Wednesday, March 29, 2017

[gita-talk] Swamiji's Discourse on First Day of Ramayan Paath

 


॥ श्री हरि :॥ 

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रामायण पाठ का पहला दिन 

स्वामीजी का प्रवचन -  जरूर सुनिये 



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Thursday, March 23, 2017

[gita-talk] If God and His Ansh are not two, does it mean that there is only God (Paramatma) ?

 




God and His Ansh (His inseparable part, Ray of His consciousness) are not two (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu pg 11)
Does this means that there is only Parmatma (God) and there is nothing separate (apart) from Him ?  

Please explain,  
Humbly speaking
Sadhak  

कहा है : परमात्मा और परमात्माका अंश दो नहीं हैं। [सा.सु.सिंधु पृष्ठ 11 ]
क्या इसका अर्थ यह है कि परमात्मा ही है और उससे अलग कुछ भी नहीं है?
समझाइयेगा। 
सविनय,
साधक 

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Gitaji says -  
वासुदेवः सर्वमिति स महात्मा सुदुर्लभः ॥
                                                                    (गीता ७ । १९)
Vasudevah sarvamiti sa Mahaatmaa sudurlabhah."  (Gita 7:19)
"The man of realization, worships Me, realizing that all is God.  Such a great soul is very rare."  (Gita 7:19).
Yes, there is only God.... Jeev has assumed the existence of other besides God.
Ye Yedam Dhaaryate Jagat.
Or else there is ONLY VASUDEVA.

Meera Das, Ram Ram
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Numerical attributes such as one, two,3 etc are used only with solid things with well defined shapes. thus we say one stone, one mango etc. However we do not use numerical attributes to liquids and gases which have no definite shapes. Thus we do not say one water or one oxygen. Instead we say 3 kg or 5 molecules or 10 atoms of oxygen or air or water or whatever. God in contrast is ethereal with no physical body whatever and no shape or boundary and it is the height of absurdity to use numerical attributes in relation to gods and spirits and entities and it is even more absurd to debate on the numerical attributes of such gods and supernatural beings and it is the height of rabidness to shed blood over it. 

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[gita-talk] Please Clarify - In liberation does Jeevatama becomes Part of Paramatma ? i.e. Paramatma Swaroopa ?

 

Ram Ram



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Sorry, i shall be using english as i do not know Hindi typing...

जीवात्मा क्या है ?  जीव कब जीवात् मा होता है? जीव  कब आत्मा होता है?

When Jeev meets Ishwar ?? 
Does after MUKTI it becomes a part of Paramatama or Jeeva Atma swarupa remains? (like a drop of water becomes Sea after meeting it or Identity of Atma (me myself remains).. for example does it happens if someone is chanting Ram, does he/she attains Ram swarupa and Mix with Ram and other one if is chanting Shiva becomes Shiva Swarupa and Mix with Shiva... and so on...

Please Clarify. 

RAM RAM

Jai  P. Sharma  

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Sir Ram Ram
 
I thank you for your explanation.
But please consider me as one of the most idiot, sinful and Mooda person, who does not understand things understands easily and doubts on everybody.
 
I refer to following sloka in Chapter 4 (1)
इमं विवस्वते योगं प्रोक्तवानहमव्ययम् 
विवस्वान्मनवे प्राह मनुरिक्ष्वाकवेऽब्रवीत् ॥४-१॥
 
1.       As I understand, Shri Bhagwan gave the knowledge to his disciple Bhagwan Surya and Surya become perfect (Achieved Liberation and Now it does selfless service of Universe, without any expectation from anyone).  
"That means that Initially Surya was a conditional soul (like us) and due to mercy of Shri Bhagwan, he become perfect.
Now Surya is immortal. We can see Surya but not Shri Bhagwan ….with our eyes.
But ultimately Bhagwan is separate and Surya is separate (separate identities).   
2.       There are many instances I heard where Jiwa-atma merges with Parmatama examples (Kumbhkaran, Rawan, ग्राह (Gajendra Moksha).
So we are talking about two approaches.
1). God and His Ansh (His inseparable part, Ray of His consciousness) are not two
2). Jeeva and Brahama are two different identities and will remain separate (Surya and Shri Bhagwan).
Now I come back to my question. "When Jeev meets Ishwar ?? 
Does after MUKTI it becomes a part of Paramatama or Jeeva Atma swarupa remains? (like a drop of water becomes Sea after meeting it or Identity of Atma (me myself remains).. for example does it happens if someone is chanting Ram, does he/she attains Ram swarupa and Mix with Ram and other one if is chanting Shiva becomes Shiva Swarupa and Mix with Shiva... and so on...
 
