome only when we leave the relationships out of the feeling of davesha but instead when we develop the vairagya with the understanding that all the visible universe is constantly changing and the events, things & situations are only of temporary nature. As we observe our own experience, the separation with the world is a must, whether it leaves us or we leave it. Developing vairagya in this fashion is much easier to deal with.    
For common folks like us, Swamiji Maharaj recommends the path of Bhakti, it is relatively easier since the requirement of vairagya is not a prerequisite. Loving relationship with God is the only requirement. A bhakta believes that everything and everyone belongs to God only and devotee serves the world as God's one grand family (Vasudev Kutumbkam) with a loving attitude. With this mind set, everything is changed, the devotee dedicates all actions to God. This also provides a natural outlet to express our true inherent nature to love all. No new actions need to be done, whatever we normally do, now are done with a loving attitude as an adoration to the Almighty. 
In Gitaji, different paths have been prescribed for the single goal of achieving union with the Supreme. One has to find out which of four Yogas (Jnana, Karma, Bhakti or Rajya) is most suitable for one to start with. In the end, of course there is no difference, all paths help the seekers to achieve the same goal. The choice of which Yoga to pursue first is based on our inherent tendencies, for example, for a person with devotional tendencies, choice of pursuing Jnana yoga may not prove to be natural.
This subject is covered extensively in Gitaji, few references are:
Gita (4-24) -"Brahma arpanam brahma havir, brahmagnau brahmana hutam
                  brahamai eva tena gantavyam, brahmakrmasamadhina"
    Meaning - The act of offering in sacrifice is Brahma, the oblation is Brahma,
                  the sacrificer himself is Brahma, the sacrificial fire as well is
                  Brahma; Brahma verily he attains who realizes the presence of
                  Brahma in action.
Gita (9-27) -"Yat karishi yad asnasi, yay juhosi dadasi yat
                  yat tapasyasi Kaunteya, tat kurusva madarpapnam"
    Meaning - O son of Kunti whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you
                  offer as oblation to the sacred fire, whatever you bestow as a
                  gift; whatever you do by way of penance, offer all to me.  
Gita (18-46) "Yatah pravrttir bhatanam, yena sarvam idam tatam
                   svakarmana tam abhyarcya, siddhim vindati manavah"
     Meaning - He from Whom all beings emanate and by Whom all this
                   pervaded, by worshipping Him through performance of his own
                   duty, man attains perfection.
NOTE: The detailed explanation on this subject is contained in 
         "Yoga Vasishta" when Sri Rama develops a vairagya from the world.
 
Ram Ram
 
Humble pranam
A sadhak 
Madan Kaura
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Dear Sundeep,
 
It's an initial phase. Don't be scared. Others around you, who are not following the Gita, will also make you worried about such a possibility. I would say that you should ignore them and not discuss much with them.
 
Be with the phase. It will give some meaningful insights. There will be some initial 'harm', or rather 'loss', till you become detached-without-being-worried. Then you will reach the next plane where whatever you do will be with greater purpose and meaning, or, at least, greater clarity.
 
It may even take more than a year.
 
The worry about losing a zest for life is natural but incorrect. And, anyway, all your old friends are there to pull you back in a pre-Gita mode of life whenever you want it :-)
 
Ram Ram
Vinay Somani
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Dear Sundeep,
 
Love and Love alone....
 
You are Sun-deep. Why are you, then, worried about the light and the heat?
 
Let me try to explain in my own humble way. Fire burns, sugar tastes and sweet, hurt pains, etc. etc. Like wise, Srimad Bhagavad Gita (SBG) teaches those qualities, by inculcating and imbibing which we get back to our original nature of a human being. Undoubtedly, these qualities are our original traits, but we forgot, having allowed ourselves to be allured by this glittering world. These qualities are, Vairaya, Tyaga, Unconditional Love, Complete Surrender, Nishkama Karma, etc., to quote and SBG is the repository of teachings to acquire them in this life itself. You, having started the journey, got scared like Arjuna. My dear Sundeep, drive deep in Sun ( i.e., in your Sadhana) and I am sure, all these will not trouble you anymore.
 
Love and Love alone....
 
P. Gopi Krishna
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Dear Sadhaka, Namaste You may want to re-read answer given by Bharathiji, it is very appropriate. If you are feeling fully satisfied and peaceful within yourself so you need not depend on objects of the world to fulfil yourself, then it is the best thing that can happen to anyone. If you are afraid of losing interest in objects, then the message of Gita has probably not sunk in as yet. Dettachment is objectivity, love and as a result, the right perspective toward objects! It is Freedom!
 
Pratap Bhatt
 
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The speaker (teacher) ,the listener (disciple) and the context has changed completely.Geeta is all about the war between the two different mindsets,one leading to happiness,joy and peace in life and other mindset leading to unhappiness ,chaos and sorrow in life.The true understanding of Geeta prepares a man to engage continuosly in this internal war.One has to perform the materialistc duties and remain alert of the mindset.
 
regards
 
A K Jain 
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Dear colleagues, I have scanned through your writings and the most important point on losing interest on worldly matters and material things. Before realisation all these mundane things were our ultimate What was originally meant for selfish end takes a plunge and it dies. The person who had been toiling to earn them now realises he is only a trustee of the wealth he has been blessed by the Lord and it has to be put to the upliftment of the down trodden. Hence the very same person works harder to acquire more of wealth so that it is put to use of less fortunate. The attitude changes, The interest and work remains. The purpose and meaning of wealth changes. The selfish man dies and the spiritual man rises from the ashes like the mystical Phoenix.bird. As per Sri Ramakrishna, the most spiritually evolved person is the one who is dead even when living. This means all the base qualities go to the grave and spiritual values take birth. Is there anything better ? Regards, Sridharan
 
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Dear Devine,
 
Sukh ( happiness, bliss) is eternal demand of soul and  is eternal nature of living beings. Whatever we do is for this sukh only. Till now, you were considering material (wordly) happiness as only happiness , passion. For enjoying that you need trinity :  1st you have desire (kamna) , then do some work for achiving it (karma) and then fortunate enough to realize the desire (prarabdh). Then only you get that - so called "happiness" which have 3 shortcomings: that happiness will not remain forever, either enjoyer or enjoyed will cease to exist and that temporary happiness will take you away from your real happiness - self bliss (by giving wrong sanskar)......
 
So, be assured that you are on right path.. The real bliss (self bliss, atma-sukh) can only be experienced once these desires for outer wordly sukh will cease. That anand, atma sukh will be vilakshan , that bliss will be exclusive in nature , it will be ever increasing , peaceful , constant bliss.....
 
You must be  already experiencing it and that drives you to continue to take shelter of Shreemad Bhagwat GITAji. You can continue on this path and in my personal opinion, try to listen to satsang from a Saint about GITAji , who has realized the knowledge of GITAji. Sadhak Sanjeeni by Swami RamSukhdasji can definitely help you .......  
 
Shree Hari sharanam .......
-Anil Maini
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Hello all, this is my humble opinion. Regarding the experience of Geeta, many people think that if we get into spirituality..we may lose interest in life etc etc..but my opinion is, once u start reading and practising Geeta, you will become more aware of everythinga nd u will start enjoying the life to the fullest since you will not worry much about the fruits of ur actions (in a way, you do not expect anything but instead take everything in your stride.).
But again, some of the verses in geeta or any other veda or upanishad, we need to understand the subtle meanings properly otherwise, if we interpret the meaning other than what it is, then it will cause different feeling in oneself.
 
For example: people think that leaving all the life and renouncing the family and everything is renounciation. but if u observe closely the verses of Geeta, its mental renounciation that it mentions about and not at the physical level. Once way, its ok that u lost interest in car etc etc and now that means u know that the actual happiness does not lie in there. but again, its ok to enjoy each and everything too but at the mental level, youa re seeing the object/objects as they really are.
 
Also, please do not stress or force  yourself that you need to become spiritual etc etc..just do it as the love towards God or towards human beings or towards Spirituality and then, you will not worry much about what will happen if u lose interest in life etc etc. because you love to do whatever you are doing (either spirituality or anything..) so, why do u worry about anything what will happen in future at all. Have a nice evening.
Bharathi
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My view is very diff from most people. This is how I believe the Geeta state freedom from obsession about the result should be: You will enjoy driving your car more (not less) as you have no stress, tension, worry, etc. However when you do not have a car, you will be detached enough that you will not get frustrated, angry, or sad. You may be uncomfortable without the AC when you go by taxi, but you will not be complaining or be pissed off. Instead you may notice something else that will give you joy (maybe you will have a conversation with the taxi driver, maybe you will instead call your friend on your cell and forget the heat...)

I know that most people will not share this view. People shun material things, but material things are also made by God! Why is that Gita-followers think they should admire a flower and have in your house, but not admire beautiful Italian marble? Everything is made by God.

regards

Siddharth

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It is simply great that you hav esarted losing interest in things which keep
you attached to worldly pleasures, which are ephemeral. Many have been
trying for years, but not able to leave the atachment. You are on the right
path and keep practicing without worrying for the results . As you progress
further with your pursuits for achieving Higher Values of Life, everything
will become clear. Vaidyanathan

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Over the last year, I went through the same thing - I had a loss of zest for life, because I felt that there was no point to anything. That life was all predetermined, that we had little control and that we should exercise faith constantly and battle what ever is given to us. I also felt that I couldn't relate to people, not that I was above them, but rather that I didn't know what to say to anyone. All of this is a passing phase. You have to get through it to get past it and know there is an amazing beauty through the process and past the process. First, your cognizant you are going through it and next put your faith in god and know that you will move forward on to the next state that is meant for you. But, as often as you can do Namsmaran, the rest will fall into place. This whole process acted as a natural filter for me for what was core and essential to my life and what wasn't. Where I should NOT spend my time on a daily basis (not worrying) and where I should concentrate my efforts (helping others, gratitude, prayer). But again, go through it, know you are being led by the divine one himself, have full faith and make observations mentally or written down (whatever works). You will come to see so much in SO little time.

Hemal

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Is interest in worldly possessions is being subdued forcibly or naturally weakening
because of understanding the non necessity of them for life?
Does worldly pleasures and acquisitions lead to life or lead one away from life?
Is not the mind that is indulged in possession and accumulation of wealth so self centered that it is totally insensitive to everything, from the environment, to fellow beings, to the existence it self?
Is not such self-centered isolation, death itself?
Unfortunately in our commercial culture, life is measured by the money one has earned, but those who have seen the real nature of life, who have experienced the life as it is, know the beauty and joy of it, and know that there is nothing in the world, the possession of which is in any way necessary for the endless joy. The acquiring mind can never understand the beauty of natural and spontaneous renunciation which fills the life with the infinite joy and peace. Forced renunciation can be very dangerous, instead understanding the reasons why one is renouncing and understanding the mind obsessed with possessiveness and acquisition is very helpful. It comes with satsanga.
Forced renunciation in order to achieve some hypothetical end, whether it is God or Moksha or liberation is not renunciation at all, but a bargain.

It is also to be seen whether the ephermality of life has been seen or it is just a concept? If it has been observed, all the colours of it, all the pain and joy of it, then it is no longer idea, it will be reality and there will not be any question, there is no choice at all. However, if it is just an idea, unexamined and accepted from scriptures without understanding as it is, then it is still an idea, and subsequent problems.
Yogesh Katare

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OK i have not started reading the Gita yet but i notice that since i started pranayam (breathing) and trying to do yoga and reading sadhaka e-mails, I noticed the same thing and i think that it is a good thing and a bad thing ..because i noticed that when I'm around my friends that i really don't want to talk about what they talk about ( sports ,tv ,,, shows and girls ) It is like all this stuff is crazy ....our mind is always chasing afer something, ..... so I'll just say you started it now it is time that you finish it and don't be scared to fall out of the sky .....DeChef  >>>>>>>Parker>>>>>>

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nice pl note gita is for duty,activity and promote svadharma and get it into devotion that your period of life would be used for action without attachment to it much.

From: Prabhakar C L

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Jai SHri Krishna Its really nice to know that your reactions like anger have mellowed down, by practicing the teachings of Shrimad Bhagwad Gita. Please understand that following these teachings can NEVER harm you. It will for sure help you to achieve the ultimate goal of human life. ANd prorably quite quickly in your case. About your confusion and losing int. in various objects, pl. try to analyse your self how this has happened. Answer is there itself. May be you have misinterpreted some thing.

Krishna.lovesus

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Beautiful discussion, because these are real experiences.
 
I too went through the same phase. In fact I was worried what is becoming of me. I used to complain that there is too much focus on vairagya in our scriptures.
 
But over time, I have become more effective and enthusiastic and able to enjoy the moment a little better, because the mind is not preoccupied with thoughts and worries. I think doing meditation (or asan,pranayam + meditation) in parallel is usefull because sometimes these give you experiences of peace which now motivate you to work for these higher experiences.
 
Also, if I feel I had too much of dose, I do go out and be a little "worldly" for sometime and that is OK too.
 
Wish you all the best.

 

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Namaskar all,

In the Bhagavad Gita the essence (nectar) of the Vedical knowledge is written down in condensed verses (Sanskrit sutras). Many intelligent and famous persons judged this sophisticated book of the Hindu civilization on planet earth (solar system) as an excellent and brilliant product of the human mind.

Many years ago while I was suffering (sick, mental pains, loneliness, depressions, suicidal ...) and during a dark period when everybody had already forgotten me, a sannyasi visited my lonely and dirty home and brought the Bhagavad Gita for me. I did not know anything about Hinduism during that time. Nowadays, at this finite moment, I can say truly that the GITA is my holy savior and my Golden Cow, which gave me the nectar of Eternal Knowledge and youthness. My whole mind has been regenerated by the GITA, which gave me new life and happiness. That's why I decided to challenge all intelligent (humanoid) lifeforms on earth with this international contest on the Bhagavad Gita. For me, as a mortal and limited lifeform, this historical work of the Hindus on earth contains only truth and I am not able to prove that even a single sutra is not true.

My statement is:

The whole Bhagavad Gita is true (boolean value=1)......... 

(msg.  shortened due to length) 

Dewanand of the Netherlands

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Shree Hari
Ram Ram

(IN ENGLISH)
Shri Gitaji has been in existence of at least last 5,000 years, but
this life transformed simply from the meaning of Gita Shloka 18:66,
as explained by Shraddhey Swami Ramsukhdasji, in very simple
language. The difficulty was that how to surrender to (to take
refuge in) Bhagavaanji ? Swamiji simply gave this mantra "Brother,
there is nothing to do in surrendering. That which you understand
to be yours, simply do not consider it to be yours, then you have
taken refuge in Bhagavaan, because everything is already
Bhagavaan's. We in the midst somewhere, out of misunderstanding,
consider and hold on to it as ours, is a mistake that needs to be
corrected / wiped out. This itself is surrendering to Bhagavaan.
Isn't it correct? When there is distress, then simply by listening
to this, everything will become all right. There is nothing before
or after it, in the understanding of Gitaji. Swamiji had said -
"When you target one, all stand achieved." Thus it has been
attained. Just as it happened and took place, exactly the same has
been shared.

Ram Ram
Sarvottam


(IN HINDI)
Shri Gitaji toh pichale paanch hajjaar varshonse hai, kintu yeh
jeevan badal gayaa maatre Gita Shloka 18:66 ke arth Shraddhey Swami
Ramsukhdasji ki saral bhaashaa mein samajhne se. Katheenaayi thi ki
Bhagavaanji ko samarpan kaise kare ? Swamiji ne bas itnaa mantra
diyaa "Bhaiyye, samarpan kuch karanaa nahin hai. Bas jisse apnaa
samjhate ho, usse apanaa mat samjho, toh ho gaye Bhagavaanji ko
samarpeet, kyaunki sab hai hi Bhagavaan kaa hi. Hum beechmein usse
jo samajh baithe us galtee ko mitaanaa hai. Yahin Bhagavaan ko
samarpan karanaa hai. Theek hai na?" Jab kuch vikal hotaa hai, toh
isseeko sun lete hi sab theek ho jaataa hai. Iske naa aage ne
peeche, Shri Gitajeeka samajhnaa hua. Swamiji ne kahaa, "Ek saadhe,
sab sadhe" so sadh liyaa. Jo jaisaa hua, waisaa hi bataa diyaa.
hai.

Ram Ram
Sarvottam
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Dear Friends

Three years back somebody offered me Yatharth Gita by Adgadanandji.I
completed first reading of Gita in 4 days and since then have
read/listened to many times ,alone and in group.

I left job in January and work as consultant/advisor to persons
spiritualy inclined and willing to spread the teachings of Gita.

The most important slokas of Gitaji which had impact on me are
13/22, 5/14, 4/7&8, 5/14, 16/21 and 18/61,62 & 73.

It is important to spread Dharma to fellow being to penetrate the
veil of illusion (maya).

The only objective of writing this mail is to assure friends that
reading Gita continuously has immense benefit, beyond words.

regards

A K JAIN
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Dear Sadhaks
I was given Gitaji (ISKON) having never heard of it before, I was 26
years old. I knew it was good so I put it on my bookself for 7 years
unopened when my children came along. I decided to read it to them
and I have since not put it down. I read 1 shloka in sanskrit a day.
It has changed me, now I tell my teenage children to read it, they
but they don't listen. Educated by in the west I now consider my
self a recovering Hindu and have concluded any person of Hindu
descent who speaks mainly in English and claims no belief in Bhagwan
are "infected" and need help just like me

Jayesh A Patel
Jai Shree Krishna
Ram Ram

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It's really nice to hear of someone saying that we are all
descendants of the Almighty. If only everyone in the world will
believe this, there will be no racism/ casteism / religious
intolerance, fighting / killing between different religions/faiths
etc.

But, I guess, those who realise this feeeling/fact will always be
the ones who are open to ideas, and not the radicals, with fixed
notions about 'A' God, with minimum broad-mindedness.

Kalidasan
"Kalidas Vaidyanathan"

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I am an engineer and management specialist for livilihood. In Nov
1999 at Hyderabad in the hotel, I found a book Yatharth Gita written
by Swami Adgadnand ji on the side table of my bed. On that day, I
felt my body becoming very light and vibrating and calm. This was
first experience. My grand father (nana ji) was a sanskrit scholor
and he studied Bhagwat Gita written by Gandhi, and knew Gandhi
personally. In my family, it was considered highest duty towards all
died family members if children grow up and study Bhagwat as well
as RamChart Manas. He did not force me to study it, and said that at
proper time, you will catch fire of the Bhagwat Gita. He thought me
that Bhagwat Gita is the fire and humans are wood, and it is not
choice of the wood, but that of the fire.

I was compulsive practitioner of mathematics as all managers do, and
that limited me in undertanding non mathematical or selfless
behaviour. I was then thinking that I earn somehow and if I study
Bhagwat Gita, I may be less clever and go begging. But Bhagwat Gita
turned out to be a book of management. Mathematics is for
accountants and not leaders. It said that one should worship Him by
work, and do it best way; not like what other pundits recommend.
Krishna 's teaching is phlosophy of life and beyond, On the side of
world, it then turned out that business improved without effort and
relatonship with others improved. More I concentrated on work and
purity of its quality, more calm, it was and more energy in my life.

First sloka was from Chapter 13
Updrishta numanta ..................
Which I have referered in Gita Talk countless time.
Now I study the real world with the thoery of Bhagwat Gita. I work
effortlessly, and defenselessly, and yet have all prosperity, and
relationship and love from all.

But in the end, I always remember myself, who was a cruel and hard
task master and busy in planning. And I want every one of us,
especally managers to learn Bhagwat Gita or more correctly said that
Bhagwat Gita should read/burn them in Her fire. I now want every one
to know the Bhagwat Gita just as it occured to me. I cannot see
people who are ignorant of the concept of the Bhagwat Gita, but feel
handicap in helping all of them.

Best regards
K G
(Krishna Gopal)
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Dear Sadaks,
Like Komal there are numerous people experiencing this. People who
does not happen to experiencre this will not believe.
For me: I want to buy some thing I do not get. Little later I
realize better I did not buy it. I was been disturbed by my brother
to leave the house where we were all staying together. I told My
wife that GOD is taking care just ignore my brothers words, and
never even think of it. I got a palacial house, left my job and did
business - money flowed, children got married and settled. I was
thinking that I should retire from activity at 50 - that happened.
Some one talking to me about Badrinath - tears came, next month
itself a pilgrimage took place of Badrinath, Mathura, Kasi, Puri etc
where in each temple Dharshan was special, though I knew No one but
GOD, saints blessed me. I thought I should sit in solitude and shed
tears on GOD - a house on hill top amidst nature came. Whole family
sticks to Ekadasi Vratham, kindness, pooja and listening scripts and
puranas from my library. Just a month back my family and me were to
go to Guruvayur (South Dwaraka) krishna temple, few hours before the
trip my daughter developed severe back pain, doctor said tumour on
spine - HB 8.2 count low, 3 times tested the result was same - risk
of life. I alone traveled to Sri Krishna temple, even though
doctors abused me. On returning, daughter's - HB was 10.9, tumor
reduced, minor operation done, my daughter recovered shortly.
I know my family is maya and Sri Krishna is Sat. I simply keep HIM
alone in my heart. I know that my family members are perishable .
But Bagavan has been with me through out my many lifetimes (jalmas).
B.Sathyanarayan


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Jai Shree Krishna, I just wanted to share my experience with all the
members of this group. I am a student of Biotechnology and for me it
was a totally a new subject in the 1st yr {of my college}. I read
GITAJI daily with my FATHER and MOTHER and also used to during my
examinations. During that period of my life, I slowly came to know
how to talk to GOD that is how to listen and reply to your inner
voice just because of GITAJI. I had my Biotech practical exam and
that day I was a bit nervous. I thought that GOD please give me
those experiments to perform which I know best, I was getting
nervous. I was handed my question paper and I got two of the
experiments which I had never done, I just knew the theory. I was
about to get more nervous then suddenly a voice came from inside of
me "WHY DO U WORRY WHEN I'M WITH YOU". I thought what was this and
then this sentence was repeated again and in addition "I'm with you
dont worry I'll help you in perform this experiment" I just couldn't
believe that there really was GOD helping me because it was my 1st
experience rather I should say the 1st time that I learned to
recognize GOD's voice. I don't care whether any one believes or not
but during the whole experiment i.e 5 hrs I was guided by someone
and that is GOD, literally as if somebody is standing beside me
helping me at every step. I was even complemented by my teachers
for performing the experiment well. I just want to say that GITAJI
is not just a book its a living experience, a realization. Its the
life and essentiality for the Soul. It takes us closer to the
recognition that "yes" we are the descendants of the ALMIGHTY. This
was my experience any comments are welcome.

AT THY LOTUS FEET

Komal Gurdasani
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[gita-talk] Re: Gita Jayanti Wishes from Sadhaks

 

Shree Hari 
Ram Ram
On this holy day of Gita Jayanti,  I solemnly resolve, to remain ever fully engaged in spreading the message of the Gita.
 
Vineet Sarvottam
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All are requested to celebrate Gita Jayanti. For complete peace please read the whole of Bhgavada Gita.
Otherwise read and recite Chapter XII or chapter XV of Gita.
Always recite one to three slokas for happy happenings in the whole day
I always read Chapter XV of Gita
There are many advantages of reciting Gita.and its Mahatmaya with meaning
Remember Vir Arjoon
Recite lord Krishna's songs or bhajan every day

Truly yours
 
S S Bhatt
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Gita Jayanti Greetings to all from Geeta Study Groups in Wellingborough & Ilford.
Let the knowledge continue to inspire & enlighten us all.
Drs Aruna & BalMukund Bhala.

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thanks regards, D.P. Kothari

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Wish all my soulmates a happy geetha jayanthi. Let Geethama take us all into her lap at the time of our troubles and turmoils to console us with her courageous talk
   thank you  
Badri Narayana Miriyala

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Dear Sadhakas
Hare Krishna

We wish You all a very happy Gita Jayanti Day.

Prasad.A.Iragavarapu, M.D

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All respected and beloved Atman

Ram Ram and Saprem Harismaran!

Vishesh Pranam and Ram Ram on the special occasion of Shri Gita-Jayanti

Madhusudan Bajoria

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........... remembering the Beloved on Gita Jayanthi ...................

KRUISHNA

Kruishna, Kruishna .....

Silently does nari sing your song

 Kruishna Kruishna Kruishna

In Silence does nari sing of Kruishna

 Kruishna , the Truth of Being

 Kruishna , The Love of Being

 Kruishna, the Bliss of Being

 Kruishna , the Beauty of Being

 Kruishna, the Light of Lights

Kruishna, in whose embrace,

Darkness becomes the womb of Light

The Sun, The Moon, The Stars

That shine and sing the Glory of the Self

The Self, who is Kruishna

The Light of Lights !

Krishna Krishna

 Silently nari sings your song

 Thou art  Truth

 Thou  the Light

 Thou, verily , the Love

 That You bring into nari’s Life

 To lead him into Your embrace

Nari sings and sings
while you Krishna play and play
your flute you play , my Beloved ...........

ah ! ................. nari madly dances to your flute .... 

........... and sings

 Kruishna, Kruishna .....

Silently does nari sing your song

 Kruishna Kruishna Kruishna

KRISHNA .............BELOVED GOVINDA ....

 Govinda,   My beloved Govinda !

 This moment Now     ....    Love. Blossoms in my heart

 As ...  Fragrance  of Love,

 Silence     One-ness     Being .

 Dancing merrily away

 As love and loving

 In myriads of flavours !

Ah, the joy of Being   ah, the mad flavor of  Love divine

Ah, the ecstasy that itself is the agony of nari's  yearning for the Beloved  

Dancing its dance   ....   Of  love and loving

 In myriads of flavours !

His Gift, His Joy, His sharnagati

Kruishna, Kruishna, Kruishna

The Lord of Love ..............ah !

AUM

narinder  bhandari

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Shri Hari Ram Ram

WISH YOU ALL A VERY HAPPY GITA JAYANTI !!

 Remember aim of life is God realisation

Thanks

& Regards

Pawan Kumar Singhal

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Wish all my soulmates a happy geetha jayanthi. Let Geethama take us all into her lap at the time of our troubles and turmoils to console us with her courageous talk
   thank you  
Badri Narayana Miriyala

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Dear Sadhakas
Hare Krishna

We wish You all a very happy Gita Jayanti Day.

Prasad.A.Iragavarapu, M.D

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All respected and beloved Atman

Ram Ram and Saprem Harismaran!

Vishesh Pranam and Ram Ram on the special occasion of Shri Gita-Jayanti

Madhusudan Bajoria

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........... remembering the Beloved on Gita Jayanthi ...................

KRUISHNA

Kruishna, Kruishna .....

Silently does nari sing your song

 Kruishna Kruishna Kruishna

In Silence does nari sing of Kruishna

 Kruishna , the Truth of Being

 Kruishna , The Love of Being

 Kruishna, the Bliss of Being

 Kruishna , the Beauty of Being

 Kruishna, the Light of Lights

Kruishna, in whose embrace,

Darkness becomes the womb of Light

The Sun, The Moon, The Stars

That shine and sing the Glory of the Self

The Self, who is Kruishna

The Light of Lights !

Krishna Krishna

 Silently nari sings your song

 Thou art  Truth

 Thou  the Light

 Thou, verily , the Love

 That You bring into nari’s Life

 To lead him into Your embrace

Nari sings and sings
while you Krishna play and play
your flute you play , my Beloved ...........

ah ! ................. nari madly dances to your flute .... 

........... and sings

 Kruishna, Kruishna .....

Silently does nari sing your song

 Kruishna Kruishna Kruishna

KRISHNA .............BELOVED GOVINDA ....

 Govinda,   My beloved Govinda !

 This moment Now     ....    Love. Blossoms in my heart

 As ...  Fragrance  of Love,

 Silence     One-ness     Being .

 Dancing merrily away

 As love and loving

 In myriads of flavours !

Ah, the joy of Being   ah, the mad flavor of  Love divine

Ah, the ecstasy that itself is the agony of nari's  yearning for the Beloved  

Dancing its dance   ....   Of  love and loving

 In myriads of flavours !

His Gift, His Joy, His sharnagati

Kruishna, Kruishna, Kruishna

The Lord of Love ..............ah !

AUM

narinder  bhandari

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Shri HariRam Ram

WISH YOU ALL A VERY HAPPY GITA JAYANTI !!

 Remember aim of life is God realisation

Thanks

& Regards

Pawan Kumar Singhal

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An eye opener....Zeitgeist Addendum-the movie From: karmayog.org
11a.
SATYA - BMC - Miscellaneous - H / West Ward From: info@karmayog.org
12.
CSR - Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd - New Delhi, DL - Engineering / M From: info@karmayog.org
13.
CSR - BEML Ltd. - Bangalore, KA - Heavy Engineering From: info@karmayog.org
14.
CSR - Bharat Forge Ltd - Pune, MH - Engineering / Machinery From: info@karmayog.org
15.
UNITE 0079 Mens help line From: masihanil23@yahoo.co.in
16.
CSR - Bharat Petroleum Corporation Ltd - Mumbai, MH - Petroleum and From: info@karmayog.org
17.
Dr Neal Barnard's hospital talks in Mumbai From: Nandita Shah
18.
Valuing people more for what they did than who they are From: karmayog - tanya
19.
Re: CSR - Mastek Ltd. - Mumbai, MH - Software and ITES From: karmayog.org
20.
December 2, 2009 - "Parenting-giving your Child great Self-Image" From: HELP LIBRARY
21.
10-11 Dec.: WWF Panda Festival of Environment, Mumbai From: karmayog - tanya
22.
New volunteer - volavl2523 - Ms. Arwa Lokhandwala - Belapur - Belapu From: arwa.architect@gmail.com
23.
ASK -- Advice Sought 0420 life threatning disease -  pulmonary embol From: vijay.r.kumar@relianceada.com
24.
Education - Run for Education support Muktangan From: kutilausha@gmail.com

Messages

1.

Happy Gita Jayanti

Posted by: "karmayog.org" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:31 am (PST)



Oct 28th is Gita Jayanti

Is Gita for Humanity at large or Hindus only? Is it for any caste within Hindus? It must depend on what is mentioned in it. I'm asking this question because I know very little about the Gita. There are some spiritual books and practices which are limited to a particular caste within a religion or require conversion, therefore I am seeking clarification with this question.
Sri Ram Balu
----------------------------------------------------------

Dear Balu,
No where in Bhagwat Gita has the word "Hindu" occured. No where have the word "Dharma" meaning RELIGION come up, though the words Karma & Dharma have been used with about 30 or so different meanings in the Bhagwad gita .
the advice is meant for the humanity. There were no religions, so to say, at that time when the Gita was narrated. No where has Lord said specifically,"Do this..."
He has only shown the way. He has time & again said " Use your intellect and decide. "
It is for us to follow the teachings and benefit from them. Good luck good reading...
Ram Ram ; Suhas Gogate

----------------------------------------------------------
Namaste:
Gita is teaching us what our true identity is, what this world we live in is, and what God is experiencially. Then It teaches us how to get there. In Gita , Lord Krishna need not be considered historical figure, even though he was. He is Pure Consciousness which we all share or rather are! An individual thinks in ignorance that his/her identity is body just by thinking and believing it to be true. These beliefs in turn become Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Indians, Chinees, Europeans etc etc. Thses condition/limits us and result into suffering as we know well.
So to be happy we need to be free from false identifications regardless of our castes, religions, nationalities, and other such identities. This is Gita's teaching in summary. Therefore it is for all mankind, those of us who want to be happy, peaceful, loving human beings. Since it is not restricted to Hindus, it cannot be restricted to any caste.

Pratap Bhatt

All past 3111+ messages are accessible and searchable at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gita-talk/

22,700+ sadhakas
2.

November 30, 2009 - "Chakra Psychology"

Posted by: "HELP LIBRARY" helplibrary@gmail.com

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:37 am (PST)



Dear Madam,

We wish to inform all Karmayog members about our free talk at HELP

HELP ( Health Education Library for People ) is organizing a free talk on* *
*"Chakra Psychology**"* by *Dr. Atul Pednekar ***on* 30th November, 2009*at
*3.30 pm* at HELP ( Health Education Library for People ) 206, National
Insurance Building, Dr.D.N.Road, Wallace Street, Mumbai 400 001.To register
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3.

Email ID of Ms. J.Bhandoola hacked

Posted by: "karmayog - tanya" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:37 am (PST)




Janki Bhandoola's email ID (jbhandoola@yahoo.com) has been hacked and the email below has been sent to all her contacts.

Ms. Bhandoola has requested anyone who receives the email below to delete the same and not to respond or reply to the email jbhandoola@yahoo.com - she will no longer be using the same.

www.karmayog.org

----- Original Message -----
From: janki bhandoola
To: undisclosed recipients:
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:56 PM
Subject: Help

Hello Dear ,
i am in a hurry writing this,sorry that i did not inform u before my traveling,I had a research trip to united kingdom(Cardiff),which is suppose to last for just three days, Unfortunately for me all my money got stolen on my way to the hotel where i lodged from the attack of some armed robbers and now i have been without any money i am even owing the hotel here,so the hotel telephone service is disconnected and it is still under construction at the moment,so i have only access to emails,i have been deprive for a lot of facility,my mobile phone cant work here so i didn't bring it along, please can you lend me 2,500dollars so i can return back home and settle the hotel bills i am owing here,i will really appreciate it. i would return it back to you in full as soon as i get home,you can also give me your account details so i can transfer the money back to your account immediately i get back home. I am so confused right and disorganized now.You can have it sent through western union money transfer it is faster and easier i think, I have already spoken to the hotel manager to please give me few days to pay out my debit,please let me hear from you so i can give u the information where you can send the money as soon as possible please so i can get out of here quickly. I am waiting for your reply.I am looking forward to your positive response,thank you.

With kind regards,
Janki

4a.

CSR - Bannari Amman Sugars Ltd - Coimbatore, TN - Sugar

Posted by: "info@karmayog.org" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:38 am (PST)



CSR Details of Bannari Amman Sugars Ltd , Coimbatore , TN
Bannari Amman Sugars Ltd - has no Corporate Social Responsibility
Activities

Company Contact Information

Company Name: Bannari Amman Sugars Ltd

Registered Address: 1212 Trichy Road

City: Coimbatore

State: Tamil Nadu

Pincode: 641 018

Phone: 0422-2302277

Fax: 0422-2309999

Email Id 1: bascbe@vsnl.com
<mailto:bascbe@vsnl.com?cc=info@karmayog.org>

Email Id 2: shares@bannari.com
<mailto:shares@bannari.com?cc=info@karmayog.org>

Website : http://www.bannari.com

Year of Establishment: 1984

Name of the Chairman / CEO: Dr. S V Balasubramaniam

Designation: Chairman & Managing Director

Company Profile

Company Slogan: Strive to perform best at all times.

Company's Vision Statement: None

Company's Mission Statement: None

Special notes: As on 25-11-09, no information on CSR on the company
website

Type of Company: Private Sector (operating in India only)
Industry Sector: Sugar

Products / Services: 1. White crystal sugar
2. Power co-generation
3. Alcohol

No. of employees: 1171

Other locations of factories / offices: Offices in Chennai, Bangalore,
New Delhi Plants at Erode District (Tamilnadu), Mysore District
(Karnataka), Chamarajanagar District (Karnataka), Tirunelveli District
(Tamilnadu)

Financial result for time period: April 2008 - March 2009
- Sales Rs. 720 Crores
- Profit before tax Rs. 132 Crores
- Net profit after tax Rs. 120 Crores
- CSR Budget Nil
Karmayog CSR 2008 Rating: 0/5

Link : http://www.karmayog.org/csr1to500/csr1to500_19213.htm
Karmayog CSR 2007 Rating: Not rated

Posted on: 25 Nov, 2009 www.karmayog.org/csr2009
5.

CSR - Berger Paints (India) Ltd - Kolkata, WB - Paint

Posted by: "info@karmayog.org" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:38 am (PST)



CSR Details of Berger Paints (India) Ltd , Kolkata , WB
Berger Paints (India) Ltd - has no Corporate Social Responsibility
Activities

Company Contact Information

Company Name: Berger Paints (India) Ltd

Registered Address: Berger House

129 Park Street

City: Kolkata

State: West Bengal

Pincode: 700017

Phone: 033-22299724/29

Fax: 033-22499729/9009

Email Id 1: consumerfeedback@bergerindia.com
<mailto:consumerfeedback@bergerindia.com?cc=info@karmayog.org>

Email Id 2: sudhirnair@bergerindia.com
<mailto:sudhirnair@bergerindia.com?cc=info@karmayog.org>

Website : http://www.bergerpaints.com/

Year of Establishment: 1923

Name of the Chairman / CEO: Mr. Kuldip Singh Dhingra

Designation: Chairman

Company Profile

Company Slogan: Imagine a shade, we paint it for you

Company's Vision Statement: None

Company's Mission Statement: None

Special notes: As on 26-11-09, no information on CSR available on the
company website

Type of Company: Private Sector (operating in India only)
Industry Sector: Paint

Products / Services: 1. Synthetic enamel ultra white paints
2. Synthetic enamel other colours
3. Acrylic emulsion

No. of employees: 2259

Other locations of factories / offices: Head office in Kolkata Factory
in Goa, Sikandrabad (Uttar Pradesh), New Delhi, Chennai, Jammu, Hooghly
(West Bengal), Pondicherry 82 Sales depots across the country and
12,000+ paint retailers.

Financial result for time period: April 2008 - March 2009
- Sales Rs. 1808 Crores
- Profit before tax Rs. 112 Crores
- Net profit after tax Rs. 83 Crores
- CSR Budget Not Disclosed
Karmayog CSR 2008 Rating: 0/5

Link : http://www.karmayog.org/csr1to500/csr1to500_19240.htm
Karmayog CSR 2007 Rating: 0/5

Link:
http://www.karmayog.org/csr500companies/csr500companies_7386.htm
Posted on: 26 Nov, 2009 www.karmayog.org/csr2009
6.

DailyGood: The Most Successful Rehab Program in the World

Posted by: "CharityFocus" clubs@charityfocus.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:38 am (PST)



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Street Foundation looks more like an upscale Mediterranean resort
than a commune for ex-cons. Inside the place is immaculate. This
foundation puts hardened criminals in charge of their own
recovery and it doesn't take a penny in grant money from the
United States government. Instead the residents support
themselves -- and each other -- by running a string of businesses
including a gourmet restaurant. It is a 500-strong family, and --
much like a normal family -- the punishment for those who step
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7.

Pigeon Story on USA's Website

Posted by: "NileshBhanage" NileshBhanage@asbi.co.in

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:38 am (PST)



INDIA: MUMBAI: NEVER SAY DIE
http://network.bestfriends.org/golocal/international/13827/news.aspx

Please thank Avinash for being a hero!

Sharon

Sharon St Joan
Editor - International Groups
Bird, Wildlife, and International Writer
Best Friends Network
Best Friends Animal Society, USA


Regards,


Nilesh Bhanage
www.pawsasia.org <http://www.pawsasia.org/>
"Hands that help are holier than lips that pray."

8.1.

NGO updates on Karmayog.org today

Posted by: "info@karmayog.org" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:38 am (PST)





Friday, November 27, 2009
Below is the list of 2 new NGO registrations, profiles, events, needs,
and uploads on www.karmayog.org today
It can be directly accessed at http://www.karmayog.org/ngoupdates/


List of Non-Profits registered on Karmayog on Friday, November 27, 2009
PEOPLE'S ORGANIZATION FOR CONSERVATION OF OMNIPRESENT NATURE - Others -
Manipur <http://www.karmayog.org/ngo/POFCON/>
iVolunteer Kolkata west bengal - Calcutta - West Bengal
<http://www.karmayog.org/ngo/IIVMkolkata/>


8.2.

NGO updates on Karmayog.org today

Posted by: "info@karmayog.org" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:40 am (PST)





Thursday, November 26, 2009
Below is the list of 1 new NGO registrations, profiles, events, needs,
and uploads on www.karmayog.org today
It can be directly accessed at http://www.karmayog.org/ngoupdates/


List of Non-Profits registered on Karmayog on Thursday, November 26,
2009

abhipraay - Others - Arunachal Pradesh
<http://www.karmayog.org/ngo/abhipraay/>


9.

CSR - BGR Energy Systems Ltd. - Ramapuram, AP - Engineering / Machin

Posted by: "info@karmayog.org" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:38 am (PST)



CSR Details of BGR Energy Systems Ltd. , Ramapuram , AP
BGR Energy Systems Ltd. - has no Corporate Social Responsibility
Activities

Company Contact Information

Company Name: BGR Energy Systems Ltd.