What is the ultimate position of Jeeva?
Please clarify and forgive me for repeating it again, i only want to better understand it.

Best regards
Jai Prakash Sharma

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Our Paramatma Lord KRISHNA is the only God. Nobody else can
 become God.  All other Gods that are being worshipped in other religion
 and the demigods that includes Brahma, Siva are only messengers to
 Godhead Paramatma.   HE is 100% made of SOUL.  By virtue of this HE can
 keep expanding - Expanding Universe.   He can also become even smaller than
 an atom.  Having gained this knowledge that besides individual soul
 paramatma is also present in all living things Why Adi Sankara propagted
 Advida  philosophy till the end.  The other religious messengers  are
 also instead of making the people to understand the constitutional
 position of God they made people to worship them.  This has actually
 created Multi-religion and multi gods.   Finally I deduced that these
 messengers and our demigods had they been bestowed with Krishna
 consciouness these kind of multi religion would not be there.

 I am thankful to Paramatma for making me to write this.

with namaskaram
S.Vaidyanathan



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In the Srimad Bhagavad Gita,  the Lord says that this Jeev (embodied soul) is verily a part of Me only -

Mamaivaansho jeevaloke jeevabhootah sanaatanah |  
(Gita 15/7)
Meaning: An 'ansh', a ray of My consciousness, an inseparable part of Me only,  comes to this worldly plane and becomes an embodied soul (jeev).  

Swamiji says, jeev is already liberated, but only due to sense of mineness with the body and the world, we do not realize this truth. Otherwise, liberation is axiomatic and natural.

Sarita S

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Dear Sadhakas,
Hare Krishna.
This is in response to a question from a fellow Sadhaka regarding Jeevatma.
 Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita,
" Sarva dharman parityajya,
Mam ekam saranam vraja,
Aham tvam sarva papebhyo,
Mokshaisyami ma sucah."
   ( Gitaji, 18, 66)
which means,
' Abadon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall liberate you from all sinful reactions and do not fear.."

This is Vishistaadvaita. From this it is clear that we are the eternal servants of Lord Krishna.
we (Jeevatma) can not be Him , but we continue to serve Him in His Kingdom.
This is Vishistaadvaita philosophy and that is what Bhagavad Gita is all about.
Thank You.
Prasad A. Iragavarapu, MD

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आपने पूछा है : When jeev meets Ishwar?
उच्चस्तरीय प्रश्न है। 
साधक तो अभी तक यह समझ ही नहीं सका है कि जब एक वही है [गीता 7 : 19 ] और उससे अलग (different) कुछ नहीं था, कुछ नहीं है, कुछ नहीं होगा और कुछ नहीं हो सकता तब यह जीव (जो उससे अलग है) कहाँसे आ गया? आपको पता हो तो बताइयेगा। 
आप जीव को उससे (जिसे आप ईश्वर कह रहे हैं) अलग कैसे मान सके? सरल अंग्रेजीमें बताइयेगा। 
सविनय,
साधक 

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[gita-talk] How is it that the sentient Self become helpless in front of the insentient Mind ?

 




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बहुधा पढ़ा-सुना है : क्या करें कि भगवान् में मन लग जाय?
साधक जानना चाहता है कि क्या प्रश्नकर्ता समझता है : 
मन क्या है? 
मन कहाँ रहता है? 
मन लगनेका अर्थ क्या है? 
कहा है मन जड़ है फिर चेतन न होते हुए भी वह पलमें यहाँ (बहुत पास)
और पलमें वहाँ (बहुत दूर) कैसे पहुँच जाता है?
कहा है मन जड़ है फिर ऐसा कैसे हो सकता है कि स्वयं (जो चेतन है, परमात्माका अंश है) 
मनके आगे असहाय हो जाय कि भगवान् में लगाते हैं पर लगता ही नहीं?
समझाइयेगा। 
सविनय,
साधक 

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Studied a lot, heard a lot  :   What to do by which this mind can become engaged in God ?  Sadhak wishes to know what the questioner understands :
What is the mind ?  
Where does it reside ?   
What is the meaning of the mind becoming engaged  ?  
Though it has been said that the mind is insentient (jada),  i.e though not being sentient,  yet in a instant how does it come so very close, and in an instant goes so very far ?   
Though it has been said that the mind is insentient (jada),  then how is it possible that the 'self'  (which is sentient and an 'ansh' of Paramatma)  becomes helpless in front of the mind, that though trying to engage the mind in God,  it does not engage ?

please explain.  

HUmbly,  

Sadhak
  


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