Registered Address: A-5, Pannamgadu Industrial Estate

Ramapuram Post, Sullurpet Taluk

Nellore District

City: Ramapuram

State: Andhra Pradesh

Pincode: 524401

Phone: 044-27948249

Fax: 044-27948359

Email Id 1: geadelhi@bgrenergy.com
<mailto:geadelhi@bgrenergy.com?cc=info@karmayog.org>

Email Id 2: mumbai@bgrenergy.com
<mailto:mumbai@bgrenergy.com?cc=info@karmayog.org>

Website : http://www.bgrcorp.com

Year of Establishment: 1985

Name of the Chairman / CEO: Mr. B. G. Raghupathy

Designation: Chairman & Managing Director

Company Profile

Company Slogan: None

Company's Vision Statement: None

Company's Mission Statement: None

Type of Company: Private Sector (operating in India only)
Industry Sector: Engineering / Machinery

Products / Services: 1. High Frequency Resistance Welded Finned
Tubes
2. Heat Recovery Steam Generators
3. Pressure Vessels
4. Columns and Reactors

No. of employees: 1396

Other locations of factories / offices: Corporate office in Chennai
Regional offices in New Delhi, Mumbai, Hyderabad Plant locations Ponneri
(Tamil Nadu), Tiruvallur District (Tamil Nadu) Also in China

Financial result for time period: April 2008 - March 2009
- Sales Rs. 1963 Crores
- Profit before tax Rs. 175 Crores
- Net profit after tax Rs. 116 Crores
- CSR Budget Nil
Karmayog CSR 2008 Rating: 0/5

Link : http://www.karmayog.org/csr1to500/csr1to500_19242.htm
Karmayog CSR 2007 Rating: Not rated

Posted on: 26 Nov, 2009 www.karmayog.org/csr2009
10.

An eye opener....Zeitgeist Addendum-the movie

Posted by: "karmayog.org" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:39 am (PST)



From: Parag Melvanki

Kindly watch the movie Zeitgeist Addendum on Youtube & on www.thezeitgeistmovement.com & spread the message.It is an eyeopener & needs to be urgently screened in all the concerned institutions.


Regards,

Dr Parag Melvanki
11a.

SATYA - BMC - Miscellaneous - H / West Ward

Posted by: "info@karmayog.org" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:39 am (PST)



SATYA (Suggest Action to Transform Your Area) Complaint / suggestion
Form has been filled on 28-11-2009

A. Details of complaint already filed with BMC
Date complaint filed with BMC 29 October 2009
Method of filing of complaint online via MCGM website
BMC Complaint no. 0720683767
Complained to HW Ward Officer
Response of BMC No response yet, it has been a month now
Follow-up through RTI?
No. Reason BMC is not bothered

B. Complaint Details
City Mumbai
Ward H / West
Area Santacruz (W)
Nearest Main Road Linking Road Extension
Problem Since Over a year
Category Miscellaneous
Sub-category MSC03 - Nuisance due to vagrants on muncipal
roads,footpaths,gardens
Brief Subject Illegal slums
Detailed Complaint
http://www.karmayog.org/Complaints/upload/1219/slums from balcony.JPG
<http://www.karmayog.org/Complaints/upload/1219/slums>
Suggestion for a Solution The police and the BMC should jointly
demolish these slums and ensure that these slums dont come up again by
constructing a fence or may be a playground or a proper tar road. So
that the land is occupied with some sort of activity which is beneficial
and hygenic for the society at large.

C. Complainant's Details
My Name Vinay Dalvi Display - Yes
Organisation na Display - Yes
Phone Number 9930061353 Display - Yes
Address Dheeraj Heritage Residency - II, Daulat Nagar,
Santacruz-West. Mumbai Display - Yes
Pincode 400054
12.

CSR - Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd - New Delhi, DL - Engineering / M

Posted by: "info@karmayog.org" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:40 am (PST)



CSR Details of Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd , New Delhi , DL
Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd - Corporate Social Responsibility
Activities are as follows

Company Profile

Company Slogan: None

Company's Vision Statement: A world class engineering enterprise
committed to enhancing stakeholder value

Company's Mission Statement: To be an Indian Multi-national
engineering enterprise provising total business solutions through
quality products, systems and services in the fields of Energy,
Industry, Transportation, Infrastructure and other potential areas.
Special notes: Quarterly and Annual CSR Reports are prepared; as on
27-11-09, these are not available on the company website.

Type of Company: PSU - Public Sector

Industry Sector: Engineering / Machinery

Products / Services: 1. Boilers other than parts
2. Complete generating sets including hydro turbines
3. Gas turbine of thrust exceeding 115000 KW.

No. of employees: 45666

Other locations of factories / offices: Manufacturing locations at
Bangalore, Bhopal, Goindwal, Haridwar, Hyderabad, Jagdishpur, Jhansi,
Rudrapur, Ranipet, Tiruchirappalli, Visakhapatnam Repair Units at
Mumbai, Varanasi 4 power sector regional centres and 18 regional offices
Financial result for time period: April 2008 - March 2009
- Sales Rs. 29154 Crores
- Profit before tax Rs. 4838 Crores
- Net profit after tax Rs. 3115 Crores
- CSR Budget Not Disclosed

CSR Activities

Trust / Foundation for CSR: No

CSR Areas: 1. Children
2. Community Welfare
3. Disaster Relief
4. Education
5. Energy
6. Environment
7. Healthcare
8. Rural Development
9. Senior Citizens

Three main CSR activities: a) Clean Coal Technology
b) Community Welfare
c) Education

Publish Sustainability Report: No

Member of Global Compact: Yes

CSR activities in brief: Pg. 2, Annual Report, Chairman's
address

Financial parameters are one of the indicators of performance. Going
forward, sustainable progress calls for a heightened level of creation
of value in other aspects as well. BHEL has put in place Corporate CSR
Policy to further build on its efforts of being a responsible corporate
citizen. To cater to the concerns for climate change, BHEL is making all
efforts to promote clean coal technology in the country.

---------------------------------
Pg. 13, Annual Report

BHEL has developed a CSR scheme and its Mission Statement on CSR is- "Be
a Committed Corporate Citizen, alive towards its Corporate Social
Responsibility ".

Corporate Social Responsibility.

Thrust is being given in eight areas- Self employment generation,
Environment protection, Community development, Education, Health
management & medical aids, Orphanages & Old-age Homes, Infrastructural
development and Disaster/ Calamity Management. Quarterly and annual CSR
reports are prepared containing the activities carried out, benefits
accrued to neighbouring communities, the number of people benefited and
the amount spent etc.

BHEL adopted 56 villages having nearly 80,000 inhabitants. In addition,
BHEL provides financial assistance to various NGOs/Trusts/Social Welfare
Societies that are engaged in social activities throughout the country.

The company reiterate its commitment to United Nation's Global compact
programme and the set of core values enshrined in its ten principles and
the intent to advance Global Compact principles within the company's
sphere of influence on human rights, labour standards, environment and
anti corruption.

---------------------------------
PARTICIPATION IN THE GLOBAL COMPACT OF THE

UNITED NATIONS

BHEL reiterates its commitment to United Nations Global Compact (UNGC)
Programme and set of core values enshrined in its ten principles on
human rights, labour standards, environment and anti corruption.

Company intents to advance GLOBAL COMPACT(G.C)

Principles as a responsible corporate citizen. BHEL has taken a lead
role in promoting G.C principles in other Indian organizations through
Global Compact Society (GCS) - an apex level nodal agency, formed by the
leading Indian Organizations. BHEL continued to remain in the forefront
in all activities of the Society as Secretary/GCS being BHEL nominee.
Notable activities of the year were, organizing National Convention on
Achieving Growth with Responsibility: The Global Compact Way on 10th
December 2008, convener of which was Director(HR) of BHEL and holding of
monthly meetings of the Society, through case studies/organizational
experience sharing, addressing the Global Compact principles in Indian
context.

In recognition of BHEL's contribution in support of Global Compact
programme and its outstanding Communication on Progress (COP), UNGC
continued to place BHEL under 'Notable COP' category. BHEL is an
environment friendly company in all its activities, products & services,
besides providing safe and healthy working environment to all its
stakeholders and has made UNGC programme as part of the Company's
strategy, culture and day-to-day operations.
-------------------------------
See attached Communication of Progress for 2008-2009


Additional CSR Information:
Additional Information 1: Communication of Progess 2008-2009
<http://www.karmayog.org/csrform/upload/477/1/66 - Bharat Heavy
Electricals.pdf>
CSR Website / Section:
http://www.bhel.com/healthsafety/global_compact.php

Company Contact Information

Company Name: Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd

Registered Address: BHEL House,

Siri Fort

City: New Delhi

State: Delhi

Pincode: 110049

Phone: 011 66337000 (multiple lines)

Fax: 011 26493021; +91 11 26492534

Email Id 1: query@bhel.com
<mailto:query@bhel.com?cc=info@karmayog.org>

Email Id 2: bprao@bhel.co.in
<mailto:bprao@bhel.co.in?cc=info@karmayog.org>

Website : http://www.bhel.com

Year of Establishment: 1964

Name of the Chairman / CEO: Mr. B.P. Rao

Designation: Chairman & Managing Director

Karmayog CSR 2008 Rating: 2/5

Link: http://www.karmayog.org/csr1to500/csr1to500_19271.htm

Karmayog CSR 2007 Rating: 2/5

Link:
http://www.karmayog.org/csr500companies/csr500companies_7390.htm
Posted on: 27 Nov, 2009 www.karmayog.org/csr2009
13.

CSR - BEML Ltd. - Bangalore, KA - Heavy Engineering

Posted by: "info@karmayog.org" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:40 am (PST)



CSR Details of BEML Ltd. , Bangalore , KA
BEML Ltd. - Corporate Social Responsibility Activities are as follows

Company Profile

Company Slogan: None

Company's Vision Statement: To become a market leader, as a
diversified company supplying products and services to Mining &
Construction, Railway & Metro and Defence Services and emerge as an
International Player.

Company's Mission Statement: 1. Improve competitiveness through
organizational transformation and collaboration / strategic alliances /
joint ventures in technology. 2. Grow profitably by aggressively
pursuing opportunities in national and international markets. 3. Attract
and build people in a rewarding and inspiring environment by fostering
creativity and innovation.

Type of Company: PSU - Public Sector

Industry Sector: Heavy Engineering

Products / Services: 1. Earth Moving Equipments
2. Spares And Others
3. Defence Items

No. of employees: 12600

Other locations of factories / offices: 4 manufacturing plants at
Bangalore, Kolar Gold Fields, Mysore and Tarikere (all in Karnataka)
Regional offices in Bilaspur, Chennai, Hyderabad, Kolkata, Mumbai,
Nagpur, New Delhi, Ranchi, Sambalpur, Singrauli 16 District Offices
Dealers across India Offices in China, Malaysia, Brazil, Indonesia
Financial result for time period: April 2008 - March 2009
- Sales Rs. 3188 Crores
- Profit before tax Rs. 387 Crores
- Net profit after tax Rs. 269 Crores
- CSR Budget Not Disclosed

CSR Activities

Trust / Foundation for CSR: No

CSR Areas: 1. Education
2. Employee Welfare
3. Healthcare
4. Physically Challenged
5. Rural Development

Three main CSR activities: a) Employee Welfare
b) Rural Development
c) Education

Publish Sustainability Report: No

Member of Global Compact: No

CSR activities in brief:
http://www.bemlindia.com/kgf_earthmoving.php

Fulfillment of Social Obligation

a) Educational Facilities

Kendriya Vidyalaya of grade +2 level, a High School, a Primary School,
two Nursery Schools and Junior College are provided to educate the
employees children. Typewriting and shorthand institute, computer
centers are run for the benefit of employees and employees children.

b) Welfare Measures

Apart from the above, Housing (Township) with 1500 Quarters for Officers
and Employees, Co-operative Stores, Sports, Rehabilitation of widows,
Welfare of physically handicapped, Welfare of SC/ST, full fledged
Medical Centre with over 100 bed capacity hospital equipped with all
modern facilities and a team of experienced Doctors and Para medical
staff, Transportation facilities, Workers education scheme, Labour
welfare fund schemes, Merit scholarship for employees children, etc.,
have been provided for the benefit of employees under Welfare Measures.
Also a full fledged Sports Complex with a Stadium having a seating
capacity of around 15000 to 20000 personnel and a well maintained
Swimming Pool, Golf course, Lawn Tennis court, Shuttle Badminton hall,
Billards, Carrom, Squash and a health club with modern equipments are
the other facilities available for up keep of health and sports
activities. Tournaments are held at regular intervals in almost all the
sports activities separately for gents, ladies and children.

For recreation and for conducting cultural programmes there are two
Auditoria, where films in different languages are screened weekly and
film festivals are also organized occasionally. Kalakshetra & Open Air
theatre for conducting cultural programmes and other functions are
available. Also a full fledged EM-Club for Executives with a beautiful
location surrounded with hills on one side and a green lawn & well
maintained garden on the other side has facilities like a TV Hall,
Reading Room/Library, Bar, a Guest House with fully furnished rooms.

c) Society Development

Also BEML plays a vital role in Rural development, BEML adopted village
Dasorahosahalli situated 2.5 Km from EM Division. Welfare of women,
Welfare of youth, Blood donation, National savings, Fire protection and
community medical care are the other activities carried out by KGF
Complex towards society development and improvement.


Additional CSR Information:
Additional Information 1: CSR Details from Annual Report
2008-2009 <http://www.karmayog.org/csrform/upload/471/1/61-BEML.doc>
Company Contact Information

Company Name: BEML Ltd.

Registered Address: BEML SOUDHA

23/1, 4th Main

SR Nagar

City: Bangalore

State: Karnataka

Pincode: 560 027

Phone: 080 22963240, 22963250

Fax: 080 22963278 /516/280/164

Email Id 1: office@pr.beml.co.in
<mailto:office@pr.beml.co.in?cc=info@karmayog.org>

Email Id 2: mmoffice@sales.beml.co.in
<mailto:mmoffice@sales.beml.co.in?cc=info@karmayog.org>

Website : http://www.bemlindia.com

Year of Establishment: 1964

Name of the Chairman / CEO: Mr. V RS Natarajan

Designation: Chairman & Managing Director

Karmayog CSR 2008 Rating: 1/5

Link: http://www.karmayog.org/csr1to500/csr1to500_19239.htm

Karmayog CSR 2007 Rating: 1/5

Link:
http://www.karmayog.org/csr500companies/csr500companies_7387.htm
Posted on: 26 Nov, 2009 www.karmayog.org/csr2009
14.

CSR - Bharat Forge Ltd - Pune, MH - Engineering / Machinery

Posted by: "info@karmayog.org" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:40 am (PST)



CSR Details of Bharat Forge Ltd , Pune , MH
Bharat Forge Ltd - Corporate Social Responsibility Activities are as
follows

Company Profile

Company Slogan: Turn your face into the sun and the shadows fall behind
you.

Company's Vision Statement: To be the No.1 forging company in the
world by 2008

Company's Mission Statement: None

Special notes: Part of the Kalyani Group

Type of Company: Indian MNC- Indian Multi National

Industry Sector: Engineering / Machinery

Products / Services: 1. Forging steel
2. forging forge arcticles
3. Finished crankshafts
4. Front axles
5. Axles assembly
6. components

No. of employees: 7,000

Other locations of factories / offices: 12 Manufacturing locations
across 6 countries 4 in India (Mundhwa, Chakan, Baramati & Satara) 3 in
Germany, 1 in Sweden, 1 in Scotland, 1 in USA & 2 in China

Financial result for time period: April 2008 - March 2009
- Sales Rs. 2106 Crores
- Profit before tax Rs. 158 Crores
- Net profit after tax Rs. 103 Crores
- CSR Budget Not Disclosed

CSR Activities

Trust / Foundation for CSR: No

CSR Areas: 1. Children
2. Community Welfare
3. Education
4. Senior Citizens
5. Vocational Training
6. Women

Three main CSR activities: a) Education
b) Environment
c) Community welfare

Publish Sustainability Report: No

Member of Global Compact: No

CSR activities in brief: Pg. 25, Annual Report, Management
Discussion and Analysis

CORPORATE SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY (CSR)

In addition to focusing on maximising long term shareholder value, BFL
has always been a responsible corporate citizen and continues to work
for other stakeholders and the community at large. BFL's corporate
social responsibility initiatives are focussed on employees, the
community around its facilities and the environment.

In 2008-09, there was increased energy in the CSR activities with wider
participation of BFL employees. In a structured way, every department at
Mundhwa has taken up a specified activity. This way the CSR activities
have become integral to the work profile of employees at Mundhwa.

Some of the activities include:

Running of 3 community centers which employ the wives of BFL employees,
where they are provided vocational training to make them self
sufficient. For example, BFL factory at Mundhwa purchases uniforms and
hand gloves stitched by them.

CSR activities conducted by the employees of BFL focus on three groups:
women, senior citizens & underprivileged children wherein each
department in the company has adopted an institution around Pune. The
employees visit the institutions regularly. Various institutions adopted
include schools, old age homes & remand homes.

BFL continues to actively support the efforts of 'Pratham Pune Education
Foundation' (PPEF), which imparts primary education to the children of
economically weaker sections of society. The foundation has delivered
education programmes to a large number of children during its existence.

On the environment front there have been active drives at tree
plantation

across Pune and training and lectures were delivered by the company's
in-house environment specialists at different forums.

Measures taken by BFL to reduce fossil fuel consumption include
improving efficiency of furnaces and recuperation of waste heat. BFL
continues to procure significant portion of its energy requirement by
way of power generated from wind energy.

-----------------------------------
(As on 27-11-09, information on CSR activities on the company website is
the same as was available last year)

http://www.bharatforge.com/commitment/commitment.asp

Commitment

At Bharat Forge, we believe that as a corporate citizen, we should
reciprocate and give back to the society that has given us so much. The
company is therefore, morally committed to addressing issues such as
Education, Quality, Environment and Community.

* Education

PRATHAM PUNE EDUCATION FOUNDATION (PPEF)

As part of its Corporate Social Responsibility, Bharat Forge is closely
involved with activities of the India Education Initiative and PPEF. Mr.
B. N. Kalyani is the Founder and Chairman of PPEF, which is engaged in
providing primary education to children in the age group of 3-14,
belonging to the most underprivileged sections of the local community.
Over the past 4 years, PPEF has touched the lives of over 50,000
children in Pune, and has become an important catalyst for women
empowerment.

PPEF operates through an extensive network of Balsakhis, Balwadis,
Bridge Courses and Outreach Programmes. PPEF's contributions have
resulted in Pune achieving almost 100% literacy.
http://www.bharatforge.com/commitment/education.asp

---------------------------------------
* Environment

Green Energy - Making our planet more habitable.

In India, there has been an upsurge for the development of
non-conventional energy projects for quite some time. The likely
depletion of fossil fuels means that we have to depend more and more on
non-fossil fuel based energy. To further strengthen our commitment to
environment, we ventured into the Green Energy Concept - one of the best
and fastest ways to generate power by non-polluting wind as the source
of energy.

Implemented in phases from 1998 onwards, today these wind turbines are
generating 50 million units annually and supplying power to Bharat
Forge. Located in the picturesque Sahyadri ranges, the wind farm
currently meets most of our power requirement, which is green energy,
and has no pollution element.

We manufacture all our products using this green energy, thereby
contributing to the environment too.

We are committed to:

* Preventing pollution, maximizing recycle and reducing wastes,
discharges and emissions generated by processes.

* Conservation of natural resources by using them in a responsible
and efficient manner across all operations.

* Encouraging tree plantation and promoting green belts and lush
green surroundings at all our manufacturing locations so as to work in
harmony with nature.

We as a group are conscious of our responsibility towards creating,
maintaining and ensuring a safe and clean environment.

An elaborate landscaping work was planned and undertaken by Bharat Forge
in 1988 and is still under way. The 87 acres Bharat Forge campus
initially had 893 trees - some planted and some which had naturally
taken root. Today, this population stands at 4364 trees and 5200 shrubs
and vast stretches of lawns.

Simultaneously, Bharat Forge has been undertaking studies to monitor the
effect of plantation on ambient air quality and sound levels, with the
help of investigators from the school of Environmental Sciences,
University of Pune. Collection of air and dust samples was done at 15
different locations in the premises. Chemical analysis of the sample
indicated a very positive impact with lowering of pollution.
Investigations are done on a periodic basis and results of
investigations are made available to industrial houses and Government
Agencies concerning pollution control.
http://www.bharatforge.com/commitment/environment.asp

-----------------------

Community Initiatives

At Bharat Forge, a global business perspective goes hand-in-hand with a
local community focus. Our emphasis on building strength and adding
value extends beyond the customers we serve and the products we make, to
the communities and neighborhoods we work in. Bharat Forge community
relations program consists of a dynamic combination of associate
volunteer efforts and corporate giving / community activities.

Our community involvement reflects our values as a corporation. Most of
Bharat Forge's community and business contributions, sponsorships and
volunteer activities support educational, youth-focused initiatives
programs that have a direct impact on our future workforce.

Community Centres

The Kalyani Group Community Centre is where the benefits of industrial
progress are enjoyed by the employee and his / her family. The centre is
a space for social emancipation, recreation, and income generation. Run
with a professional attitude toward community development.

For Twenty-five years, three community centres are functioning in
full-fledged manner. The activities of the community centre include :

Income generation for women

At the Community Centres, women stitch Uniforms includingshirts,
trousers, boiler suits, aprons, and handgloves which cater to the
in-house requirements of Bharat Forge. There areother initiatives like
Rakhi Making that give boost to their creativity and generate income.

A variety of vocational training is imparted to them and theproducts
made by them are exhibited in exhibition which in turnhelps the women to
generate income for themselves. Alongwith this they have formed saving
groups among themselves.

Personality development camps

Day camps for the women include training in :

* Communication Skills

* Health / Nutrition

* Time Management

* Bank / Postal Transactions

* Dealing with Alcoholism

* Yoga

* Visit to social institutions / industry

Skill development programmes

Various workshops are organized for skill development, such as :

* Cookery

* Painting

* Embroidery

* Purse / bag making

* Ceramic painting

Medical check-ups

Well known, qualified doctors visit the community centers on a regular
basis. This clinic helps in early detection of health problems as well
as in creating health awareness among women.

Health and safety related programmes

* Aids awareness programmes

* Training in First Aid

* Family education for couples

* Safety at home training for children

* Programmes on healthy food habits

* Cancer Awareness Lectures

* Guidance on physical and mental health after 40

Extracurricular activities

The community centre also organises excursions and competitions in
cookery, interior decoration, and essay writing. Women are also
encouraged to participate in drama and dance, besides festivities like
Haldikumkum, Navratri, Diwali Exhibition and Independence Day.

Camps for children

Personality Development Camps during vacations, include :

* Writing and elocution skills

* Dramatics

* Art and craft

* Leadership qualities

* Environmental awareness

* Anand Mela (Fun Fair)

Home Management Course for adolescents

Conducted to teach adolescents basic skills of home management. The
topics include:

* Intra-family interaction

* Discipline at home

* Home management / budgeting

* Health / senior citizen care / nutrition

* Sex education
Competitions

To help the children to develop their communication skills and
confidence level, various kinds of competitions are conducted such as :

* Elocution

* Essay writing

* Drawing

The Kalyani Group has initiated a Teacher's Training Programme for
teachers from schools situated at Mundhwa, Hadapsar, and Vadgaonsheri.
http://www.bharatforge.com/commitment/community_initiatives.asp


CSR Website / Section:
http://www.bharatforge.com/commitment/commitment.asp

Company Contact Information

Company Name: Bharat Forge Ltd

Registered Address: Pune Cantonment

Mundhwa

City: Pune

State: Maharashtra

Pincode: 411 036

Phone: 020-26702777

Fax: 020-26822387

Email Id 1: bkalyani@bharatforge.com
<mailto:bkalyani@bharatforge.com?cc=info@karmayog.org>

Email Id 2: info@bharatforge.com
<mailto:info@bharatforge.com?cc=info@karmayog.org>

Website : http://www.bharatforge.com

Year of Establishment: 1961

Name of the Chairman / CEO: Mr. B.N. Kalyani

Designation: Chairman & Managing Director

Karmayog CSR 2008 Rating: 2/5

Link: http://www.karmayog.org/csr1to500/csr1to500_19269.htm

Karmayog CSR 2007 Rating: 2/5

Link:
http://www.karmayog.org/csr500companies/csr500companies_7389.htm
Posted on: 27 Nov, 2009 www.karmayog.org/csr2009
15.

UNITE 0079 Mens help line

Posted by: "masihanil23@yahoo.co.in" masihanil23@yahoo.co.in

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:40 am (PST)




UNITE via Karmayog.org
Form No. 0079 Saturday, November 28, 2009
Mens help line

We have received a a request for UNITE via Karmayog as per the details
below.
This form and its replies may also be displayed at
www.karmayog.org/LetsUNITE

A: Topic Detail
1.Topic: Mens help line

2. Period: 2009 - November
3. Details: There are son many organizations and govt laws to
protect the womens right , but it is observed that the womens are using
these laws as weapons for their own benifits, and spoiling the life of
mens, now to save the mens right and life there is a need to form a
organization which can work for mens.


5. Desirable solution:
there should be a organization who can look the matter and can
give their report ,on the facts and it should be able to attract the
attention of government, and it has to be powered by giving athority to
take decision.


6. Expected Results:
A social justice , Male can also live with respect, and they can
also look after their parents, and the general saying, " girls are
better than boys, they looks after their parents, boys does'nt look
after their parents". fact is this wives dosent cares for their in-laws.


B:
1. Major concerns: Mens ,their parents , mens relatrives, his
neghibours, his chiulderens.


2. Suggested actions: If a women or men feels uncomfartable to live
with each other they should take divorce and live seperatly, instead of
living under same roof and quarraling.


3. Support needed: the replies which justify the matter and feels
all human being have right to live with respect, and boys/mens are also
a human being and wants to fullfill their responsiblties towards their
parents.



C: Steps taken by me
1. Under RTI: I have filed court case to get justice from the court
,the case is under consideration.



2. With government: NA



3. Information obtained: NA



4. With experts: NO



D: I am willing to
1. Initiate a group for this cause / issue?:
Yes

2. Lead a group for this issue / cause?:
Yes

3. Join an existing group for this issue / cause?:
Yes

4. Attend meetings of NGOs and stakeholders :
Yes

5. Respond to queries by email / phone:
Yes

6. Contribute to the Resource Section in Karmayog:
Yes


E: My contact details
1. Name:
anil kumar masih

2. Designation:
technical assttiant

3. Organisation:
bharat electronics limited

4. Location:
Kotdwara - 246149, Uttrakhand

5. Phone:
01382-236569 , 231128 ( 9 am - 5 pm) 09627103367(rest of time)

6. Email:
masihanil23@yahoo.co.in

7. Website:
no

16.

CSR - Bharat Petroleum Corporation Ltd - Mumbai, MH - Petroleum and

Posted by: "info@karmayog.org" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:40 am (PST)



CSR Details of Bharat Petroleum Corporation Ltd , Mumbai , MH
Bharat Petroleum Corporation Ltd - Corporate Social Responsibility
Activities are as follows

Company Profile

Company Slogan: None

Company's Vision Statement: * We are a leading energy company with
global presence through sustained aggressive growth and high
profitability * We are the first choice of customers, always * We
exploit profitability growth opportunity outside energy * We are the
most environment friendly company * We are a great organisation to work
for * We are a learning organisation * We are a model corporate entity
with social responsibility

Company's Mission Statement: None

Special notes: Sustainability Report 2007-2008 is available on the
company website as on 27-11-09

Type of Company: PSU - Public Sector

Industry Sector: Petroleum and Petrochemicals

Products / Services: 1. Petroleum Products
2. Benzene
3. Lubricants

No. of employees: 14016

Other locations of factories / offices: Plants at Mumbai, Kochi
(Kerala), Budge-Budge (West Bengal), Chennai

Financial result for time period: April 2008 - March 2009
- Sales Rs. 136444 Crores
- Profit before tax Rs. 1135 Crores
- Net profit after tax Rs. 724 Crores
- CSR Budget Not Disclosed

CSR Activities

Trust / Foundation for CSR: No

CSR Areas: 1. Community Welfare
2. Education
3. Energy
4. Environment
5. Healthcare
6. Rural Development
7. Sports
8. Water
9. Women

Three main CSR activities: a) Energy and Environmant
b) Rural Development
c) Water

Publish Sustainability Report:
http://bharatpetroleum.in/EnergisingSociety/CSR_Sustainability_Report.as
px?id=2

Member of Global Compact: Yes

CSR activities in brief: Pg. 12, Annual Report

NON-CONVENTIONAL ENERGY INITIATIVES

BPCL has been committed towards the development of non-conventional
energy sources. One of the major thrust areas identified for this
purpose is power generation from

wind energy. The four windmills commissioned by BPCL in the hilly range
of Kappatguda in Karnataka are currently in operation and the power
produced is being sold to the Karnataka State Electricity grid. This was
one of the projects identified to avail of carbon emission credits under
the Kyoto protocol. The project was approved by

the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) in
February 2009.

In addition, Kochi Refinery's shore tank farm located in the coastal
area of the Puthuvypeen Special Economic Zone has been identified to
harness the wind energy

potential. BPCL has approached the Centre for Wind Energy Technology,
Chennai to carry out a feasibility study. Clearance has been obtained
from the Naval and

local authorities for setting up windmills in the shore tank farm.

BPCL has been exploring the possibility of promoting green fuel, with a
view to protecting the environment by reducing pollution and dependence
on imported fuels.

Towards this end, huge tracts of unproductive, barren and non-cultivable
land are proposed to be used for the growth of Jatropha and Karanj
plants. The plantations would

contribute towards environment protection, prevention of soil erosion
and feedstock for manufacturing Bio-diesel while promoting sustainable
development. In the state of

Uttar Pradesh, BPCL has launched "Project Triple One" - to enter the
Bio-diesel Value Chain through a joint venture company, M/s. Bharat
Renewable Energy Ltd.

Work is continuing on the project to set up a 1 MW capacity grid
connected solar farm at BPCL's LPG bottling plant in the state of
Punjab. The project has been conceived to avail of carbon emission
credits under the Kyoto protocol.

-----------------------
Pg. 13, Annual Report

FULFILLMENT OF SOCIAL OBLIGATIONS

As a responsible corporate citizen, BPCL accords significant importance
to Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR). The pan India presence means
that the 'People Interface' includes urban, semi-urban and rural areas
besides some of the remote tribal belts. Hence, CSR activities are
undertaken with the objective of making a meaningful impact in the lives
of people, which would lead to sustainable development. The thrust areas
for CSR were health, education, water conservation, environment
conservation and community development. Emphasis was laid on equipping
small groups of women, youth and farmers with training, skills,
subsequent to which they were encouraged to form Self Help Groups
(SHGs), to sustain some form of income generating activities. One such
effort has been the collaboration with Self Employed Women Association
(SEWA) in Lucknow, where around 100 women from in and around village
Babukheda near Lucknow are being trained in 'Chikankari work',
subsequent to which they will be given work on per piece basis directly
by SEWA. Together with the partners like SEWA, the SHGs are also being
supported for micro credit through banks.

Water conservation through Project 'Boond' continued, by adding 4 more
villages in Maharashtra and for the first time 2 villages in Bharatpur,
Rajasthan for rainwater

harvesting.

CSR received a lot of support through employee volunteers, who apart
from constructing check dams for water conservation, also took up
teaching school children of zilla parishad schools on the importance of
water and hence, conservation.

From the year 2008-09 onwards, the CSR budget of the Corporation is
being increased from 0.5% to 2% of the net profit of the previous
financial year of the Company,

reflecting the extent of BPCL's commitment to the growth and development
of society.

----------------------

PROMOTION OF SPORTS

BPCL sportspersons continued to excel in the national as well as
international sports arena in various disciplines. Saina Nehwal created
history by becoming the first

Indian woman to win a Super Series event in Badminton when she won the
Indonesian Open event. Currently ranked no 6, Saina is one of the top
women badminton

players in the world. Chess player Abhijit Gupta won the prestigious
World Junior Chess Championship becoming only the third Indian to do so.
Another Chess player, Arun Prasad earned his Grand Master norm in
2008-09. BPCL employees continue to be selected to the national
contingents in various disciplines. In Billiards and Snooker, Devendra
Joshi won the Silver Medal (time format) and Bronze Medal (point format)
in the IBSF World Billiards Championships. BPCL was awarded the
President's PSPB Trophy for II Runners-up during the year by virtue of
points obtained in various Petroleum Sports Promotion Board (PSPB)
tournaments.

--------------------------------

Sustainability Report, Pg. 18

Responsible Energy

Climate change and energy poverty are two of the major issues plaguing
the world today. As per the WEO 2008 current global trends in energy
supply and consumption are unsustainable and nothing short of an energy
revolution is needed.

Tackling Climate change

The IEA estimates that on current trends, energy-related CO emissions
are set to increase by 45% between 2006 and 2030, reaching 41 Gt.
Three-quarters of the increase will arise in China, India and the Middle
East, and 97% in non-OECD countries as a whole. Further, the biggest
single contributor to global emissions over the next two decades is
likely to be the use of coal - the world's second- most important fuel
after oil, accounting for 26% of energy demand. Stabilizing greenhouse
gas (GHG)concentration at 550 ppm of CO -equivalent, which would limit
the temperature increase to about 3°C, would require emissions to rise
to no more than 33 Gt in 2030 and to fall in the longer term. The share
of low-carbon energy - hydropower, nuclear, biomass, other renewables
and fossil-fuel power plants equipped with carbon capture and storage
(CCS) - in the world primary energy mix would need to expand from 19% in
2006 to 26% in 2030. This would call for investment equal to 0.2% of
annual world GDP. The scale of the challenge in limiting GHG
concentration to 450 ppm of CO -eq, which would involve a temperature
rise of about 2°C, is much greater.

In such a scenario, the energy sector will have to play the central role
in tackling climate change and contributing in the transition to a
low-carbon economy. Accordingly, BPCL has chalked out its climate change
strategy very clearly which includes the following elements:

! Strengthening energy security

! Increase refining position

! Setting up of LPG/CNG/LNG terminals

! Setting up of AutoLPG/CNG dispensing stations

! Strengthening retail stations/positions/services

! Laying cross country pipelines

! Using Oil Industry common carrier cross country pipeline for supplies

! R&D for alternate fuels (e.g. Bio-diesel, Hydrogen cells)

! Developing renewable energy sources, eg. Windmills / solar cells

! Forming joint venture for setting up of Bio-diesel value chain

----------------------------
http://www.bharatpetroleum.com/EnergisingSociety/EnergisingSociety.aspx?
id=2

ENERGISING SOCIETY

At BPCL, sustenance of the environment and promoting eco-friendly
schemes is an area of priority. Products from BPCL conform to the
stringent eco-friendly EURO III norms and are blended with oxygenates to
reduce the level of pollutants released in the air. Our endeavour has
been to make this Earth a better place to live. Read about our efforts
to keep our earth Green.

Corporate Social Responsibility

We are a Model Corporate Entity with Social Responsibility. Build a
Powerful Partnership with society for 'Sustainable Development'.

Vision

* We are a Model Corporate Entity with Social Responsibility

* Build a Powerful Partnership with Society for 'Sustainable
Development'

Objective

* Building Sustainable Communities - to have a positive impact on the
communities in which we operate

* Health and Safety - to ensure the health and safety of our workforce
and communities

* Environment - to minimize adverse impacts while taking steps to
protect and enhance the natural environment

* Employees - train tomorrows leaders in teamwork skills and running
socially responsible business

Methodology

* Integrated with Business Strategy and Context

* Leverage our Core competency - People and Technology

* Three way Execution model for Community Projects

* Develop deserving Communities through 'Focused' & 'Need based'
interventions - No 'Giveaways'

* Create 'Sustainable Models' which are Replicable & Scalable

---------------------------------------

http://bharatpetroleum.in/EnergisingSociety/SWR_overview.aspx?id=2

Sharing Wider Responsibility

1. Overview

At BPCL we believe that it's equally important to return back to
society. Which is why, we believe some of our finest achievements aren't
those found in our balance sheets but those, in small towns and villages
spread across India. Our involvement in sharing this wider
responsibility dates way back to 1984, when in pursuance with our
philosophy "to give back to the society/community our best", we aimed to
help the people enrich their lives, be it our employees or their
families also extending the scope of definition of families to those
that we saw beyond our glass cabins in these rustic surroundings, and
thus started our romance. Today, we term them as our extended family
i.e. our villagers from rural areas.

India, has a social contrast, while one strata of the society comprising
of approximately 30% live in the cities, a great percentage of nearly
double -700 million Indians reside in villages, which we term as rural
India. Now rural India too has its own disparity, some are what we call
the islands of prosperity and the rest that have the other extremes,
riddled by droughts and some difficult conditions of weather and climate
and sometimes these villages are so remote and far flung from cities
that many a times makes others go past unnoticed.

BPCL initially started working in Mahul, the village located in the
neighbourhood of its Mumbai refinery in 1986, with the sole reason of
their social upliftment. The residents of Mahul, essentially from the
fishing community, were rich because they possessed marine wealth but as
far as education, health, etc was concerned, they needed direction and
help. BPCL volunteered and the initial success brought such
gratification that immediately it adopted another village (this time an
interior one) called Karjat. Developments with selfless intentions
helped introspect about the future role BPCL should adopt in its aim to
contribute to this effort. There after there was no looking back.

As a corporate responsibility, BPCL has today adopted 37 villages across
India. This adoption included, making substantial investments for nearly
a decade and a half in them to make them fully self reliant, providing
them fresh drinking water, sanitation facilities, medical facilities,
enhancing their income standards by imparting vocational training and
agricultural innovations. However, BPCL also firmly believes that the
only vehicle for raising the villagers from their present state is by
educating the young and the old, a focus on providing grants for opening
schools and opening adult literacy camps as well.

A Herculean task indeed, which BPCL recognized and thus even sought
assistance from NGO's working around these centers in fulfilling its
dream, which to many of BPCL employee's still remains incomplete, on
account of the large magnitude of work necessary in completion.

2. Adoption of Villages

3. Care for Generation Next

4. Counseling

5. HIV AIDS - Care and Prevention

6. Social work at Kochi Refinery

7. Model for Trucker Community

8. Rural Health

9. Project Boond

-------------------
http://bharatpetroleum.in/EnergisingSociety/SWR_ProjectBoond.aspx?id=2
Water...

If there is magic on this planet, It is contained in water.

Loran Eisley

Water, they say is life, Almost all life on earth is sustained by
it.Water is a strange element of nature. Colourless, odourless,
tasteless, yet full of life. There is no joy like your feet in the
moving waves of the sea. There is no refreshment like a glass of water
after a hard days work. It s not just a source of energy, but also a
source of pure joy.

Yet, there are some who don t get to experience it s bounty. There are
some, who still walk miles to quench their thirst. Who pay the price of
every drop of water with equal drops of their own sweat for a planet
that is 70% covered by water, there are places that suffer from draught.
There are farmers who wonder if they will receive a harvest this year.

BPCL understand the value of water in the lives of people who strive for
it. Whose lives are dependent on its availability alone. These
sentiments gave birth to the project Boond . Because when we say that we
are a company about fuel, how can we miss out on the 'fuel of life .

Boond is a Rain Water Harvesting Project undertaken by BPCL with
financial support from (Oil Industries Development Board) and executed
in collaboration with NGO, Bridge Public Charitable Trust.

Villages suffering from acute shortage of water were identified for this
activity. Women from these villages had to walk long distances in th
blazing sun on mountainous paths, at times exceeding four kilometers to
fetch water. Runoffs triggered by topographical conditions, impervious
bedrock, poor water holding capacity of the soil, soil erosion and
unrestrained grazing had made the situation critical.

The objective was to turn these villages from Water scarce to water
positive . The work mainly comprised of repairs/Deepening of wells,
building bunds to capture and store rain water, repairs and leak
proofing of existing bunds, building water tanks etc.

All the activities undertaken to draught free the villages were
performed with complete participation from the villagers. This imparted
a sense of belonging and responsibility towards their own village. Not
just that, while working they learnt additional skills like masonry,
welding etc. Which they later used as an additional source of income for
themselves. This helped check the rampant levels of migration as well.

Another unique aspect of the whole project was the concept of Shram Daan
The villagers performed Shram Daan once a week and for the balance
days they were paid minimum wages. Seeing the enthusiasm of the
villagers, BPCL also initiated a Employee Volunteering Initiative where
in approximately 100 BPCL employees gathered collectively for Shram
Daan.

BPCL's passionate efforts in water management have received humble
appreciation and recognition from many. Bharat Petroleum won:

* the Excellent Water Efficient Unit Award Beyond the fence at the
National Award for Excellence in Water Mangement 2007 conducted by
Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) Godrej GBC on 29 30 November 2007
at CII Sohrabji Godrej Green Business Centre, Hyderabad. Bharat
petroleum also bagged two more awards in the same event. The most
Innovative Case Study and the Most Useful Presentation(Which was voted
by audience).

* Bharat Petroleum 'WON' the prestigious 'Asian CSR Award 2008' for
project 'Boond- III' in the Environmental Excellence Category.

* The coveted Award was received by our C&MD , Mr. Ashok Sinha, in
Singapore on 21st Nov 2008 at the hands of Dr. Noelen Heyzer, Under
Secretary General of UN and Executive Secretary of ESCAP. The Awards
were conducted by the prestigious Asian Institute of Management with
co-sponsorship from Intel.

* Chairman in his acceptance speech has acknowledged the voluntary
contribution made by employees towards the overall success of this
project.

Encouraged by the response at the 9 villages, BPCL is now working on 5
more villages, Dhenganmal, Takichiwadi and Rikamwadi. This journey would
continue and BPCL would touch the lives of as many people as possible
with this amazing entity of life, WATER.

---------------------------


CSR Website / Section:
http://www.bharatpetroleum.com/EnergisingSociety/EnergisingSociety.aspx?
id=2

Company Contact Information

Company Name: Bharat Petroleum Corporation Ltd

Registered Address: Bharat Bhavan

4 and 6 Currimbhoy Road

Ballard Estate

City: Mumbai

State: Maharashtra

Pincode: 400001

Phone: 022-22713000, 022-22714000

Fax: 022-22713874

Email Id 1: ssc@bharatpetroleum.in
<mailto:ssc@bharatpetroleum.in?cc=info@karmayog.org>

Website : http://www.bharatpetroleum.com

Year of Establishment: 1953

Name of the Chairman / CEO: Mr. Ashok Sinha

Designation: Chairman and Managing Director

Karmayog CSR 2008 Rating: 3/5

Link: http://www.karmayog.org/csr1to500/csr1to500_19272.htm

Karmayog CSR 2007 Rating: 3/5

Link:
http://www.karmayog.org/csr500companies/csr500companies_7392.htm
Posted on: 27 Nov, 2009 www.karmayog.org/csr2009
17.

Dr Neal Barnard's hospital talks in Mumbai

Posted by: "Nandita Shah" shahnandi@gmail.com   shahnandita

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:40 am (PST)



All Medical Practitioners are welcome to attend a talk by Neal Barnard, M.D.
Dr. Barnard will describe his research into how a low-fat, plant based diet
can dramatically improve type 2 diabetes and substantially reduce the need
for medication and the incidence of complications for type 1 diabetes
patients.

Neal D. Barnard, M.D., is an adjunct associate professor of medicine at the
George Washington University School of Medicine in Washington, D.C., and
president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. His
breakthrough research established a new and powerful approach to diabetes,
based on adjustments to the type of foods we eat. His book, Dr. Neal
Barnard¹s Program for Reversing Diabetes¸ has allowed many people to enjoy
the same benefits his research participants have enjoyed for years. 

His schedule in Mumbai is as follows

Saturday 28th Nov

10.00 am ­ 11.15 am Sir H.N. Hospital Auditorium, 3rd Floor, Kapole Niwas
Building
1.00 pm ­ 2 pm  Saifee Hospital Auditorium, 9th Floor
3.30 pm ­ 5 pm  Dr. Balabhai Nanavati Hospital Auditorium

Monday 30th Nov

11 am ­ 12.30 pm  L.T. Medical College and Hospital, Sion. Medicine Seminar
Hall, College Building, 1st Floor  
1.45 pm ­ 3.15 pm  K.E.M. Hospital CVTS Auditorium, 3rd floor, CVTS Building

All medical practitioners welcome to any. There is no registration and no
fees.

18.

Valuing people more for what they did than who they are

Posted by: "karmayog - tanya" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:41 am (PST)




..The world would be better if we praised folks more for what they did than
who they are

.Most eulogies, introductions, reviews, etc., whether in praise or
criticism, tend to discuss what a person has done mainly as clues to what
sort of person they are. For example, music reviews talk about what a new
album says about how the musician has developed, instead of how that music
can brighten the lives of listeners.Very small acts are often mentioned, if
they seem telling. And we often hear that someone was head of an
organization, or had a credential, without hearing much about what they did
with such influence.

We often hear they were part of some project without hearing the difference
they made, and the differences we do hear about are often merely due to
others knowing of their association with the project.Because the usual focus
is on inferring how smart, strong, creative, caring, charismatic,
determined, etc. people are, the incentives are more to do things that
suggest good things about your character.

If instead we focused on describing the differences a person has actually
made to the world, we would get more folks trying harder to actually make a
difference. And they would focus more on acquiring the features that
produce results, instead of features that are easy to see.And when we
evaluate the difference someone made, we should correct for the
opportunities they had. For example, if they saved lives as a doctor, we
should ask if they saved more than if someone else had been allowed to be a
doctor in their place. If they rose from rags to riches, we should ask who
helped them along the way. If they headed an group that did a great thing,
we should wonder whether that group would have done something similar with
someone else in charge.If we praised results instead of character, maybe we
will get more of both

Sent by Nitin Jamdar

19.

Re: CSR - Mastek Ltd. - Mumbai, MH - Software and ITES

Posted by: "karmayog.org" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:41 am (PST)



From: Vibhuti Sheth

After registering CSR details on Karmayog, I have been receiving mails from NGOs asking for corporate sponsorship, join NGO groups, Resumes from individuals, etc.

Mastek's CSR philosophy does not permit sponsorship and we support selected NGOs only in Mumbai. Our major focus is employee volunteering and sensitization of employees & their families through CSR events with NGOs working for different causes in and around Mumbai along with financial assistance to the NGOs on our list through employee pay roll giving.

Thanks & Regards,
Vibhuti Sheth
Executive
Mastek Foundation
20.

December 2, 2009 - "Parenting-giving your Child great Self-Image"

Posted by: "HELP LIBRARY" helplibrary@gmail.com

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:41 am (PST)



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We wish to inform all Karmayog members about our free talk at HELP

HELP ( Health Education Library for People ) is organizing a free talk on* *
*"**Parenting-giving your Child great Self-Image**" by Mrs. Brinda Jaising*on
* 2nd December, 2009* at *3.00 pm* at HELP ( Health Education Library
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10-11 Dec.: WWF Panda Festival of Environment, Mumbai

Posted by: "karmayog - tanya" info@karmayog.org

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:41 am (PST)



1. Panda Festival of Environment, 2009
Posted by: "wwfmumbai" wwfmumbai@yahoo.co.in
wwfmumbai Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:45 pm

Panda Festival of Environment, 2009

The WWF-India has been celebrating the National Environment Month that starts from 19th November, since 1994. We have been conducting various competitions and workshops in the form of a festival. From 2005 we have named the festival as the `Panda Festival of Environment' and had several state level competitions. This year the festival will be held on 10th - 11th December, 2009 at Maharashtra (Mahim) Nature Park, Sion (West).

The theme for the festival is based on the "International Year of Planet Earth". The festival is also open from morning 9.00 am to evening 5.00 pm.

The activities scheduled are as follows.
Non-Competitive events.

1. Nature Trails The nature trails will be conducted to orient people to the various aspects of the natural ecosystem. The trails have been designed and separated into six different categories namely - General trail, - Nakshatravan trail, - Birds, - Insects & Butterflies, - Mangroves - Medicinal plants. Trail timings are as follows- 9.00 am.; 11.00 am.; 2.00 pm; 3.00 pm.; 4.00 pm. The trails will be separate for adults and children The trails will be free for WWF-India subscribers and Nature club members, while others will be charged Rs. 5/- per head / trail.

2. Exhibition of Photographs on "Invasive Alien Species" Photograph Dimensions: 8"x10"; 10" x 12" and 10" x 15" Last date for acceptance of entries is 4th December 2009. Date of Exhibition 10th December, 2009. Time of exhibition - 9.00 am. to 5.00 pm.

Non-Competitive events General Rules And Regulations
1. Last date to submit entry forms : 4th December, 2009.
2. The participation certificates will be provided to all registered participants of competitions & workshops and accompanying teachers only present during the festival.
3. Nature trail participants will not be given any certificates.
4. Charges / Participation Fee. &#61558; The festival is free to the WWF-India subscribers on a valid WWF-India subscriber card and to the current academic year nature clubs. For other institutions that are not registered as nature clubs with WWF-India, the registration charge is Rs. 600/- for a team of 6 participants. For more than 6 participants the add on charge is Rs. 50/- per individual. &#61558; Registration charge for an individual or a family not associated to any institution is Rs. 600/- and can participate in any three events.
5. The workshops are separately charged which is as follows &#61558; Rs.125/- for the WWF-India subscribers and NCI members only on prior registration. &#61558; For others the charges are Rs. 150 /- per workshop on prior registration only. &#61558; Spot entry irrelevant of membership is Rs. 150/- only, and subject to availability of seats.
6. Payment made by cheque or DD should be drawn in favour of "WWF-India". Cash is also accepted.
7. The time schedule should be strictly adhered to.
8. Participation and winning points will be allotted to the teams representing schools and colleges and the one with maximum points will be allotted a Panda trophy. 9. An event will be considered for competition only if there are a minimum of 10 entries or eight institutions else the event will be non competitive and gifts will be awarded in special cases.
10. In the competitive events the decision of the judges will be held as final and no changes will be made.
11. Foul language, misbehavior, gestures, political or religious showdown will lead to disqualification of the team / individual.
12. The day wise schedule will be given to the teams /individuals at the time of registration.

Event flow:
Day I - 10th December, 2009
Inauguration: 09.30am-10.00am
Rangoli Competition 09.30am-12.00pm
Secondary School, College, Open Skit 11.00am-04-00pm
Secondary School, College, Open Banner Painting 01.00 pm-03.00 pm
College Mask Painting 01.00 pm-03.00 pm
Secondary School Drawing 12.30 pm-02.00 pm
Primary school Nature Games 02.00 pm-04.00 pm
Primary school Workshop: Go Wild - Print Magic Resource person: Ms. Tejal V. Time: 02.00 pm -04.00 pm

All day activity that is open for all Pottery workshop (Duration 30 min) Time: 11.00am to 04.00pm Charges: Rs. 25/- for subscribers and NCI members & Rs. 50/- for others and spot registrations

Day II - 11th December, 2009
Cartoon Drawing 09.30am-11.30am
College, Open Spin a yarn 11.00am-03.00 pm
Secondary School, College, Open Environment Poetry 01.00 pm -02.00 pm
Primary school Fancy Dress 02.00 pm -03.00 pm
Primary school Workshop: Recycling waste into useful material Resource person: Yamuna Ambika Chopra Time: 02.00 pm -04.00 pm
Valedictory Function: 04.00pm-05.00pm
All day activity that is open for all Word puzzle - an interesting 10 minutes activity, no winner will be declared and no certificate will be given. Participant completing it in given time will get a small gift from WWF-India

Contact WWF-India, MSO for more details. Ph: 22078105 / 22071970 Regards, Gauri Gurav Assisstant Education officer WWF-India,
22.

New volunteer - volavl2523 - Ms. Arwa Lokhandwala - Belapur - Belapu

Posted by: "arwa.architect@gmail.com" arwa.architect@gmail.com

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:41 am (PST)





New volunteer - volavl 2523 - Ms. Arwa Lokhandwala - Belapur - Belapur

has registered at www.karmayog.org .

Please see details at
http://www.karmayog.org/non-npovoldis.asp?r=&id=2523&bc=search&type=id.

Thank You
23.

ASK -- Advice Sought 0420 life threatning disease -  pulmonary embol

Posted by: "vijay.r.kumar@relianceada.com" vijay.r.kumar@relianceada.com

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:41 am (PST)




ASK -- Advice Sought via Karmayog.org
Form No. 0420 Thursday, November 26, 2009
life threatning disease - pulmonary embolism - multiple organ failure
We have received a a request for Advice via Karmayog as per the details
below.
Please offer your help to the person seeking advice.
Please contact them directly and also send us a copy of your email.
This form and its replies may also be displayed at
www.karmayog.org/ASKed

A: Details of the problem
1.Problem: life threatning disease - pulmonary embolism - multiple
organ failure

2. Period: 2009 - November
3. Details: life threatning disease - pulmonary embolism - multiple
organ failure


4. Additional information: Nil

5. Steps taken till now:
xigris treatment costing approx 5.00 lac for medicine
cummulating to total expenditure up to 9.00 las


6. Result:
discharged from the hospital, recovering slowly


7. Help needed now:
want financial help as i could only get total 4.00 lac from
insurance and company. my salary is 3.80 lac per annum and all other
family members including my parents and sister is dependent on me


8. Will pay fees for help / professional advice:
No

B: My Suggestions
4. For others in a similar situation: They sould take care properly


5. Other Information Needed: list of ngos


C: Websites / People / Resources that I have found helpful
D: My contact details
1. Name:
nitin shinde

2. Profession:
service in reliance comm

3. Phone:
Nil

4. Email id:
vijay.r.kumar@relianceada.com

5. Location:
navi mumbai

24.

Education - Run for Education support Muktangan

Posted by: "kutilausha@gmail.com" kutilausha@gmail.com

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:41 am (PST)



Subject: Run for Education support Muktangan

Main Point: THIS MARATHON RUN FOR MUKTANGAN FOR CHANGE IN EDUCATION
Category of Topic: Education

Message: Muktangan
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Muktangan, an initiative of Paragon Charitable Trust, is a pioneering
educational programme with an innovative model, working in close
partnership with the Municipal Corporation of Greater Mumbai and a
number of NGOs across the country.

Mission: To create a model offering sustainable, community-based,
low-cost, high-quality, inclusive, child-centered (as distinct from
teacher directed), English medium education to the economically
disadvantaged sections of society by training and employing community-
members as teachers.

Vision: To sustain and replicate Muktangan's educational model through a
structured programme of advocacy to both government and non-governmental
agencies.

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Impact

* High-quality, affordable English medium education is currently
provided to 1500 children, annually adding 300 children across 7
Municipal (MCGM) Schools in Mumbai as all 7 schools add a higher
standard each year until they reach SSC between 2013 and 2017.
* Children develop independent thinking through experiential
learning and inquiry.
* 150 local members drawn from communities have been trained & are
employed as teachers with 50 more being added every year.
* 5 of our 7 schools are headed by teachers trained by us, thereby
realizing the goal of community sustainability.
* Trainer of Trainers Programme trains participants from 20 NGOs
across India in the methodology and implementation of our model.
* MCGM's satisfaction with our model led to our undertaking the
running of 7 of their schools and consultancy being offered to Naandi
Foundation for running 30 more.
* The Education Model is at the cutting edge of transforming
education in India with its relevance recognized by Government, NGOs,
educationists, community leaders and parents.
* Active partners include Maharashtra Dyslexia Association, Ummeed
Child Development and Remedial Centre, Tata Institute of Social
Sciences, Nirmala Niketan, Teach for India Programme and ARK - an
UK-based organization for their School Leaders India Programme.
* Teachers have become empowered community change agents whilst
our parents participate regularly in their children's education.
* Enthusiastic, committed teachers and smiling faces of confident
children sum up all our schools.


Muktangan Children Performing At The Tata Theatre With The Bombay
Chamber Orchestra Society Singing Songs From 'The Sound Of Music'

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Methodology:

* A fun-oriented, child-centered curriculum with suitably designed
classrooms.
* The Inclusion of all children, regardless of ability.
* A student-teacher ratio of less than 15:1 enables individual
attention to be given to each child.
* Teachers attend daily reflective, lesson planning meetings to
bring the syllabus alive.

Invitation:

We invite you into partnership with us to help us realize the dreams of
our children and their families through Participation and Raising
Pledges for Muktangan by committing yourselves to raise a sum of Rs.10,
000/- between now and the date of the run i.e. 17th January 2010 from
your family, friends, work colleagues, associates, etc. in this Standard
Chartered Mumbai Marathon 2010.

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For more details on our project or ways to participate, you can log onto
our website www.muktanganedu.org <http://www.muktanganedu.org/> and see
the 10 minute documentary on its home page or, you may write to/ contact
us at:

Usha Laxman
Director Resources
Muktangan
9819899688

kutilausha@gmail.com <mailto:kutilausha@gmail.com>

Name: USHA LAXMAN

Organisation: MUKTANGAN PARAGON CHARITABLE TRUST

Location: WORLI, MUMBAI

Email 1: kutilausha@gmail.com

Email 2: muktanganpct@gmail.com

Websection on Karmayog: www.muktanganedu.org

Information about yourself: Usha Laxman Director Resources
Muktangan/ Paragon CharitableTrust

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[gita-talk] Re: GITAJI CHANGED MY LIFE / MY EXPERIENCE WITH GITA

 

Shree Hari
Ram Ram

Revisiting... especially due to Gita Jayanti day coming soon !!!   Combined similar posting. 

SADHAKS, PLEASE BRIEFLY SHARE YOUR GITAJI EXPERIENCE WITH A FOCUS ON INSPIRING OTHERS and wherever possible to refer to a specific Shloka that has personally touched you. PLEASE KEEP IT BRIEF. From Gita Talk Moderator, Ram Ram
---------------------------------------------------------------

NEW POSTING

Dear  fellow sadhakas,
Hare Krishna.
This is in response to the question of Gitaji, having an influence on my life.

This material world is full of stress and misery. The reason is people get attached to the results or fruits of their action. If we do our actions in the name of the Lord, without caring for the results, then our lives will be peaceful. This is well described in the following sloka,

"Karmany evadhikaraste,
Ma phaleshu kadacana,
Ma karma phala hetur bhur,
Ma te sango stv akarmani. "
( Gitaji 2,47)

Which means,
'You have a right to perform your duty but you are not entitled to the fruits of action. Do not consider yourself the cause of the results of your actions. Do not be attached to not doing your duty. '

Selfless work gives us peace of mind in this life and also advances us spiritually.

Thank You
Hare Krishna.

Prasad.A.Iragavarapu,M.D

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Hari Om

It so changes your life that the very change thereupon ceases to occur. It makes you realise the changelessness of you.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Dear sadhaks,
                   Namaste.During my college days I took sanskrit as second language and first two chapters of geeta were prescribed for paper one.I was very much interested to read and recollect certain verses like dehinosmin ...tatha dehantara prapti ( Gita 2/13) worked on me like mantra when I lost my mother at the age of 18.I can not forget the qualities of stitha prajna described by bhagvan from  Gita 2/55 to 2/72.
Badri Narayana Miriyala

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You may lose anger, fear, desire, attachment and ego. That is great. You are on
right lines. By losing all these, you are not going to be a living dead, you
will become a living freedom free from the shackels and bondage of this material
and desire-driven egoistic world. You will gain liberation. Your body and mind
will become free of all burdens and you will soon get instructions from God
within you on what you need to do. Do not worry. Give up this worry that you
have. You will lose nothing. You can only gain liberation and untained peace,
happiness and love. You will get what you need without even trying for it.
Basudeb Sen

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By reading the Gita you are realising the true value of material things. It is good that you are losing interest in worldly objects. Your reactions have mellowed. You are on the right path but your question shows that you have not reached the end of the journey. It is only the beginning. The only purpose of our existence is to unite with the Self. Till that happens you have to carry on. You have a long way to go to attain Moksha or liberation from the endless cycles of birth and death.
Hari Shanker Deo

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QUESTION:  
Dear members,
 
I have been trying to practice the Gita principles and reading it regularly as well, over past few months.
 
It has to a considerable extent mellowed down my reaction to an undesired event / occurrence, which earlier used to be emotionally intense reaction like ecstatic or angry.
 
However, i am finding i am also losing interest in worldly objects and events. For example passions for wordly objects like car, watches, electronic gadgets has practically died down. I am scared that i lose interest in life itself, and then probably will become a living dead - with all natural reactions, interests subjugated.
 
This is happening since i am doing regular reading and practice of Gita. It appears that this is doing me more harm than good.  The idea of ephemeral world and its attributes, makes one lose interest in doing anything worthwhile from human perspective.
 
It may be a subjective case of mine, but i would like to know experience of others.
 
regards
Sundeep Gupta
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Dear Sadaks,
Sundeep Gupta you are gifted to read Bagavath Geetha. Many have book in shelf and do not read even after reminding by friends. Your previous good deeds making you so. The mind is like this:- If you look at world, you like all objects. But you look at God, by way of Geetha, Sat Sangh, Bajans Etc naturally you loose interest in objects. But if one balances mind and intellect on God, he does not care if you wear costly cloths or just a piece of Cloth. Read Geetha and understand what exactly IT says. Example: Ramaganatha Gosami disciple of Sant Samartha Ramadoss. He was walking in jungle, when Marathi Shivaji came across. Shivaji knew that he was Sant disciple. Immediately Shivaji ordered, good cloths, simhasan, a tent and food and posted 5 Jawans to take care.The message went to Sant, that his disciple was enjoying comforts where as Sant was with NO comforts. Sant went to Gosami and said, "Gosami why all this abandon and go elsewhere". Gosami just abandoned, threw all cloths and went away. Again Shivaji met and same was ordered. Gosami back in comforts. Sant Ramdoss explains, that Gosami though seemed by other that he is in comforts, Gosami is not having any attachment to anything. Gosami was just watching his body been used by Shivaji, said Samartha Ramadoos. Jada Bharath was dressed well, insense applied, garlanded before beheaded. Bharath was same before trying beheading with all that and when Maa Kali appeared and beheaded tribes setting free Bharat. NOT a small difference to any attachment. Simple example: When a mad man given comforts of Jewels, dress Etc remains the same when they are taken away from him. All comes and goes. Due to imbalance, we feel happy when something comes and feel sad when it goes. Sri Krishna in Geetha said:- What you brought to loose-------. You all sadaks know the rest. But we forget.
B.Sathyanarayan
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Yes, attachment to any particular will no longer be there as now one is linked to every thing.
One sees the ecstasy of being alive.
Y V Chawla
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Shree Hari   Ram Ram 
 
Until you do not reveal that principle (siddhaant) of the Gita that you are practicing (abhyaas),  due to which your interest (ruchi) in life  is seemingly dead (mrtpraayah)  ,  nothing will be worth saying or hearing.   What is the fault of Gita in this?    Fault is in your own doing.   Because before doing you are attached (aasakt) to it's fruit (phal).   The first indispensability(aavashyaktaah) of the Gita is to be free of desire for fruit.   So be it,  Vineet Sarvottam
 
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Dear Mr Sandeep Gupta,
Bhagavad Gita aims at combining divinity, spirituality and social missiion. Its greatest message is in Verse 2-3 "" Arise from this paltry faint heartedness, O scorcher of your enemies" If by reading Bhagavaad Gita more harm is being done to you, it is because you are accepting Formal equivalence and NOT Dynamic Equivalence of the teachings of Bhagavd Gita. Lokmanya Tilak. Gokhale, Gandhi ji and many others accepted the Dynamic Equivalence of Bhagavd Gita and finally succeeded in attaining Independence. Thus all later verses should make you arise and not depressed.
 
The idea of ephemeral world MAYA- Cosmic Delusion is that do not live only in the material world which is an illusion of comfort in this vast turbulent sea of matter, the Real world is within you so combine both. Thus message is very clear if a person lives only in the material world of senses, his/her Human Nature is vastly diffreent i.e. ungrateful, fickle, deceitful, cowardly and avercious. If a person combines both- Inner Real world and outer world of vast turbuleent sea of matter, the Human Nature changes to love, harmony, others welfare, healthy community life and selfless activity for the larger Community. 
Bhagavd Gita no where says lose interest in wordly objects. Acquire worldly objects by developing positive Human Nature. Always keep verse 2-3 in mind and interpret later verses of Bhagavad Gita to ensure thatse make you arise to your selfless duty towards society.
 
with regards,
Prem Sabhlok

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Divine One!
The Lord is everything and being. Be compassionately detached. See the
essence. Be good and do good. "Detachment" doesn't mean running away from
the world, rather one has to change the way of looking at the world. Lord
Krishna never advised Arjuna to run away. He told Arjuna to fight always
thinking about Him, surrendering all the actions and fruits to Him and see
Him in every thing and being.

Thank you!

humble regards
-m
Manoj Panda
 
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Your observation is for real. This is exactly what happens during start ups. This shows that you are indeed sincere in reading Gitaji. May I now suggest that you not only read but also contemplate (and contemplate deep) on the subject. Please carefully read verse 47 in Chapter 2. Also relate this to verse 7 in chapter 8. Our Lord has ordered that we have to do our duty most efficiently but should not get attached to that activity in terms of results. Additionally, at all times we should remember HIM.
 
I distinctly remember one case which had disturbed me and on which I was lucky to have sought clarity from Swamiji Maharaj. In the interest of business we had to thin down the man power. This lead to a lot of misery to the families of the staff who were eased out. And this pained me a lot. So I asked Maharaj ji as to what I should do. He told me in no unclear terms that I should work like a muneem. The business actually belongs to god. He has given me the opportunity to look after the same to the best of my capability and ensure that the business runs profitably. It is only then will I be appreciated by HIM. The mistake we make is that we start thinking that the business in ours, but at the same time start applying the half understood (or rather misunderstood) interpretation of Gitaji. This is where there is a desperate need for guidance from GURU.
 
I recollect another experience from another sadhak. He explained that he has started feeling that he is not the body. But when ever he would have this feeling, his inner voice would say if you are not the body, please put it on a railway track. He then asked his Guruji as to what he should do. The answer he got was that if he is not the body who has given him the right to put it on the railway track. Will he put any body else's body on the track.
 
I sincerely hope that these thoughts will give you some lead.
 
A. H. Dalmia
 
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Shree Hari
Ram Ram
Pirya Sadhak, achhe prasana ke liye dhanyavad!
Congratulations for practicing Gita prionciples in life.
Based on Swamiji Maharaj's teachings, humbly submit the following comments: 
For the sincere seekers while studying Gitaji coming up of vairagya is very natural. Vairagya by nature is dry, generally, it is without prema and may seem a bit harsh even though not intended to be as such. But for the seekers of Jnana path, it is a must to have vairagya from the worldly things and the worldly relationships.
Vairagya is bothersome only when we leave the relationships out of the feeling of davesha but instead when we develop the vairagya with the understanding that all the visible universe is constantly changing and the events, things & situations are only of temporary nature. As we observe our own experience, the separation with the world is a must, whether it leaves us or we leave it. Developing vairagya in this fashion is much easier to deal with.    
For common folks like us, Swamiji Maharaj recommends the path of Bhakti, it is relatively easier since the requirement of vairagya is not a prerequisite. Loving relationship with God is the only requirement. A bhakta believes that everything and everyone belongs to God only and devotee serves the world as God's one grand family (Vasudev Kutumbkam) with a loving attitude. With this mind set, everything is changed, the devotee dedicates all actions to God. This also provides a natural outlet to express our true inherent nature to love all. No new actions need to be done, whatever we normally do, now are done with a loving attitude as an adoration to the Almighty. 
In Gitaji, different paths have been prescribed for the single goal of achieving union with the Supreme. One has to find out which of four Yogas (Jnana, Karma, Bhakti or Rajya) is most suitable for one to start with. In the end, of course there is no difference, all paths help the seekers to achieve the same goal. The choice of which Yoga to pursue first is based on our inherent tendencies, for example, for a person with devotional tendencies, choice of pursuing Jnana yoga may not prove to be natural.
This subject is covered extensively in Gitaji, few references are:
Gita (4-24) -"Brahma arpanam brahma havir, brahmagnau brahmana hutam
                  brahamai eva tena gantavyam, brahmakrmasamadhina"
    Meaning - The act of offering in sacrifice is Brahma, the oblation is Brahma,
                  the sacrificer himself is Brahma, the sacrificial fire as well is
                  Brahma; Brahma verily he attains who realizes the presence of
                  Brahma in action.
Gita (9-27) -"Yat karishi yad asnasi, yay juhosi dadasi yat
                  yat tapasyasi Kaunteya, tat kurusva madarpapnam"
    Meaning - O son of Kunti whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you
                  offer as oblation to the sacred fire, whatever you bestow as a
                  gift; whatever you do by way of penance, offer all to me.  
Gita (18-46) "Yatah pravrttir bhatanam, yena sarvam idam tatam
                   svakarmana tam abhyarcya, siddhim vindati manavah"
     Meaning - He from Whom all beings emanate and by Whom all this
                   pervaded, by worshipping Him through performance of his own
                   duty, man attains perfection.
NOTE: The detailed explanation on this subject is contained in 
         "Yoga Vasishta" when Sri Rama develops a vairagya from the world.
 
Ram Ram
 
Humble pranam
A sadhak 
Madan Kaura
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Dear Sundeep,
 
It's an initial phase. Don't be scared. Others around you, who are not following the Gita, will also make you worried about such a possibility. I would say that you should ignore them and not discuss much with them.
 
Be with the phase. It will give some meaningful insights. There will be some initial 'harm', or rather 'loss', till you become detached-without-being-worried. Then you will reach the next plane where whatever you do will be with greater purpose and meaning, or, at least, greater clarity.
 
It may even take more than a year.
 
The worry about losing a zest for life is natural but incorrect. And, anyway, all your old friends are there to pull you back in a pre-Gita mode of life whenever you want it :-)
 
Ram Ram
Vinay Somani
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Dear Sundeep,
 
Love and Love alone....
 
You are Sun-deep. Why are you, then, worried about the light and the heat?
 
Let me try to explain in my own humble way. Fire burns, sugar tastes and sweet, hurt pains, etc. etc. Like wise, Srimad Bhagavad Gita (SBG) teaches those qualities, by inculcating and imbibing which we get back to our original nature of a human being. Undoubtedly, these qualities are our original traits, but we forgot, having allowed ourselves to be allured by this glittering world. These qualities are, Vairaya, Tyaga, Unconditional Love, Complete Surrender, Nishkama Karma, etc., to quote and SBG is the repository of teachings to acquire them in this life itself. You, having started the journey, got scared like Arjuna. My dear Sundeep, drive deep in Sun ( i.e., in your Sadhana) and I am sure, all these will not trouble you anymore.
 
Love and Love alone....
 
P. Gopi Krishna
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Dear Sadhaka, Namaste You may want to re-read answer given by Bharathiji, it is very appropriate. If you are feeling fully satisfied and peaceful within yourself so you need not depend on objects of the world to fulfil yourself, then it is the best thing that can happen to anyone. If you are afraid of losing interest in objects, then the message of Gita has probably not sunk in as yet. Dettachment is objectivity, love and as a result, the right perspective toward objects! It is Freedom!
 
Pratap Bhatt
 
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The speaker (teacher) ,the listener (disciple) and the context has changed completely.Geeta is all about the war between the two different mindsets,one leading to happiness,joy and peace in life and other mindset leading to unhappiness ,chaos and sorrow in life.The true understanding of Geeta prepares a man to engage continuosly in this internal war.One has to perform the materialistc duties and remain alert of the mindset.
 
regards
 
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Dear colleagues, I have scanned through your writings and the most important point on losing interest on worldly matters and material things. Before realisation all these mundane things were our ultimate What was originally meant for selfish end takes a plunge and it dies. The person who had been toiling to earn them now realises he is only a trustee of the wealth he has been blessed by the Lord and it has to be put to the upliftment of the down trodden. Hence the very same person works harder to acquire more of wealth so that it is put to use of less fortunate. The attitude changes, The interest and work remains. The purpose and meaning of wealth changes. The selfish man dies and the spiritual man rises from the ashes like the mystical Phoenix.bird. As per Sri Ramakrishna, the most spiritually evolved person is the one who is dead even when living. This means all the base qualities go to the grave and spiritual values take birth. Is there anything better ? Regards, Sridharan
 
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Dear Devine,
 
Sukh ( happiness, bliss) is eternal demand of soul and  is eternal nature of living beings. Whatever we do is for this sukh only. Till now, you were considering material (wordly) happiness as only happiness , passion. For enjoying that you need trinity :  1st you have desire (kamna) , then do some work for achiving it (karma) and then fortunate enough to realize the desire (prarabdh). Then only you get that - so called "happiness" which have 3 shortcomings: that happiness will not remain forever, either enjoyer or enjoyed will cease to exist and that temporary happiness will take you away from your real happiness - self bliss (by giving wrong sanskar)......
 
So, be assured that you are on right path.. The real bliss (self bliss, atma-sukh) can only be experienced once these desires for outer wordly sukh will cease. That anand, atma sukh will be vilakshan , that bliss will be exclusive in nature , it will be ever increasing , peaceful , constant bliss.....
 
You must be  already experiencing it and that drives you to continue to take shelter of Shreemad Bhagwat GITAji. You can continue on this path and in my personal opinion, try to listen to satsang from a Saint about GITAji , who has realized the knowledge of GITAji. Sadhak Sanjeeni by Swami RamSukhdasji can definitely help you .......  
 
Shree Hari sharanam .......
-Anil Maini
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Hello all, this is my humble opinion. Regarding the experience of Geeta, many people think that if we get into spirituality..we may lose interest in life etc etc..but my opinion is, once u start reading and practising Geeta, you will become more aware of everythinga nd u will start enjoying the life to the fullest since you will not worry much about the fruits of ur actions (in a way, you do not expect anything but instead take everything in your stride.).
But again, some of the verses in geeta or any other veda or upanishad, we need to understand the subtle meanings properly otherwise, if we interpret the meaning other than what it is, then it will cause different feeling in oneself.
 
For example: people think that leaving all the life and renouncing the family and everything is renounciation. but if u observe closely the verses of Geeta, its mental renounciation that it mentions about and not at the physical level. Once way, its ok that u lost interest in car etc etc and now that means u know that the actual happiness does not lie in there. but again, its ok to enjoy each and everything too but at the mental level, youa re seeing the object/objects as they really are.
 
Also, please do not stress or force  yourself that you need to become spiritual etc etc..just do it as the love towards God or towards human beings or towards Spirituality and then, you will not worry much about what will happen if u lose interest in life etc etc. because you love to do whatever you are doing (either spirituality or anything..) so, why do u worry about anything what will happen in future at all. Have a nice evening.
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My view is very diff from most people. This is how I believe the Geeta state freedom from obsession about the result should be: You will enjoy driving your car more (not less) as you have no stress, tension, worry, etc. However when you do not have a car, you will be detached enough that you will not get frustrated, angry, or sad. You may be uncomfortable without the AC when you go by taxi, but you will not be complaining or be pissed off. Instead you may notice something else that will give you joy (maybe you will have a conversation with the taxi driver, maybe you will instead call your friend on your cell and forget the heat...)

I know that most people will not share this view. People shun material things, but material things are also made by God! Why is that Gita-followers think they should admire a flower and have in your house, but not admire beautiful Italian marble? Everything is made by God.

regards

Siddharth

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It is simply great that you hav esarted losing interest in things which keep
you attached to worldly pleasures, which are ephemeral. Many have been
trying for years, but not able to leave the atachment. You are on the right
path and keep practicing without worrying for the results . As you progress
further with your pursuits for achieving Higher Values of Life, everything
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Over the last year, I went through the same thing - I had a loss of zest for life, because I felt that there was no point to anything. That life was all predetermined, that we had little control and that we should exercise faith constantly and battle what ever is given to us. I also felt that I couldn't relate to people, not that I was above them, but rather that I didn't know what to say to anyone. All of this is a passing phase. You have to get through it to get past it and know there is an amazing beauty through the process and past the process. First, your cognizant you are going through it and next put your faith in god and know that you will move forward on to the next state that is meant for you. But, as often as you can do Namsmaran, the rest will fall into place. This whole process acted as a natural filter for me for what was core and essential to my life and what wasn't. Where I should NOT spend my time on a daily basis (not worrying) and where I should concentrate my efforts (helping others, gratitude, prayer). But again, go through it, know you are being led by the divine one himself, have full faith and make observations mentally or written down (whatever works). You will come to see so much in SO little time.

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Is interest in worldly possessions is being subdued forcibly or naturally weakening
because of understanding the non necessity of them for life?
Does worldly pleasures and acquisitions lead to life or lead one away from life?
Is not the mind that is indulged in possession and accumulation of wealth so self centered that it is totally insensitive to everything, from the environment, to fellow beings, to the existence it self?
Is not such self-centered isolation, death itself?
Unfortunately in our commercial culture, life is measured by the money one has earned, but those who have seen the real nature of life, who have experienced the life as it is, know the beauty and joy of it, and know that there is nothing in the world, the possession of which is in any way necessary for the endless joy. The acquiring mind can never understand the beauty of natural and spontaneous renunciation which fills the life with the infinite joy and peace. Forced renunciation can be very dangerous, instead understanding the reasons why one is renouncing and understanding the mind obsessed with possessiveness and acquisition is very helpful. It comes with satsanga.
Forced renunciation in order to achieve some hypothetical end, whether it is God or Moksha or liberation is not renunciation at all, but a bargain.

It is also to be seen whether the ephermality of life has been seen or it is just a concept? If it has been observed, all the colours of it, all the pain and joy of it, then it is no longer idea, it will be reality and there will not be any question, there is no choice at all. However, if it is just an idea, unexamined and accepted from scriptures without understanding as it is, then it is still an idea, and subsequent problems.
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OK i have not started reading the Gita yet but i notice that since i started pranayam (breathing) and trying to do yoga and reading sadhaka e-mails, I noticed the same thing and i think that it is a good thing and a bad thing ..because i noticed that when I'm around my friends that i really don't want to talk about what they talk about ( sports ,tv ,,, shows and girls ) It is like all this stuff is crazy ....our mind is always chasing afer something, ..... so I'll just say you started it now it is time that you finish it and don't be scared to fall out of the sky .....DeChef  >>>>>>>Parker>>>>>>

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nice pl note gita is for duty,activity and promote svadharma and get it into devotion that your period of life would be used for action without attachment to it much.

From: Prabhakar C L

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Jai SHri Krishna Its really nice to know that your reactions like anger have mellowed down, by practicing the teachings of Shrimad Bhagwad Gita. Please understand that following these teachings can NEVER harm you. It will for sure help you to achieve the ultimate goal of human life. ANd prorably quite quickly in your case. About your confusion and losing int. in various objects, pl. try to analyse your self how this has happened. Answer is there itself. May be you have misinterpreted some thing.

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Beautiful discussion, because these are real experiences.
 
I too went through the same phase. In fact I was worried what is becoming of me. I used to complain that there is too much focus on vairagya in our scriptures.
 
But over time, I have become more effective and enthusiastic and able to enjoy the moment a little better, because the mind is not preoccupied with thoughts and worries. I think doing meditation (or asan,pranayam + meditation) in parallel is usefull because sometimes these give you experiences of peace which now motivate you to work for these higher experiences.
 
Also, if I feel I had too much of dose, I do go out and be a little "worldly" for sometime and that is OK too.
 
Wish you all the best.

 

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Namaskar all,

In the Bhagavad Gita the essence (nectar) of the Vedical knowledge is written down in condensed verses (Sanskrit sutras). Many intelligent and famous persons judged this sophisticated book of the Hindu civilization on planet earth (solar system) as an excellent and brilliant product of the human mind.

Many years ago while I was suffering (sick, mental pains, loneliness, depressions, suicidal ...) and during a dark period when everybody had already forgotten me, a sannyasi visited my lonely and dirty home and brought the Bhagavad Gita for me. I did not know anything about Hinduism during that time. Nowadays, at this finite moment, I can say truly that the GITA is my holy savior and my Golden Cow, which gave me the nectar of Eternal Knowledge and youthness. My whole mind has been regenerated by the GITA, which gave me new life and happiness. That's why I decided to challenge all intelligent (humanoid) lifeforms on earth with this international contest on the Bhagavad Gita. For me, as a mortal and limited lifeform, this historical work of the Hindus on earth contains only truth and I am not able to prove that even a single sutra is not true.

My statement is:

The whole Bhagavad Gita is true (boolean value=1)......... 

(msg.  shortened due to length) 

Dewanand of the Netherlands

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Shree Hari
Ram Ram

(IN ENGLISH)
Shri Gitaji has been in existence of at least last 5,000 years, but
this life transformed simply from the meaning of Gita Shloka 18:66,
as explained by Shraddhey Swami Ramsukhdasji, in very simple
language. The difficulty was that how to surrender to (to take
refuge in) Bhagavaanji ? Swamiji simply gave this mantra "Brother,
there is nothing to do in surrendering. That which you understand
to be yours, simply do not consider it to be yours, then you have
taken refuge in Bhagavaan, because everything is already
Bhagavaan's. We in the midst somewhere, out of misunderstanding,
consider and hold on to it as ours, is a mistake that needs to be
corrected / wiped out. This itself is surrendering to Bhagavaan.
Isn't it correct? When there is distress, then simply by listening
to this, everything will become all right. There is nothing before
or after it, in the understanding of Gitaji. Swamiji had said -
"When you target one, all stand achieved." Thus it has been
attained. Just as it happened and took place, exactly the same has
been shared.

Ram Ram
Sarvottam


(IN HINDI)
Shri Gitaji toh pichale paanch hajjaar varshonse hai, kintu yeh
jeevan badal gayaa maatre Gita Shloka 18:66 ke arth Shraddhey Swami
Ramsukhdasji ki saral bhaashaa mein samajhne se. Katheenaayi thi ki
Bhagavaanji ko samarpan kaise kare ? Swamiji ne bas itnaa mantra
diyaa "Bhaiyye, samarpan kuch karanaa nahin hai. Bas jisse apnaa
samjhate ho, usse apanaa mat samjho, toh ho gaye Bhagavaanji ko
samarpeet, kyaunki sab hai hi Bhagavaan kaa hi. Hum beechmein usse
jo samajh baithe us galtee ko mitaanaa hai. Yahin Bhagavaan ko
samarpan karanaa hai. Theek hai na?" Jab kuch vikal hotaa hai, toh
isseeko sun lete hi sab theek ho jaataa hai. Iske naa aage ne
peeche, Shri Gitajeeka samajhnaa hua. Swamiji ne kahaa, "Ek saadhe,
sab sadhe" so sadh liyaa. Jo jaisaa hua, waisaa hi bataa diyaa.
hai.

Ram Ram
Sarvottam
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Dear Friends

Three years back somebody offered me Yatharth Gita by Adgadanandji.I
completed first reading of Gita in 4 days and since then have
read/listened to many times ,alone and in group.

I left job in January and work as consultant/advisor to persons
spiritualy inclined and willing to spread the teachings of Gita.

The most important slokas of Gitaji which had impact on me are
13/22, 5/14, 4/7&8, 5/14, 16/21 and 18/61,62 & 73.

It is important to spread Dharma to fellow being to penetrate the
veil of illusion (maya).

The only objective of writing this mail is to assure friends that
reading Gita continuously has immense benefit, beyond words.

regards

A K JAIN
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Dear Sadhaks
I was given Gitaji (ISKON) having never heard of it before, I was 26
years old. I knew it was good so I put it on my bookself for 7 years
unopened when my children came along. I decided to read it to them
and I have since not put it down. I read 1 shloka in sanskrit a day.
It has changed me, now I tell my teenage children to read it, they
but they don't listen. Educated by in the west I now consider my
self a recovering Hindu and have concluded any person of Hindu
descent who speaks mainly in English and claims no belief in Bhagwan
are "infected" and need help just like me

Jayesh A Patel
Jai Shree Krishna
Ram Ram

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It's really nice to hear of someone saying that we are all
descendants of the Almighty. If only everyone in the world will
believe this, there will be no racism/ casteism / religious
intolerance, fighting / killing between different religions/faiths
etc.

But, I guess, those who realise this feeeling/fact will always be
the ones who are open to ideas, and not the radicals, with fixed
notions about 'A' God, with minimum broad-mindedness.

Kalidasan
"Kalidas Vaidyanathan"

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I am an engineer and management specialist for livilihood. In Nov
1999 at Hyderabad in the hotel, I found a book Yatharth Gita written
by Swami Adgadnand ji on the side table of my bed. On that day, I
felt my body becoming very light and vibrating and calm. This was
first experience. My grand father (nana ji) was a sanskrit scholor
and he studied Bhagwat Gita written by Gandhi, and knew Gandhi
personally. In my family, it was considered highest duty towards all
died family members if children grow up and study Bhagwat as well
as RamChart Manas. He did not force me to study it, and said that at
proper time, you will catch fire of the Bhagwat Gita. He thought me
that Bhagwat Gita is the fire and humans are wood, and it is not
choice of the wood, but that of the fire.

I was compulsive practitioner of mathematics as all managers do, and
that limited me in undertanding non mathematical or selfless
behaviour. I was then thinking that I earn somehow and if I study
Bhagwat Gita, I may be less clever and go begging. But Bhagwat Gita
turned out to be a book of management. Mathematics is for
accountants and not leaders. It said that one should worship Him by
work, and do it best way; not like what other pundits recommend.
Krishna 's teaching is phlosophy of life and beyond, On the side of
world, it then turned out that business improved without effort and
relatonship with others improved. More I concentrated on work and
purity of its quality, more calm, it was and more energy in my life.

First sloka was from Chapter 13
Updrishta numanta ..................
Which I have referered in Gita Talk countless time.
Now I study the real world with the thoery of Bhagwat Gita. I work
effortlessly, and defenselessly, and yet have all prosperity, and
relationship and love from all.

But in the end, I always remember myself, who was a cruel and hard
task master and busy in planning. And I want every one of us,
especally managers to learn Bhagwat Gita or more correctly said that
Bhagwat Gita should read/burn them in Her fire. I now want every one
to know the Bhagwat Gita just as it occured to me. I cannot see
people who are ignorant of the concept of the Bhagwat Gita, but feel
handicap in helping all of them.

Best regards
K G
(Krishna Gopal)
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Dear Sadaks,
Like Komal there are numerous people experiencing this. People who
does not happen to experiencre this will not believe.
For me: I want to buy some thing I do not get. Little later I
realize better I did not buy it. I was been disturbed by my brother
to leave the house where we were all staying together. I told My
wife that GOD is taking care just ignore my brothers words, and
never even think of it. I got a palacial house, left my job and did
business - money flowed, children got married and settled. I was
thinking that I should retire from activity at 50 - that happened.
Some one talking to me about Badrinath - tears came, next month
itself a pilgrimage took place of Badrinath, Mathura, Kasi, Puri etc
where in each temple Dharshan was special, though I knew No one but
GOD, saints blessed me. I thought I should sit in solitude and shed
tears on GOD - a house on hill top amidst nature came. Whole family
sticks to Ekadasi Vratham, kindness, pooja and listening scripts and
puranas from my library. Just a month back my family and me were to
go to Guruvayur (South Dwaraka) krishna temple, few hours before the
trip my daughter developed severe back pain, doctor said tumour on
spine - HB 8.2 count low, 3 times tested the result was same - risk
of life. I alone traveled to Sri Krishna temple, even though
doctors abused me. On returning, daughter's - HB was 10.9, tumor
reduced, minor operation done, my daughter recovered shortly.
I know my family is maya and Sri Krishna is Sat. I simply keep HIM
alone in my heart. I know that my family members are perishable .
But Bagavan has been with me through out my many lifetimes (jalmas).
B.Sathyanarayan


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Jai Shree Krishna, I just wanted to share my experience with all the
members of this group. I am a student of Biotechnology and for me it
was a totally a new subject in the 1st yr {of my college}. I read
GITAJI daily with my FATHER and MOTHER and also used to during my
examinations. During that period of my life, I slowly came to know
how to talk to GOD that is how to listen and reply to your inner
voice just because of GITAJI. I had my Biotech practical exam and
that day I was a bit nervous. I thought that GOD please give me
those experiments to perform which I know best, I was getting
nervous. I was handed my question paper and I got two of the
experiments which I had never done, I just knew the theory. I was
about to get more nervous then suddenly a voice came from inside of
me "WHY DO U WORRY WHEN I'M WITH YOU". I thought what was this and
then this sentence was repeated again and in addition "I'm with you
dont worry I'll help you in perform this experiment" I just couldn't
believe that there really was GOD helping me because it was my 1st
experience rather I should say the 1st time that I learned to
recognize GOD's voice. I don't care whether any one believes or not
but during the whole experiment i.e 5 hrs I was guided by someone
and that is GOD, literally as if somebody is standing beside me
helping me at every step. I was even complemented by my teachers
for performing the experiment well. I just want to say that GITAJI
is not just a book its a living experience, a realization. Its the
life and essentiality for the Soul. It takes us closer to the
recognition that "yes" we are the descendants of the ALMIGHTY. This
was my experience any comments are welcome.

AT THY LOTUS FEET

Komal Gurdasani
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Tuesday, November 24, 2009

[gita-talk] Gita Essence / Excerpts / Insights

 

Shree Hari  Ram Ram
 
With Gita Jayanti this week.. .we are revisiting older postings focused on Gita.  Sadhaks please share with us the Essence of Gita. 
Gita Talk Moderators,  Ram Ram 
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Central theme is that there is only one and no other.
Rest is Leela. 
 
It is difficult to imagine this till you get back to your Mool Awastha.
 
Sushil Jain
 
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||Shri Hari||

Ram Ram

Whatever happened, it happened for good.
Whatever is happening, is also happening for good.
Whatever will happen, that too will be for good.
What have you lost for which you weep?
What did you bring with you, which you have lost?
What did you produce, which has perished?
You did not bring anything when you were born.
Whatever you have taken, it is taken from here.
Whatever you have given, it is given here.
You came empty handed and you will go the same way.
Whatever is yours today, will be somebody else's tommorow,
And it will be some other's later.
This change is the law of the universe
And the common theme behind My Creation.

"Life is a great school for the development of character"

Please share related insights from the Gita

Ram Ram
Ramkrishna

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Shree Hari
Ram Ram
Indeed the two verses speak about the Essence of Gita. Many great men have expressed their views on the Essence of Gita. Starting with Swamiji Maharajji, he said the Essence of Gita is only Sharanagati, the idea of Sharnagati comes in Gitaji at the beginning, in the middle and at the end of the teaching.
Beginning - Arjuna takes up Sharanagati
Verse (2-7): Karpanyadosophatasvabhavah,
                    prcchami tvam dharmsamudhacetah
                    yac chreyah syan niscitam bruhi tan me,
                    sisays te 'ham sadhi mam tvam prapannam
Meaning: My very being is overpowered by the sense of faint heartedness, my
              understanding is confused as to duty. I ask Thee. Tell me, for certain, which
              is better. I am Thy disciple; pray instruct me, who has sought refuge in Thee. 
Middle - Lord Krishna declares the position of those devotees who solely depend on Him.
Verse (9-22): ananyas cintayanto mam, ye janah paryupaste
                      tesam nityabhuktanam, yogaksemam vahamy aham  
Meaning: Those devotees, however, who worship Me alone thinking of none else and ever
                united, I Myself attend to their wants and needs and provide them with security of
                what they have.  
At the End: After listening to verse (18-66), which is the Sharnagati verse, Lord Krishna asks Arjuna about his state of mind after listening to the whole of Gita, Arjuna says -
Verse (18-73): nasto mohah smrtir labdha, tvaprasadan maya 'cyuta
                        sthito 'smi gatasamdehah, karisye vacanam tava
Meaning: My delusion is destroyed, my memory has come back with Thy grace, O    
                 Acuhuta, I stand firm, my doubts dispelled, I shall do Thy bidding.
After this point in Gitaji, there is no more "Sri Bhagvan-uvac" or even "Arjuna-uvac", which says the whole Gita teaching is complete, it is at this time when Arjuna surrenders and embraces Sharnagati completely, he surrenders his ego to Lord Krishna. 
Adi Sankracharya says - Essence of Gita is contained in -
Verse (11-55): matkarrmakrn matparamo, madbhaktah sangavarjitah
                        nirvairah sarvabhutesu yah sa mam eti pandava
Meaning: He who performs all actions for Me, to whom I am the Supreme, he My devotee, has no attachment, and is free from malice towards all beings, reaches Me, O Pandava.
Swami Vivekananda says - If one reads the following shloka, one gets all the merits of reading the entire Gita; for in this one shaloka lies imbedded the whole Message of the Gita.
Verse (2-3): klaibyam ma sma gamah Partha, nai 'tat tvay upapadyate
                    ksudram hrdaydaurbalyam, tyatvo 'ttistha paamtapa     
"Yield not to unmanliness, O son of Pratha! It does not become of thee. Caste off this mean faint heartedness and arise, O scorcher of thy enemies!"
Ram Ram
With loving regards,
A sadhak
Madan Kaura
 
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DO YOUR DUTY LEAVE ALL UNTO HIM 
Hari Motwani

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While every verse of Gita is very important, some verses contain the
central theme or message. Let us discuss and understand such verses.

As per my understanding,verses 61 and 62 of 18th chapter saying that God resides
in the heart of everyone and only by surrendering to God, taking shelter in that
God which resides in the heart of everyone, everlasting peace is achieved.

welcome discussion on the above slokas(verses)

regards

A K Jain

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Dear Jain Ji
 
Love and Love alone......
 
Many thanks for your wonderful exposition. It was a treat not only to the eyes to read, but also to the mind to contemplate and emulate and ultimately get out of the birth-death cycle. The basic teaching of Gita is Tyaga. Whatever we do, whether it is mundane or spiritual, let that be done with a sincere feeling of renunciation. If renunciation is implemented with all sincerity and seriousness, all other tendencies will simply melt away.
Thank you very much for the ignition. May God bless you.
 
Love and Love alone......
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Paritala Gopi Krishna
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Whatever is happening, it is happening due to God's will. Without His will, nothing is capable of happening. Therefore in favorable and unfavorable situations, learn to remain happy. Simply say to the compassionate Lord, that my strings are entirely in Your hands. Let your wish be fulfilled. And bless me with the feeling that I lean to remain ever happy in Your will. Even this is not possible without Your wish. I am only the instrument in Your hands. It is only You who does everything.

Hari Motwani

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Loving Divine,
Humble pranams.
Because it came from Ashokji, I dare to answer the way I am going to  :-)
I am going to question your every word, of course, I will answer it too :-)
'God resides in the heart of everyone and only by surrendering to God,...' 'everlasting peace...'
Where God does not reside? Omnipresent
Why limit to 'in heart' only? Every atom of a body is filled with God
Why everyone and not without? He is with, within and without?
When everything is HIS ONLY, is there anything truly to surrender? 
Who is God?  Can He be any different than the true 'I, me or myself'?
Isn't peace always present? Isn't it disturbed only when we become noisy?  Peace = God, when the mind becomes restless, the peace is lost.
With love,
always at Thy Lotus Feet
Manjula Patel
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Ram Ram Sadhakas: Here are some thoughts!
Very nice excerpts-advise given to individuals to wake
them up from this wakeful dream to their reality being
Atman, Consciousness absolute!
Good or bad, loss or gain, I, mine and yours are false
notions! Everything just happens(not good or bad),
birth and death are just events(not beginning or
end))!
"I" is really pure Consciousness/Awareness which IS,
all there is(not body-mind organism I call "me", my
name.
It perceives and is never perceived. It sees but
cannot be seen, hears but not heard, touches but not
touched, tastes but cannot be tasted, smells but
cannot be smelt, thinks but cannot be thought!
What is perceived(body, mind, world) are incidental,
what perceives is Significant, real, and I am that!
Let us wake up from the Dream and realize our true
identity as Being-Consciousness-Bliss. Let us not say
how do we do it or is very difficult to do that!
Let us remember as Krishna says "That which Is cannot
go out of existence and that which is NOT cannot come
into existence! And you are That!
Namasteji.......

Pratap Bhatt

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Loving Divine,
Humble pranams.
Beautiful indeed...
I would like to add something to your email as I had heard this from Baba Prajnananandaji.  Other scriptures do talk about 6 evils kaam (desires / lust / passion), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), mada (ego / pride / vanity), moha (attachments), and matsarya/maatsarya (jealousy).  Gitaji addresses them all but not sure how exactly the subject of jealousy is addressed (is dvesh the same as jealousy or it means hatred?  Not sure, someone can please expand...).  Any way, Babaji said that we should never ever engage ourselves in comparison with others due to the two major reasons:
  • When we compare ourselves with others and find ourselves superior, it boosts our ego (mada - the false 'I') which is blinding the true self, an obstacle in our sadhana
  • OR, when we find ourselves inferior to someone/something, it creates jealousy within us which is also a major hurdle for a sadhak.  We can find cases in our history where spiritual jealousy have killed other sadhaks !!!  Jealousy is hidden in our heart, it is very secretive and difficult to pin point.
Thanks again for sharing the essense.
humble regards,
always at Thy Holy Feet
Manjula Patel
 
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Shree Hari
Ram Ram
Regarding the Essence of Gita, here is a short poem by an unknown author!
On this battle field
there seems to be duel.
Lord uses this in order to create a precious jewel.
Pain and pleasure, Love and Hate
Feelings come and go
Hold onto Love and Love alone,
That's all you need to know.
All things are connected,
nothing is by chance.
Keep this knowledge in your heart
and feel the cosmic dance.
Love the world, Love yourself
the two are quite the same.
Open your heart to all,
let go of all the pain.
Give yourself to all you meet
and Peace will fall upon your feet.
All frustrations melt away
and there will be a new doorway.  
Ram Ram 
With loving regards,
A Sadhak
Madan Kaura

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Dear All
 
Why not Surrender- the only issue, to say so
 
You have pointed to the root/ core of all the issues.
 
Frankly ,the frequency ,degree and intensity of surrendering varies from time to time in one's life.As per my understanding non-surrendering is due to:-
 
1) The in-built design of human being operating under  " attack or run" mode.
2)The social/ religious belief system. we sub-consciously accept the same as truth.For example-status  and prestige in society is due to money or financial security is most important.
3)Our sense of  duty to do so and so.
 
4) And finally greed according to me.Greed may be defined as what I have is not enough.
 
I would like to draw attention to verse 73 of 18th Chapter where Arjuna says:my attachments have been destroyed ,I have regained memory and I am free from doubts (Nashto Mohah,smiritih labdha ,gat sandehah)
 
Here smiritih labdha (memory restored ) means  now I understand myself but it happens in that order i.e.
Attachment destruction lead to memory regaining and that leads to freedom from doubts.
 
So,why we cannot surrender -most likely due to our moha and most strong attachment is towards my thought, my point of view and then it extends to every thing attached to me.
 
Some buddhi-vilasita from me.
 
best regards
 
A K Jain
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Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

Two of the very beautiful verses from Gita's essence are as mentioned by Ashokji!

In my understanding the gist of the verses are : All beings, sentients and insentients derive their beings from Ishwara as Beingness itself! Beingness manifesting as Consciousness of Ishwar, taken as Jagat. As such there is only One indivisible Being which is Brahman-Self-Ishwara, but  due to Maya principle, we think of ourselves as separate jivatmas, and doers of our actions. Jivatmas are held  together like flowers, so to speak, by this One thread of  Beingness of Lord, but Maya keeps them hooked to deep rooted belief  "I am an independently existing entity, karta, and bhokta of "my" karma-phalas". This central belief is taken as "me",  keeps them-jivas revolving like machine around it. This is bondage

In verse 62, it is told that seeking refuge in Ishwara one becomes free from ignorance of Maya and obtains freedom  or Moksha! Seeking refuge in Him means to see the falsehood of our separate existence and doership! Then by the grace of Ishwara, Guru in some form may appear and remove this ignorance! 

It is important to me to grasp the meaning of taking refuge in Lord who abides in our heart! With total devotion, performing all duty bound karmas within our dharmas in whatever roles assigned to us, brings this Knowledge of  Who/What we truly are, free from all notions, beliefs and ideas about us!

This is the essence of Gita as I understand it!

Namaskaras.... Pratap Bhatt
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Dear Mr Pratap Bhatt and all other Sadhaks
 
Verse 62 of 18th Chapter says "by seeking refuge in God (which resides in every one's heart) completely (sarvabhaven) and as a grace of that you will obtain everlasting peace.It does not say anything else.
 
Sometimes, Gita is to be understood from heart or experienced.The God residing in our heart wants happiness and joy for everyone.
 
Despite difference in view ,I have very high regards for you.
 
A K Jain 
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Hi,

That is a good way to sum-up the essense of gita! I'd like to add something to the "anger section".

I think as Ashokji said, forgiveness is essential to conquer anger. Most often we forgive everyone else around us but fail to forgive ourselves. I think this causes a helpless state that leads to more frustration and there-by more anger.

Let me know what you think!

Cheers,
Uma Sridhar
 
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Initial practitioners of Bhagwat Gita should first develop their intellect by
isolation, contemplation and understanding with an aim to get connected with
consciousness of Sri Krishna (Mum Mana Bhav or unify your consciousness with
consciousness of Sri Krishna). This is (bhajan or preparation stage) after which
'karma' can begin. In the next step, intellect connected with Sri Krishna gets
into automatic mode without efforts and it freely works in its direction
without expectation or results of fruit of work, and without anger or revenge to
none. After the end of ;karma' , it gets Moxa.

regards
K G Misra
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Just begin to spend sometime with yourself in meditation and say a few simple
prayers. Understand the meanings of the prayers and there by one builds up a
relationship with Isvara the Almighty.

In life any relationship has to be created and built up with interest and love.
How do your parents love you? How do your kith and kin love you? How do your
friends love you? If they did not have shraddha, will they ever be in touch with
you or interact with you. The shraddha and love for each other develops only by
spending quality time in interaction with each other.

Prayer is the means of interaction to build up a relatioship with Isvara to
understand, appreciate and earn His grace.

Wishing you good luck
Love and prayers
Lakshmi Muthuswamy
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Your question - aseem shradhha and love for the Almighty and that too for all
the time without any indulgence in material world?"

Take a caterpillar..the way it moves is: it moves from one leave to another and
till it gets hold of the next leave, it will not let go of the current leaf it
is holding onto. So, its ok whatever you do, and if by any chace u cannot
concentrate on love for Go...its is alright and pray to God with that sincerity
and purity in ur heart to lead you in the way He intends and he directs you and
takes you to situations where you have never even imagined about.

You can please remember this verse: with that complete sincerity in ur heart :
"Sarva dhaman paritygya, mamekam saranam vraja, aham tva sarva papebhyo,
mokshaikshami maashucha". Leave everything other
ideas/concepts/understanding/dharma/everything alone and do your duties and
SURRENDER to ME alone and I will take care of everything and you will be
resolved of your sins.

Regards,
Bharathi
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One of the main messages of Gita is where Krishna says to leave the
doership "Kartabhaav" , and merely watch the world as a Witness, "Saakshi".

views on forgiveness. it is easy to forgive others but hard to forgive oneself.
The main reason for guilt is strong self identification, as the more we dwell in
thought that I am the doer,
the more guilt, self pity etc. whereas the more time we spend in God and us as
only His instrument, then there will be less emphasis on us, less self pity,
less guilt etc.

It is difficult to give up doership of negative actions like hurting others,
jealousy, anger, greed. "SELF IDENTIFICATION" is the Tamsic guna,and one should
practice the disidentification with the body and mind for all the time
remembering that I am not the doer of these actions.

Thanks
Wisdom to all
fROM "saakshigagan"
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This is a very nice topic for discussion.

I think the seed of these verses by Lord Kirshna are in the Sankhya Yogam (2nd Chapter). To bring this knowledge into experience, which is our goal, I think we should start practising Karma Yoga, which means to offer each and every action to Bhraman. As these offerings are to the God, the offerings has to be devoid of all flaws. This is difficult, but has to be practised with utmost sincerity. No matter how long it takes we havr to stick to it. We should also practise evenmindedness (titiksha)which means nither getting jubilant with gain nor getting depressed with loss. Gita talks a lot about evenmindedness. Meditation is the third dimension to this path.

Please do correct me if I have gone wrong anywhere. Thank you.

Regards,

Ravi Mukkavill.

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!
I have high regards for all of us who share what they
have learned and experienced from Bhagwat Gita. It is
the supreme Yoga of gyan, bhakti, and karma through
which one crosses over the ocean(sagar) of Sansar(Bhav)
which is ignorance of oneself!

Ashokji has been a very valuable contributor helping
us to see the essence, and also appreciate for
inviting discussion on these important verses.
As such verse 62 of ch 18, literally means to take
refuge in Ishwara who dwells in our hearts to receive
grace as peace. I just expounded as to how in my
humble understanding the grace flows as peace, what
does it mean to take refuge or surrender.
I think one goes far with insight into words, meaning
reading between the lines! Peace and happiness which
is our true nature, what we are, not we need to
achieve, flows only when "me" drops out as result of
surrender which happens naturally through His Grace
in the form of insight/wisdom.
mentioning!
Namaskar! ... Pratap Bhatt
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Dear Friends

As per my earlier postings , essence of Gita is contained in verses
61 & 62 of 18th Chapter, verse 8 of 4th Chapter, verse 14 of 5 th
Chapter and verse 73 of 18th Chapter.

Another important message is contained in verse 21 of 16th Chapter
as under:-
Desires ( lust, passion), anger, and greed are the three main gates
to the hell because they destroy the soul and as such should be
given up.
Desires, anger and greed creates hell in this life and whenever
anyone of the above is active in our life we feel suffering of
hell. Whenever anyone of the above takes possession of us, we are
not in a position to think clearly.
Understanding of the presence of kama, krodh and lobh in our life
and the supportive structure built for their nourishment will enable
us to start process of giving up the same.
Desires –basic question to be asked is `what do we want and why do
we want'. One has to observe and find out what desires creates hell
and what desires create heaven.
Anger-owning up responsibility for anger is the first step. Saying I
became angry instead of he/she made me angry. Recognizing everyone
has perfect logic for whatever they are doing as I have my own logic
is the second step. Third step will be to understand our prime duty
is to be happy and not to do any thing which creates unhappiness in
our life.
Best antidote for anger is practicing forgiveness-I forgive now,
unconditionally and completely.
Greed –greed is mostly hidden and not apparent in day to day life.
Greed wants more for unknown reasons and links the requirement with
something unconnected or vague objective. Close introspection will
reveal our greed. Greed thrives on insecurity, illogical
justification and happiness in future.
All our worship to so many Gods and Goddesses and also for
knowledge, moksha is invisible form of greed.
Best antidote for greed is charity and helping others without
expectation of return, expectation of name or fame or keeping
account. Charity or dan is to be done beyond capacity, at earliest
and at every opportunity.
Please share your views.
Regards
A K Jain
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very truly said
 
would u plz help me as how one could develop aseem shradhha and love for the Almighty and that too for all the time without any indulgence in material world?
 
hope u answer
 
hari om

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[gita-talk] My Experience with Gita

 

Dear members,
 
I have been trying to practice the Gita principles and reading it regularly as well, over past few months.
 
It has to a considerable extent mellowed down my reaction to an undesired event / occurrence, which earlier used to be emotionally intense reaction like ecstatic or angry.
 
However, i am finding i am also losing interest in worldly objects and events. For example passions for wordly objects like car, watches, electronic gadgets has practically died down. I am scared that i lose interest in life itself, and then probably will become a living dead - with all natural reactions, interests subjugated.
 
This is happening since i am doing regular reading and practice of Gita. It appears that this is doing me more harm than good.  The idea of ephemeral world and its attributes, makes one lose interest in doing anything worthwhile from human perspective.
 
It may be a subjective case of mine, but i would like to know experience of others.
 
regards
Sundeep Gupta
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Divine One!
The Lord is everything and being. Be compassionately detached. See the
essence. Be good and do good. "Detachment" doesn't mean running away from
the world, rather one has to change the way of looking at the world. Lord
Krishna never advised Arjuna to run away. He told Arjuna to fight always
thinking about Him, surrendering all the actions and fruits to Him and see
Him in every thing and being.

Thank you!

humble regards
-m
Manoj Panda
 
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Your observation is for real. This is exactly what happens during start ups. This shows that you are indeed sincere in reading Gitaji. May I now suggest that you not only read but also contemplate (and contemplate deep) on the subject. Please carefully read verse 47 in Chapter 2. Also relate this to verse 7 in chapter 8. Our Lord has ordered that we have to do our duty most efficiently but should not get attached to that activity in terms of results. Additionally, at all times we should remember HIM.
 
I distinctly remember one case which had disturbed me and on which I was lucky to have sought clarity from Swamiji Maharaj. In the interest of business we had to thin down the man power. This lead to a lot of misery to the families of the staff who were eased out. And this pained me a lot. So I asked Maharaj ji as to what I should do. He told me in no unclear terms that I should work like a muneem. The business actually belongs to god. He has given me the opportunity to look after the same to the best of my capability and ensure that the business runs profitably. It is only then will I be appreciated by HIM. The mistake we make is that we start thinking that the business in ours, but at the same time start applying the half understood (or rather misunderstood) interpretation of Gitaji. This is where there is a desperate need for guidance from GURU.
 
I recollect another experience from another sadhak. He explained that he has started feeling that he is not the body. But when ever he would have this feeling, his inner voice would say if you are not the body, please put it on a railway track. He then asked his Guruji as to what he should do. The answer he got was that if he is not the body who has given him the right to put it on the railway track. Will he put any body else's body on the track.
 
I sincerely hope that these thoughts will give you some lead.
 
A. H. Dalmia
 
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Shree Hari
Ram Ram
Pirya Sadhak, achhe prasana ke liye dhanyavad!
Congratulations for practicing Gita prionciples in life.
Based on Swamiji Maharaj's teachings, humbly submit the following comments: 
For the sincere seekers while studying Gitaji coming up of vairagya is very natural. Vairagya by nature is dry, generally, it is without prema and may seem a bit harsh even though not intended to be as such. But for the seekers of Jnana path, it is a must to have vairagya from the worldly things and the worldly relationships.
Vairagya is bothersome only when we leave the relationships out of the feeling of davesha but instead when we develop the vairagya with the understanding that all the visible universe is constantly changing and the events, things & situations are only of temporary nature. As we observe our own experience, the separation with the world is a must, whether it leaves us or we leave it. Developing vairagya in this fashion is much easier to deal with.    
For common folks like us, Swamiji Maharaj recommends the path of Bhakti, it is relatively easier since the requirement of vairagya is not a prerequisite. Loving relationship with God is the only requirement. A bhakta believes that everything and everyone belongs to God only and devotee serves the world as God's one grand family (Vasudev Kutumbkam) with a loving attitude. With this mind set, everything is changed, the devotee dedicates all actions to God. This also provides a natural outlet to express our true inherent nature to love all. No new actions need to be done, whatever we normally do, now are done with a loving attitude as an adoration to the Almighty. 
In Gitaji, different paths have been prescribed for the single goal of achieving union with the Supreme. One has to find out which of four Yogas (Jnana, Karma, Bhakti or Rajya) is most suitable for one to start with. In the end, of course there is no difference, all paths help the seekers to achieve the same goal. The choice of which Yoga to pursue first is based on our inherent tendencies, for example, for a person with devotional tendencies, choice of pursuing Jnana yoga may not prove to be natural.
This subject is covered extensively in Gitaji, few references are:
Gita (4-24) -"Brahma arpanam brahma havir, brahmagnau brahmana hutam
                  brahamai eva tena gantavyam, brahmakrmasamadhina"
    Meaning - The act of offering in sacrifice is Brahma, the oblation is Brahma,
                  the sacrificer himself is Brahma, the sacrificial fire as well is
                  Brahma; Brahma verily he attains who realizes the presence of
                  Brahma in action.
Gita (9-27) -"Yat karishi yad asnasi, yay juhosi dadasi yat
                  yat tapasyasi Kaunteya, tat kurusva madarpapnam"
    Meaning - O son of Kunti whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you
                  offer as oblation to the sacred fire, whatever you bestow as a
                  gift; whatever you do by way of penance, offer all to me.  
Gita (18-46) "Yatah pravrttir bhatanam, yena sarvam idam tatam
                   svakarmana tam abhyarcya, siddhim vindati manavah"
     Meaning - He from Whom all beings emanate and by Whom all this
                   pervaded, by worshipping Him through performance of his own
                   duty, man attains perfection.
NOTE: The detailed explanation on this subject is contained in 
         "Yoga Vasishta" when Sri Rama develops a vairagya from the world.
 
Ram Ram
 
Humble pranam
A sadhak 
Madan Kaura
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Dear Sundeep,
 
It's an initial phase. Don't be scared. Others around you, who are not following the Gita, will also make you worried about such a possibility. I would say that you should ignore them and not discuss much with them.
 
Be with the phase. It will give some meaningful insights. There will be some initial 'harm', or rather 'loss', till you become detached-without-being-worried. Then you will reach the next plane where whatever you do will be with greater purpose and meaning, or, at least, greater clarity.
 
It may even take more than a year.
 
The worry about losing a zest for life is natural but incorrect. And, anyway, all your old friends are there to pull you back in a pre-Gita mode of life whenever you want it :-)
 
Ram Ram
Vinay Somani
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Dear Sundeep,
 
Love and Love alone....
 
You are Sun-deep. Why are you, then, worried about the light and the heat?
 
Let me try to explain in my own humble way. Fire burns, sugar tastes and sweet, hurt pains, etc. etc. Like wise, Srimad Bhagavad Gita (SBG) teaches those qualities, by inculcating and imbibing which we get back to our original nature of a human being. Undoubtedly, these qualities are our original traits, but we forgot, having allowed ourselves to be allured by this glittering world. These qualities are, Vairaya, Tyaga, Unconditional Love, Complete Surrender, Nishkama Karma, etc., to quote and SBG is the repository of teachings to acquire them in this life itself. You, having started the journey, got scared like Arjuna. My dear Sundeep, drive deep in Sun ( i.e., in your Sadhana) and I am sure, all these will not trouble you anymore.
 
Love and Love alone....
 
P. Gopi Krishna
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Dear Sadhaka, Namaste You may want to re-read answer given by Bharathiji, it is very appropriate. If you are feeling fully satisfied and peaceful within yourself so you need not depend on objects of the world to fulfil yourself, then it is the best thing that can happen to anyone. If you are afraid of losing interest in objects, then the message of Gita has probably not sunk in as yet. Dettachment is objectivity, love and as a result, the right perspective toward objects! It is Freedom!
 
Pratap Bhatt
 
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The speaker (teacher) ,the listener (disciple) and the context has changed completely.Geeta is all about the war between the two different mindsets,one leading to happiness,joy and peace in life and other mindset leading to unhappiness ,chaos and sorrow in life.The true understanding of Geeta prepares a man to engage continuosly in this internal war.One has to perform the materialistc duties and remain alert of the mindset.
 
regards
 
A K Jain 
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Dear colleagues, I have scanned through your writings and the most important point on losing interest on worldly matters and material things. Before realisation all these mundane things were our ultimate What was originally meant for selfish end takes a plunge and it dies. The person who had been toiling to earn them now realises he is only a trustee of the wealth he has been blessed by the Lord and it has to be put to the upliftment of the down trodden. Hence the very same person works harder to acquire more of wealth so that it is put to use of less fortunate. The attitude changes, The interest and work remains. The purpose and meaning of wealth changes. The selfish man dies and the spiritual man rises from the ashes like the mystical Phoenix.bird. As per Sri Ramakrishna, the most spiritually evolved person is the one who is dead even when living. This means all the base qualities go to the grave and spiritual values take birth. Is there anything better ? Regards, Sridharan
 
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Dear Devine,
 
Sukh ( happiness, bliss) is eternal demand of soul and  is eternal nature of living beings. Whatever we do is for this sukh only. Till now, you were considering material (wordly) happiness as only happiness , passion. For enjoying that you need trinity :  1st you have desire (kamna) , then do some work for achiving it (karma) and then fortunate enough to realize the desire (prarabdh). Then only you get that - so called "happiness" which have 3 shortcomings: that happiness will not remain forever, either enjoyer or enjoyed will cease to exist and that temporary happiness will take you away from your real happiness - self bliss (by giving wrong sanskar)......
 
So, be assured that you are on right path.. The real bliss (self bliss, atma-sukh) can only be experienced once these desires for outer wordly sukh will cease. That anand, atma sukh will be vilakshan , that bliss will be exclusive in nature , it will be ever increasing , peaceful , constant bliss.....
 
You must be  already experiencing it and that drives you to continue to take shelter of Shreemad Bhagwat GITAji. You can continue on this path and in my personal opinion, try to listen to satsang from a Saint about GITAji , who has realized the knowledge of GITAji. Sadhak Sanjeeni by Swami RamSukhdasji can definitely help you .......  
 
Shree Hari sharanam .......
-Anil Maini
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Hello all, this is my humble opinion. Regarding the experience of Geeta, many people think that if we get into spirituality..we may lose interest in life etc etc..but my opinion is, once u start reading and practising Geeta, you will become more aware of everythinga nd u will start enjoying the life to the fullest since you will not worry much about the fruits of ur actions (in a way, you do not expect anything but instead take everything in your stride.).
But again, some of the verses in geeta or any other veda or upanishad, we need to understand the subtle meanings properly otherwise, if we interpret the meaning other than what it is, then it will cause different feeling in oneself.
 
For example: people think that leaving all the life and renouncing the family and everything is renounciation. but if u observe closely the verses of Geeta, its mental renounciation that it mentions about and not at the physical level. Once way, its ok that u lost interest in car etc etc and now that means u know that the actual happiness does not lie in there. but again, its ok to enjoy each and everything too but at the mental level, youa re seeing the object/objects as they really are.
 
Also, please do not stress or force  yourself that you need to become spiritual etc etc..just do it as the love towards God or towards human beings or towards Spirituality and then, you will not worry much about what will happen if u lose interest in life etc etc. because you love to do whatever you are doing (either spirituality or anything..) so, why do u worry about anything what will happen in future at all. Have a nice evening.
Bharathi
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My view is very diff from most people. This is how I believe the Geeta state freedom from obsession about the result should be: You will enjoy driving your car more (not less) as you have no stress, tension, worry, etc. However when you do not have a car, you will be detached enough that you will not get frustrated, angry, or sad. You may be uncomfortable without the AC when you go by taxi, but you will not be complaining or be pissed off. Instead you may notice something else that will give you joy (maybe you will have a conversation with the taxi driver, maybe you will instead call your friend on your cell and forget the heat...)

I know that most people will not share this view. People shun material things, but material things are also made by God! Why is that Gita-followers think they should admire a flower and have in your house, but not admire beautiful Italian marble? Everything is made by God.

regards

Siddharth

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It is simply great that you hav esarted losing interest in things which keep
you attached to worldly pleasures, which are ephemeral. Many have been
trying for years, but not able to leave the atachment. You are on the right
path and keep practicing without worrying for the results . As you progress
further with your pursuits for achieving Higher Values of Life, everything
will become clear. Vaidyanathan

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Over the last year, I went through the same thing - I had a loss of zest for life, because I felt that there was no point to anything. That life was all predetermined, that we had little control and that we should exercise faith constantly and battle what ever is given to us. I also felt that I couldn't relate to people, not that I was above them, but rather that I didn't know what to say to anyone. All of this is a passing phase. You have to get through it to get past it and know there is an amazing beauty through the process and past the process. First, your cognizant you are going through it and next put your faith in god and know that you will move forward on to the next state that is meant for you. But, as often as you can do Namsmaran, the rest will fall into place. This whole process acted as a natural filter for me for what was core and essential to my life and what wasn't. Where I should NOT spend my time on a daily basis (not worrying) and where I should concentrate my efforts (helping others, gratitude, prayer). But again, go through it, know you are being led by the divine one himself, have full faith and make observations mentally or written down (whatever works). You will come to see so much in SO little time.

Hemal

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Is interest in worldly possessions is being subdued forcibly or naturally weakening
because of understanding the non necessity of them for life?
Does worldly pleasures and acquisitions lead to life or lead one away from life?
Is not the mind that is indulged in possession and accumulation of wealth so self centered that it is totally insensitive to everything, from the environment, to fellow beings, to the existence it self?
Is not such self-centered isolation, death itself?
Unfortunately in our commercial culture, life is measured by the money one has earned, but those who have seen the real nature of life, who have experienced the life as it is, know the beauty and joy of it, and know that there is nothing in the world, the possession of which is in any way necessary for the endless joy. The acquiring mind can never understand the beauty of natural and spontaneous renunciation which fills the life with the infinite joy and peace. Forced renunciation can be very dangerous, instead understanding the reasons why one is renouncing and understanding the mind obsessed with possessiveness and acquisition is very helpful. It comes with satsanga.
Forced renunciation in order to achieve some hypothetical end, whether it is God or Moksha or liberation is not renunciation at all, but a bargain.

It is also to be seen whether the ephermality of life has been seen or it is just a concept? If it has been observed, all the colours of it, all the pain and joy of it, then it is no longer idea, it will be reality and there will not be any question, there is no choice at all. However, if it is just an idea, unexamined and accepted from scriptures without understanding as it is, then it is still an idea, and subsequent problems.
Yogesh Katare

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OK i have not started reading the Gita yet but i notice that since i started pranayam (breathing) and trying to do yoga and reading sadhaka e-mails, I noticed the same thing and i think that it is a good thing and a bad thing ..because i noticed that when I'm around my friends that i really don't want to talk about what they talk about ( sports ,tv ,,, shows and girls ) It is like all this stuff is crazy ....our mind is always chasing afer something, ..... so I'll just say you started it now it is time that you finish it and don't be scared to fall out of the sky .....DeChef  >>>>>>>Parker>>>>>>

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nice pl note gita is for duty,activity and promote svadharma and get it into devotion that your period of life would be used for action without attachment to it much.

From: Prabhakar C L

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Jai SHri Krishna Its really nice to know that your reactions like anger have mellowed down, by practicing the teachings of Shrimad Bhagwad Gita. Please understand that following these teachings can NEVER harm you. It will for sure help you to achieve the ultimate goal of human life. ANd prorably quite quickly in your case. About your confusion and losing int. in various objects, pl. try to analyse your self how this has happened. Answer is there itself. May be you have misinterpreted some thing.

Krishna.lovesus

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Beautiful discussion, because these are real experiences.
 
I too went through the same phase. In fact I was worried what is becoming of me. I used to complain that there is too much focus on vairagya in our scriptures.
 
But over time, I have become more effective and enthusiastic and able to enjoy the moment a little better, because the mind is not preoccupied with thoughts and worries. I think doing meditation (or asan,pranayam + meditation) in parallel is usefull because sometimes these give you experiences of peace which now motivate you to work for these higher experiences.
 
Also, if I feel I had too much of dose, I do go out and be a little "worldly" for sometime and that is OK too.
 
Wish you all the best.

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